Price negotiations

[TruHart1]

For me, it's not necessarily about the actual haggling, but more about the discussion of money in general. I personally have a much more connected and enjoyable experience with a client when money is not discussed or kept to a bare minimal. When I'm on my way to meet a client, I'm in a good mood and have a genuine excitement about meeting them. Prolonging a discussion about rates distracts from everything else, etc...

 

As a client, I feel much the same. Also I feel that mentioning specific dollar amounts may make them think I could be law enforcement. If an ad states an hourly rate and I want to hire an escort for the first time, I will ask as discreetly as possible if the rate for a 2 hour session is twice the hourly rate "for their time" and accept whatever they say, which often includes a slight discount for the 2nd hour. I never haggle though, I always accept their fee because I have already decided I will be happy spending double their hourly rate for their time if I've decided that I want to meet them.

 

TruHart1

[+ SundayZip]

My best experiences with escorts are when there is mutual respect. Seems like the best way to show an escort that you do not respect him is to say that he's not worth his stated price. That's pretty much what you're saying when you ask for a lower price.

[Juan Vancouver]

Do you really believe that good looking young escorts meet with older men without being motivated by money?

 

Nothing will convince me otherwise.

 

Sorry, it's just how I feel about it.

 

If that's the case, you clearly don't understand the satisfying feeling of a job well done. The pleasure to go to work knowing that you have all the necessary tools and skills that will take your session to completion, the sometimes life-changing sharing of life experiences and being exposed to things one normally would not be exposed to, the joy of creating and sustaining a mutually respectful and satisfying intimate relationship, not to mention the physical pleasure that sometimes comes with a session are just a few of the other enticements clients offer to escorts. (Also, not all clients are older, and not all men see older men as lesser or less exciting.)

 

I am sure nobody will change your mind about this, which is sad only for you, because it will limit your ability to fully enjoy what might be being presented to you by young, good looking men that are actually having a great time with you. And just because that's how you feel about it it doesn't mean that your perception is true.

 

But after all, yes, this is our job. We do it for the money and to amass professional experience.

 

But it is also true that in all walks of life, in different professions people go to work for the money but also derive intense pleasure from it.

 

The only question that is relevant to me is: All things being equal, if I am unable to really know how other people really feel... what belief would make my life better? What belief would make this experience more enjoyable?

[Rudynate]

 

The only question that is relevant to me is: All things being equal, if I am unable to really know how other people really feel... what belief would make my life better? What belief would make this experience more enjoyable?

 

Exactly. The way I always say it is "What story do you tell yourself about it?" Since you will inevitably have a story about an experience, it may as well be an empowering story.

[coriolis888]

If that's the case, you clearly don't understand the satisfying feeling of a job well done. The pleasure to go to work knowing that you have all the necessary tools and skills that will take your session to completion, the sometimes life-changing sharing of life experiences and being exposed to things one normally would not be exposed to, the joy of creating and sustaining a mutually respectful and satisfying intimate relationship, not to mention the physical pleasure that sometimes comes with a session are just a few of the other enticements clients offer to escorts. (Also, not all clients are older, and not all men see older men as lesser or less exciting.)

 

I am sure nobody will change your mind about this, which is sad only for you, because it will limit your ability to fully enjoy what might be being presented to you by young, good looking men that are actually having a great time with you. And just because that's how you feel about it it doesn't mean that your perception is true.

 

But after all, yes, this is our job. We do it for the money and to amass professional experience.

 

But it is also true that in all walks of life, in different professions people go to work for the money but also derive intense pleasure from it.

 

The only question that is relevant to me is: All things being equal, if I am unable to really know how other people really feel... what belief would make my life better? What belief would make this experience more enjoyable?

 

 

pollyanna -

 

1. An excessively or blindly optimistic person.

 

2. Unreasonably or illogically optimistic.

 

Please tell us again about a young handsome escort (who has sex with a hugely obese and old client) not being motivated by the thought of being paid for the event.

 

You are ignoring human nature with your assertion.

 

Take away the money and you have no escort.

[instudiocity]

The only time I accepted a lower rate was after a client arrived to my apartment before we started. I thought it was in poor taste. I probably wouldn’t have invited him over if he had tried haggling before coming over. One has to take into account the basic principle of supply and demand. If the demand is low and the supply (an escort's time) is high; some haggling might do them some good. If the demand is higher than their supply, they can afford to ignore lower offers and accept clients that are best suited for them. Overall, I don’t have a moral opinion on haggling; it’s just something I prefer not to engage in for quality assurance reasons.

I'm a sales person for a custom manufacturer. I occasionally have issues with customers who want to 'negotiate' pricing. Generally, they bring it up during the closing. On each and every occasion, I have say politely as possible and with a smile on my face said, "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you wanted an inferior product. Frankly, I don't know how I could possibly supply my company's product for that price." As I finish my statement, I have packed my briefcase, put on my jacket, and started for the door.

 

Generally speaking I never make it into my car before being stopped and asked, "Where are you going?" or "What's going on?" My response is always, "Oh, I thought you wanted to buy the product from my competitor. I was trying to get out of the way so you could proceed." I've never lost the sale.

 

If I were an escort and someone attempted to bargain with me, I would say something on the order of: "Did you want to meet me at the Econo Lodge and be my 4th client of the day?" as I prepared to walk out the door. I believe all haggling would cease.

[+ dutchmuch]

What if the escort says for you to name the price? History, a massage and interactive fiddling was had at $XXX/hour. Asked for a overnight rate, the masseur said 'name a price'.

[JuniorNYC]

There's obviously some disagreement here. What I'm saying here is this:

1. The reason I'm an escort is party because of the money.

2. That's not the ONLY reason - if it was, I would have become an escort in my 20s, not in my 30s.

 

Why does a therapist become a therapist? Why does a doctor become a doctor? Is it SOLELY for the money? Absolutely not. People who choose a career mostly choose that career for other reasons beside money. I should mention that I have a blossoming career that I thoroughly love. I also have a new side business that I am falling in love with as well (escorting). I solute the full time escorts out there. What they are doing (if they're good at it) is a BEAUTIFUL thing. I believe an escort's services is a highly honorable contribution to society.

 

That being said, I'd be lying to say that without the money, I would have sex with the people I do as an escort. But here's the thing: as a hung top in a huge city full of size queen bottoms, it can get boring. What escorting has done for me is this: the exchange of money for sex is not JUST that. It's an exchange of power. It's a motivating factor to take my ambitious attributes that I take to me with work every day into the bedroom, because the bedroom becomes work--and that's a powerful thing. That is a loss of power... that is power exchange AND fluid exchange. How fucking erotic! That's MY take. My motivation is money, but it's not the top motivation. Perhaps the novelty of just starting off hasn't worn off? Am I blindly optimistic for having that point of view? I genuinely love what I'm doing and the people I meet. I have so many different motivating factors that allow me to do this work with enthusiasm and money is not the only reason.

 

When I have to discuss money or haggle, it reminds me that I'm doing this for money. When money is not discussed (and understood based on what I put in my profile) I'm able to forget about it and enjoy the experience that is allowed with this exchange.

 

I just joined this forum and I don't want to cause any ill blood between myself and anyone here, but to say that there is no way for someone to enjoy their job, no way one can get paid for LOVING what they do and deriving joy for a job well done (then referencing the pollyanna principle for thinking other wise)--that's incredibly offensive, degrading and painfully stigmatizing to people in the sex trade industry.

 

If you're a haggler, haggle away! I will never judge someone who haggles. I will question my own issues with hagglers before I question their reasons for haggling. That's how I approach it. I just choose not to engage it in because it makes my job less enjoyable.

 

I have three jobs (a researcher, a DJ and an escort) and the number one reason I do each of those jobs is because I LOVE the work and they bring me a considerable amount of joy.

 

Take away the money, and you have no doctor/lawyer/banker/teacher/escort...

[coriolis888]

 

I just joined this forum and I don't want to cause any ill blood between myself and anyone here, but to say that there is no way for someone to enjoy their job, no way one can get paid for LOVING what they do and deriving joy for a job well done (then referencing the pollyanna principle for thinking other wise)--that's incredibly offensive, degrading and incredibly stigmatizing to people in the sex trade industry.

 

 

Your rebuttal was making sense until you asserted the above paragraph and expresssed that such a thought is "offensive, degrading and incredibly stigmatizing to people in the sex trade industry."

 

Again, in most escort/client encounters, if you take away the money, there will be no encounter. I don't know why that fact is so difficult to accept.

 

If someone repeats something often enough (even if it isn't so and even to themselves), eventually that utterance will be believed. That is scary.

 

I commend you on your well presented rebuttal even if I disagree with it.

[JuniorNYC]

 

Again, in most escort/client encounters, if you take away the money, there will be no encounter. I don't know why that fact is so difficult to accept.

 

I agree with this statement. It's not difficult for me to accept. It's a fact, like any other profession out there. Take away the the pleasure of a job well done, there are no quality [insert any profession].

 

 

If someone repeats something often enough (even if it isn't so and even to themselves), eventually that utterance will be believed. That is scary.

 

Very true as well! For a long time I thought sex work was degrading, dangerous and shameful. I kept telling myself that and I believed it. How incredibly scary. Once I educated myself on what sex work actually can be, it opened up a new world full of excitement, ambition and pleasure.

[Nebost]

Do you really believe that good looking young escorts meet with older men without being motivated by money?

 

Nothing will convince me otherwise.

 

Sorry, it's just how I feel about it.

 

 

I am not sure what is so profound about this statement that you feel the need to repeat it over and over. The great majority of jobs are motivated by money, and would not get done without financial compensation. That doesn't mean they are not at many levels satisfying to those who perform them.

 

For example, I am an IT consultant. Hell yeah, I expect to be paid my fees for the work that I do. But frequently I enjoy time with my client, feel they are good people to spend time with. I feel a sense of accomplishment when I meet a challenge, I feel I have done something worthwhile. I probably feel better that I am doing this work than if I just sat at home and tended to my own whims all day. For the escort, the older man may not be husband/lover material, that does not mean he is not smart, funny, interesting , kind or otherwise good to be around. For many escorts, I would think there is some satisfaction of making the client's desires met, a job well done. Yes, money is being made, what is the big deal about it?

[coriolis888]

I am not sure what is so profound about this statement that you feel the need to repeat it over and over. The great majority of jobs are motivated by money, and would not get done without financial compensation. That doesn't mean they are not at many levels satisfying to those who perform them.

 

 

There is nothing profound here except for the lack of logic comparing the work of an escort to main stream occupations.

 

Of course, all occupations have an expectation of earnings.

 

However, in the case of escorts, we have an entirely different set of rules, particularly considering the illegal aspect of the trade.

 

This issue is obviously controversial.

 

It is, therefore, unlikely that there could be a meeting of the minds in connection with this issue.

[Juan Vancouver]

Please tell us again about a young handsome escort (who has sex with a hugely obese and old client) not being motivated by the thought of being paid for the event.

 

Again, this is a job, so if there is no money there's no honey. However, again, you are asserting that this is the only reason for them spending time together. Considering what I have read from you I will not assume that you would consider me a young, handsome escort, but I have spent really fulfilling, tender, sexy moments with some hugely obese and old clients. There have been some others, perhaps men who share your belief that the only thing they can offer a partner is money, with whom I didn't enjoy myself.

 

It makes me sad, though, that you are shortchanging yourself and your partners thinking that all you can offer is money.

 

I just joined this forum and I don't want to cause any ill blood between myself and anyone here, but to say that there is no way for someone to enjoy their job, no way one can get paid for LOVING what they do and deriving joy for a job well done (then referencing the pollyanna principle for thinking other wise)--that's incredibly offensive, degrading and painfully stigmatizing to people in the sex trade industry.

 

So beautifully put, Junior. I was about to write something very similar in a very inelegant way.

 

However, in the case of escorts, we have an entirely different set of rules, particularly considering the illegal aspect of the trade.

 

You commit a very common mistake, that of assuming that your your skewed misunderstanding of your country's laws are universal, and that by them being universal they must carry an ethical judgment that is unfailing.

 

Escorting is not illegal everywhere. Many countries license and screen their escorts. Escorting is not the bad, dark, seedy thing you imagine it to be... at least not for all of us.

 

I sincerely wish you will one day be able to experience the beauty and healing that it can bring.

[coriolis888]

Again, this is a job, so if there is no money there's no honey. However, again, you are asserting that this is the only reason for them spending time together. Considering what I have read from you I will not assume that you would consider me a young, handsome escort, but I have spent really fulfilling, tender, sexy moments with some hugely obese and old clients. There have been some others, perhaps men who share your belief that the only thing they can offer a partner is money, with whom I didn't enjoy myself.

 

It makes me sad, though, that you are shortchanging yourself and your partners thinking that all you can offer is money.

 

 

 

So beautifully put, Junior. I was about to write something very similar in a very inelegant way.

 

 

 

You commit a very common mistake, that of assuming that your your skewed misunderstanding of your country's laws are universal, and that by them being universal they must carry an ethical judgment that is unfailing.

 

Escorting is not illegal everywhere. Many countries license and screen their escorts. Escorting is not the bad, dark, seedy thing you imagine it to be... at least not for all of us.

 

I sincerely wish you will one day be able to experience the beauty and healing that it can bring.

 

 

I sincerely wish that you will one day be able to accurately read a post and experience the beauty of realizing that you are not always right.

 

I did not say that escorting is illegal everywhere. You made that up.

 

This forum is located in the U.S. and the majority of its members are in the U.S. and they hire U.S. escorts. My post addressed U.S. individuals.

 

In the U.S. prostitution is illegal (as you know).

 

It is extremely presumptuous for you to state that I "commit a very common mistake et cetera ." assuming U.S. laws are universal.

 

You went on to write "escorting is not the bad, dark, seedy thing you imagine it to be . . "

 

Good grief. You don't know me yet you wrote all those ridiculous things about me.

 

I don't know you either. However, based on your outlandish post, I don't want to know you.

 

Do me a favor, please. Don't respond to any of my posts. I promise not to respond to you.

 

Fair enough?

[Steven_Draker]

Interesting discussion.

 

I may not be as eloquent, overzealous and overly enthusiastic as other posters on the Board but let me tell you that an escort can TRULY enjoy his work by making other people satisfied and pleased. An escort can get a "high" by making others happy, the money comes after and it's not the 'motivator'.

 

For me it's about creating a connection ... forget about your physical imperfections. An escort is capable of looking past them.

 

Put your insecurities behind and enjoy the ride!

 

Steven ~

Twitter PlanetRomeo Reviews

[+ WmClarke]

Interesting discussion.

 

I may not be as eloquent, overzealous and overly enthusiastic as other posters on the Board but let me tell you that an escort can TRULY enjoy his work by making other people satisfied and pleased. An escort can get a "high" by making others happy, the money comes after and it's not the 'motivator'.

 

For me it's about creating a connection ... forget about your physical imperfections. An escort is capable of looking past them.

 

Put your insecurities behind and enjoy the ride!

 

Steven ~

Twitter PlanetRomeo Reviews

This. +1000

[MiamiLooker]

I figure if an escort gets a hard-on without the help from a pill, he’s enjoying himself, at least a little bit.

[Juan Vancouver]

I sincerely wish that you will one day be able to accurately read a post and experience the beauty of realizing that you are not always right.

 

As I write in many of my posts my intention is seldom to be right, I understand and celebrate that we all view things differently and I am the first one to agree to disagree.

 

In this case, however, you are factually wrong. You claim to know what is the only motivation for all escorts. I am an escort and know as as fact for some (at least for myself) there's a host of other motivations that are a determining factor in doing my work.

 

I respect your belief. You have the right to have it. In this instance, however, I know you are wrong.

 

I did not say that escorting is illegal everywhere. You made that up. This forum is located in the U.S. and the majority of its members are in the U.S. and they hire U.S. escorts. My post addressed U.S. individuals.

 

Actually you made only a blanket statement. What you wrote was:

 

Of course, all occupations have an expectation of earnings. However, in the case of escorts, we have an entirely different set of rules, particularly considering the illegal aspect of the trade.

 

Don't want to be patronizing to explain how the InfraWebs work. I am sure you know that because you access the forum wherever you are, that doesn't mean that the forum is situated anywhere specific. At least half of the most active posters connect from different parts of the world, there's a couple Brits, a couple Aussies, a couple Canadians, a Belgian, A Japanese just to name a few. In order to log in I don't need to have a visa, and nowhere in the forum it says that this is a USA specific forum to discuss USA clients and escorts and their laws.

 

For the sake of clarity it would be best if next time you write something like: "I believe in the USA escorting is illegal, which makes me believe that...." Then I will not be able or interested in refuting anything you have to say.

 

By the way, you wrote that escorting is illegal... and as a matter of fact, in your country it isn't. Escorting is perfectly legal in many US states. What is illegal and prosecuted in most states is prostitution. There is a big difference between them.

 

Do me a favor, please. Don't respond to any of my posts. I promise not to respond to you. Fair enough?

 

You are very welcome (and I won't be hurt at all) if you block me. You won't be able to read anything that I write. However I come here to promote communication and dispel the myths and misinformations about escorting. If I see that you post something -not as an opinion but as a truth- and I know that you are factually wrong, I will respond to it. Not to engage with you, which I hope this will be the last time, but to offer a balanced view to readers that have less experience and might be hurt by your misinformation.

 

So, no. Not fair. But you are welcome not to read me.

 

I don't know you either. However, based on your outlandish post, I don't want to know you.

 

No. I don't think we would have fun. Let's revel in the fact that at least we do agree on something. =)

 

May you find many fun, exciting and fulfilling experiences in your life!

[mike carey]

Thank you, Juan.

[coriolis888]

As I write in many of my posts my intention is seldom to be right, I understand and celebrate that we all view things differently and I am the first one to agree to disagree.

 

In this case, however, you are factually wrong. You claim to know what is the only motivation for all escorts. I am an escort and know as as fact for some (at least for myself) there's a host of other motivations that are a determining factor in doing my work.

 

I respect your belief. You have the right to have it. In this instance, however, I know you are wrong.

 

 

 

Actually you made only a blanket statement. What you wrote was

 

 

Don't want to be patronizing to explain how the InfraWebs work. I am sure you know that because you access the forum wherever you are, that doesn't mean that the forum is situated anywhere specific. At least half of the most active posters connect from different parts of the world, there's a couple Brits, a couple Aussies, a couple Canadians, a Belgian, A Japanese just to name a few. In order to log in I don't need to have a visa, and nowhere in the forum it says that this is a USA specific forum to discuss USA clients and escorts and their laws.

 

For the sake of clarity it would be best if next time you write something like: "I believe in the USA escorting is illegal, which makes me believe that...." Then I will not be able or interested in refuting anything you have to say.

 

By the way, you wrote that escorting is illegal... and as a matter of fact, in your country it isn't. Escorting is perfectly legal in many US states. What is illegal and prosecuted in most states is prostitution. There is a big difference between them.

 

 

 

You are very welcome (and I won't be hurt at all) if you block me. You won't be able to read anything that I write. However I come here to promote communication and dispel the myths and misinformations about escorting. If I see that you post something -not as an opinion but as a truth- and I know that you are factually wrong, I will respond to it. Not to engage with you, which I hope this will be the last time, but to offer a balanced view to readers that have less experience and might be hurt by your misinformation.

 

So, no. Not fair. But you are welcome not to read me.

 

 

 

No. I don't think we would have fun. Let's revel in the fact that at least we do agree on something. =)

 

May you find many fun, exciting and fulfilling experiences in your life!

 

 

You have a remarkable talent for distorting the written word.

 

You clearly missed your calling. You should consider working as a consultant to political speech writers, where accuracy and truth have little value.

 

On a somewhat related matter, I suggest that you alter your writing style on your future reviews. Your review, dated June 10, 2013, is very telling.

 

That June 10, 2013, review appears to be where you obtained a similar phrase ("escorting is not the bad, dark, seedy thing you imagine it to be - - " that you wrote in your post of yesterday.

 

Unique similarity speaks volumes.

 

Oh, and have a nice day.

[Juan Vancouver]

Ok. Caught me!

 

I here, publicly would like to confess that Coriolis finally exposed me.

 

I am a fraud.

 

I am actually a politician consultant teenage Californian blond girl pretending to be a Venezuelan man whore.

 

I just have a huge clitoris and a penchant for tanning. So sue me. =)

 

Coriolis, my man. Dig, exhume, google search and compare as much as you want and expose all my wrong doings. I suggest you to post a fake review saying I have a three inch dick, create other profiles to denounce how I stole from my clients, say that I have sent you hurtful threats in a private message, I am way too busy doing the work I love, having a riot with my clients and coming to this forum to share ideas that some people might appreciate. I also come here to learn.

 

In my learning curve I have come to realize that this is the moment in which I stop engaging in this exchange.

 

I sincerely wish you the best. Big hug all the way from California!

[mike carey]

I'm glad you cleared that up, Juan!

[bigvalboy]

I'm glad you cleared that up, Juan!

 

He did? .... it's not clear to me.

[coriolis888]

Ok. Caught me!

 

I here, publicly would like to confess that Coriolis finally exposed me.

 

I am a fraud.

 

I am actually a politician consultant teenage Californian blond girl pretending to be a Venezuelan man whore.

 

I just have a huge clitoris and a penchant for tanning. So sue me. =)

 

Coriolis, my man. Dig, exhume, google search and compare as much as you want and expose all my wrong doings. I suggest you to post a fake review saying I have a three inch dick, create other profiles to denounce how I stole from my clients, say that I have sent you hurtful threats in a private message, I am way too busy doing the work I love, having a riot with my clients and coming to this forum to share ideas that some people might appreciate. I also come here to learn.

 

In my learning curve I have come to realize that this is the moment in which I stop engaging in this exchange.

 

I sincerely wish you the best. Big hug all the way from California!

 

 

Why, thank you.

 

Let us go in peace.

[Scorpio]

 

Unique similarity speaks volumes.

 

It certainly does....all you're missing in this incarnation is the Smoking Monkey avatar (imrthr).