Pricing on Rent.Men

[Simeonh]

I had been away for some time, and when I returned to Rent.Men I noticed that they no longer provide information about charges and whether an escort provides incalls or only outcalls. While a few escorts do provide this information in their "About Me," most do not. I had found that information for useful (since I cannot do outcalls). Has this been discussed here? I wondered if it had something to do with the fate of Rentboy.

[Gar1eth]

I had been away for some time, and when I returned to Rent.Men I noticed that they no longer provide information about charges and whether an escort provides incalls or only outcalls. While a few escorts do provide this information in their "About Me," most do not. I had found that information for useful (since I cannot do outcalls). Has this been discussed here? I wondered if it had something to do with the fate of Rentboy.

It's been discussed within the last week or so. I don't know what the thread is titled. But you can probably search for it using Rentmen and fees for search terms.

 

Gman

[Kevin Slater]

It's been discussed within the last week or so. I don't know what the thread is titled. But you can probably search for it using Rentmen and fees for search terms.

 

Gman

 

Take your pick. I think there were 47 threads at last count.

 

Kevin Slater

[Despardo]

I had been away for some time, and when I returned to Rent.Men I noticed that they no longer provide information about charges and whether an escort provides incalls or only outcalls. While a few escorts do provide this information in their "About Me," most do not. I had found that information for useful (since I cannot do outcalls). Has this been discussed here? I wondered if it had something to do with the fate of Rentboy.

I suspect Rentboy had a lot to do with the recent changes which are inconvenient to say the least. Could be worse. One will just have to resort to emailing the escorts for more information. I imagine it will be a burden for the escorts as well.

[dcbbvers]

It will be interesting to see what effect the lack of pricing transparency has on the market. Perhaps some real bargains or maybe prices will increase.

[AndyDandy]

I suspect Rentboy had a lot to do with the recent changes which are inconvenient to say the least. Could be worse. One will just have to resort to emailing the escorts for more information. I imagine it will be a burden for the escorts as well.

 

I think it is already a burden for the escorts. I've witnessed it this week when asking for pricing. It sucks for all of us.

[+ quoththeraven]

Take your pick. I think there were 47 threads at last count.

 

Kevin Slater

An exaggeration, but not by much, it seems.

 

As for the effect of Rentboy, someone had this to say:

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rentmen-donations-fees-gone.127418/#post-1340932

 

(Yes, that someone was me.)

[rvwnsd]

Take your pick. I think there were 47 threads at last count.

 

Kevin Slater

48 including this one.

[Scottson]

They are under pressure now and may be closed down like Rentboy.com. They already changed their name from Rentmen.com into Rentmen.eu, renamed escorts into "pirnstars", hide rates, etc...

But the good thing is they are still alive

[Gar1eth]

They are under pressure now and may be closed down like Rentboy.com. They already changed their name from Rentmen.com into Rentmen.eu, renamed escorts into "pirnstars", hide rates, etc...

But the good thing is they are still alive

 

Reportedly their servers aren't in the United States. So if that's true, and advertising like this is legal where the servers are, then in my non-legal mind, it seems they should be fairly safe as long as they don't have any assets to be seized in the United States.

 

Gman

[Gar1eth]

Take your pick. I think there were 47 threads at last count.

 

Kevin Slater

 

48 including this one.

 

Thank you for once again telling it 'like it is' @rvwnsd!!

 

Gman

[+ quoththeraven]

Reportedly their servers aren't in the United States. So if that's true, and advertising like this is legal where the servers are, then in my non-legal mind, it seems they should be fairly safe as long as they don't have any assets to be seized in the United States.

 

Gman

And as long as no one who owns or works for the company visits or lives in the US and what is advertised is legal where the company is managed, which may or may not be where the servers are located. It's not completely cut and dried, but even temporary US presence could expose them to the risk of arrest or detention.

[Scottson]

They are under pressure now and may be closed down like Rentboy.com. They do their best to avoid it: became Rentmen.eu instead of Rentmen.com, renamed all the escorts into "pornstars", started to hide rates, etc.

[Gar1eth]

And as long as no one who owns or works for the company visits or lives in the US and what is advertised is legal where the company is managed, which may or may not be where the servers are located. It's not completely cut and dried, but even temporary US presence could expose them to the risk of arrest or detention.

@quoththeraven I'd like to ask you a few more questions. I realize this may not be your area. But your guesses are going to be a lot more knowledgeable than mine.

 

So let's take the website Sleepy Boy https://www.sleepyboy.com/index.php.

 

The website advertises escorts, but that's legal in the U.K. And let's assume that their servers are also located in the U.K., all their escorts are in the U.K. (or another country where escorting is legal), and that all their assets are in the U.K.

 

Are you saying that if the CEO of the website-the Sleepyboy equivalent of Rentboy's Jeffery Hurant-came on a completely work-free vacation to the United States, he could be arrested?

 

(I hope this doesn't sound argumentative-it kind of does when I read it in my mind. It's not meant to. I'm very interested in your legal views on the matter)

 

 

Gman

[+ Keith30309]

Perhaps the distinction is that Sleepyboy, based on my careful, repeated scrutiny doesn't contain any references to any potential meetings on US soil - I.e., there is no potential "crime".

Conversely RM is largely based on meetings which would occur in the US and therefore potential "crimes". I think ?

[+ quoththeraven]

@quoththeraven I'd like to ask you a few more questions. I realize this may not be your area. But your guesses are going to be a lot more knowledgeable than mine.

 

So let's take the website Sleepy Boy https://www.sleepyboy.com/index.php.

 

The website advertises escorts, but that's legal in the U.K. And let's assume that their servers are also located in the U.K., all their escorts are in the U.K. (or another country where escorting is legal), and that all their assets are in the U.K.

 

Are you saying that if the CEO of the website-the Sleepyboy equivalent of Rentboy's Jeffery Hurant-came on a completely work-free vacation to the United States, he could be arrested?

 

(I hope this doesn't sound argumentative-it kind of does when I read it in my mind. It's not meant to. I'm very interested in your legal views on the matter)

 

 

Gman

I was going to ask the same question as Keith. Do any escorts located in the US and doing business in the US advertise on it, or are the advertisers all UK-based? (And "legal in the UK" isn't entirely accurate either; IIRC, that's not accurate about Northern Ireland, and I'm not sure about Scotland and Wales.)

 

Rentmen's dilemma stems from hosting ads from providers based in and doing business in the US, which means Rentmen itself is also doing business in the US (at least arguably), thus subjecting it to US law.

[Gar1eth]

I was going to ask the same question as Keith. Do any escorts located in the US and doing business in the US advertise on it, or are the advertisers all UK-based? (And "legal in the UK" isn't entirely accurate either; IIRC, that's not accurate about Northern Ireland, and I'm not sure about Scotland and Wales.)

 

Rentmen's dilemma stems from hosting ads from providers based in and doing business in the US, which means Rentmen itself is also doing business in the US (at least arguably), thus subjecting it to US law.

 

Thank you. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

 

Gman

[+ saminseattle]

Take your pick. I think there were 47 threads at last count.

 

Kevin Slater

 

Actually, by my count, there have only been 11 threads on the topic, but I admit I might be missing a couple:

 

8-7-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rentmen-eu.127060/

 

8-9-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rent-men-escort-rates-not-visible-today.127115/

 

8-9-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rent-men-change-in-ads.127116/

 

8-9-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/regarding-the-new-rm-listing-protocols.127128/

 

8-12-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/prices-on-rentmen.127216/

 

8-14-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rentmen-this-may-not-a-new-threat.127289/

 

8-18-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rentmen-donations-fees-gone.127418/

 

8-19-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rentmen-prices-appear-on-phone-app.127424/

 

8-21-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rent-men-why-cant-i-post-my-rates.127508/

 

8-23-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/pricing-on-rent-men.127577/

 

8-24-17: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/has-rm-taken-out-rates.127617/

 

Anyway, I am thinking of adding my own to the mix, but I need to get my thoughts together first, so I can minimize the duplication **

 

**9-2-17 Edit: So, I did go ahead and create a thread that touches on the RM rate issue: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/practical-tips-for-a-new-era.127777/ Feel free to comment if you’ve got ideas.

[Good Grief]

47 or 11. Good Grief anyway.

 

Thanks to @saminseattle for the listing ...

[+ Tygerscent]

Yes… So many sites are becoming nervous and feel that they might fall victim to the scrutiny of current political climate's~ A sort of global cooling occurring along the civil rights horizon.

When somebody sends an inquiry to me or it shows in my emails that somebody has looked at my profile, I send them a courtesy note that includes my fee schedule. That's seems to be helpful and saves both sides a lot of time and confusion.

Men4rentnow.com has become an almost impossible site to work with these days. The epitomy of "political victim fear", I had to change my ad more than seven times because it contained words like: "suit", "write our own romance novel", "conscientious of your needs"...

No nudity allowed. No rates allowed on your ad.

Basically giving up your constitutional "freedom of speech" right as well as unintentionally supporting a view that Escorting and Prostitution are the same thing and legally eligible for prosecution as such~

I've all but abandoned using that site but, it was good to me for many years while developing my career~

 

Tyger~

Tygerkink@yahoo.com

971.400.2633 (phone calls must be scheduled in advance thru texting or email. thx)

https://rent.men/AAATygerscentXXX

http://www.daddysreviews.com/venue/usa/oregon/tyger_portland

[+ Tygerscent]

They are under pressure now and may be closed down like Rentboy.com. They do their best to avoid it: became Rentmen.eu instead of Rentmen.com, renamed all the escorts into "pornstars", started to hide rates, etc.

Why are we letting people restrict our constitutional rights via pressure of persecution and prosecution… When what should really be happening is stepping forward and pushing legislation to make it legal… Not just prostitution but, prostitution and escorting collectively~ ...( and there is a difference between escorting and prostitution ).

The laws placed into motion against prostitution in the United States did so to prevent human trafficking.

Escort sites do not promote human trafficking when it is the individual marketing themselves as an escort who is hired for their time… The service they are offering is there time.

Of the many services that I offer as an escort some of them include being a medical advocate for my clients, a pruning and landscape specialist, a tour guide, and adventure guide, a vacation coordinator, the counselor, a companion for travel as well as a companion for emotional psychological and spiritual comfort… I have let a number of people through the process of "renewal" ( those who know me have some idea of my renewals).

When I am hired for 24 hours, 48 hours, two weeks, two months, there are all kinds of things involved, none of which are human trafficking or payment specifically for sexual acts.

Well I understand the basic fear that the political climate suggestively imposes on businesses and people in general, my own personal opinion is that succumbing to them is dangerous to the human populous in that it allows us to be manipulated by fear and silences are basic civil and human rights without just cause.

Perhaps it would be better if the sites operated as they have always operated and when they come under pressure by repressive/impressive discriminating paradigms, we need to collectively come forward and publicly to resist… To hold our ground… To retain our freedom~

It's almost as if we were waking back into the closet again and giving the closet door key to bullying fascists~

I support legalization, group benefits including health insurance and regular STI screening of Professionals, retirement plans and paying taxes as any other professional does~

Why is fear and oppression an okay option~?

 

Tyger~

Tygerkink@yahoo.com

971.400.2633 (phone calls must be scheduled in advance thru texting or email. thx)

https://rent.men/AAATygerscentXXX

http://www.daddysreviews.com/venue/usa/oregon/tyger_portland

[+ saminseattle]

Well I understand the basic fear that the political climate suggestively imposes on businesses and people in general, my own personal opinion is that succumbing to them is dangerous to the human populous in that it allows us to be manipulated by fear and silences are basic civil and human rights without just cause.

Perhaps it would be better if the sites operated as they have always operated and when they come under pressure by repressive/impressive discriminating paradigms, we need to collectively come forward and publicly to resist… To hold our ground… To retain our freedom~

It's almost as if we were waking back into the closet again and giving the closet door key to bullying fascists~

 

I think your points are insightful and your use of the word “fascists” is not hyperbole. The answer for why people do not speak out publicly and resist as oppressive forces gain a foothold is the same reason that fascists have always come to power: it takes courage to speak out against them and their simplistic appeals to popular prejudice; remaining silent seems less risky and simply easier, and people often take the easy path. Yet, as Edmond Burke once said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

 

Still, we live in the world that is, not the world that ought to be. People who have much to lose by speaking out publically will understandably be reluctant to do so. There are still ways to resist, but they usually involve evading the authorities rather than directly confronting them. I mentioned in another thread that people have long found ways to connect with each other despite official bans and persecution. https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/practical-tips-for-a-new-era.127777/ My thread analogized to religious minorities, political dissidents, and the drug trade, but your analogy to the The Closet is probably the most apt comparison.

 

Decades ago, virtually all gay people were closeted. There was tremendous social stigma, and it was even a crime to have gay sex. People could lose their jobs, their friends, and their families if their “secret” was discovered. Gay people would furtively meet each other in dingy bars, run by the mob and partially protected by payoffs to the police. There were occasional raids and crackdowns and exercises in public humiliation to keep people in line. But it was only peoples’ collective fear that kept the institution of The Closet intact. Once a critical mass of people had the courage to come out and anti-sodomy laws began to be repealed, a momentum started to develop. Relatively safe urban areas arose, stigma began to decline, people came out in increasing numbers and formed their own social networks and support systems; they were able to organize politically. There was a snowball effect: the more people came out, the more other people felt that they could come out too. And now, about 40 years later, we have more or less full legal equality in this country, most gay people feel free to be out, and it is those seeking to retain their anti-gay prejudices that are stigmatized.

 

So, the question in the current context is how to get to that critical mass that will allow the snowball to build momentum? I’m sure there have been many threads on this, but I only seem to be able to find a couple at the moment:

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/do-more-escorts-need-to-come-out.111597/

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/followup-on-amnesty-internationals-call-for-decriminalization.113549/

 

I'm sure there are more ideas out there, so let's keep the discussion going.

[kewtex]

I think your points are insightful and your use of the word “fascists” is not hyperbole. The answer for why people do not speak out publicly and resist as oppressive forces gain a foothold is the same reason that fascists have always come to power: it takes courage to speak out against them and their simplistic appeals to popular prejudice; remaining silent seems less risky and simply easier, and people often take the easy path. Yet, as Edmond Burke once said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

 

Let me know when you're ready top start protesting in the streets over the removal of rates from the RM site, and I'll come join you. I dislike escort rates falling into the category of, "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."

[dc_billm]

I discovered 2 days ago that the rates are now being shown on RentMen, but only if you use RentMen apps for Windows and Android. I'm not sure if the iPhone app shows the rates since I don't own an iPhone. The rates, at least in the US, do not show if you are using a browser to get to RentMen.