It Seems To Me More And More Escorts Are Outcall Only?

[Gar1eth]

I was going to start a thread today, but then found this one. I live a hour outside of downtown Seattle and cannot host. I have noticed more and more that Seattle escorts and most particularly traveling escorts do not do incalls anymore.

 

I find this frustrating since my entertainment budget does not cover renting a hotel room for the day.

 

Just this week, two well known and highly reputable (not to mention desirable) visiting escorts told me that they can't host because they will be staying with friends--hotel prices in Seattle being through the roof. For them, it just isn't cost effective. I get it, but it is disappointing. The only affordable rooms are out near the airport where nobody wants to stay--the hotels are fine, but the location sucks.

 

Even the local talent seems not to do incalls very often. Perhaps they live with roommates, the rents being so high here nowadays.

 

In the past I had gotten private rooms at Steamworks if the escort were willing as it's cheaper than a hotel. It wasn't my favorite place to go as it's dark and dingy with very small rooms. I would do this in Dallas too. Although even in Dallas, it still was not my favorite thing to do. But at least at The Club-Dallas the experience was nicer than at Steamworks in Seattle as The Club has some nicer rooms if you spring for more than those with just a basic pallet. But often escorts don't want to meet at bathhouses.

 

Gman

[Mocha]

I was going to start a thread today, but then found this one. I live a hour outside of downtown Seattle and cannot host. I have noticed more and more that Seattle escorts and most particularly traveling escorts do not do incalls anymore.

 

I find this frustrating since my entertainment budget does not cover renting a hotel room for the day.

 

Just this week, two well known and highly reputable (not to mention desirable) visiting escorts told me that they can't host because they will be staying with friends--hotel prices in Seattle being through the roof. For them, it just isn't cost effective. I get it, but it is disappointing. The only affordable rooms are out near the airport where nobody wants to stay--the hotels are fine, but the location sucks.

 

Even the local talent seems not to do incalls very often. Perhaps they live with roommates, the rents being so high here nowadays.

 

It's exactly the truth. I was actually going to mention rising rents and inflation as another reason.

 

I'm hoping once all the snotty-nosed cum spurts start back school, and the breeders stay their fucking asses home, hotels across the country will begin to come down. Unfortunently, seems cheap gas=more travelers/higher prices. It's going to take something drastic like boycotting hotels and apartments for real change comes. But who cares when you're a family of 2 making $90,000 each a year. They don't fucking give a shit about us.

 

If not, i quit traveling. Why bust my ass and pay hotels when i could stay home and work rent free? But alas, my home market has been slow all year.

 

I went to Seattle once. Hotels were stupid expensive. Ditto with Boston. The thing is, there's nothing in the city that i can't get in the suburbs. Seems you pay all that money just for the opurtunity to be able to walk and pay for parking.

 

My best tours seem to be where i go from one farm town to the next. This big city stuff is so 2009. Everyone has been fucked and fucked over 100 times already.

[WolfRamNHard]

I generally prefer incalls for the following reasons -

 

- Nosy neighbors (including kids). While they're all cool with the gay thing, the concept of an open relationship would be too much for some of them, especially since they came to our wedding. We generally get along well with all of them and wouldn't want any awkwardness to ruin things.

- My partner does not want to participate in or even be around during my escort interactions, but he still needs to be home for other reasons.

- It's easy to leave someone else's place if things aren't going so well, but awkward to politely ask someone to leave your home if things aren't going so well.

- Safety, not so much in terms of immediate safety during the interaction, but more in terms of someone going through our stuff, finding out more about us, and committing identity theft or somehow using that info against us (like Brodie Sinclair vs. Geithner). Also concerns about someone "casing" the house and then coming back later with his buddies to commit burglery (this actually happened to someone I know). Having said that I have never felt unsafe in any away with any of the escorts that I have hired to date, almost all of whom have been wonderful, so the safety issues are purely hypothetical at this point. But better safe than sorry, as they say.

 

Therefore when I'm not traveling, I generally only do incalls with visiting escorts. But if someone truly exceptional were to catch my eye but who doesn't do incalls in my city, I might be inclined to get a hotel room and make an overnight of it.

[mike carey]

wait.. are we all on the same page here? i always though incalls = you go to the escort. outcalls= the escort comes to you.

Yes, we are all on the same page. Rod is an escort, so meeting at his apartment is an incall.

[liubit]

wait.. are we all on the same page here? i always though incalls = you go to the escort. outcalls= the escort comes to you.

Yes, @sincitymix, the conundrum. It all depends on who is doing the talking. If an escort comes to you, it is an OUTCALL for him, an INCALL for you. If you go to an escort, it is an INCALL for him, an OUTCALL for you.

 

Einstein was right: everything is relative :confused:

[sincitymix]

Yes, @sincitymix, the conundrum. It all depends on who is doing the talking. If an escort comes to you, it is an OUTCALL for him, an INCALL for you. If you go to an escort, it is an INCALL for him, an OUTCALL for you.

 

Einstein was right: everything is relative :confused:

your making my brain hurt

[+ José Soplanucas]

wait.. are we all on the same page here? i always though incalls = you go to the escort. outcalls= the escort comes to you.

You are correct. He is an escort.

[Nvr2Thick]

With housing costs perpetually on the rise it's getting harder for a single male escort to live privately in a one-bedroom apartment or studio. I see a lot more single people in all walks of life relying on roommate situations. Acceptance, trust, and discretion make it more difficult to host incalls when an escort is sharing a space -- especially if there are shared entrances, bathrooms, etc. I can see why many escorts wouldn't be able to make a roommate situation work, or wouldn't want to try.

 

It wouldn't surprise me too if escorts are more sensitive to the lack of privacy we endure these days. Every detail we make available gets saved out on the web forever. If you want to be able to retire from escorting and let that career fade you need an an alias and disposable phone numbers and e-mail with no ties to your name. Some city dwellers maintain the same apartment or home for decades, and so it may not be something some escorts want associated with that career.

 

For me, meeting the escort at his place was part of the adventure. For my earliest experiences with escorts I was always taking a short trip from NJ into Manhattan. I've met escorts at some of the nastiest rooms, and in apartments so lush that my presence ruined the decor. Some men had the knack for making a 150 sq ft studio into a comfortably intimate den, while others made a sprawling 1+ bedroom feel inhospitable through clutter and inconvenience. My best memories often are associated with skilled escorts hosting me in their unique, personal environments.

[Despardo]

With housing costs perpetually on the rise it's getting harder for a single male escort to live privately in a one-bedroom apartment or studio. I see a lot more single people in all walks of life relying on roommate situations. Acceptance, trust, and discretion make it more difficult to host incalls when an escort is sharing a space -- especially if there are shared entrances, bathrooms, etc. I can see why many escorts wouldn't be able to make a roommate situation work, or wouldn't want to try.

 

It wouldn't surprise me too if escorts are more sensitive to the lack of privacy we endure these days. Every detail we make available gets saved out on the web forever. If you want to be able to retire from escorting and let that career fade you need an an alias and disposable phone numbers and e-mail with no ties to your name. Some city dwellers maintain the same apartment or home for decades, and so it may not be something some escorts want associated with that career.

 

For me, meeting the escort at his place was part of the adventure. For my earliest experiences with escorts I was always taking a short trip from NJ into Manhattan. I've met escorts at some of the nastiest rooms, and in apartments so lush that my presence ruined the decor. Some men had the knack for making a 150 sq ft studio into a comfortably intimate den, while others made a sprawling 1+ bedroom feel inhospitable through clutter and inconvenience. My best memories often are associated with skilled escorts hosting me in their unique, personal environments.

NYC maxim: Friends and roommates come and go, but an apartment is forever--RENT CONTROL!!! I lived in the same 300 sq. ft. noisy ground floor front rundown apartment on Morton St. in the West Village (location is everything) for 14 years. I moved in at $265 per month and moved out 14 years later (it was 1991) at $405 per month due to the miracle of Rent Stabilization. I learned yesterday that a (OK much, much larger) one bedroom apartment in the renovated building right next door had just sold for $3.4 million. Today, I could not afford a one bedroom apartment in Jersey City! --let alone Brooklyn, and forget Manhattan altogether. In my tiny digs on Morton St. I learned to divide the space vertically (loft beds, etc.) to increase the square footage. After 20 years in Manhattan, in 1991 I was experiencing mid-life crisis, plus the quality of life in NYC had hit an all time low, so I fled to Los Angeles (to the abject horror of my NY friends) to reinvent myself. Wound up gazing at the ocean in Laguna Beach for 10 years. Ended up in Seattle and have no plans to leave the PNW.

[MiamiLooker]

Yes, @sincitymix, the conundrum. It all depends on who is doing the talking. If an escort comes to you, it is an OUTCALL for him, an INCALL for you. If you go to an escort, it is an INCALL for him, an OUTCALL for you.

 

Einstein was right: everything is relative :confused:

 

In the 30 years I’ve been hiring, I’ve never had an escort misunderstand when I’ve asked if he does outcalls. It’s always been my experience that an incall means I go to him and an outcall means he comes to me. It’s never occurred to me he might think an outcall would be at his place. How unnecessarily confusing the conversation could be.

[BasketBaller]

Throughout my time hiring escorts I've had kids at home, so always have done incalls. The first couple of years I also had to hire a babysitter! I've been in some of DC's best hotels, but that makes me feel I'm paying more for the location, and I don't need that. A clean room in a decent neighborhood is fine. I've had plenty of fun in a couple of chain motels that cater to tourists, and I felt like my money was going for the escort, not the place.

[gezellig4u]

I have always preferred hosting dates in my hotel room. For me, hosting in my own hotel room offers multiple advantages to all parties involved: 1) A convenient public meeting place (lobby, hotel bar, or usually no shortage of nearby coffee shops); 2) a generally safe and neutral location for both parties (but, yes, I am aware of a few hotel encounters that have ended very badly; 3) far less likely that I will end up in a sting situation even though I am just looking for a dinner or theater companion; 4) My privacy and his privacy are more easily maintained. No home addresses need be shared by either party; 5) If I have rented a hotel room, I have already been at least partially vetted, in the sense that I have already given the hotel my real name, ID and a credit card number. I would not be motivated to cause a scene; 6) In-house security: I have never had anything go awry at a hotel, but if things started to get weird and my companion refused to leave, I would not hesitate to go to the front desk and ask for assistance. Hoteliers know full well what types of encounters go on every day in their properties, and they are far more likely to make sure that the safety of the person renting the room is the priority. For first-time encounters, I will have already secured anything of value or importance either in the room-safe or in the hotel safe. I would not hesitate leaving an unruly date alone while I went for help. Just my musings...

[buckguy]

In the past decade, it hasn't changed much in DC or the cities I visit for work (which are places like NYC, SF, etc.)

[+ harey]

I am probably a control freak but I'd NEVER hire an escort for an in-call. I only do out-calls and NEVER at my personal residence. I always book a room at a local hotel.

Same.

[LADoug1]

In the past I had gotten private rooms at Steamworks if the escort were willing as it's cheaper than a hotel. It wasn't my favorite place to go as it's dark and dingy with very small rooms. I would do this in Dallas too. Although even in Dallas, it still was not my favorite thing to do. But at least at The Club-Dallas the experience was nicer than at Steamworks in Seattle as The Club has some nicer rooms if you spring for more than those with just a basic pallet. But often escorts don't want to meet at bathhouses.

 

Gman

Why do some escorts prefer not to meet at a bathhouse?

[LADoug1]

NYC maxim: Friends and roommates come and go, but an apartment is forever--RENT CONTROL!!! I lived in the same 300 sq. ft. noisy ground floor front rundown apartment on Morton St. in the West Village (location is everything) for 14 years. I moved in at $265 per month and moved out 14 years later (it was 1991) at $405 per month due to the miracle of Rent Stabilization. I learned yesterday that a (OK much, much larger) one bedroom apartment in the renovated building right next door had just sold for $3.4 million. Today, I could not afford a one bedroom apartment in Jersey City! --let alone Brooklyn, and forget Manhattan altogether. In my tiny digs on Morton St. I learned to divide the space vertically (loft beds, etc.) to increase the square footage. After 20 years in Manhattan, in 1991 I was experiencing mid-life crisis, plus the quality of life in NYC had hit an all time low, so I fled to Los Angeles (to the abject horror of my NY friends) to reinvent myself. Wound up gazing at the ocean in Laguna Beach for 10 years. Ended up in Seattle and have no plans to leave the PNW.

PNW?

[+ WmClarke]

PNW?

Pacific NorthWest

[Gar1eth]

Why do some escorts prefer not to meet at a bathhouse?

 

There could be multiple reasons. If they are local, they may use it in their private life and not want to be seen doing business by people they might know (I think this was one reason given to me years ago for an escort not wanting to meet there). -i.e. the client might not be as hot as their usual hook-ups. Another reason might be they've never been to one and don't want to go. Or maybe they've been to them and aren't fond of them. Some may not like the rigmarole involved in renting a room or a locker-esp when waiting for a client they've never met before. They might also wonder if it's some kind of sting operation.

 

I'm sure there are more.

 

Gman

[pubic_assistance]

In my bias opinion, It can be very expensive to provide a comfortable nice incall location. Especially in major metropolitan cities. How much money do you think these guys make? (Not attacking but just food for thought)

Hunter is right. You want a young cute guy ? Well he's just probably starting out and trying to scrape together some cash to get ahead. Which means, small, apartment, room-mates, and places not central to where you want to be in a major city. On that subject....another reason to NOT BE CHEAP when you tip. That kid blows your mind...remember the rent is due.

[Gar1eth]

Hunter is right. You want a young cute guy ? Well he's just probably starting out and trying to scrape together some cash to get ahead. Which means, small, apartment, room-mates, and places not central to where you want to be in a major city. On that subject....another reason to NOT BE CHEAP when you tip. That kid blows your mind...remember the rent is due.

 

However there's a client side to this too. Escort fees haven't gotten any less expensive over time. And if the client can't meet at his place, then the costs of getting a room on top of the high escort fees may put hiring just out of the average guy's reach. The increasing escort fees in my opinion are moving this hobby out of a past-time that an ordinary guy can enjoy fairly frequently to one where only the higher earning white collar professions will be able to hire.

 

Gman

[hunterlee]

Hunter is right. You want a young cute guy ? Well he's just probably starting out and trying to scrape together some cash to get ahead. Which means, small, apartment, room-mates, and places not central to where you want to be in a major city. On that subject....another reason to NOT BE CHEAP when you tip. That kid blows your mind...remember the rent is due.

 

Thank you!