Couple of things...

[Nvr2Thick]

I walked into a smoothie shop the other day. There were no customers, and the guy at the counter was ready to take my order. The menu on the wall was not complicated, but it took some time to figure out how it was organized. Counter guy was impatient; borderline rude. I was not going to let anyone stress me out, so I set his attitude aside and took my time. Another customer came in -- counter guy's buddy or a regular. I graciously stepped aside. While he was helping this guy a young woman came up to the counter and greeted me. She had a very friendly way of explaining the way the menu was organized by type and need, and the pricing by size, and the extras. I had just about figured out everything she explained anyway, but she asked a few questions and made a recommendation. This was a person who knew how to engage with the customer.

 

When I travel to a city and try to hire an escort I've studied the ads for quite a while, and I usually have my top five potential hires picked out. When I call I'm always quite nervous though. I get a bit less confident with each call as one guy might answer the phone and the next might go to voice mail. When I connect with an escort I know who I'm talking to, but most details fly out of my head. I may be so uptight that I actually ask questions even though I know the answer.. The best escorts are not the frustrated, impatient ones. The ones that draw me in have a way of clearly and enthusiastically explaining what they're about, and what the details and constraints are.

[down_to_business]

So escorts (generalization) don't need me and I don't need you... good to know I guess.

 

I think I am learning a lot about escorting from this thread!

 

Do any escorts actually want customers these days?

 

And IMO you don't have any right to be offended when you get questioned on information about information in your ad because of your fellow escorts who have paved the way with countless untruths, omissions, inaccuracies, and outright lies and fabrications with their ads.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Do you think that saying "the client is always right" means that you have to accept abusive or offensive behavior, or just rude behavior? I don't think so. This is just another example of avoiding the fact that if you are in the service industry you are to serve the customers needs. I am sure there are moronic questions, and I am sure there are clients that are harassers, but that is not the case often in this forum. I may be wrong of course, I am pretty new here, but I do have the feeling that often some escorts complain about really pity stuff. And, Mr. Wolf, some of the examples of questions that "infuriate" you, are good example of pity stuff. But who cares? I am not interested in hiring a guy who thinks he is too good to answer questions from potential clients, and I am sure you would "fire" me as a client because I am not willing to kiss your spoiled ass.

[RadioRob]

I think an escort has every right to feel frustrated when info is clearly spelled out and missed for whatever reason. However at the same time, how that frustration is handled is important.

 

I may be sitting on the phone thinking a rock has a higher IQ than the person I'm talking to. However I'll still be polite and answer the question. I might even politely drop a hint as to where the info might be found for future sake.

 

Way back in the days where AOL was still a "thing", they had a motto for their chat hosts... SMILE FROM THE WRISTS DOWN. I've applied that in other areas of my life when dealing with customers, potential customers, and vendors. I may vent to someone else, afterwards I might tell the dog what a moron I just dealt with, but the customer does not see it.

[RadioRob]

Now with that said, there is a difference between someone not reading or "getting it" and someone who is mean or abusive. I always start politely. I'll even give you a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. But if you're clearly being an asshat, you will be shown the door with no fucks given.

 

Respect is a two way street. If you can't figure that out even after given a chance, as the saying goes... "I can't be bothered."

[+ José Soplanucas]

Lol! Your many graduate classes. Good for you for needing to brag your diplomas in an argument. And another good example of how you probably think you are better than others. The kind of spoiled attitudes we were talking about.

[down_to_business]

Well if we didn't we wouldn't be escorts and there wouldn't be any for y'all to hire.

 

 

 

I believe some are talking about just one or two questions and others about every detail that is posted online. However, when it is constant, you begin to believe something is wrong with your ad in general ( such as RentMen changing details without your permission *cough**cough* ). It can be a bit offensive to us putting this thought into our ads when in reality we should probably just throw our phone number up on Twitter without any other details and call it a day.

 

One item I am working on is an auto-responder for anyone who is new to contacting me to reiterate a few details about me, my services, rates, location, etc.

 

 

 

Sorry for trying to utilize my education to give a business lesson. Guess I'm the asshat. This will be another example of an escort whom will slowly stop utilizing this forum because opinions are criticized as us being over-entitled assholes.

 

 

I sure hope it wasn't any of my comments or opinions that offended you because nothing I said was directed at you specifically. I also find your input very valuable, informative, and don't feel belittled or like I need to take a shower after reading it, even if I happen to disagree (not that I often or ever do). And yes, there are some that make me feel that way.

 

So maybe nothing you have said on this forum has made me try and run out and specifically hire you, but nothing you have said or done would have dissuaded me from doing so either. What it has done is made me a little sad that I don't know you in the real world because you seem like you would have been a really cool guy to have known outside of the biz. In any case, I hope you choose to stay active. I for one, appreciate you! I know I am not the only one.

[+ saminseattle]

I’ve seen a number of threads where people complain (some might say “whine”) about the price of hiring escorts. But I suspect that what may seem to be a high hourly rate is at least partly a reflection of all the time that escorts must have to spend responding to general inquiries and chatting with prospective clients—even though many of those prospects may never becoming paying customers. When some folks waste escorts’ time by failing to do even the most basic research first, the effect is increased prices for all.

[+ not2rowdy]

Sorry for trying to utilize my education to give a business lesson....

 

Don’t be sorry. I, for one, have no problem whatsoever knowing your educational background, professional training, business knowledge or anything else about yourself you are willing to share. It all helps to identify you in my mind. For example, in the past you've shared insightful knowledge about Information Technology. I certainly respect that. I’ll even go so far to say that “you’re far better than me” in that area of knowledge. And it doesn’t bother me in the least to state it.

 

This will be another example of an escort whom will slowly stop utilizing this forum because opinions are criticized....

 

In my opinion that would be a sad and most unfortunate loss for the forum. I appreciate your contributions.

[jjkrkwood]

I’ve seen a number of threads where people complain (some might say “whine”) about the price of hiring escorts. But I suspect that what may seem to be a high hourly rate is at least partly a reflection of all the time that escorts must have to spend responding to general inquiries and chatting with prospective clients—even though many of those prospects may never becoming paying customers. When some folks waste escorts’ time by failing to do even the most basic research first, the effect is increased prices for all.

 

 

That's ridiculous. Asking a question, even if the answer is obvious, takes seconds. What happened to the "customer is always right approach" ? I dont advocate wasting an escorts time, and you should be serious about the potential hire, but if an escort refuses, or has no time to answer my question, Fuck him. That's unprofessional and RUDE...and implies to me he's not interested in my business.. so ill take it elsewhere....

[+ saminseattle]

That's ridiculous. Asking a question, even if the answer is obvious, takes seconds. What happened to the "customer is always right approach" ? I dont advocate wasting an escorts time, and you should be serious about the potential hire, but if an escort refuses, or has no time to answer my question, Fuck him. That's unprofessional and RUDE...and implies to me he's not interested in my business.. so ill take it elsewhere....

 

I think we’ve sort of escalated into extremes here. I admit that it’s probably not that big a deal to miss something in an advertisement and ask about it even if you should probably already know the answer. And I would guess that most of the time escorts patiently reiterate the information. But I also think that it is really they who are in the best position to know how much time they have to waste on such inquiries. Apparently, in extreme cases, the same people sometimes ask the same questions over and over. And when you combine that with all the other time wasting that escorts have to deal with, I think it’s only logical to expect that it would have some impact on their hourly rates.

 

In any event, I think they certainly have the right to be annoyed about it, and surely with all the other silliness that goes on here, this message board can be a place to vent about things that are annoying.*

 

*And with this message, I’ve apparently just become a “master,” so I must know what I’m talking about

[jimboivyo]

kurtis, it's a losing battle with these guys. step away from the bomb

 

They're fine with hookers as long as they act like hookers. the second a smart one speaks up or seems confident of themselves, the pile on begins

 

you're making sense and didn't say anything wrong. you just didn't come across as polly anna or subservient. that's clearly what they want.

[+ glennnn]

Wow! What a spat! Everyone return to a neutral corner. I don't pick up any deep disrespect from anyone on this Forum, just some occasional polarization when we feel strongly about a topic. Both points of view here have merit IMHO. Customers who make jobs harder are a the very least annoying, and need to be educated as to the rules of engagement.

 

However, hiring an escort, for many, is a scary, anxious and expensive, not to mention illegal, activity, and nervous, perhaps boorish, behavior may occur. I expect, nay I hope, that the escort I select will help me to be the communicative client that allows him to be the very best escort he can be for me. This presupposes questions and answers from both parties. There is a wide field of potential agreement between the two extreme and contentious opposing positions on this issue.

 

One should strive to be both a good provider and a good consumer in life.

 

God, I hope I don't bring a shit shower down on myself by mixing in to this discussion. It really isn't my business; I am a thoughtful and kind client and my escorts have been professional, but warm and caring. I'm personally more than content; I'm ecstatic!

[+ not2rowdy]

...So much so anyone new contacting me will be interacting with WolfeBot here in about a week or two when attempting to book....

 

Critical feedback.

 

I have concerns regarding this concept. I’m an old fart. I get upset with these newfangled automated answering systems. My experience with satellite TV customer service robots has typically caused me to seek new providers. I hate those damn self check out lanes at the grocery store. I get frustrated with bank tellers that are always pushing me to get a debit card so I can just swipe it to input my customer info in front of them. The bottom line is I want to talk to a real person. I know you’re an IT expert - but you have a super challenge ahead of you if you think a prospective client is going to put up with a “push 1 for…” I hope you have a Plan B.

[killianjamesnyc]

I don't think asking relevant, straight forward questions is a big deal but entertaining open ended questions are. Open ended questions such as "what will you Do to me" "what are you into" are signs of a potential time waster, but not always. The most complex questions I've run into are "where do you host" "do you do XYZ..." "Will you cum". A great way to deflect someone you think might be wasting your time is to put the ball in their court with a simple recommendation that they "...please check out my multiple reviews on RM and Daddys to understand the types of experiences I offer. I'll be happy to answer any specific questions about your needs. Please write them in an email or text message so we can cover everything at once." I understand the frustration. Taking time out to write an amazing blurb and he didn't even read it. All he saw was a hot picture and dialed the number. It is what it is, but let's not make it what it's not. We can't expect everyone who hires us to even care to read our profiles, read our reviews and read up on every small detail of our escorting career. Answering a few relevant straight forward questions isn't a terrible inconvenience. Keeping a positive attitude and avoiding frustration while filtering any BS is the best way to avoid lashing out when serious hiring requests come in.

[+ purplekow]

I feel you bvb. They are not right. They are in the service industry, where the client is always right. Unfortunately we tend to enable and spoil them in this forum.

Clients are frequently wrong. The arrogance of monied individuals and the providers's need to keep a service business going forces service providers to kowtow to clients, but it is not because the clients are right.

[jjkrkwood]

This who's right and who's wrong psychology is utter bullshit. Noone is to blame for anything. Each party, client and escort has a right and perrogative to behave in a manner comfortable for them, remembering that this is a business transaction, and a substantial amount of money will be changing hands.. Questions will be asked and negotiations may occur. But each party also has the option of walking away if they dont like the others behavior or they determine the fit is not right. Throwing BLAME around is silly, childish and offensive. Just conduct the business like fucking adults who are serious about forging a connection.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Killian James displays the professional attitude I find more appropriate.

[killianjamesnyc]

This who's right and who's wrong psychology is utterly bullshit. Noone is to blame for anything. Each party, client and escort has a right and perrogative to behave in a manner comfortable for them, remembering that this is a business transaction, and a substantial amount of money will be changing hands.. Questions will be asked and negotiations may occur. But each party also has the option of walking away if they dont like the others behavior or they determine the fit is not right. Throwing BLAME around is silly, childish and offensive. Just conduct the business like fucking adults who are serious about forging a connection.

 

I agree with this 100%. No one is right or wrong. Everyone can conduct themselves the way they want but will have to live with the outcome of it, which is a client gained or lost.

[killianjamesnyc]

Killian James displays the professional attitude I find more appropriate.

 

I had to go through a lot of prospecting when I was a trainer. Not everyone I met with bought a training package on the spot, sometimes it'd be months later, and many times it'd be never. There was a pretty good way of knowing who was serious and who wasn't. The serious clients kept all their questions focused on themselves, and I'd answer them in a way that personal training could benefit their need (weight loss, mass gain, health concerns and so on.) The people who didn't buy would almost always ask general questions on the equipment and want to be shown how to use it. Same thing with my examples. "what will you do to me" is not customer needs focused and more likely than not he's touching himself when your telling him. "I really like to be spanked hard bent over the sofa, are you comfortable with that?" This question is specific in that the client needs something and confirming you can provide it.

[bigvalboy]

I think there are elements of right and wrong with every argument here. The fact of the matter is, as a species we are flawed, that's just the way it is, so there will always be escorts and clients who behave badly. As Killian mentions, each party has a right to conduct business as they see fit, and each person has the option to walk away. In the end, I believe that when these negotiations work, it is because of a mutual respect for one another.

 

Much of the discussion here started out with people talking about how they dealt with difficult clients and or customers. I disagreed with much of that. I can only speak to my own experience. When I was in business, I had many difficult clients. Some of those I chose to keep (my prerogative) and others I chose not to, whether it was because they were difficult or I was lied to, or was cheated out of a commission, it doesn't really matter, what mattered is how I ended it, so yes, I would often just simply walk away. This doesn't work for everyone, but it works for me.

 

So if I contact an escort, and he is irritated by my questions, or by an email or text message, or the color of my skin or my age, or my bald head, or I happen to ask about something that is clearly in his ad, that I misread or misunderstood, or whatever, and he shows even an inkling of an attitude, whether by actions or words, I simply walk way, and go on to someone else, pretty simple really. There are far too many great escorts out there to worry about a handful that are not a match for me.

 

Damn...3 paragraphs, I'm almost like that guy, what's his name? Oh yeah, @stevenkesslar . And yes, I almost said 'whore'...but I refrained, because it is really a matter of respect.

[+ quoththeraven]

Do you think that saying "the client is always right" means that you have to accept abusive or offensive behavior, or just rude behavior? I don't think so. This is just another example of avoiding the fact that if you are in the service industry you are to serve the customers needs. I am sure there are moronic questions, and I am sure there are clients that are harassers, but that is not the case often in this forum.

 

Maybe I'm being overly literal, but "the client is always right" is not equivalent to "do everything you reasonably can to meet the client's needs," which is the customer service ethos I want. I have seen, in retail situations, unreasonable and abusive customers catered to and policies broken because "the customer is always right."

 

I feel like from this and other posts on this thread you (and maybe some others) don't understand my position, so I'll spell it out. Of course the escort should be helpful and polite even if the person calling is asking about information that's in the profile the escort has spent time crafting and should stay helpful and polite to the end unless the caller becomes abusive, at which point hanging up may be the only option. But that doesn't mean the caller gets to keep the escort on the phone for as long as he pleases, either. There is a point -- and those of us who are not escorts don't know where it is because we don't have experience with it -- past which even the most well-intentioned call affects the escort's ability to deal with other clients, appointments, and the like. Time is not infinite.

 

The distinctions Killian makes between people who ask specific questions and open-ended one makes sense to me as a way of separating out who's ready to commit to meeting and those who aren't. Some proportion of the latter category are people who never intended to hire and are deliberately wasting the escort's time. Others need time to think about the situation. It may not be easy to distinguish. "Take a look at my ad and e-mail or text me specific inquiries" is a great way to end the conversation, but I'll bet it doesn't always work.

 

By the same token, once a caller has gotten a response like "no, I don't/can't do incalls," arguing with the escort about it suggests that the caller is not a good fit for that escort both because the caller is looking for an incall (as is his prerogative even if he could possibly do an outcall) and because the caller is being an ass about it. Ending the conversation then with a "then this isn't going to work" is more respectful of the caller's time (because now he's wasting his time arguing with the escort rather than moving on) as well as the escort's. That kind of client -- the one who won't take "no" for an answer -- is the type I suggested in my original response was not worth having anyway.

 

As others have said, ultimately it's a matter of what arrangements work for each person involved. Each is free to walk away and move on to the next caller or escort. There are times when escorts response to inquiries are rude, unreasonable or not conducive to obtaining business. There are times when clients are rude, unreasonable, or act in a way not conducive to transacting business. It's not all one way or the other.

[+ WilliamM]

urtis, it's a losing battle with these guys. step away from the bomb

 

They're fine with hookers as long as they act like hookers. the second a smart one speaks up or seems confident of themselves, the pile on begins

 

"these guys?" Good way to insult everyone in such a sweeping general statement.

[+ quoththeraven]

What examples from the forum do you consider abuse of escorts?

 

That gets into territory that is beyond the question at hand. So does the comment about enabling or spoiling escorts to which I responded.

 

That said, maybe "abuse" is the wrong term. "Counterproductive criticism," maybe? Criticism of the body or look of an escort ("he should hit the gym") as if the comments were made in a room he didn't have access to. Some of the negative discussions of escorts in the Deli. Some questions that it would be useful to have answers to being no win situations for escorts to answer honestly because too many clients don't want to hear the answers.

 

An example that is not abuse or criticism but which shows that escort participation around here can be a no-win situation: A client/potential client contacting an escort to complain about him spending time posting on the forum rather than responding to his inquiry -- an example that ties into the original topic. (Hey, I got to use this as Exhibit A even sooner than expected!)

 

It's not extending to escorts the same level of courtesy for having a viewpoint that is extended to other clients and the attitude that client posters here can say whatever they want about escorts however hurtfully they want. They're human beings with feelings too and their own points of view, not taxis or widgets.

 

It's often been expressed here that providing a satisfying experience to people who are older, overweight, or otherwise unattractive is the most difficult part of being an escort. I think having to put oneself out there for public consumption without letting that mess you up is the most difficult part of being an escort and that if any client were subjected to the kind of responses that putting oneself out there elicits (see link above for some mild examples), they'd run for the hills.

[jjkrkwood]

"these guys?" Good way to insult everyone in such a sweeping general statement.

 

One wouldn't expect anything "less" from Jimbo. He's one charming guy.