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[Boy w the Phoenix Tattoo]

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[+ José Soplanucas]

I've been doing this for a little over a year now and have mostly charged flat fees to my clients: where an incall is X amount of money regardless of time spent, and so on. As I've been expanding to other websites I noticed that the majority of people charge hourly. I was wondering, which do clients prefer? What are the pros and cons of either?

 

First time I heard of this business model. Who decides when time is up? How is the decision made?

[+ José Soplanucas]

I mean, that's the thing: I've mostly just charged for the encounter, regardless of how long it takes. I have a small group of returning clients, probably because there aren't many trans men in the area, so the model has been working so far.

 

As I've expanded though, it's become less economically feasible to spend several hours with someone paying me a flat fee when I could be servicing multiple clients who only want an hour or two.

 

I understood perfectly the first time. I still do not understand how such a model would work, I insist in my questions posted previously.

 

Of course you need to switch to the standard hourly based model, one of the few standards in this industry (the only one?). I guess you can arrange discounts for multiple hours with your regulars.

[+ Keith30309]

You could move to a sliding scale of a market-realistic rate for the first hour and then reduced rate for successive hours.

I would recommend grandfathering in your established regulars under the current flat rate.

[nynakedtop]

i recall a recent hire.... we chatted a bit and ran over, about 20 minutes. he wanted to up the fee.

 

i never contacted him again.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I mean, the short answer is: I didn't know better and it worked for me at the time, so I just kept doing it.

 

I wish I could get that arrangement. I can be fucking for hours.

[+ José Soplanucas]

A part of me now wonders if my clients felt the same thing, so nobody tipped me off to the fact that I should be charging hourly. I do like my clients, though, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Don't give them that benefit, it is good to be realistic. As a client, I wonder what I would do if a hottie gives me that offer.

OK, let's try giving them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps they thought you were into them and were making a special arrangement for them because you find them attractive?

[+ José Soplanucas]

I mean, do you want the long or short story of how I became an escort? Hahah.

 

I don't mind working with clients if they have budget restraints. This isn't all I do, so I'm not hard pressed to charge top dollar if a client can't afford it. At the same time, I do do a lot, and it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that I can be spending my time more prudently.

 

But I also just like what I do. I like the services I provide. So, more fool I for not knowing how to market myself!

 

 

I think I understand your situation. Thank you for your willingness to explain yourself.

[nynakedtop]

I mean, do you want the long or short story of how I became an escort? Hahah.

 

I don't mind working with clients if they have budget restraints. This isn't all I do, so I'm not hard pressed to charge top dollar if a client can't afford it. At the same time, I do do a lot, and it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that I can be spending my time more prudently.

 

But I also just like what I do. I like the services I provide. So, more fool I for not knowing how to market myself!

i think the guiding principle should be: case by case....

[Mydavid]

I mean, that's the thing: I've mostly just charged for the encounter, regardless of how long it takes. I have a small group of returning clients, probably because there aren't many trans men in the area, so the model has been working so far.

 

As I've expanded though, it's become less economically feasible to spend several hours with someone paying me a flat fee when I could be servicing multiple clients who only want an hour or two.

You mean you charge the same for an hour and overnight?

[Mydavid]

Oh no! I mean I'd set a flat rate for a typical encounter, incall or outcall, regardless of time spent together. I've only just started doing overnight, so that's new territory for me.

But at least you mean one hour and three hours are the same price, right?

[mike carey]

My 2 cents worth. I have seen some escorts advertise their rate as being for a session which they then define as, for example, up to two hours. Without putting words into their mouths I suspect that they do not set an alarm at the 120 minute mark. I agree with @Keith30309's comment that if you change you could grandfather your existing clients. A key point on how you might go about moving to a time based fee is how long your typical meeting is now. It it's about 2 hours, the change would be seamless, and if you only have one or two clients with whom you spend more time it's no big deal if you don't change how you charge them. Good luck in working through this.

[Mydavid]

I learned a new idiom again!

Grandfather sb./sth. in

I never knew grandfather could be a verb.

[LaffingBear]

From a client's consumer perspective, I expect a session to be an hour.

 

I'm attentive to when it runs longer. If I've caused it to run longer, I tip accordingly. If he's caused it to run longer for reasons entirely unrelated, I figure that's his decision.

 

If I wanted 2-3 hours, I guess I'd say so.... it's never happened. I followed escorts' lead for overnights, with them telling me its 12 hours, and also "days" being 24 hours. I've seen ads (or postings?) where guys say their overnight is last appointment of night, 11ish, and they depart in the morning.

 

More to the point of this thread... I'd become leery if an escort advertised or explained to me the fee is for a session, because that's imprecise. He might bolt at 20 minutes.

 

You could try to say "my fee is $xxxx per session, and its a minimum of one hour" but you open yourself to somebody who keeps you around much much longer. You could advertise ranges $xxx for 1-2 hours" but thats probably bad business, and greedy guys are always going to consume the max.

 

My recommendation... charge by the hour, but dont be a clock watcher. If the session runs over 10-20 minutes, it shouldnt be a problem.

 

I always hated the idea that my one-hour hire was watching the clock. I'd welcome him to my hotel room, and as we headed for the bed, I set the sleep timer for music on the clock radio. The clock radios' timers of that era always maxed out at one hour. So i knew, if the music was over, so was the session. Sometimes I told the escort, sometimes I just did it. When I told them, most liked the idea.

[+ purplekow]

I went to a brothel outside the US. After selecting a partner, one paid at a window. I made a diligent search and then went to the window to pay. I checked with the escort and at the window to insure that the payment was for an hour.

Both agreed. My plan was to come twice during the encounter. Things went well and after about 30 minutes I came for the first time. I relaxed for a minute and was soon ready to go again. The escort had gone to clean up but refused to come back to bed. We became involved in a discussion which became heated and then security entered the picture. My conversation with them became heated as well and I was eventually physically removed from the premises. I was told: "You Come You Go". Seems as though the OP could use that model if he did not wish to charge by the hour.

[+ purplekow]

That is decidedly impersonal and not my style. Sorry you had that experience. :\

I agree that is is impersonal, but the main issue for me was that what was promised was not provided. As long as you are clear up front what your policies are, your clients will adjust or they will opt out.

[LaffingBear]

I was told: "You Come You Go". Seems as though the OP could use that model if he did not wish to charge by the hour.

If you search the board, you'll find several examples of this "come-and-done" behavior. I posted one, have seen a few others. The posts are never about positive experiences.

 

If an escort told me he is "come-and-done", I'd say "never mind."

[+ José Soplanucas]

I learned a new idiom again!

Grandfather sb./sth. in

I never knew grandfather could be a verb.

 

I also learned it here, and it is one of my favorite verbs. Fortunately, my regulars grandfather me.

http://i.imgur.com/5NcRtGl.gif

[+ VictorPowers]

I was told: "You Come You Go".

 

Literally LOL at this!

To reply to previous responses: Nobody likes a clock watcher. I do appreciate if we go over, the client is respectful of my time. Sometimes I may need to travel afterward for an outcall. I always put some buffer time inbeteeen appointments anyways for that reason. Better safe than sorry.

[Maximus69]

Im not a clock watcher either, most times the clock goes over 15/20 minutes the time they payed for and I don't expect anything more, most of the time that kindness gets you people to see you again. Only thing i say is don't get taken advantage of and have some guy max out your time and stay over an hour or more than the time they paid for lol. In that case offer a discount for multiple hour sessions.

[BaronArtz]

I've been doing this for a little over a year now and have mostly charged flat fees to my clients: where an incall is X amount of money regardless of time spent, and so on. As I've been expanding to other websites I noticed that the majority of people charge hourly. I was wondering, which do clients prefer? What are the pros and cons of either?

 

I live in NYC. My understanding of the trans escort market is that it is very different from the gay escort market. Gays want to set up an appointment well ahead of time, and spend an hour, typically. Trans escorts in NY get hired on a 'right now' basis, typically between 2 and 6 a.m. and just for the purpose of getting the client off as fast as possible - 15 mins max. Your flat fee business model would work well in this environment.

[Irtwo]

"You Come You Go".

 

I laughed at that as well. That needs to be added to the forum's library of famous lines!

[+ José Soplanucas]

The only one out of my favorite guys who does not go beyond the contract is Sean Xavier. That is why my next time will be my last one with him. I will invest my dollars where I get more return.

[gallahadesquire]

Twice now I've been asked how much I thought an appointment should be worth. Very odd.

[LADoug1]

Unlimited time with a hot guy for a flat fee? What a fantasy!