Session ends when the client cum?

[Juan Vancouver]

Son. Let me say one thing.

 

You're a Newbie here. Don't bash providers or partakers in a global fashion as you've done. You will receive the ire of many.

 

And to say that you plan "to liven thing (sic) up" you ain't seen nothin' yet! There are many of us here that could chew you up and spit you out in a New York minute.

 

Wow.

 

@javo, on behalf of the rest of the Message Center please let me apologize. You are welcome here and your opinion is always appreciated, whether some people might disagree with it or not. You were respectful and expressed yourself as an adult, which is much more than can be said about others.

 

Your opinion counts. We want to hear it. Especially if it adds a different perspective.

 

I'd say, fuck the ire of many, which I suspect is more the ire of two or three.

 

I'd stand back and watch quietly for a while - my recommendation.

 

I find this kind of threat incredibly sad. The "I'll shoot you if you disagree with me" mentality is completely out of place in a forum in which the whole point is learning from each other's points of view to enriched our experience.

[+ WmClarke]

Wow.

 

@javo, on behalf of the rest of the Message Center please let me apologize. You are welcome here and your opinion is always appreciated, whether some people might disagree with it or not. You were respectful and expressed yourself as an adult, which is much more than can be said about others.

 

Your opinion counts. We want to hear it. Especially if it adds a different perspective.

 

I'd say, fuck the ire of many, which I suspect is more the ire of two or three.

 

 

 

I find this kind of threat incredibly sad. The "I'll shoot you if you disagree with me" mentality is completely out of place in a forum in which the whole point is learning from each other's points of view to enriched our experience.

Juan,

 

What's missing from this thread, is javo's response to someone who mentioned hiring about 30 guys over the years.

 

wow "30"? can u imagine the diseases u spread lol

 

I believe the strong reactions to him in this thread are influenced by other posts such as that one.

[Juan Vancouver]

Juan,

 

What's missing from this thread, is javo's response to someone who mentioned hiring about 30 guys over the years.

 

I believe the strong reactions to him in this thread are influenced by other posts such as that one.

 

So do you feel an insensitive comment in another thread justifies an open threat of keeping his mouth shut, or else in this one?

 

If Javo showed disgust about the thousands of men with whom I have personally had sex, I believe that instead of threats and muzzling, what best would serve our community is to acknowledge this instance directly and talk it out, while continuing to value his opinion. If the insensitive comments continue or worsen, then I believe it would be in the community's best interest to report the posts and allow the moderators to do their jobs.

 

One insensitive post followed by a threat and we are back in the wild west.

 

One insensitive post followed by an open discussion creates a community.

 

I for one, am much more for the latter.

[Will Do]

Thanks @WmClarke.

 

Not only the thread in which the nasty "30" comment was entered. There are many more less-than-savory posts by Javo.

 

Slamming both purveyors and partakers. Perhaps those posts need to be reviewed - in or out of context of this thread and my posting. Prior to blessing him for his opinion.

[Juan Vancouver]

You are also entitled to have your own opinion and I welcome it. What I personally believe is not conducive to having a thriving community is creating an atmosphere of terror and vigilantism.

 

If you have found Javo's comments so offensive, I suggest you bring it to the moderator's attention.

 

If they decide to issue a threat or suspend him, then I am all for it.

 

The world is ugly enough as it is to come here and find threats and personal vendettas.

 

You deciding to chew him up and spit him out in a new york second makes you painfully akin to what you seem to be so offended by.

[tpl]

So I have recently hired someone for a two hour session and I finished after 75 minutes. Then in 5 minutes, he just started to clean up and prepare to leave. I don't mind he leaves in advance but I definitely prefer him to stay. Is it like a rule or something? If the client cums in the first 30 minutes of a one hour session, then it's finished?

I just had it happen today. An hour which turned into 40 minutes, and it seemed like he wanted me to leave. But, I have also had men who have stayed longer and talked for a long time. Tristan Baldwin is one who spends lots of quality time.

[+ WmClarke]

So do you feel an insensitive comment in another thread justifies an open threat of keeping his mouth shut, or else in this one?

I didn't say that. I just offered some explanation for the strong reaction(s) to his post.

[Will Do]

You are also entitled to have your own opinion and I welcome it. What I personally believe is not conducive to having a thriving community is creating an atmosphere of terror and vigilantism.

 

If you have found Javo's comments so offensive, I suggest you bring it to the moderator's attention.

 

If they decide to issue a threat or suspend him, then I am all for it.

 

The world is ugly enough as it is to come here and find threats and personal vendettas.

 

You deciding to chew him up and spit him out in a new york second makes you painfully akin to what you seem to be so offended by.

 

 

 

Juan, honey -

 

Yep, I may have been harsh in my instructions to @javo. I'll admit it.

 

I feel as lambasted by your words to me in your responses as much as you say I verbally accosted him.

 

And like you say The world is ugly enough as it is to come here and find threats and personal vendettas.

I had no PERSONAL VENDETTA against him ..............

 

All I was saying is that his forum posts - and you can find them for yourself, if you want to even look - were less than complimentary, basically shitty and rude to you providers and we hirers.

 

I'm just standing up for me and my fellow hirers and standing up for decent providers plus the likes of you.

[Juan Vancouver]

I feel as lambasted by your words to me in your responses as much as you say I verbally accosted him.

 

I respect your feelings and honour them. Feelings are a strange thing; they don't have to make sense, they don't have to be justified. They just are. I am sorry you are feeling lambasted.

 

Now, rationally, if you read my post carefully you will notice a huge difference between your post and mine. One of them exhibits civil disagreement and a desire to create connection, the other is only a threat to create fear and silence.

 

If you still think our posts are comparable in any way, then we don't have much about which we can talk.

 

I admire your desire to protect your peers, however misguided I believe it to be. -but it is not my place to decide whether it is punishable or not, There are moderators here with the ability to deal precisely with this kind of attacks. They can do the dirty work while the rest of us can remain civil.

 

That's the forum I miss.

 

Best wishes!

[Will Do]

I respect your feelings and honour them. Feelings are a strange thing; they don't have to make sense, they don't have to be justified. They just are. I am sorry you are feeling lambasted.

 

Now, rationally, if you read my post carefully you will notice a huge difference between your post and mine. One of them exhibits civil disagreement and a desire to create connection, the other is only a threat to create fear and silence.

 

If you still think our posts are comparable in any way, then we don't have much about which we can talk.

 

I admire your desire to protect your peers, however misguided I believe it to be. -but it is not my place to decide whether it is punishable or not, There are moderators here with the ability to deal precisely with this kind of attacks. They can do the dirty work while the rest of us can remain civil.

 

That's the forum I miss.

 

Best wishes!

 

Juan -

 

Your most recent post addressing me leads me to believe that you feel you're are always right, all-knowing and should have the singular last word. That's what I think. Merely my opinion.

 

I feel my opinion counts for naught with you and, furthermore, I've seen where you question (attack) others' opinions. Yours seems supreme.

 

You don't agree with me, I don't agree with you.

 

I'd appreciate it if you choose, though I don't expect that you will, to cease the pontificating and let this one go. I plan to.

 

It's getting tiresome, you know, JD............oops, I meant JB?!!???

 

Best wishes to you!

[+ Italiano]

That was my disappointment in my session with gorgeous PR Miguel in NYC a few years ago.

 

He was SO good that while he was pounding me I basically came 20 minutes after the hour started. He immediately jumped out of the bed and started to clean up and dress (there was no "shit incident" at all, by the way!).

I would have loved to have another round (I can do that with 5-10 minutes break..) but his behavior made me feel a bit uncomfortable and after cleaning up and dressing up I left. Yes, I could have told him, but somehow he broke the magic of those 20 minutes.

I guess it was my fault...

[ncc1701d]

That was my disappointment in my session with gorgeous PR Miguel in NYC a few years ago.

 

He was SO good that while he was pounding me I basically came 20 minutes after the hour started. He immediately jumped out of the bed and started to clean up and dress (there was no "shit incident" at all, by the way!).

I would have loved to have another round (I can do that with 5-10 minutes break..) but his behavior made me feel a bit uncomfortable and after cleaning up and dressing up I left. Yes, I could have told him, but somehow he broke the magic of those 20 minutes.

I guess it was my fault...

 

Also just had a 90 min massage end after 60. Yes I could have sat there and asked for another 30 min, but for me the mood was gone, he was dressed and checking his phone. So forcing the issue would have resulted in an awkward 30 min of him constantly checking the clock, and me not enjoying myself. A lose lose situation. He just lost a repeat client and any good "word of mouth" here and on other sites. His lost in my opinion.

[+ Socalguy]

Well said darlin! I would NEVER cut a session early and don't consider an orgasm to mark the end of a session. HELL, I don't even think that cumming is an essential part of sex. It's too often seen as the goal of sex. .... I personally love doing craniosacral massage on my client after they have had an orgasm and their entire body is relaxed, that's the TRUE "happy-ending".

 

I think I just came reading this

[+ Keith30309]

That was my disappointment in my session with gorgeous PR Miguel in NYC a few years ago.

 

He was SO good that while he was pounding me I basically came 20 minutes after the hour started. He immediately jumped out of the bed and started to clean up and dress (there was no "shit incident" at all, by the way!).

I would have loved to have another round (I can do that with 5-10 minutes break..) but his behavior made me feel a bit uncomfortable and after cleaning up and dressing up I left. Yes, I could have told him, but somehow he broke the magic of those 20 minutes.

I guess it was my fault...

 

Also just had a 90 min massage end after 60. Yes I could have sat there and asked for another 30 min, but for me the mood was gone, he was dressed and checking his phone. So forcing the issue would have resulted in an awkward 30 min of him constantly checking the clock, and me not enjoying myself. A lose lose situation. He just lost a repeat client and any good "word of mouth" here and on other sites. His lost in my opinion.

 

I hope you guys have the opportunity to submit reviews so others are aware.

[+ Travis69]

Before the fun starts "I really enjoy some cuddle time after the orgasm too". Before a massage starts "Glad you were available for a 90 minute massage. 60 minutes is never enough for me. I enjoy every minute of a massage".

[LADoug1]

That was my disappointment in my session with gorgeous PR Miguel in NYC a few years ago.

 

He was SO good that while he was pounding me I basically came 20 minutes after the hour started. He immediately jumped out of the bed and started to clean up and dress (there was no "shit incident" at all, by the way!).

I would have loved to have another round (I can do that with 5-10 minutes break..) but his behavior made me feel a bit uncomfortable and after cleaning up and dressing up I left. Yes, I could have told him, but somehow he broke the magic of those 20 minutes.

I guess it was my fault...

Why would you think it was your fault? A good escort who is topping can/should gauge whether the client is about to cum. Maybe then he can stop and take a break and then resume the action again. This will prolong the enjoyment for the client and give the client the entire time for which the escort was booked. Either way if PR left before the hour was up it was NOT your fault.

[+ Italiano]

Why would you think it was your fault? A good escort who is topping can/should gauge whether the client is about to cum. Maybe then he can stop and take a break and then resume the action again. This will prolong the enjoyment for the client and give the client the entire time for which the escort was booked. Either way if PR left before the hour was up it was NOT your fault.

My "fault" was not to tell him immediately that I wasn't pleased with his reaction. That's what I meant

[+ Eric Hassan]

Well said darlin! I would NEVER cut a session early and don't consider an orgasm to mark the end of a session. HELL, I don't even think that cumming is an essential part of sex. It's too often seen as the goal of sex. Of course, if the client chooses to cut the session short, that's their choice, but the only times that has happend with me has been with "straight" guys, who are immediately struck with anxiety about what they just did and aren't interested in intimacy or affection (makes me sad, but what can I do?). This is another reason why one shouldn't be a clock-watcher, but should have a clock within view, to make sure they never cut a session short. I personally love doing craniosacral massage on my client after they have had an orgasm and their entire body is relaxed, that's the TRUE "happy-ending".

 

LOVE! I always say sex is a LOT more than a hard cock and a cumshot.

[mike carey]

LOVE! I always say sex is a LOT more than a hard cock and a cumshot.

Regardless of what you actually say in here, the things you post in the places I've seen you send exactly that message.

[+ Truereview]

Regardless of what you actually say in here, the things you post in the places I've seen you send exactly that message.

Lawd have mercy! I nominate Mike Carey for FOE - Flirt of the Year! The man is unstoppable! What are we to do when he seduces every escort in here with his sexy Australian text? I'm onto you, mister!

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[mike carey]

Lawd have mercy! I nominate Mike Carey for FOE - Flirt of the Year! The man is unstoppable! What are we to do when he seduces every escort in here with his sexy Australian text? I'm onto you, mister!

I think they have seen it all before, so I'm not sure my 'flirting' has any effect. That said, if I were in the same city I would probably be more careful.

[jjkrkwood]

LOVE! I always say sex is a LOT more than a hard cock and a cumshot.

 

 

You are right, There's the PAYMENT too !

 

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[MrMattBig]

But if it's happening right then, you have a chance to say something and get what you want.

 

Just phrase it as a simple request--"Can't we cuddle for a few minutes before you leave?"

 

If he stays, great! If not, at least you tried

 

If you do mention in a review, then you can phrase it very neutrally: "I asked him to cuddle since we had time left, but he said he had to go."

 

A very professional way to handle the situation. If the action ends early, for me I always clean up, wash hands, etc. I leave it up to the client on whether he proceeds to get dressed or lay back on the bed, and then I follow suit.

 

If a client books me for an appointment I never rush out the front door when the hour is up. I feel like it voids a positive experience. For me, I leave everything in the clients hands.

[alexslaveboy]

A very professional way to handle the situation. If the action ends early, for me I always clean up, wash hands, etc. I leave it up to the client on whether he proceeds to get dressed or lay back on the bed, and then I follow suit.

 

If a client books me for an appointment I never rush out the front door when the hour is up. I feel like it voids a positive experience. For me, I leave everything in the clients hands.

 

MrMattBig

Bravo young man!!! Well said!

you are a respectful person and your post hopefully will teach others!

 

I've had 1 hour sessions with an escort go the full hour plus chat at the beginning and end beyond the initial hr (so sometimes I'll tip the escort beyond the set rate) and I've just recently had a session that lasted 20 minutes chatted for another 20 and then he left and I said nothing but felt a little ripped off!

So you live and learn!

 

Regards

Alex

[manderville]

So glad you said that. Recently was with someone who wanted to use the shower after my finale. Although we still had some time left, he didn't invite me to join him, nor did I ask if I could join him. To be honest, it wasn't until a day or two after, when looking back on our experience, I began to feel somewhat dejected for his not asking me to join him, and then began to feel he used our time to clean up for his next client (early in our meeting he told me he had a client booked an hour after our scheduled end time). I'm now trying to figure out how best to bring this it up to him privately if or when I decide to meet with him again.

I've had this happen with a well-reviewed escort who also posts here. Perhaps he does that with all his clients, but from his glowing reviews I don't get that feeling.