What it's going on in NYC?

[LaffingBear]

$50 is not a deal breaker but it does make me think. In order for me to get there, I have to pay two tolls, pay for parking and gas, not to mention facing traffic which at times adds an hour to my trip.

 

I can relate to the factor, although I recognize its not the main point.

 

Traffic, particularly Bay Area bridge hassles, SF parking, etc. are often bigger factor than the fee for me.

 

Best case scenario... I'm into SF and parked in 35-40 min. More likely, about an hour. Bad luck - that can easily be 2 hours. Nothing ruins the anticipation before and any kind of contentment or glow afterwards more than realizing it took 3-4 hours of roadway hassle and aggravation to pay for an hour of fulfilment.

 

I've offered more for follow-up outcalls at my place, but few if any have said yes, except for overnights or longer. Bridge & Tunnel. And, I dont do first meetings at my home (well, once).

[AquaNYC]

As a client, I'd favor a multiple hour discount, so instead of $300/ hour, rather go for $500 for 2 hours.

[MaxMuscle9x6]

$50 vig in an hourly rate does matter. I have a mental threshold when the hourly rate reaches 350. At that number or higher I 'm not sure there is much of a difference. Especially when some escorts come in with their a la carte pricing. I always ask in advance, but it never fails that 3 - 4 have said to do X it will cost an additional Y. that leads to an immediate discussion, where one of us ends up leaving.

[workingoutnow]

Yes. And I am loving it so far. My place is like 2 blocks from the gay beach and I love riding my bike on the trail along the lake.

What beach in Chicago is the "gay beach"?

[Mocha]

Best case scenario... I'm into SF and parked in 35-40 min. More likely, about an hour. Bad luck - that can easily be 2 hours. Nothing ruins the anticipation before and any kind of contentment or glow afterwards more than realizing it took 3-4 hours of roadway hassle and aggravation to pay for an hour of fulfilment.

 

What neighborhood in the bay area do you live? I've been to San Fran few times. I used to find I can get to where I need to be easily from alameda. But crossing back and forth over that bridge and the neighborhood in general was kinda sleepy. So I'd stay in south San Francisco or anywhere that offered parking in the city. And I was in heaven when I was able to get from one client to the next in less than a mile.

 

However coming from the further burbs of the bay area into SF can be ass gripping. Especially if you have to drive or walk up 20 and 30% grades once you get there. But I've seen worst. Otherwise...BINGO! You just spoke for every escort. That's why I now require minimum 1 to 2 hours notice. And that's late night and weekends. In rush hour that 30-45 min drive can turn into 2 hours. Even though, sometimes when I'm already out and about I can actually get to places faster than when I'm chillin at home.

[LaffingBear]

What neighborhood in the bay area do you live?

Much further east. Contra Costa. Alameda is an island in the bay itself, and South SF is immediately south of the city.

[TopTierTop]

What beach in Chicago is the "gay beach"?

Hollywood Ardmore Beach, officially Kathy Osterman Beach http://www.cpdbeaches.com/beaches/osterman-beach/

[+ Tarte Gogo]

Please don't leave, Angelico:(. I contacted you and you sent me some great picture which made me very horny, but I haven't had time to sample you yet as I have been on a 3 weeks holiday abroad.

I will be back in NYC next week and am already trying to find my way to your place after work.

[SuckRichUncle]

The main reason for the downturn in Male Escorts, is that they/you are all starting to look identical with Designer facial hair. Your looks are amongst the most essential asset. Most clients are in their later years and raised of Male Physic Magazine, Movies with clean cut All American guys..and that what turns me and lots of other on.

[Mocha]

The main reason for the downturn in Male Escorts, is that they/you are all starting to look identical with Designer facial hair. Your looks are amongst the most essential asset. Most clients are in their later years and raised of Male Physic Magazine, Movies with clean cut All American guys..and that what turns me and lots of other on.

 

Times have changed:

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

The main reason for the downturn in Male Escorts, is that they/you are all starting to look identical with Designer facial hair. Your looks are amongst the most essential asset. Most clients are in their later years and raised of Male Physic Magazine, Movies with clean cut All American guys..and that what turns me and lots of other on.

 

I believe you hit on something with this post.

 

Differentiation is a key element in being successful in this business. Play up what makes you unique: figure out what sets you apart from the pack. This extends into the gay community itself, with many younger guys racing to a 5 o'clock shadow, a barber cut and a body full of ink.

 

Bottom line, I hold out hope that there truly is someone for everyone out there. Sameness or not

[+ José Soplanucas]

Times have changed:

 

 

I am enjoying the new Mocha.

[TopTierTop]

Well, I have to be back in NYC for maybe 5 nights next month. Not really long enough to see how the market is doing there in general though.

[Mocha]

It extends into the gay community itself, with many younger guys racing to a 5 o'clock shadow, a barber cut and a body full of ink.

 

Lol...I love that look though. Straight and gay are doing it. It's just making it hard to go outside knowing I'm going to see atleast a few who look like that...but they're pushing baby strollers around. And guess who probably made guys want to do that look?

 

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[Mocha]

Well, I have to be back in NYC for maybe 5 nights next month. Not really long enough to see how the market is doing there in general though.

 

I've still not worked NYC yet. NYC just barely is outside of the 25% rule, but similar to D.C., I think it could be part of the exception. It's a city of 8 million. 8,491,079 to be exact (source: city-data.com). Of course once you factor in all the many factors, that may only leave someone with only a handful of clients to choose from.

 

I am enjoying the new Mocha.

 

I'm still the same. Just have to get to know me...

[TopTierTop]

I've still not worked NYC yet. NYC just barely is outside of the 25% rule, but similar to D.C., I think it could be part of the exception. It's a city of 8 million. 8,491,079 to be exact (source: city-data.com). Of course once you factor in all the many factors, that may only leave someone with only a handful of clients to choose from.

 

 

 

I'm still the same. Just have to get to know me...

I will only be there 5 nights and will have that handful booked before I get there. I have never tried to be based there long term so I can't really say how good or bad of an idea it might be. For me, it has been a good place to go for short periods of time and meet a bunch of good clients.

[MartyB]

I believe you hit on something with this post.

 

Differentiation is a key element in being successful in this business. Play up what makes you unique: figure out what sets you apart from the pack. This extends into the gay community itself, with many younger guys racing to a 5 o'clock shadow, a barber cut and a body full of ink.

 

Bottom line, I hold out hope that there truly is someone for everyone out there. Sameness or not

I agree if I wasn't seeing my regular who I find unique and so sexy looking at the escorts on rentmen in NYC my eyes go to the unique those that stand out. I think that's why I would look at more ethnic i.e. black, Asian etc. I think the look of today's escorts is fine it's just I want to be with someone unique captivating and his own person.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

I'm sure many of you had experience a huge slow down in the biggest escort empire, I can see clients in NYC visiting my profile once and once again , I see a lot of clients visiting more thank 20Times but not even a message.

 

I've been asking to all of mY escort friends about their week and it seems we all are on the same page, nobody is getting business since last week.

 

What is really happening?

Why is happening?

What are the best seasons for NYC?

where to go during slow seasons?

Well, [uSER=15464]@fallenAngel[/uSER] , the NYC market cannot be that slow any more, given how hard it is to get an appointment with you.

[KennF]

I'm sorta glad demand is down. And there seems to be this "if I don't set my rate at $300/hr or more, I may appear less special" attitude. There are hundreds and hundreds of NYC options on rentmen alone. If they get a little bit hungry, pricepoints might be lowered, more transactions may happen and it potentially becomes win/win ! Yay !

 

That said, I'm curious what both clients and escorts think about whether a $50 difference in hourly rate really makes any difference at all ?

 

I think it makes a difference for two reasons.

 

First, for those of us that like to tip, a $300 starting point makes the total price difficult. If the service is worth $300 or $400 then I can express my opinion of the value much easier at $200 or $250 and still give the $300+. However, if the price point is $300 and I give $300, I'm not able to express much.

 

It is the same with when a restaurant automatically adds the gratuity. I never tip more than the mandatory tip, however, without the forced tip, I will often tip much greater.

 

The Second reasons is that it crosses over the sales magic 9 number. There is little difference in the thinking process of a client between $240 and$290. But, there is a significant difference in thinking between $290 and $300. The first digit increase does change the way people view things. And, it raises the mix-max regret evaluation that automatically occurs. (I am only risking 2 hundred. versus I am risking 3 hundred.)

[KennF]

Differentiation is a key element in being successful in this business. Play up what makes you unique: figure out what sets you apart from the pack. This extends into the gay community itself, with many younger guys racing to a 5 o'clock shadow, a barber cut and a body full of ink.

 

This is so true in every business and industry. Especially when the market is filled with alternatives.

 

Your marketing and brand are tremendously important. You (everyone) needs to find out what makes them different and more appealing.

 

I get amazed at how many ads I see where the images and ad text are not appealing, or sloppily put together, as if the escort is the only one in the area.

 

You may only get one chance to make an impression and get someone to reach out to you. So, the primary branding is important.

[KennF]

I am getting the feeling like I'm a marketing advisor lately.

 

I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I think it makes a difference for two reasons.

 

First, for those of us that like to tip, a $300 starting point makes the total price difficult. If the service is worth $300 or $400 then I can express my opinion of the value much easier at $200 or $250 and still give the $300+. However, if the price point is $300 and I give $300, I'm not able to express much.

 

It is the same with when a restaurant automatically adds the gratuity. I never tip more than the mandatory tip, however, without the forced tip, I will often tip much greater.

 

The Second reasons is that it crosses over the sales magic 9 number. There is little difference in the thinking process of a client between $240 and$290. But, there is a significant difference in thinking between $290 and $300. The first digit increase does change the way people view things. And, it raises the mix-max regret evaluation that automatically occurs. (I am only risking 2 hundred. versus I am risking 3 hundred.)

 

It is crazy anyone can think 50 bucks do not make a difference. Look at sales traditional, based on experience practices: $0.99 is not the same than $1. It makes a difference in gas prices, groceries shopping, clothing, air tickets, hospitality, why it would not make a difference in escorting?????

[KennF]

It is crazy anyone can thinks 50 bucks do not make a difference. Look at sales traditional, based on experience practices: $0.99 is not the same than $1. It makes a difference in gas prices, groceries shopping, clothing, air tickets, hospitality, why it would not make a difference in escorting?????

 

I think part of it is realizing that escorting is a business and you are selling a service (time, companionship, massage, an experience, etc...). So marketing is part of it.

[+ PapaTony]

I'm sorta glad demand is down. And there seems to be this "if I don't set my rate at $300/hr or more, I may appear less special" attitude. There are hundreds and hundreds of NYC options on rentmen alone. If they get a little bit hungry, pricepoints might be lowered, more transactions may happen and it potentially becomes win/win ! Yay !

 

That said, I'm curious what both clients and escorts think about whether a $50 difference in hourly rate really makes any difference at all ?

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It does

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[BoyBerlin]

Either that or they just flat out move here. People have been moving down to Florida from New York for years. Actually met a guy from Brooklyn who was down here for the Orlando gay days. New Yorkers are always cool...

 

 

 

Sometimes though there's nothing one can do. Often it's simply their location needs to change. I've seen it happen many times. Nothing happening, I'm going crazy, go to new city, business back to usual. For example, as I was moving out of Nashville last month, there was nothing going on. Lot of the regulars were unreachable, just nothing was happening on the escort front.

 

But soon as I left Nashville to another city before memorial weekend, things did a 360. I had to turn people down I was so busy. Business exploded just in time to catch all the latest Memorial Day sales.

 

But looking back, I did well overall in Nashville, but I'd of not been able to stay there the whole time without traveling. Atleast in New York there's people who can afford to pay. In some markets, you meet a few guys who will spend, but the vast majority either don't have it to spend or won't spend it even if they have it. Which is beyond the realm of control.

 

So before you pull your hair out trying to analyze why things aren't going the way you want, just try switching up the city.

 

 

Hey guys, I am from NYC originally and live over in Europe now. In Berlin where I am the going rate for a full service very hot guy under 30 is 100 Euros (around $110). In NYC it seems to be anywhere between $200-$300 per hour. With NYC being the crazy expensive city it is I think these types of rates only allow for pretty wealthy men the ability to indulge. Here in Berlin its a much more affordable hobby and open to clients at all types of income brackets. I am far from rich and am able to hire 4 times a month without it putting a major dent into my bank account. If I was in NYC this habit probably would have financially destroyed me..Not really sure what the answer is but just my perspective on some of the differences in countries.