Clients Who Want To Film Their Visit

[+ Avalon]

Ever have a client who wants to film their visit? What is your policy as an escort on picture taking?

[liubit]

Content may not be circulated on the Internet or other means of distribution.

Just curious, @Kurtis Wolfe. How do you control that? Honor code?

[+ kent]

If Kurtis did not sign a release, he has invasion-of-privacy-related possible causes of action

[+ VictorPowers]

I decline videos. I'll allow photos on occasion but not always.

[+ Avalon]

I would think filming might depend on whether the escort also does porn. He's already out there to the public.

[mike carey]

I would think filming might depend on whether the escort also does porn. He's already out there to the public.

Indeed, but an escort who does porn may want to protect that part of his business by not permitting, in effect amateur videos of him the possibility of circulating.

[+ Avalon]

Indeed, but an escort who does porn may want to protect that part of his business by not permitting, in effect amateur videos of him the possibility of circulating.

 

Understandable. Retired escort and porn model Aaron Lawrence said if a client wanted to film their encounter he doubled his hourly rate.

[+ VictorPowers]

Understandable. Retired escort and porn model Aaron Lawrence said if a client wanted to film their encounter he doubled his hourly rate.

Interesting tactic. However, if the client books half as often because they have the videos to use..

[big-n-tall]

I have a few working guys flat out offer to film things with me without me even asking. Some have said they would after I asking. Some are willing but cautious. All the rest say no. LOL!

 

I haven't done a full on sex tape, but I have filmed my hand doing things to a retired escort/porn actor (who has told me more than once he would like to try everything sexually with me ) and with a muscle guy. On a slight tangent, some guys have filmed themselves and sent me clips without me asking. I'm very much appreciative.

[TruthBTold]

If Kurtis did not sign a release, he has invasion-of-privacy-related possible causes of action

 

I would imagine it might not be smart for the person who is allowing the taping to argue that his right to privacy is being invaded. First, the person doing the taping might argue that he was only documenting a violation of state law. Also by allowing and acknowledging the setting up of equipment and then the subsequent act of sex waive any right to privacy (assuming no circulation on the internet or television). It might be exciting to do it but allowing a tape is just going to be a matter of trust (I think).

[+ WilliamM]

Understandable. Retired escort and porn model Aaron Lawrence said if a client wanted to film their encounter he doubled his hourly rate.

 

I have not seen Aaron Lawrence mentioned here for many years. I never hired him, but did meet his once. Does he still write books on escorting?

[+ Avalon]

I have not seen Aaron Lawrence mentioned here for many years. I never hired him, but did meet him once. Does he still write books on escorting?

 

I just tried to access his site but it has disappeared. He is completely out of the sex business.

[+ WilliamM]

I just tried to access his site but it has disappeared. He is completely out of the sex business.

 

I met him many years ago when he was selling one of his books.

 

Very surprised he was still giving advice. Not sure Aaron would do so well now that every almost is internet savvy.

[mike carey]

First, the person doing the taping might argue that he was only documenting a violation of state law.

Filming porn is not illegal. I have read arguments that filming an encounter means that it was pay-for-porn not pay-for-sex. If so, and it sounds like a reasonable interpretation of the law, that would make filming a defence against a charge rather than evidence of it.

[TruthBTold]

Filming porn is not illegal. I have read arguments that filming an encounter means that it was pay-for-porn not pay-for-sex. If so, and it sounds like a reasonable interpretation of the law, that would make filming a defence against a charge rather than evidence of it.

 

That's interesting. However, it seems that would mean that you could not participate in the sex act. However once you are fucking/sucking or whatever the second/third, etc. in the video and you admit to the prosecutor that you paid to participate I would think that a judge/jury could find that you paid to get sex that you also committed to film.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

That's interesting. However, it seems that would mean that you could not participate in the sex act. However once you are fucking/sucking or whatever the second/third, etc. in the video and you admit to the prosecutor that you paid to participate I would think that a judge/jury could find that you paid to get sex that you also committed to film.

I think it is legal to do porn movies and be the director and one if the actors at the same time, isn’t it?

If it is low budget, you can’t afford to pay 2 people for the job.

[TruthBTold]

I think it is legal to do porn movies and be the director and one if the actors at the same time, isn’t it? If it is low budget, you can’t afford to pay 2 people for the job.

 

I'm not sure. Most of the time I do not know what the fuck I am talking about. However (unless there has been court precedent about it) if I were a prosecutor and there was a law in my state making it illegal for a person to pay another person to have sex with him, then I would argue that the director/actor paid the other person to have sex with him regardless of whether he filmed it. The person is not being charged with filming a sex act, he is being charged with paying another person to have sex with him regardless of whether the act is filmed. That would be my angle but then again I can't imagine this has not been tested before but I am trying to think of movies where I know for sure that a director is also participating in the action.

[+ Avalon]

I think it is legal to do porn movies and be the director and one if the actors at the same time, isn’t it?

If it is low budget, you can’t afford to pay 2 people for the job.

 

Aaron Lawrence did that.

[+ 7829V]

I'm not sure. Most of the time I do not know what the fuck I am talking about. However (unless there has been court precedent about it) if I were a prosecutor and there was a law in my state making it illegal for a person to pay another person to have sex with him, then I would argue that the director/actor paid the other person to have sex with him regardless of whether he filmed it. The person is not being charged with filming a sex act, he is being charged with paying another person to have sex with him regardless of whether the act is filmed. That would be my angle but then again I can't imagine this has not been tested before but I am trying to think of movies where I know for sure that a director is also participating in the action.

The chaoesmen guy sometimes have sex with his "porn actors".

[+ Avalon]

I remember reading that George Duroy would have sex with his Belami models. Off camera of course!

[+ StLouisOct]

Criminal law isn't part of my legal practice, but I would tell anyone who hires a guy for sex in this country and wants to film the experience, that a charge of soliciting prostitution isn't going to be weaker - and the disclaimer seen on Rentmen profiles isn't going to provide a good defense (regardless of whether you film). That's not to be confused with a producer or director in the porn movie business who has sex with an actor.

[+ VictorPowers]

That's interesting. However, it seems that would mean that you could not participate in the sex act. However once you are fucking/sucking or whatever the second/third, etc. in the video and you admit to the prosecutor that you paid to participate I would think that a judge/jury could find that you paid to get sex that you also committed to film.

We need a case to rule in the favor of the "Filmer".. only then can we cite the case as a viable defense in the future!

[+ Avalon]

I find it strange that prostitution i.e. being paid for sex is illegal yet pornography i.e. being paid to perform sex in front of a camera is legal. Double standard!

[mike carey]

I find it strange that prostitution i.e. being paid for sex is illegal yet pornography i.e. being paid to perform sex in front of a camera is legal. Double standard!

Of course it's a double standard. Is that a surprise in America?

[TruthBTold]

We need a case to rule in the favor of the "Filmer".. only then can we cite the case as a viable defense in the future!

 

I find it strange that prostitution i.e. being paid for sex is illegal yet pornography i.e. being paid to perform sex in front of a camera is legal. Double standard!

 

I think it has to do with the person producing the video is protected under the First Amendment which protects artistic expression even if that expression is what we might define as "sex." The director is paying the actors to produce his "art." On the other hand, in the context that we were discussing a client pays an escort for sex and films that. I am not saying that they are not too far apart but I could certainly see how a prosecutor could draw the distinction. Therefore there would be no First Amendment protection.