Haggling with Escorts?

[+ azdr0710]

though I posted this in another recent "haggling" thread (yup, there has been more than one ), I'll put it here again, purely for the sake of levity......

 

[GeoMitch]

So if one is looking for just some cuddling, is it wrong to ask the escort if he would agree to a different, reduced, rate? I'd think some escorts might be agreeable to a reduced rate in such cases. After all, there's a lot more work on an escort's part to have his ass plowed for an hour, as opposed to just rolling around without penetration taking place.

[MikeyGMin]

So if one is looking for just some cuddling, is it wrong to ask the escort if he would agree to a different, reduced, rate? I'd think some escorts might be agreeable to a reduced rate in such cases. After all, there's a lot more work on an escort's part to have his ass plowed for an hour, as opposed to just rolling around without penetration taking place.

Yes. It sounds like the gay version of, "Really honey, I'll only put the tip in."

[BeHappy]

For me, anything resembling negotiating turns what I want to be an intimate, trusting encounter into a mercantile one driven by self-interest and creates the implicit mistrust where one party "wins" and the other "loses".

If I were a professional companion I imagine that being asked the question would feel vaguely insulting. I'd never think of asking my dentist to reduce his fee for rebuilding a problematic tooth - I'd look like a jackass.

I could not agree with this more!

I always pay more and then a tip!

Never repeat a match that was not right, but always get in front of the line of guys I do like!

Trust me they always remember clients that take care of them even after several months of not seeing them!

[+ Tygerscent]

Bottom line! As I client, I feel you should not haggle one bit. You rate is your rate. If someone wishes to haggle with you, it is a Red flag and is just wrong on many levels. I would not even respond to the email.

Right~? Imagine going into work and your boss comes up to you and says: "how about I pay you 1/3rd less than you normally earn but, you give me the same quality service I expect or better~? If you don't agree, you just won't work today~ Is that cool~?"

 

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[+ WhamIAm]

As a consumer, I find haggling kinda pointless and a buzzkill in this context. Dude's not a used car or a trinket at a crafts fair. He charges what he charges, if I'm interested enough I'll pay it. Some guys who might have me at $250 will lose me at $300. A few guys can get me to go above my (usual) max rate if they intrigue me enough. When you start wheeling and dealing, it winds up killing the buzz for one person or the other.

 

Question for escorts, though -- now that RM has done away with rate listings, my first instinct is to ask a guy his rate first before I start texting who i am, what I'm looking for, etc. (Part privacy, part not wanting to waste his or my time if he's beyond my usual limit, mostly lazy typist). If the first contact is "I really liked your page on RM and am coming to your town. Let me know your availability on Friday or Saturday and your rates for 1 or 2 hours and if it makes sense lets discuss details on maybe getting together", what impression does that leave you with? Are you glad I'm getting to one of the key decision points quickly? Do you find it brusque? Would you want to know more before you share rates?

[DMICS]

I'm still a newb when it comes to hiring but in my experiences so far I've never haggled pricing with an escort. If they're outside of my usual price range I'll just try to find someone else. I did come across a disappointing scenario recently...

 

I wanted to book these 2 guys who partner up as a duo sometimes. I contacted Guy #1 in late July asking the outcall rate if I booked as a duo, he quoted me $500 which was perfect. Sadly, I had friends pop up in town unannounced so the weekend I wanted to book the 2 guys I was tied up playing tour guide. Fast forward to this weekend being a holiday long weekend, I knew I wouldn't be doing much so I'll have a lot of free time. I contacted Guy #2 on Friday about scheduling solo and during our conversation I figured to see what the duo rate would be, he quoted me $650.

 

The natural reaction would be "well your friend quoted me a different price a few weeks ago" but I didn't think that would be cool to say, so I just left it alone. I should note Guy #1 increased his rate a little, which could be why. STILL....*shrugs*

[+ WhamIAm]

Just happened to stumble across this guy while window shopping. As I read it, he seems to be inviting rate negotiation --

 

https://rent.men/GraysonDanielz

 

Different strokes, but not sure an a la carte menu works for me in this context.

[Populist Fury]

A la carte guys are the worst. I avoid them like the plague!

 

He's also a lifestyle conservative with an open mind (whatever that means), and a SciFi geek, even worse. Not even interesting looking, just some average looking guy you can run into everyday at the mall lol.

[Bearofdistinction]

How appropriate do you think it is to haggle with escorts on their rate?

 

I've been talking with a client and everything has been normal. Now the day before our meeting, he's said he wants to hire another escort and then pay us both half our rates or some kind of discount like that. To my knowledge, he's not found anyone who would agree to that and he doesn't expect any change in my services.

 

I've said yes to people who asked if I could accept less because they couldn't afford my rate, but this just seems like the guy can pay, but wants to be difficult.

 

I feel it's somewhat rude because I wouldn't give a lower quality service (use my phone during our time, give lazy/half-hearted attention), so why expect some large discount?

 

Anyways, I'm interested in everyone's opinions on this sort of thing. Is this a common practice for some?

[Bearofdistinction]

How appropriate do you think it is to haggle with escorts on their rate?

 

I've been talking with a client and everything has been normal. Now the day before our meeting, he's said he wants to hire another escort and then pay us both half our rates or some kind of discount like that. To my knowledge, he's not found anyone who would agree to that and he doesn't expect any change in my services.

 

I've said yes to people who asked if I could accept less because they couldn't afford my rate, but this just seems like the guy can pay, but wants to be difficult.

 

I feel it's somewhat rude because I wouldn't give a lower quality service (use my phone during our time, give lazy/half-hearted attention), so why expect some large discount?

 

Anyways, I'm interested in everyone's opinions on this sort of thing. Is this a common practice for some?

 

Were I in your position my response would be something akin to

 

"Thank you for your interest - but since I always share 100% of myself I am unwilling to prorate my involvement and deny both of us what would have otherwise been an amazing experience. Good luck in your search . . . Bye Now!"

[MikeyGMin]

A la carte guys are the worst. I avoid them like the plague!

 

He's also a lifestyle conservative with an open mind (whatever that means), and a SciFi geek, even worse. Not even interesting looking, just some average looking guy you can run into everyday at the mall lol.

Different strokes I guess. I've actually met Gray and find him much better than average looking. He's smart and interesting, and yes, has some usually conservative points of view for an escort. Didn't bother me a bit. He's also constantly tweaking his ad and this just looks like the latest thing he is trying.

[+ WhamIAm]

A la carte guys are the worst. I avoid them like the plague!

 

He's also a lifestyle conservative with an open mind (whatever that means), and a SciFi geek, even worse. Not even interesting looking, just some average looking guy you can run into everyday at the mall lol.

 

I like the whole sci-fi geek thing. "Straight" is a deal breaker for me. Thinking about it though, I could see where if he identifies as "straight" and has limits on what he'll do, a la carte pricing might make sense to him -- extra $X to go this far, extra $Y to go that far. To each their own.

[+ harey]

I accidentally haggled once with an escort when he quoted me an astronomical sum in a text. The amount was so high, I thought he was joking so I answered back instead of moving on immediately. I eventually said no thanks...then a couple hours later he contacted me again with a normal rate. We were both happy with the meeting.

 

In my experience, the escorts who want to haggle are less reliable and trustworthy. And as a client, I would never haggle or ask for a discounted rate. That's so disrespectful in my opinion. If I wanted to call someone an overpriced whore, I'd just come out and say it.

[+ Billsboy4]

In the words of the late Joan Rivers: Ya don't know, if ya don't ask!

[Pulgasari1991]

Question for escorts, though -- now that RM has done away with rate listings, my first instinct is to ask a guy his rate first before I start texting who i am, what I'm looking for, etc. (Part privacy, part not wanting to waste his or my time if he's beyond my usual limit, mostly lazy typist). If the first contact is "I really liked your page on RM and am coming to your town. Let me know your availability on Friday or Saturday and your rates for 1 or 2 hours and if it makes sense lets discuss details on maybe getting together", what impression does that leave you with? Are you glad I'm getting to one of the key decision points quickly? Do you find it brusque? Would you want to know more before you share rates?

I would like that; but I'd also want to know more about activities. For example, "overnight with sleep and vanilla" is a lot different from "overnight awake in long roleplay session". Also, that's not telling everything about you, but it does tell something.

[KennF]

Right~? Imagine going into work and your boss comes up to you and says: "how about I pay you 1/3rd less than you normally earn but, you give me the same quality service I expect or better~? If you don't agree, you just won't work today~ Is that cool~?"

 

This is not a great analogy. First your case, you're employed regularly by 'the boss'. Which means the rate was agreed upon before hand.

 

A more accurate analogy would be that you are being interviewed as a candidate for the job. And the hiring manager says, "about your salary, we'd be willing to pay $X for these services." Now they've made you an offer and you get to decided yes or no.

[+ tristanbaldwin]

I've deviated my rates heavily depending on the type of play involved(truly vanilla stuff like foot play), and also even the time of day....if a client is willing to go for a morning session, be taking HIS time off work through comp time or sick time or whatever....generally going out of his way to end up putting nickels in my pocket- then I feel the least I can do is show my appreciation in kind.

 

Other escorts might blast me in PMs(as some have done) for 'compromising' or 'low balling' in their opinion. I believe there's a fair price for everything, and I think some of these guys with average-ish bodies are in another galaxy when they're quoting 3o0-400 with no reputation or credits to back it. Quote a fair price, always go far longer then the time quoted without charging(I.E. under promise and over deliver), make accommodations for the guys who are flexible with schedules and also vanilla play, and guess what....your dance card will stay full. #FACT

 

But what do I know, I'm just a Polock from the woods..

[KennF]

I've deviated my rates heavily depending on the type of play involved(truly vanilla stuff like foot play), and also even the time of day....if a client is willing to go for a morning session, be taking HIS time off work through comp time or sick time or whatever....generally going out of his way to end up putting nickels in my pocket- then I feel the least I can do is show my appreciation in kind.

 

Other escorts might blast me in PMs(as some have done) for 'compromising' or 'low balling' in their opinion. I believe there's a fair price for everything, and I think some of these guys with average-ish bodies are in another galaxy when they're quoting 3o0-400 with no reputation or credits to back it. Quote a fair price, always go far longer then the time quoted without charging(I.E. under promise and over deliver), make accommodations for the guys who are flexible with schedules and also vanilla play, and guess what....your dance card will stay full. #FACT

 

But what do I know, I'm just a Polock from the woods..

 

If they blast you for your style, that means you may have a competitive advantage. They aren't losing clients that would go to them. So, if you want them, then kudos for you.

[TopTierTop]

How appropriate do you think it is to haggle with escorts on their rate?

 

I've been talking with a client and everything has been normal. Now the day before our meeting, he's said he wants to hire another escort and then pay us both half our rates or some kind of discount like that. To my knowledge, he's not found anyone who would agree to that and he doesn't expect any change in my services.

 

I've said yes to people who asked if I could accept less because they couldn't afford my rate, but this just seems like the guy can pay, but wants to be difficult.

 

I feel it's somewhat rude because I wouldn't give a lower quality service (use my phone during our time, give lazy/half-hearted attention), so why expect some large discount?

 

Anyways, I'm interested in everyone's opinions on this sort of thing. Is this a common practice for some?

No. Never. Not for me. Only I set my rates. I never give less than I am getting paid to give, so there is no reason to accept less than what I ask. Also, I do everything I can not to take clients who are not really in a financial position to be splurging on these types of luxuries. If they balk at my rate, I really wouldn't want to take any of their money. That said, I only speak for myself and my business model.

[TopTierTop]

I've deviated my rates heavily depending on the type of play involved(truly vanilla stuff like foot play), and also even the time of day....if a client is willing to go for a morning session, be taking HIS time off work through comp time or sick time or whatever....generally going out of his way to end up putting nickels in my pocket- then I feel the least I can do is show my appreciation in kind.

 

Other escorts might blast me in PMs(as some have done) for 'compromising' or 'low balling' in their opinion. I believe there's a fair price for everything, and I think some of these guys with average-ish bodies are in another galaxy when they're quoting 3o0-400 with no reputation or credits to back it. Quote a fair price, always go far longer then the time quoted without charging(I.E. under promise and over deliver), make accommodations for the guys who are flexible with schedules and also vanilla play, and guess what....your dance card will stay full. #FACT

 

But what do I know, I'm just a Polock from the woods..

Nobody should blast you for how you choose to approach these matters. As far as I am concerned, it is a totally individual choice, and we each have to make our own.

[+ Keith30309]

I've deviated my rates heavily depending on the type of play involved(truly vanilla stuff like foot play), and also even the time of day....if a client is willing to go for a morning session, be taking HIS time off work through comp time or sick time or whatever....generally going out of his way to end up putting nickels in my pocket- then I feel the least I can do is show my appreciation in kind.

 

Other escorts might blast me in PMs(as some have done) for 'compromising' or 'low balling' in their opinion. I believe there's a fair price for everything, and I think some of these guys with average-ish bodies are in another galaxy when they're quoting 3o0-400 with no reputation or credits to back it. Quote a fair price, always go far longer then the time quoted without charging(I.E. under promise and over deliver), make accommodations for the guys who are flexible with schedules and also vanilla play, and guess what....your dance card will stay full. #FACT

 

But what do I know, I'm just a Polock from the woods..

I love the "under promise over deliver" mindset!

 

Do you make potential clients aware in advance of their options that affect the rate? If I've flexibility in my schedule, for example, and can meet in the morning then I'd be inclined to ask for that if I'm aware there are tiered rates and it makes life easier for everyone. Likewise, if I'm a really vanilla, easy (whatever that means) client then how do I know that there is a differentiated cost?

How do you avoid getting into a Chinese menu, add-to-shopping-cart situation of itemizing the client experience?

 

There's another element that this discussion brings to light: there are two sides to the equation. If I'm a pain in the neck, high maintenance client then it's only fair that I bear the burden of that. If I enjoy asking someone to shave their head and wear my grandmother's wedding gown it should cost me more than the pleasant client that just wants to go out for a nice steak dinner. I wonder what would happen if clients were aware that expectations and demeanor affected cost.

 

This begins to become a little uncomfortable to me because it feels a little like a slippery slope to a mercantile model and, when emotions become involved, could disrupt the warm & fuzzy emotional experience.

[Stuysavage]

I don't understand the haggling concept for the services that are provided here. I am primarily a massage customer and the last thing I want the masseur to feel is any type of negativity by me reducing his fee. In my business I negotiate if i feel i am being charged too much. This is not a business transaction. These are human beings providing a very personal service. If it looks too high or you cannot afford it, don't engage him. His fee is his fee. And BTW, let's say a fee is $250. Where are you going from there? Does someone really need to chew him down by $20 or $40?

 

On the flip side of this, I leave generous tips if I feel they really put great effort in. I have found that when I leave a nice tip, the next time we meet, the masseur is happy to see me which in turn works in my favor.

[mike carey]

This begins to become a little uncomfortable to me because it feels a little like a slippery slope to a mercantile model and, when emotions become involved, could disrupt the warm & fuzzy emotional experience.

I suspect that the mercantilist tendency would be one of the things that would result in TB placing the perpetrator in the 'difficult client' category and not engaging in any negotiation on rates. I doubt he flags his willingness to consider different rates in different circumstances up front, but why would he? A new client is a new client. They propose a time and conditions, you tell them your rate. You don't need to tell them why it is the rate. I read his comments as saying that once you were a client he would vary his rate depending on when you met him and what you wanted. That said, I'm not him, I may be misreading the situation entirely.

[+ Tygerscent]

This is not a great analogy. First your case, you're employed regularly by 'the boss'. Which means the rate was agreed upon before hand.

 

A more accurate analogy would be that you are being interviewed as a candidate for the job. And the hiring manager says, "about your salary, we'd be willing to pay $X for these services." Now they've made you an offer and you get to decided yes or no.

That's not the case though~ Many Escorts have set wages... Prior to recent changes, those dates were posted on their profiles/websites... Some still have that~

Additionally, Escorts can and do have regular Clients... I've had some for as long as 17yrs~ So, it's not a new employment situation that Escorts in this scenario are being somehow interviewed for~

Being entrepreneurial, Escorts are their own "Boss" and the Clients are their Clients, not their boss~

Clients are to be respected and treated fairly but, in reality, Clients are customers... not the bosses and they also need to respect the service provider~

Again, as I mentioned earlier... Vacillating rates created an inequity/disrespect to Clients, (unfair that some get discounts and others don't)...

 

Tyger~

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