Taking in calls when you don't have $$$ or a place to host

[AndreFuture]

This is probably a noobish question, but how does one handle seeing clients when you can't host in your own place, nor have funds to rent a room whenever a client wants to see you? I've missed a few opportunities because some potentials wanted to do an in call session and I can't host them.

 

Do you all just rent a hotel room for a night and hustle to get a bunch of clients to make up the expense? I don't think I'd get enough traffic for that, especially if I'm supposed to be using a nice-ish/pricey hotel (based on comments here, Motel 6 won't cut it).

 

But let's say I do book a room: is asking for a minimum set of hours to offset it appropriate? There's a lot of this small details kind of stuff I still don't know about yet (like using a burner v. getting a Google voice number; asking for the fee before or after the session).

 

Thanks for all your help so far!

[Kevin Slater]

Try to befriend another escort who may be willing to let you use his place. He might be glad to rent it out for something like $50 an hour, which you can sometimes pass along to the client (or eat it yourself).

 

Kevin Slater

[Maximus69]

This is probably a noobish question, but how does one handle seeing clients when you can't host in your own place, nor have funds to rent a room whenever a client wants to see you? I've missed a few opportunities because some potentials wanted to do an in call session and I can't host them.

 

Do you all just rent a hotel room for a night and hustle to get a bunch of clients to make up the expense? I don't think I'd get enough traffic for that, especially if I'm supposed to be using a nice-ish/pricey hotel (based on comments here, Motel 6 won't cut it).

 

But let's say I do book a room: is asking for a minimum set of hours to offset it appropriate? There's a lot of this small details kind of stuff I still don't know about yet (like using a burner v. getting a Google voice number; asking for the fee before or after the session).

 

Thanks for all your help so far!

 

Hey FTM I can sympathize with you, even though I can host, some people have declined on me bc I'm too far from midtown which is where a lot of clients live. They don't want to travel that far up even though its a 25-30 minute train ride to where I live but you can't do anything about it, if people are looking for NOW and want someone closer even when you can travel to their place.

 

So heres my 2 cents, if you want get a hotel for day, but only if you have a few clients to make a profit off the hotel.

Or if you have a friend, you can ask him to use a room and he'll get 10 percent of the money u get off each client.

 

I don't know if this will help but wish u luck

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you may want to look into Airbnb as they may have more inexpensive rates than a hotel. I got a massage a year ago from a guy that couldn't host and he got an Airbnb place. it was a nice studio in an ok neighborhood. At first I didn't realize he was renting a place because he said he would try to figure something out but the day of our appointment when he was giving me the location he indicated it was rented.

 

when we were having our casual pre massage chat the price came up and it was quite reasonable compared to hotel. plus he could bring his table in without raising eyebrows.

 

I ended up adding in his fee without him asking because of the effort he went to.

 

or as mr slater indicated befriend a fellow pro and see if you can rent from them.

[+ Truereview]

Andre,

I always meet my companions at a hotel. I just like not having to have either of us to worry about clean up plus a hotel room feels more neutral for both parties (in my view). I love the Hotel Tonight mobile app. I just did a search in DC & the Churchill embassy Row is running @ $96 on wed night, the savoy suites in Georgetown is $99. This coming Friday, you can get into the Liaison Capitol Hill (nice!) for $98, the kimpton rouge (very LGBT friendly!) $99. The residence inn in foggy bottom $79. Better deals can be had. Besitos, TR

 

PS- once you join, you get further discounts, alerts, plus the app is cool & fun

[AndreFuture]

Andre,

I always meet my companions at a hotel. I just like not having to have either of us to worry about clean up plus a hotel room feels more neutral for both parties (in my view). I love the Hotel Tonight mobile app. I just did a search in DC & the Churchill embassy Row is running @ $96 on wed night, the savoy suites in Georgetown is $99. This coming Friday, you can get into the Liaison Capitol Hill (nice!) for $98, the kimpton rouge (very LGBT friendly!) $99. The residence inn in foggy bottom $79. Better deals can be had. Besitos, TR

 

PS- once you join, you get further discounts, alerts, plus the app is cool & fun

Thanks for the Hotel Tonight tip, I just downloaded it. Would it make sense to charge more for an in call if I book a hotel?

[+ Truereview]

Would it make sense to charge more for an in call if I book a hotel?

Since I always host at my hotel, Now, I'm really out of my element! Maybe the other escort boys here can provide better guidance on how to charge in that scenario.

[+ not2rowdy]

Client here. It is not that unusual to see ads where the in call rate is greater than outcall. Sometimes substantially so.

 

When I see that I assume the escort prefers outcalls for whatever reason (and there can be many). One reason might be the escort is paying for a hotel room and hopes to recoup that additional cost.

 

There is nothing wrong with that business strategy. The client always has the option of taking the less expensive outcall rate and being the host.

 

The “minimum set of hours to offset” is more problematic. It is also problematic to hope to book several clients in a one night booking period. Both of these strategies are likely quite risky to you.

 

If you do book a room it doesn’t need to be 5 star (pricey) - but it does need to decent quality, convenient and in a safe locale.

 

Remember that it is net, not gross, income that matters. As your client base grows you will have more options.

[Mikegaite]

Would it make sense to charge more for an in call if I book a hotel?

 

I would say no, but I've heard otherwise. I would defer to Juan and Kesslar and the other escorting sages.

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I would say no, but I've heard otherwise. I would defer to Juan and Kesslar and the other escorting sages.

 

oh please Mike Gaite (I just love saying your full name, hearing it makes you even sexier in my mind) ......you are as much of an sage as Juan and Kesslar! Your commentary is generally quite helpful and when not helpful always amusing.

[+ purplekow]

I would say no, but I've heard otherwise. I would defer to Juan and Kesslar and the other escorting sages.

You are doing this to earn a living.

Try to set up two appointments for the same day and then rent a hotel room. You want a nice hotel, but if I hire an escort and he is staying in a penthouse at the Plaza or St Regis, it would make me think that there must be a conveyor belt full of clients waiting to move through this room. The room would be special, but it would not make me feel special and I would be less likely to rehire.

On the hand, a hot sheet motel on the bad side of town also sends a message. So unless the client states that he wants a sleazy place so he can feel dirty, I would find a clean, moderately priced, well located hotel and become a regular.

 

I would not charge extra. There is at least one very well traveled escort who raises his rates because hotel prices in NYC are expensive. For me, this is the traveling escorts cost of business and the increased rate is a turn off. Experienced escorts may very well be busy enough to not care, but if you are trying to build a business, it may be worth it in the long run to make a little less at the beginning with the idea of return business in the future.

 

Everyone wants value for their entertainment dollar, even very rich clients.

[jackjackjack]

Strangely, I have never asked an escort to get a hotel room and pay for it. I aways get the room at my expense.

[AndreFuture]

you may want to look into Airbnb as they may have more inexpensive rates than a hotel. I got a massage a year ago from a guy that couldn't host and he got an Airbnb place. it was a nice studio in an ok neighborhood. At first I didn't realize he was renting a place because he said he would try to figure something out but the day of our appointment when he was giving me the location he indicated it was rented.

 

when we were having our casual pre massage chat the price came up and it was quite reasonable compared to hotel. plus he could bring his table in without raising eyebrows.

 

I ended up adding in his fee without him asking because of the effort he went to.

 

or as mr slater indicated befriend a fellow pro and see if you can rent from them.

 

It seems a bit rude to see clients in an Airbnb situation, no? I mean, it's someone's personal space being used for sex that's also a somewhat grey area in terms of legality.

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey sexy,

 

I am so sorry to read you are in this situation. It really sucks and I know well how it affects your ability to make a living. I would second Kevin's suggestion to try to befriend another escort, boy or girl. Some escorts will be thrilled to get some extra money by renting their room. If there is an agency in town, they might have an incall place that they may be interested in renting by the hour. Wouldn't hurt to ask.

 

Another thing you could do is meet in a bathhouse. It gets tricky, though because you would have to meet the client outside to make sure he pays for the entrance fee, but meeting someone outside is risky for you. Also, most saunas have rules against working there, so you would have to be very discreet. I have me clients at saunas and I charge my outcall rate plus the entrance fees.

 

I would recommend against trying to book a room and then try to cram your day to pay for it. Sadly when it comes to escorting Murphy's law dictates that when you are really broke and need the money real bad everyone will flake and you will have to pay for a room with money you don't have. You best bet would be to offer an interested client that if he himself books and pays for the room, you might lower your rate 50 bucks or something like this.

 

As for AirBnB I think you are not supposed to work in those apartments, but if you are really careful you might be fine.

 

I know you might hate me for saying this, but I really recommend you at this point not to incur in any expense. Keep putting your brand forward and hopefully clients who can host will start showing up.

 

I really hope things will start picking up for you soon! Big hug and take good care of yourself!

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It seems a bit rude to see clients in an Airbnb situation, no? I mean, it's someone's personal space being used for sex that's also a somewhat grey area in terms of legality.

 

I am not sure about the legality issue that is probably something worth looking into. what this guy told me is he generally rents from this same place. I got the impression it was more of a commercial owner vs somebody else's place. It was hotel decor vs somebody's personal stuff in a 4 story building with quite a few units.

[jackjackjack]

As others have mentioned, be very careful about using Airbnb for meeting with escorts or clients.

[MikeyGMin]

As others have mentioned, be very careful about using Airbnb for meeting with escorts or clients.

 

I'm sorry, am I the only one seeing the irony of this? Worrying about breaking a rental service rule when the activity in question is prostitution? Are we really more worried about Airbnb's rules? Or is it that they will somehow involve the po-po?

[Mikegaite]

This may be putting the cart before the horse, but down the line I would also consider moving so you can take incalls. Perhaps there is some opportunity such that you can make a temporary move (e.g. summer subletting) to test the waters. You don't have to live alone to take incalls, so there are creative options available.

 

Also, you could track incall requests to see if moving makes sense. You might be tempted to just say that, if, X is your rent and Y is your rent at new place, then your revenue should exceed Y-X. But you have to also factor in the value you place in preferring incalls to outcalls or living in an environment where you can/cannot host. If you move to the area where you can maximize client revenue, your increased cost of living might well be offset by your increased income. But ultimately, having living conditions that are optimal for you should be the driving factor in your decision.

 

I started off being unable to host and not owning a car. Furthermore, I didn't live in an urban area, so it was hard getting to clients' homes. Heck, my bike was a fixie. I remember that when my bike broke, I ran a couple miles to a client's house. My showing up sweaty in running shorts was quite acceptable, but I wouldn't recommend that lifestyle to any escorts.

 

I think the hot tubs are sleazy, so I would avoid them, but they are popular in certain cities. It's a good idea, just not my cup of tea.

 

Regarding hotels, I've had clients ding me for staying at nicer hotel properties and clients reward me for it. I don't think anyone on here will publicly admit to having said, "Thank goodness you aren't staying at a La Quinta." But some clients do feel that way.

[OneFinger]

Strangely, I have never asked an escort to get a hotel room and pay for it. I aways get the room at my expense.

 

Same here. I don't feel comfortable with in-calls. And, I'm very protective of my own space (home). So, I always get a hotel and pay for it all times that I hire.

 

If an escort can't host (for whatever reason), then I believe they shouldn't indicate that they do in-calls. Don't put yourself in a position of trying to find a place. Just indicate out-calls only. That's not a red flag to me.

[jackjackjack]

I'm sorry, am I the only one seeing the irony of this? Worrying about breaking a rental service rule when the activity in question is prostitution? Are we really more worried about Airbnb's rules? Or is it that they will somehow involve the po-po?

A hotel or motel is one place. But you're inviting them into someone's personal home or apartment. Just the way I feel. And what's this prostitution thing that you mentioned. I don't know anything about that...

[AndreFuture]

If an escort can't host (for whatever reason), then I believe they shouldn't indicate that they do in-calls. Don't put yourself in a position of trying to find a place. Just indicate out-calls only. That's not a red flag to me.

 

I explicitly state I only do out calls, but I've gotten a few requests for in calls (especially when the snowpocalypse hit), so I feel as though I should situate myself to take advantage of that client stream.

 

When I say I don't have money, I don't mean I'm financially struggling, but that I don't have money to rent a new place just to escort (thanks for the concern, Juan). To be honest, escorting is not a form of sustenance for me, more of a hobby. Being a perfectionist, I take even hobbies seriously, but I ultimately want it to be fun and a net financial gain without requiring substantial investment upfront.

[LADoug1]

Regarding hotels, I've had clients ding me for staying at nicer hotel properties and clients reward me for it. I don't think anyone on here will publicly admit to having said, "Thank goodness you aren't staying at a La Quinta." But some clients do feel that way.

 

Why would a client ding you for staying at nicer hotel properties?

[MikeyGMin]

Why would a client ding you for staying at nicer hotel properties?

 

Most likely because you never, ever, ever please everyone. I, for one, will publicly admit that I don't feel Mike Gaite should be staying at La Quinta!

[jackjackjack]

Most likely because you never, ever, ever please everyone. I, for one, will publicly admit that I don't feel Mike Gaite should be staying at La Quinta!

Hey, What's wrong with LA Quinta? Here in my city, they're asking $199.00 a night at La Q. The Four Seasons here is $495.00. I'd rather spend less on sleeping accommodations and more on men. . . hahaha.

[+ Truereview]

When I say I don't have money, I don't mean I'm financially struggling, but that I don't have money to rent a new place just to escort (thanks for the concern, Juan). To be honest, escorting is not a form of sustenance for me, more of a hobby. Being a perfectionist, I take even hobbies seriously, but I ultimately want it to be fun and a net financial gain without requiring substantial investment upfront.

 

Andre, I loved your clarification about the fact that you are not struggling financially and that, instead, you are looking for smart ways to contain your initial investment! Smarty pants you! I do think you will need to invest some $, but I like the fact that you are thinking about how to minimize operating expenses. Sh!t, I'm may just have to invest in your stock, mister.

 

Give me some "grace" as say this: I think one of the assumptions people make is that escorts get into the field just bc of $. Frankly, I believe such assumption will impact you even more so bc of what we know are the financial challenges facing our transsexual sisters and brothers. Some of us out here will fall prey to that assumption. We may also fall prey to the assumption that as a trans escort you may not be able to defend yourself physically while escorting - should a bad situation emerge. So we may actually fear for your safety. You will likely see some of that in posts. All nice and sweet, but frankly, you could be a tough motherf&cker who could put a client in a death grip within seconds. Just have patience with us as we fall into our own silly assumptions.

 

I like the fact that you are, subtly, helping us check our conscious or unconscious biases. So glad to have you in this forum. Now back to our regular programming....