SCAMMER ALERT! BEWARE!

[Guest Starbuck]

This wasn't even a smart scammer. If he was gonna skip out without paying, then just leave. Why leave a check with all your personal info on it?

 

I bet the closed account and checks do not even belong to this A-HOLE.

 

If that's the case, posting the name on the check on social media (as the OP has done) means there's more than one victim here. Food for thought.

[LookingAround]

Starbuck, that was kind of my thought. The client is a scammer, but I still don't like the idea of an escort disclosing a client's name and personal information (even if they are a jerk) on a public internet site....no matter what, the escort shouldn't divulge personal information. Just my $.02.

[killianjamesnyc]

I'm pretty sure people who are clients pay for services rendered. This person was not and is not a client. Clients get confidentiality, people who have the intention of causing someone financial harm are not privy to that. Can someone else define what a client is? Is this how you think? Someone should be considered a client when they wrote multiple escorts bad checks KNOWINGLY? I really am in awe.

[Guest Starbuck]

Killian -- of course -- OF COURSE -- any client for any product or service should pay the agreed upon rate. But if your last post is in in response to posts from me and LookingAround, this question remains: Are you absolutely certain that the name of the person who scammed you and Derek is the same name you posted on social media? If it is, I personally have no problem with you "outing him" as a scammer. But how can you be certain? And what if you have posted the name of some poor schmuck who lost his checkbook or had it stolen?

[RadioRob]

I see trust and discreteness as being a two way street. It has to come from both sides. If someone KNOWINGLY and BLATENTLY cheated an escort, I think it's fair for that escort to warn others... including sharing info about the person/encounter in the appropriate venues.

 

In my own way, I think about an encounter as something like this. I (or the escort shows up). We have fun and live life to what we both expect it to be. At the end of our time together, upon giving the escort their donation/fee/consideration (pick your favorite word)... I've actually become the client. At that point I've fulfilled my promise to my escort, and now I expect them to fulfill the rest of theirs (including respecting my privacy, being discrete, not selling my name to a bunch of crazy lists, to not be a psycho contacting me if we have not agreed to exchange messages again, etc.)

[killianjamesnyc]

Because he identified himself as the person. He used the same check name with me one year prior and then the same check name with derek recently. I have no reason to believe it isn't him. If he's been doing this for a year with a stolen check book and hasnt been caught I'd be very very shocked considering that's a citigold account. Everyone's who knows me knows I'm legit stand up. Time to step away. I probably saved a lot of working guys some time, and that was my goal. Continue to chatter but I don't feel the need to.

[ZhenXBear]

With all that's been said, I believe Killian was well within the realms of justice to both warn and post the information.

 

It's much more serious than someone writing a phony check to the person who just detailed their car. This sociopath is using/abusing people on a physical and emotional level; that runs much deeper than a commodities transaction. We're talking human beings here not inanimate objects or services.

[whipped guy]

Some people are professional scammers. As someone who has been in business for almost four decades I have been scammed multiple times... Of course It happened mostly in the first few years, but even though one develops a sixth sense after that if I were able to collect all that has been owed me over the years I would be able to be quite the sugar daddy... and if that were the case the OP would certainly be in my sights.

 

All kidding aside, over time one develops a more suitable business model based on experience. One knows what percentage will never be collected and one adjusts their business practices accordingly... be it by adjusting fees or by other means. In an ideal world it would be nice to be able to collect 100 percent of what one is owed. Unfortunately we don't live in that ideal world.

 

Incidentally, if there were a "bad client website" I wonder how effectively that might work. I can cite a situation where I was scammed. The person declared "bankruptcy". I received a list of all the creditors... a colleague and friend was actually scammed twice by the exact same individual a couple of years apart. Now that's better than having a list of offenders... and he still got taken twice.

 

Bottom line: this is something that affects every business and not only the oldest business... and even other types of business such as mine that don't deal in inanimate commodities, but deal with human beings on a very personal and professional level. Over time one will not let such people get within a mile of their door... until then just chalk it up to experience, become more vigilant, and move on... Fortunately well over 90 percent of the people out there are honest and decent individuals and those are the individuals who make it all so rewarding and worthwhile!

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Thank you, Killian. I've been scammed before (including the very first time I traveled to see someone) and it's a very unpleasant feeling. Sure, it's only money—but it left me feeling (as I'm sure many of you can relate) incompetent, angry and hesitant to try again.

 

That said, this guy is a criminal. And it's incredibly unlikely that it's not the same person. Being outed as a client is the least of his worries.

[wisconsinguy]

Well WG 2... You know what you need to do this time at IML... The last thing that we need is for you to give the WG moniker a bad name by not having any leather... Plus, you would look oh so HOT doning a bit of leather. Now we all know how hot your guy looks in a leather harness... The thought of the two of you together in the same room at the same time and the both of you wearing leather is simply a thought that is way too HOT to even comprehend!!!! I'm thinking a biker cap as well!!!!

 

Damn... GO FOT IT!!!!

I have a few things in mind for this year!!!

[BSR]

I agree with Killian - a client is someone who pays for services rendered. A scamster who pays with a bad check is not a client and has therefore forfeited any & all confidentiality. Since Killian is certain that the scamster wrote the bad check from his own (insufficiently funded) account, I applaud Killian for outing this criminal on social media. I hope that Killian & Derek also filed a police report because check fraud is a serious crime.

 

On the flip side, I hope that all good escorts out there do the utmost to protect every client's identity and personal information with absolute discretion and confidentiality. A while back I got into a rather heated discussion on this board with an escort who passionately believed that every gay who didn't fall into lockstep agreement with leftist gay ideology deserved to be outed. Of course, all the while he vehemently insisted he would never out a client, but in light of the escort's seething passion for outing those who disagreed with him, I lost trust in that escort & knew I could never hire him, even though he was just my type and worked in a city I visit frequently.

 

Clients come in all shapes & sizes, ages, races, nationalities, and even political ideologies. All of us are entitled to discretion and confidentiality. No exceptions. If you disagree with me about Obamacare, the 2nd Amendment, same-sex marriage, or the Tea Party, fine, we can hash it out (but off the clock, please, I never talk politics during hires). But don't think for even a second that I'll tolerate a breach in confidentiality just because you don't like my politics. I've never had an issue with this in the past, and hopefully I never will.

[recency]

BSR raises a good point. I am troubled by the current passion for punishing people because they disagree with a political view.

[Becket]

Killian I am sorry you got scammed. It never feels good. But, sadly, this will not be the last time you have a rotten experience with a client ( or whatever you choose to call this guy). I've been scammed, ripped off, betrayed a few times myself. Most of us (escorts and clients both) are good guys. You're gonna run across a bad egg from time to time. If ranting makes you feel better, then by all means go for it. Doesn't mean it won't happen again. cheers.

[BaronArtz]

I don't know what is worse: a 'client' writing a check that bounces or a 'client' running out of the room without paying?

 

My friend (now retired) had a 'client' come over. Nothing but red flags, a bad vibe overall. My friend is naked on the bed, while the 'client' keeps his clothes and shoes on, opens his fly and starts masturbating. When he cums, my friend goes to the bathroom to wipe the cum of his chest. At this point, while he is in the bathroom, the 'client' runs away without pay. Being that my friend was stark naked, he couldn't go after him. He said it was one of the lowest and most degrading experiences ever. He said he was banging his fist on the wall in anger and frustration. He retired shortly thereafter.

 

We don't always know what escorts go through ...

[Kevin Slater]

Gentlemen,

 

I'm only posting because this is an on going occurrence. Last year I got written a fraudulent check in San Fran. The kid whipped out a check and then ran out the door, it took all of 15 seconds at most. Fast forward nearly a year later and Derek Crawford got handed a check in the same fashion by the same person but in Chicago. Clearly, this is not an isolated incident and the # of escorts he is impacting could be huge. I am a firm believer that when someone acts honorably they get treated with respect and are privy to client-escort confidentiality. When someone knowingly writes a check out of a closed account, runs like the wind out of the room and does not respond to any calls or texts I have no other reason to believe their intentions were malice. As I recall, It was once discussed on here that a reason to forewarn others would be if a hirer harmed an escort. I'd place financial harm in that category. Money for time plus the fee deducted from the escorts checking account in addition to other legitimate work that could have been done. Feel free to PM me and I can give you more details on how to identify this guy if he calls you.

 

Please only PMs from escorts as this is meant to warn and prevent further scams.

 

Thanks.

 

Escort buddy of mine just had a very similar situation in a Manhattan hotel from a very similar sounding guy. Beware.

 

Kevin Slater

[killianjamesnyc]

I really hope this kid forgets and tries to hire me again. I have five friends who are dying to meet him.

[Steven_Draker]

the client whips one out and runs out the door.

 

But Killian can run faster, can't he?

[Steven_Draker]

who the hell takes a check from someone they don't know?

 

Never take a check even if you know the person. Lesson learned!

 

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[sincitymix]

Never take a check even if you know the person. Lesson learned!

 

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Yes I learned that the hard way myself. My so called best friend of over 8 years owed me money, gave me a check. I asked him many many times if he had money in his account to cover it. he assured me there was (we both also had the same summer job at the same time). My dad was still in the military at the time (and I was about 15 16), I cashed the check, but my bank at the time was on the base... of course when the check bounced.. they had to contact my dad, and pretty much said, You have never had any problems with us, and we are sure this is an isolated incident.. we need this money back before the end of the business day or we will have to report this to your commander.. we normally don't give anyone this type of leeway.

Needless to say my dad rushed over, paid the bank back, came to me and had a "discussion".

Ruined friendship to say the least.

[rickp]

Hi Killian, I met the same guy last night at a hotel in Midtown Manhattan. At the end of the session when he started writing the check, I told him I didn't take checks and to please Pay in cash. He became belligerent and it seemed dangerous. I was very uncomfortable and just left as quickly as possible

[sincitymix]

Hi Killian, I met the same guy last night at a hotel in Midtown Manhattan. At the end of the session when he started writing the check, I told him I didn't take checks and to please Pay in cash. He became belligerent and it seemed dangerous. I was very uncomfortable and just left as quickly as possible

 

Side comment.. WOW Rick is HOT!

[killianjamesnyc]

I have really easy solution's for things like this. Works every time. Text me

[rickp]

OK, I texted you. I tried a number of things, none of which worked.

[rickp]

I mean, obviously there's no way for me to recover the money from the session. I just wish there was a way we could get the message out to prevent this person from doing this to others.

[killianjamesnyc]

Well [REDACTED] is his real name confirmed by the W Hotel he checked out of room 701 already. Lord how I wish he hadn't checked out yet.

 

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