What to do with annoying Clients.

[corymonroe]

respect should go both ways.

Absolutely. But how does a professional show respect before he meets a future customer?

Here we are not showing anybody's names or phone numbers

Like I said, you don't need a name or phone number to show disrespect for customers in public. Choose the wrong subject, choose the wrong words, and you will turn-off a fair share of potential customers. There's evidence of that in this thread.

 

Everyone who works in a service business is going to encounter challenging customers. (Notice I didn't say annoying.) Learning how to deal with challenging customers is part of professional development. Learning how to properly discuss these issues also speaks to professionalism.

 

This forum is open to everyone. It's open to potential customers. If your goal is to attract new customers, why would you want to write any words that might turn someone off?

[Beancounter]

Absolutely. But how does a professional show respect before he meets a future customer?

 

Like I said, you don't need a name or phone number to show disrespect for customers in public. Choose the wrong subject, choose the wrong words, and you will turn-off a fair share of potential customers. There's evidence of that in this thread.

 

Everyone who works in a service business is going to encounter challenging customers. (Notice I didn't say annoying.) Learning how to deal with challenging customers is part of professional development. Learning how to properly discuss these issues also speaks to professionalism.

 

This forum is open to everyone. It's open to potential customers. If your goal is to attract new customers, why would you want to write any words that might turn someone off?

+1000

[Yeison]

+1000

S

Absolutely. But how does a professional show respect before he meets a future customer?

 

Like I said, you don't need a name or phone number to show disrespect for customers in public. Choose the wrong subject, choose the wrong words, and you will turn-off a fair share of potential customers. There's evidence of that in this thread.

 

Everyone who works in a service business is going to encounter challenging customers. (Notice I didn't say annoying.) Learning how to deal with challenging customers is part of professional development. Learning how to properly discuss these issues also speaks to professionalism.

 

This forum is open to everyone. It's open to potential customers. If your goal is to attract new customers, why would you want to write any words that might turn someone off?

o many time I've been criticized for my way to be, I'm going to give you an explanation about myself, I love being authentic and to be authentic I must be myself, I'm so happy with all of the clients I've been earning along this journey, they are authentic too btw, English is not my first language so sometimes people will misunderstand my posts.

 

People in this forum that got to know me knows how fun I can be in person, I'm super outgoing and open minded, I have never disrespected anyone and I haven't talk about any specific client, this is a very freelance and personal business that provides authenticity and real personality.

 

Long story short, I think this Forum it's bringing me some kind of situation that I don't really want for me so this is my last post on here, it seems like the interaction escort client it may not be too good through here afterwards since we can not say things like it is without making up the words too much, i love all my clients but I'' taking distance from this forum.

 

Nothing personal.

[Beancounter]

S

 

o many time I've been criticized for my way to be, I'm going to give you an explanation about myself, I love being authentic and to be authentic I must be myself, I'm so happy with all of the clients I've been earning along this journey, they are authentic too btw, English is not my first language so sometimes people will misunderstand my posts.

 

People in this forum that got to know me knows how fun I can be in person, I'm super outgoing and open minded, I have never disrespected anyone and I haven't talk about any specific client, this is a very freelance and personal business that provides authenticity and real personality.

 

Long story short, I think this Forum it's bringing me some kind of situation that I don't really want for me so this is my last post on here, it seems like the interaction escort client it may not be too good through here afterwards since we can not say things like it is without making up the words too much, i love all my clients but I'' taking distance from this forum.

 

Nothing personal.

 

Don't let that door hit you on the way out.

[+ José Soplanucas]

The topic of this thread iscwhat to do with annoying clients. Pretty specific, I don't see here an unfair generalization or any contempt at all for clients.

We are supposed to gather here to exchange experiences, preferences, and opinions with the goal of becoming better clients and better providers.

When we discuss escorts we encourage each other to honestly share our opinions, but I think there is an obvious double standard that is unfair and not conducive for escorts participation.

The line in my opinion is making generalizations, and I do not think [uSER=15464]@fallenAngel[/uSER] was making one.

[+ DERRIK]

Any profession requires record keeping - particularly a profession that has lots of competition and low barrier to entry.

 

I am impressed by providers who keep track of my preferences from previous visits

[+ José Soplanucas]

I have been many times in restaurants or retails stores, and have witnessed some customer raising his/her voice and bragging about how clients are always right, about how sacred is that principle of the service industry. Every single time I witnessed this situation, these customers were disrespectful and abusive of the employees, and could not take anyone standing up for his/her rights and dignity. They just wanted to vent and exercise their contempt for others.

If you are a client who cares about the welfare and dignity of your service provider, you would understand the OP's intention and have no problem with it.

[corymonroe]

this is my last post on here

Dear fallenAngel,

 

I hope my posts did not influence your decision to leave. If they did, I apologize.

 

Yes, this forum is here to exchange ideas, but that does not mean every word an escort uses will be free from negative interpretation. If you're self-employed and English is not your first language, then writing on an English-only board may require more thought and effort.

 

I once hired a foreign-born escort who couldn't speak English well. A day after our meet, I received an email from someone listing all the things we had done during our session in graphic detail. That's never happened to me before. I didn't recognize the email address and the writing intent was impossible to follow. It looked like a nefarious attempt at something.

 

I called the escort to ask if the email was from him, and he said yes. I asked why he sent this email to me. He said he wanted me to know that he keeps notes about every customer he meets, so that he can remember the customer's needs for the next encounter.

 

There was nothing in his email that remotely suggested an innocent customer service effort. Furthermore, I found the whole idea of dossier keeping a turn-off. I don't want my escort meetings to play out like a Google search with pop-up ads geared to my interests. I personally didn't care that the guy wanted to keep notes to provide better service. I just failed to see why I needed to know about it. As a result, I never saw the guy again, even though we had a terrific time together.

 

As a self-employed professional, I've learned how to manage my customers, especially the challenging ones. I don't discuss my management details in the presence of other customers. If I need specific customer service business information, I seek the correct private venue that doesn't include the presence of a potential customer. Running a business and serving the customer are two different things.

 

I share this information to shed light on perspective. I hope you reconsider your decision and return to the board.

 

Sincerely,

 

Cory

[MileHigh]

You can't start a thread, ask people

To give their honest opinions and answers, and then get upset at that... Either don't start such threads or have a thick skin. There is nothing in this thread to be offended at!

[MileHigh]

Worst is annoying escorts... At least with annoying clients they pay the escort and you don't lose much as it is work... For clients, you lose your money and time!

[Kevin Slater]

At least with annoying clients they pay the escort...

 

Except when they don't.

 

Kevin Slater

[MileHigh]

Except when they don't.

 

Kevin Slater

 

You had experience with nonpayment?mand how do you handle that?

[TruHart1]

I, too, am quite surprised at the negativity thrown at [uSER=15464]@fallenAngel[/uSER] on this thread. In trepidation of being maligned publicly myself, I admit that since my very first hire, I have kept a database of every single escort encounter I've ever experienced. My database is an Excel spreadsheet which has the date and venue of each encounter, includes the fees paid out, including any tip given, and a mini-review (not so mini- if the escort goes above and beyond during our session!) In addition, any no-shows or flakiness by any escort is noted in red. With this database, I can see just how much money I have spent over any time period on my hobby and I can also read my reviews in case my memory of an encounter is foggy!

 

You can't start a thread, ask people

To give their honest opinions and answers, and then get upset at that... Either don't start such threads or have a thick skin. There is nothing in this thread to be offended at!

Of course, in a public forum, everyone is welcome to comment on any topic. However, I have seen again and again how many escorts find and join our ranks, happy to find a place they can be open about their work, try to honestly share their thoughts and even business practices with us, only to be put down and criticized for whatever, making them feel personally ganged up on. Inevitably, the escort quits posting at all. I find statements such as @Beancounter's "you have my permission to put a red X next to my name. I'll do the same with your profile." in response to the escort making notations about clients who are problematic or flaky seems especially personal and offensive to the escort. That statement is not an opinion. It is a negative put-down. No wonder so many fine escorts don't share on this forum any longer.

 

TruHart1

[Kevin Slater]

You had experience with nonpayment?mand how do you handle that?

 

Any escort in the biz for an amount of time experiences nonpayment. Most businesses expect to lose some portion of inventory to shoplifting. Short of breaking a kneecap, I do my best to ensure he won't do it again to me or anyone else.

 

Kevin Slater

[+ José Soplanucas]

You can't start a thread, ask people

To give their honest opinions and answers, and then get upset at that... Either don't start such threads or have a thick skin. There is nothing in this thread to be offended at!

 

Well, I feel uncomfortable agreeing with you in this thread, but you are correct.

 

By design, escorts participation in this forum is compromised by the fact this space is part of their business. Many escorts have not understood how to manage that thin line between honesty and selling yourself. The successful ones showed consistency, patience, and maturity to discriminate constructive criticism (and take it and grow) from hateful trolling (and ignore it). It takes work.

 

So [uSER=15464]@fallenAngel[/uSER] , there is nothing offensive here. Your post generated some harsh reactions. A significant number of posters, a clear majority, came in your support. Slamming the door is just telling us that you are not able or not willing to do the work that takes keeping up with these forums.

[MileHigh]

Any escort in the biz for an amount of time experiences nonpayment. Most businesses expect to lose some portion of inventory to shoplifting. Short of breaking a kneecap, I do my best to ensure he won't do it again to me or anyone else.

 

Kevin Slater

I can't even imagine not paying.... I even feel bad about talking to someone and then not setting something up... But it's the same as with escorts lying about their pictures, things they do... But still, I would never not pay...

[MileHigh]

Well, I feel uncomfortable agreeing with you in this thread, but you are correct.

 

By design, escorts participation in this forum is compromised by the fact this space is part of their business. Many escorts have not understood how to manage that thin line between honesty and selling yourself. The successful ones showed consistency, patience, and maturity to discriminate constructive criticism (and take it and grow) from hateful trolling (and ignore it). It takes work.

 

So [uSER=15464]@fallenAngel[/uSER] , there is nothing offensive here. Your post generated some harsh reactions. A significant number of posters, a clear majority, came in your support. Slamming the door is just telling us that you are not able or not willing to do the work that takes keeping up with these forums.

I've hired FallenAngel and he is great... I had some things that I felt I didn't like from his behavior in another post where he asked to be honest about him, but he took that in stride ... So I don't see why he would be upset with this thread here... FallenAngel, you are above that... You know it... Keep your head up, and the other head even higher (hahaha)... You are still loved!

[LivingnLA]

I believe the issues in this thread are a combination of differing cultural and linguistic expectations and sophistication. I'm only speculating, but [uSER=15464]@fallenAngel[/uSER] probably speaks multiple languages and English isn't his first. Couple that with the more casual and seemingly transparent or "authentic" (older people would say blunt/rude) communication style of Millennials and we arrive at this series of posts after he explained his CRM practices.

[+ not2rowdy]

I, too, am quite surprised at the negativity thrown at fallenAngel on this thread. In trepidation of being maligned publicly myself, I admit that since my very first hire, I have kept a database of every single escort encounter I've ever experienced...

 

My sentiments - and procedures too.

 

...However, I have seen again and again how many escorts find and join our ranks, happy to find a place they can be open about their work, try to honestly share their thoughts and even business practices with us, only to be put down and criticized for whatever, making them feel personally ganged up on...No wonder so many fine escorts don't share on this forum any longer.

 

So true.

It find it unfortunate the forum, too often, has this appetite of “eating our own”.

I hope fallenAngel will continue to participate.

[liubit]

In trepidation of being maligned publicly myself, I admit that since my very first hire, I have kept a database of every single escort encounter I've ever experienced. My database is an Excel spreadsheet which has the date and venue of each encounter, includes the fees paid out, including any tip given, and a mini-review (not so mini- if the escort goes above and beyond during our session!) In addition, any no-shows or flakiness by any escort is noted in red. With this database, I can see just how much money I have spent over any time period on my hobby and I can also read my reviews in case my memory of an encounter is foggy!

You are not alone in this, @TruHart1. I do the same, but my records are more "primitive". I do not use Excell sheets, but my own shorthand and codes to describe every meeting. It is a precious database to me.

[BryanKnight]

This puts people off. Regardless of the reason, visitors and audience members don't like to know how they are being excluded, even if the reasons are practical and reasonable. just come across as cold and self serving.

[+ José Soplanucas]

This puts people off. Regardless of the reason, visitors and audience members don't like to know how they are being excluded, even if the reasons are practical and reasonable. just come across as cold and self serving.

 

You are wrong in your generalization. I want to know, and I bet majority of forum members also do.

[BryanKnight]

You are wrong in your generalization. I want to know, and I bet majority of forum members also do.

 

Glad this was helpful to you

[Beancounter]

This puts people off. Regardless of the reason, visitors and audience members don't like to know how they are being excluded, even if the reasons are practical and reasonable. just come across as cold and self serving.

 

+1000

 

You are absolutely correct.

[gregkidman]

As a client, I sometimes have a 'moment' and I have to cancel at the last minute.

For example, one time I went to an ATM to get money and the dang machine ate my card! I was just about to meet an escort and I had cancel because I didn't have any money!

I texted him and told him that 'the atm ate my card' which, from an escort's point of view, sounds like a lame excuse.

Thankfully the escort gave me a second chance and we met up a few days later and we had a great time.

I just hope that [uSER=15464]@fallenAngel[/uSER] will give each of his client a second chance instead of blocking them off at the first sign of trouble.