Hagglers?

[GeneKlein]

I've only gotten 2 so far but I was wondering if this was a common occurrence. We get through talking, practically setting an appointment and then they turn and say they don't have much money or some recent financial pitfall has hit.

 

Does anyone else run into this?

[JDXXX]

I've only gotten 2 so far but I was wondering if this was a common occurrence. We get through talking, practically setting an appointment and then they turn and say they don't have much money or some recent financial pitfall has hit.

 

Does anyone else run into this?

 

Hi Gene,

 

Welcome to the club, baby boy as it happens a lot in the escorting world. Almost every escort I know has been through this problem as it's nothing new under the sun.

 

Always best to remain the sexy professional that you are, and keep your head up by tending to the next client that'll come your way.

 

As they say " when one door closes, another one opens". .

 

Do wish you a lot of success, and sorry that this happened to you.

 

Stay positive, baby - Don't let these players get you down.

[+ Just Sayin]

early in my legal career, an older attorney stated to me when discussing this issue that "A professional does not bargain for his fees;" if your fees are fair and reasonable, hold firm

[beachboy]

You're a professional & 'A labourer is worthy of his hire.' As a client I hire on the basis of what is written on the guy's profile including the rate. I may ask the rate for multiple hours but never haggle. You know what you're worth so don't bother with cheapskates. If you deliver what you promise you've lived up to your end of the bargain. In this life you get what you pay for. Good luck to you fella! PS. That is one hot avatar!!

[GeneKlein]

Thank you so much, guys! I always keep it professional with my response. So far it's only gotten in the way of me meeting another person once but I didn't sweat it. I guess it's just the law of averages in play.

[MikeyGMin]

If they can't afford to pay they shouldn't be playing. You're actually doing them a favor by turning them away if they are struggling so much. They are also likely to be a pain in the ass (and not in a good way) in other ways once you meet.

[jjkrkwood]

Well swap meats are an American pastime, and some people just cant shake that behavior....

[jimboivyo]

if they begin with a haggle, cut them loose. bad way to start

[Kevin Slater]

if they begin with a haggle, cut them loose. bad way to start

 

Yup. When I was new at this I tried accommodating a couple hagglers. They were far less respectful than the average client and tried to push their luck at every turn.

 

Then came the clever ones who claimed "I want someone on a twice-a-week basis. Can we do it regularly for less?" Of course it was just a one-off. (I've since arrived at the answer "Sure. It's always full rate the first time, but second appointment in a week we can discount.")

 

One of my buds here in NYC makes it clear he's firm on his first hour, but once that's met, he's willing to negotiate more time or what have you. I say those negotiations can happen after a first successful meeting.

 

Kevin Slater

[mattr]

I never haggle. That said, I don't have any qualms asking about the rate for multiple hours since it is not always a direct multiple of the single hour rate. Once the rate is quoted however, I simply decide if I want to indulge or not. No haggling. I also am a little leery of escorts who lower the rate once I pass on a meeting. I am always concerned that the escort will be resentful of having to cut his rate and that will be reflected in the experience.

[+ azdr0710]

I agree with mattr above that multiple-hour meetings often reap a lower per-hour average rate.....but I never ask in a "c'mon, what sorta deal can ya give me?" manner....I simply say I'd like to go for a couple or three hours and ask what is the rate for his time for this plan - this after establishing some rapport and respect.....a couple or three guys have not offered multiple-hour discounts (still met them).....other well-known, very attractive guys have offered remarkably low multiple-hour rates

 

gotta say the only time I really "haggled" was with a past-his-prime former porn actor who admitted one of his hands was in a cast....I used the cast situation to haggle a bit (really wanted to see this guy!) and he agreed to a lower rate.....the meet went fine and there were no apparent hard feelings and there was no limited interaction.....

 

ultimately, haggling is unattractive.....

[+ glennnn]

This is why I strongly prefer that rates be shown on the escort's page. I can decide if I can afford it or not with no haggling or embarrassment to any one. When the ad says, "Ask" under rates, I don't usually proceed, because it gives me that "If you have to ask the price you can't afford it" vibe, like in a restaurant where the menu doesn't show prices.

[MiamiLooker]

This is why I strongly prefer that rates be shown on the escort's page. I can decide if I can afford it or not with no haggling or embarrassment to any one. When the ad says, "Ask" under rates, I don't usually proceed, because it gives me that "If you have to ask the price you can't afford it" vibe, like in a restaurant where the menu doesn't show prices.

 

Is it that you’re not sure you can afford to pay the rate, or you’re skeptical that the service provided is worth it to you?

[jjkrkwood]

I am not sure why "haggling" gets a bad rap ? It's a natural part of most business transactions. Most of the "Big Dogs" do it all the time.. I prefer to call it "negotiation", and oft times it has a positive result.

 

Don't ask, and you wont receive. It doesn't diminish either party's worth to simply ASK... The answer might sometimes surprise you.

[MikeyGMin]

I am not sure why "haggling" gets a bad rap ? It's a natural part of most business transactions. Most of the "Big Dogs" do it all the time.. I prefer to call it "negotiation", and oft times it has a positive result.

 

Don't ask, and you wont receive. It doesn't diminish either party's worth to simply ASK... The answer might sometimes surprise you.

 

Mostly because as azdr says...it is unattractive. Especially if you're not the kind of guy who only wants to hit it once and move on. If you are thinking about it being a regular thing then not being cheap is a very attractive quality in a regular client. I can't turn myself into a hot muscle bear, but I can be good (generous) to my regular guy.

 

Would you haggle with the person who cuts your hair or provides other personal services?

[jjkrkwood]

Mostly because as azdr says...it is unattractive. Especially if you're not the kind of guy who only wants to hit it once and move on. If you are thinking about it being a regular thing then not being cheap is a very attractive quality in a regular client. I can't turn myself into a hot muscle bear, but I can be good (generous) to my regular guy.

 

Would you haggle with the person who cuts your hair or provides other personal services?

 

Initially Yes I would, but once I would settle into a regular routine with that person, No I wouldn't. I'm not certain who gave this behavior the label "unattractive", but I would say its more "business savvy".. I really wouldn't be too concerned how I look to a New escort. If he's turned off by the question, then I move on to another escort. I gave up allowing myself to be intimidated a long time ago. Intimidation does not serve you well.

[MiamiLooker]

Mostly because as azdr says...it is unattractive. Especially if you're not the kind of guy who only wants to hit it once and move on. If you are thinking about it being a regular thing then not being cheap is a very attractive quality in a regular client. I can't turn myself into a hot muscle bear, but I can be good (generous) to my regular guy.

 

Would you haggle with the person who cuts your hair or provides other personal services?

 

“Cheap” is a relative term. Some folks might pay $500 for a haircut and others might be perfectly happy with a $10 haircut.

[MikeyGMin]

Initially Yes I would, but once I would settle into a regular routine with that person, No I wouldn't. I'm not certain who gave this behavior the label "unattractive", but I would say its more "business savvy".. I really wouldn't be too concerned how I look to a New escort. If he's turned off by the question, then I move on to another escort. I gave up allowing myself to be intimidated a long time ago. Intimidation does not serve you well.

 

There has always been, and always will be two camps when it comes to this topic. It has a lot to do with people's general attitude toward money and the nature of this particular transaction. I'm very particular about the escorts that I approach, so I don't find them so interchangeable that I want to just "move on to another."

 

I don't think intimidation has anything to do with it. You think of it as being business savvy behavior. I just think it is kind of crass. (I tried to make that sound less snobbish, but couldn't think of a good word.) I'm very happy with the results I get and the way I feel afterwards. If someone else gets positive results and also saves a few bucks. More power to them. It's just not worth that $50 or $100 to me.

[bigvalboy]

I used to pay $500 for haircuts, but as I got older, I was able to negotiate the price down...

 

 

 

I'm quite the little haggler...

[+ glennnn]

Is it that you’re not sure you can afford to pay the rate, or you’re skeptical that the service provided is worth it to you?

 

That is an excellent question that has made me pause and reflect. I guess it is both. Mostly, I'm shy and hesitant about asking anyone for anything... a favor, a discount, help. I willingly and gladly accept what is offered, but can't ask, especially with other men. Perhaps, it is a fear of appearing weak or needy developed over a lifetime of feeling outside of straight male society. It always hurt so badly to be socially rejected that I assiduously avoid male/male confrontation. Preserving my dignity is everything. Does this make sense?

[jjkrkwood]

That is an excellent question that has made me pause and reflect. I guess it is both. Mostly, I'm shy and hesitant about asking anyone for anything... a favor, a discount, help. I willingly and gladly accept what is offered, but can't ask, especially with other men. Perhaps, it is a fear of appearing weak or needy developed over a lifetime of feeling outside of straight male society. It always hurt so badly to be socially rejected that I assiduously avoid male/male confrontation. Preserving my dignity is everything. Does this make sense?

 

Many people feel as you do, but think of the feeling of empowerment you would get if you were able to overcome that. Simply negotiating a price with an escort behind a computer screen shouldn't be intimidating. You don't know him (YET), and he doesn't know you. If he lowers his price, it's in your favor. If he doesn't, you either move on, or pay asking price. There should be no guilt here. As has been discussed many times, our behavior and persona's are often based on shame, guilt, bullying etc... Its a learned response. When you put up barriers against those things and go with your heart and good judgement, most often the results are surprisingly positive.

[Jock123]

I agree with @MikeyGMin ...Its Unattractive. I wouldnt call it "Business-Savy" at all. From an Escorts Perspective if someone asks me to lower my rate I Immediately see a Red Flag. Sometimes this can mean they simply cant afford it...and quite Frankly probably shouldnt be Hiring In the First place. You contacted me...You reached out to me...Not the other way around. Some of these guys You can sense the resentment that they have for even hiring(I will never understand this)

 

From Experience I have found my Most Odd/Difficult Encounters have ALWAYS been with those who have asked for me to lower my rate. Which I always found Odd as You're already doing them a Favor. But of course thats never Enough. As @Kevin Slater mentioned these are always the people that like to test Your Limits etc. One Client after "Haggling" with my Fee over Emails...had me Drive 4 Hours(One way) to meet him. After Dinner/Drinks(It was suppose to be an Overnight) He had the balls to Basically tell me He was flat broke. I was Pissed. Then he Expected a Pass because he was In his own words "Hot". I was Offended. "What are You Insinuating about my Clients?" I asked him. The attitude of "I'm hot so I shouldnt have to pay for it" Is all a myth. I've had Attractive clients, Younger clients(Even early 20's) etc etc etc. To be honest I dont care what You look like. One of my most Favorite clients was an 86 Year old man I'd go see for a few hours locally. He treated me with such respect and the conversations we had...was life changing(Too much to go into detail).

 

 

Point being from an Escorts stand point It Is a Turn off for a First meeting. Of course for future appointments things can be negotiable. I'm willing to work with peoples situations as long as they've shown me respect. Heck I have a regular I've been seeing for years now whom I cut my rate In Half. Mainly because he really is a pleasure to be around and the experiences we've shared.

[jjkrkwood]

I agree with @MikeyGMin ...Its Unattractive. I wouldnt call it "Business-Savy" at all. From an Escorts Perspective if someone asks me to lower my rate I Immediately see a Red Flag. Sometimes this can mean they simply cant afford it...and quite Frankly probably shouldnt be Hiring In the First place. You contacted me...You reached out to me...Not the other way around. Some of these guys You can sense the resentment that they have for even hiring(I will never understand this)

 

From Experience I have found my Most Odd/Difficult Encounters have ALWAYS been with those who have asked for me to lower my rate. Which I always found Odd as You're already doing them a Favor. But of course thats never Enough. As @Kevin Slater mentioned these are always the people that like to test Your Limits etc. One Client after "Haggling" with my Fee over Emails...had me Drive 4 Hours(One way) to meet him. After Dinner/Drinks(It was suppose to be an Overnight) He had the balls to Basically tell me He was flat broke. I was Pissed. Then he Expected a Pass because he was In his own words "Hot". I was Offended. "What are You Insinuating about my Clients?" I asked him. The attitude of "I'm hot so I shouldnt have to pay for it" Is all a myth. I've had Attractive clients, Younger clients(Even early 20's) etc etc etc. To be honest I dont care what You look like. One of my most Favorite clients was an 86 Year old man I'd go see for a few hours locally. He treated me with such respect and the conversations we had...was life changing(Too much to go into detail).

 

 

Point being from an Escorts stand point It Is a Turn off for a First meeting. Of course for future appointments things can be negotiable. I'm willing to work with peoples situations as long as they've shown me respect. Heck I have a regular I've been seeing for years now whom I cut my rate In Half. Mainly because he really is a pleasure to be around and the experiences we've shared.

 

 

 

Mr 1-2-3, please keep in mind that many people that hire, CANT AFFORD IT, but put priorities on their expenditures, and for some, SEX is first and foremost. Do you honestly think that sticking your dick in someone is worth $300 an hour. That's more than a lot of doctors who save lives make. Be realistic. I am not saying you shouldn't ask for whatever price you want. All I am saying is that escorts should be open to people who may negotiate the fee, and not label them "cheapos" and write them off for doing so..

[MiamiLooker]

One Client after "Haggling" with my Fee over Emails...had me Drive 4 Hours(One way) to meet him.

It takes two to haggle, so obviously, you were haggling as well. If you didn't want to negotiate your fee, why not tell him so after his first request and move on?

[TruHart1]

This is why I strongly prefer that rates be shown on the escort's page. I can decide if I can afford it or not with no haggling or embarrassment to any one. When the ad says, "Ask" under rates, I don't usually proceed, because it gives me that "If you have to ask the price you can't afford it" vibe, like in a restaurant where the menu doesn't show prices.

If the escort is on RentMen, where they are allowed to post their rates, that attitude is logical. If their ad says "Ask" then you certainly have the right to move on without pursuit. However, if the escort only advertises on M4RN, (this is especially true in the hinterlands where RentMen is not used as much) you do not have that luxury since M4RN now has a required policy to "Contact for rates" in all their ads!

 

TruHart1