Direct Language

[+ glennnn]

This question has to do with being clear as to expectations, but staying within the law.

If I send a text, email or have a phone conversation where I say, "I'm really looking forward to our time together. I want you to fuck me, I like mutual rimming and blow jobs, and I want to eat your cum", but with no mention of escorting, payment, location or dates.

 

Am I putting my playmate and myself at legal risk? Perhaps it depends on the state or municipality?

[mike carey]

@glennnn , it's all theoretical, the law stipulates that sexual acts for the exchange of money are illegal. Sexual acts where money isn't an issue are theoretically fine, as are companionship for money without sex. You can maintain that separation in a short e-mail exchange, but once it becomes longer the chances of you straying into a situation where the sex and money is either stated or can be inferred increases.

[+ glennnn]

"Can be inferred.....". Yeah, that's the rub. How much can law enforcement use inference to proceed? How much do they want to or have the resources to proceed based on inferences drawn from supposedly private communications. The recent post in another thread about the foreign reporter being denied entrance to the US unless he gave up the data on his cellphone gives one pause. I guess I just haven't got used to the idea that I am a criminal.

[+ saminseattle]

Am I putting my playmate and myself at legal risk?

 

Yes, probably.

 

Perhaps it depends on the state or municipality?

 

No, probably not.

 

I guess I just haven't got used to the idea that I am a criminal.

 

I remember my father once running a red light when no one was around. He said afterwards that it’s not illegal if there are no cops there to see you do it. While this reasoning seems pretty dubious to me now, there is at the same time a certain practical wisdom to that perspective.

 

In that regard, keep in mind that there are different rules at the border. Also, take a look at my post in this thread: http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/potential-clients-think-i-am-a-prostitute.115741/ (post 11).

[+ Truereview]

Also, take a look at my post in this thread: http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/potential-clients-think-i-am-a-prostitute.115741/ (post 11).

That was a great post, Sam. Not sure if you are an attorney or not, but to me, it felt right on. I thought I would quote you specifically on the segment that connects to this thread and @glennnn 's question. It could help others with similar inquiries:

...while escorting and massage are legal, they are sometimes used as a cover for prostitution, which is illegal. The police occasionally conduct undercover stings to crack down on prostitution. Even if someone claims that money is only being paid for the time spent, if a prosecutor can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what is really going on is an exchange of money for sex, then the people involved can be found guilty of a crime. Many sex workers and their clients are oblivious to all this and will be quite explicit in their statements, questions, and answers. This may be more convenient than using code words and hinting at things indirectly, and it may provide them more business opportunities, but it also entails some significant risks. I would guess that being ensnared in some undercover sting would be a very unpleasant experience.

[+ glennnn]

@saminseattle

Thank you for the link to the previous thread on this topic. It was very helpful. We all walk a fine, and hard to recognize, line here. I certainly don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for an experience that doesn't include my sexual satisfaction by not being clear about my needs. OTOH, I don't want to create legal problems for myself or the wonderful man I hope to hire by being too graphic. So far, I've never contacted an escort who doesn't have an established rep in this forum, and all has been well. I guess that will remain my modus operandi, although I'm sorely tempted by some guys who have not been vetted here.

[+ saminseattle]

That was a great post, Sam. Not sure if you are an attorney or not, but to me, it felt right on. I thought I would quote you specifically on the segment that connects to this thread and @glennnn 's question. It could help others with similar inquiries:

 

All I know is what I read on the Internet, so people should take what I say with a grain of salt But thank you for your kind words regardless.

[jjkrkwood]

"Can be inferred.....". Yeah, that's the rub. How much can law enforcement use inference to proceed? How much do they want to or have the resources to proceed based on inferences drawn from supposedly private communications. The recent post in another thread about the foreign reporter being denied entrance to the US unless he gave up the data on his cellphone gives one pause. I guess I just haven't got used to the idea that I am a criminal.

 

 

I wouldn't worry glennn. LOOK at the bright side... But remember, those prison jumpsuits ADD 10 lbs...

 

 

 

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[+ Just Sayin]

I had an appointment recently with a provider who was texting me about specific acts I'd enjoy; I told him we could discuss when I spoke with him by telephone; I am extremely wary of stating that kind of information in either an email or a text; if I were you, @glennnn, I'd make arrangements to discuss this type of information over the phone.

[MikeBiDude]

"Can be inferred.....". Yeah, that's the rub. How much can law enforcement use inference to proceed? How much do they want to or have the resources to proceed based on inferences drawn from supposedly private communications. The recent post in another thread about the foreign reporter being denied entrance to the US unless he gave up the data on his cellphone gives one pause. I guess I just haven't got used to the idea that I am a criminal.

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[+ Truereview]

And remember...no matter how direct you are,

the other person can play dense...

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[LivingnLA]

It's all about evidence and "reasonable doubt" if either of you are arrested. I have very specific porn that I like discussing with my friends. It's good to know if I'm spending time with someone who likes the same kinds of porn since we'll have something in common when we hang out.

[MrMattBig]

This question has to do with being clear as to expectations, but staying within the law.

If I send a text, email or have a phone conversation where I say, "I'm really looking forward to our time together. I want you to fuck me, I like mutual rimming and blow jobs, and I want to eat your cum", but with no mention of escorting, payment, location or dates.

 

Am I putting my playmate and myself at legal risk? Perhaps it depends on the state or municipality?

 

As an escort, I personally like when a client is upfront about what type of experience they want during a session. It takes the guess work out of our meeting and makes everything more organic and genuine. Either way, I approach each meeting ready for anything. If you would like to communicate your desires, stick with language like "my interests included xxx".

Stay away from using pronouns to indicate either yourself or the escort. Speak from a general sense. If an escort is ok with and can accommodate what you have communicated, he will go forward in arranging a meeting.

If he responds "That would be $xxx for xxx, that's when I would be careful.

[UpDownUnder]

This question has to do with being clear as to expectations, but staying within the law.

If I send a text, email or have a phone conversation where I say, "I'm really looking forward to our time together. I want you to fuck me, I like mutual rimming and blow jobs, and I want to eat your cum", but with no mention of escorting, payment, location or dates.

 

Am I putting my playmate and myself at legal risk? Perhaps it depends on the state or municipality?

 

Unless you're in a jurisdiction where attempted gay sex or conspiracy to engage in gay sex is illegal, I don't see how your quote above could be construed as illegal in any way. Escorts are allowed to have fuck buddies and/or hook up off-the-clock.

[marylander1940]

This question has to do with being clear as to expectations, but staying within the law.

If I send a text, email or have a phone conversation where I say, "I'm really looking forward to our time together. I want you to fuck me, I like mutual rimming and blow jobs, and I want to eat your cum", but with no mention of escorting, payment, location or dates.

 

Am I putting my playmate and myself at legal risk? Perhaps it depends on the state or municipality?

 

I would just say: "in my private life I like to do XXX", I would never say: "Will you fuck me?" or "Will you let me fuck you?"

[marylander1940]

It's all about evidence and "reasonable doubt" if either of you are arrested. I have very specific porn that I like discussing with my friends. It's good to know if I'm spending time with someone who likes the same kinds of porn since we'll have something in common when we hang out.

 

That also depends a lot on where you're and how you meet the guy... I would be very comfortable in a big city and more concerned about what I say if I'm the deep South, the Bible Belt, and many parts of the Midwest.

[rvwnsd]

This question has to do with being clear as to expectations, but staying within the law.

If I send a text, email or have a phone conversation where I say, "I'm really looking forward to our time together. I want you to fuck me, I like mutual rimming and blow jobs, and I want to eat your cum", but with no mention of escorting, payment, location or dates.

 

Am I putting my playmate and myself at legal risk? Perhaps it depends on the state or municipality?

Are you putting your playmate and yourself at legal risk of what? Having man-on-man sex is not illegal in the US. As long as you do not associate payment with the text you should be fine.

 

That also depends a lot on where you're and how you meet the guy... I would be very comfortable in a big city and more concerned about what I say if I'm the deep South, the Bible Belt, and many parts of the Midwest.

 

Illinois was the first state to repeal its sodomy laws - in 1962- a full nine years prior to the next state, Connecticut. Ohio and Indiana followed suit in 1976, the same year as California. Iowa and Nebraska repealed theirs in 1978, preceding New York by two years. Maryland was a relative laggard, having repealed theirs in 1999.

 

What was that about the Midwest again?

[marylander1940]

Are you putting your playmate and yourself at legal risk of what? Having man-on-man sex is not illegal in the US. As long as you do not associate payment with the text you should be fine.

 

 

 

Illinois was the first state to repeal its sodomy laws - in 1962- a full nine years prior to the next state, Connecticut. Ohio and Indiana followed suit in 1976, the same year as California. Iowa and Nebraska repealed theirs in 1978, preceding New York by two years. Maryland was a relative laggard, having repealed theirs in 1999.

 

What was that about the Midwest again?

 

yes, right before the SCJ got rid of those laws. In Virginia the Cuch (Cucinelli) wanted those laws restored. LOL

[+ Tygerscent]

This question has to do with being clear as to expectations, but staying within the law.

If I send a text, email or have a phone conversation where I say, "I'm really looking forward to our time together. I want you to fuck me, I like mutual rimming and blow jobs, and I want to eat your cum", but with no mention of escorting, payment, location or dates.

 

Am I putting my playmate and myself at legal risk? Perhaps it depends on the state or municipality?

Perhaps better to say that you like getting fucked, your a power bottom, you love kissing, rimming and blow jobs... The Escort can express things he likes too~

Looking forward to your time together is simply that~

Asking him for specific sex for payment is prostitution.

Being paid for shared time together at a specific place on a specific date for a specific amount of time at a specific price is what many businesses do~

That's not illegal~

Escorting is not illegal but, prostitution is~

Tyger~

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