Craigslist????

[JoeyBryant]

I was able to completely keep my identity and personal information private (both very important items after my last experience). I was never required to provide my name, phone number or even an email address. Our entire communication was done through craigslist interface. I only had to give my hotel name and room number about an hour or two before our appointment.

 

Well, all I have to say is obviously he's pretty new. I'm not sure if you guys did this or not, but I would have atleast required a person to call me from the hotel to make sure you're there. No phone number, no email?

 

I had a guy send me out to the Hilton in San Diego the other week. This wasn't from craigslist, but rentboy. Something just wasn't sitting right about him. He texted me a room number, but when I asked him to call me from the hotel, he just called me from the same number he was texting me on. Being that I was stood up on a visit to a hotel a few months ago, (I should have known: the guy gave me the room number when I asked...but not his name) I wasn't going to play his BS game. He couldn't follow directions, I didn't either bothering getting out the car and left. I believe he was at the hotel, but he probably would been peeking out from somewhere else watching me look like a goddam fool.

 

So although you're gleaming with joy, I was kind of on the edge of my seat reading about it.

[Michael Wayne]

ok in all my years escorting i have never heard the phrase, "FREQUENT FUCKER." I am in stiches laughing so hard. As a matter of fact i may very well lauch my own frequent fucker program. instead of , "fly the friendly skies," it might be , "ride the nicest cock." lol In all seriousness would it be like the fifth appointment is free or just an everytime 25% off thing? http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

[down_to_business]

Well, all I have to say is obviously he's pretty new. I'm not sure if you guys did this or not, but I would have atleast required a person to call me from the hotel to make sure you're there. No phone number, no email?

 

I had a guy send me out to the Hilton in San Diego the other week. This wasn't from craigslist, but rentboy. Something just wasn't sitting right about him. He texted me a room number, but when I asked him to call me from the hotel, he just called me from the same number he was texting me on. Being that I was stood up on a visit to a hotel a few months ago, (I should have known: the guy gave me the room number when I asked...but not his name) I wasn't going to play his BS game. He couldn't follow directions, I didn't either bothering getting out the car and left. I believe he was at the hotel, but he probably would been peeking out from somewhere else watching me look like a goddam fool.

 

So although you're gleaming with joy, I was kind of on the edge of my seat reading about it.

 

Turns out he's not that new (a few years). I also assure you that I didn't even remotely request the level of anonymity he allowed me to keep, as I would have likely traded phone numbers (etc.) if he had asked. He simply never asked for anything personal. He also did not ask for any money upfront, nor did he request to see any money (and this was our first ever meeting).

 

Funny how things work. Some would say this provider was too trusting and could easily be taken advantage of-- yet his willingness to trust me allowed me to trust him and in the end he left at the appropriate time with the exact amount of money he had asked for. No one was cheated, shorted, or taken advantage of.

 

By the way, is it bad that I now judge a successful escort experience as one where 1) The guy actually shows up and is the same guy featured in the ad and lives up to his promises AND 2) I don't get physically threatened, intimidated, blackmailed or arrested

[Becket]

I think the "frequent fucker" discount is a brilliant idea. Wish more escorts would consider such a policy for their repeat clients. I'm serious. It could be like the punch card Dunkin Do-nuts used to have. Get six holes punched, and the seventh fuck is free. Or maybe one could get an upgrade from a plain ole fuck to a fuck/rimjob/massage combo.

 

The possibilities are endless. Cheers

[cany10011]

I like the frequent fucker discount too but i think for the working guys, they might prefer extending the appointment rather than cut their rate or offer a free visit.

 

I think the "frequent fucker" discount is a brilliant idea. Wish more escorts would consider such a policy for their repeat clients. I'm serious. It could be like the punch card Dunkin Do-nuts used to have. Get six holes punched, and the seventh fuck is free. Or maybe one could get an upgrade from a plain ole fuck to a fuck/rimjob/massage combo.

 

The possibilities are endless. Cheers

[instudiocity]

I think the "frequent fucker" discount is a brilliant idea. Wish more escorts would consider such a policy for their repeat clients. I'm serious. It could be like the punch card Dunkin Do-nuts used to have. Get six holes punched, and the seventh fuck is free. Or maybe one could get an upgrade from a plain ole fuck to a fuck/rimjob/massage combo.

 

The possibilities are endless. Cheers

I'd vote for the Starbucks Gold Card approach - buy 12 drinks and get the 13th for free... but at Starbucks, I buy 12 drip coffees then on the freebie I get the Barrista drink... $24 buys me 12 $2 regulars and 1 $4 drink, oh yeah, and a freebie on my birthday!

[JoeyBryant]

I like the frequent fucker discount too but i think for the working guys, they might prefer extending the appointment rather than cut their rate or offer a free visit.

 

Ditto. Offering a free visit would be like, "Make 3 doctors visit, and your 4th one is free". Sounds good on paper, but c'mon. We all know...That only works with tires.

[Michael Wayne]

the only logistical issue is if different clients have different rates then how do you keep up with it since no one wants anything on paper??? LOL

[LookingAround]

Juan (of whom I have been a client) commented that if "wellness is not a concern" (paraphrasing) then ok to use Craigslist, implying Rentboy etc. offers more protection health wise.

 

I also dealt with an escort on RB who claims to be HIV- but accidentally sent me an email that was meant for a hookup friend where he acknowledged being HIV+ and wanted to bareback. Sorry but RB is no guarantee of "wellness" as Juan put it.

[LookingAround]

ok in all my years escorting i have never heard the phrase, "FREQUENT FUCKER." I am in stiches laughing so hard. As a matter of fact i may very well lauch my own frequent fucker program. instead of , "fly the friendly skies," it might be , "ride the nicest cock." lol In all seriousness would it be like the fifth appointment is free or just an everytime 25% off thing? http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

 

Steamworks in Chicago offers a "frequent fucker" card offering reduced prices for more visits.

[Juan Vancouver]

Juan (of whom I have been a client) commented that if "wellness is not a concern" (paraphrasing) then ok to use Craigslist, implying Rentboy etc. offers more protection health wise.

 

I also dealt with an escort on RB who claims to be HIV- but accidentally sent me an email that was meant for a hookup friend where he acknowledged being HIV+ and wanted to bareback. Sorry but RB is no guarantee of "wellness" as Juan put it.

 

Hey Looking,

 

I can't imagine any circumstance in which I may have implied that a certain type of advertisement might ensure a clean bill of health. Since what you understood is dramatically different to anything that I believe to be true then I am going to assume one of two things, maybe both: You may have misunderstood what I wrote or (what with English being my second language) I might have not been clear enough.

 

Let me try to be as clear as possible:

 

I know some people lie about their health. Some of these people are escorts, some are clients. I believe people who lie will lie regardless of how the session was booked. That is why I personally choose to treat every sexual partner as if he is HIV positive and I take every single possible precaution.

 

I hope this was clearer.

 

I am glad you pointed out this misunderstanding and in the spirit of learning about one's mistakes I would be very grateful if you could direct me to where I may have "implied" that Rentboy is a guarantee of wellness. By seeing what I wrote it might be easier for me to develop a more effective communication style.

 

Thank you.

[Michael Wayne]

Juan i think it is that most of us High end upscale escorts project a very negative and condescending sterotypical attitude down our pretty little noses at craigslist. CL is the ELEPHANT in the room!!!! We can no longer deny this. The shutting down of the , "adult services," section dealt a severe but temporary blow to this monster but now he is back with a vengence and those of us who are high end providers had better hit the gym REALLY HARD and be REALLY NICE to our regulars because a new generation of guys are on CL who are hiv neg, clean, d and d free, hungry and MOTIVATED. I remember when rentboy.com was born. To be honest I laughed my ass off. I said, "no one will hire ONLINE..... guys hire from the back of hotspots, frontiers, david, unzipped, this week in texas....etc." Boy was I wrong. ARe there problems and risks with CL? yes? But are there jewels and gems charging a half to a third of what we charge? yes............ http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

[MiamiLooker]

The possibility of a police sting when hiring off of Craigslist is a legitimate concern. But is this concern any different than an escort has every time he meets a new client? He uses his common sense and due diligence to vet the new client. If, as a client, you don’t feel comfortable with your ability to do this, then don’t use Craigslist to hire.

[+ FreshFluff]

www.rentboy.com/magicmikey[/url]

 

 

Mikey, what do you think is drawing this new generation of clean, motivated guys to CL now rather than a few years ago? The economoy was worse a few years ago, and college kids have been really Internet savvy for over a decade. So what has changed?

[Juan Vancouver]

Juan i think it is that most of us High end upscale escorts project a very negative and condescending sterotypical attitude down our pretty little noses at craigslist. CL is the ELEPHANT in the room!!!! We can no longer deny this.

 

Hey Mikey,

 

First of all I would like to dispel a rumour that has been going around. I do not have a pretty little nose. I don't want clients to be all excited about meeting me with my pretty little nose and then realize that I have a full grown man's nose. So there. Finally got it out of my chest.

 

Personally I would not go as far as claiming to be a High End Upscale Escort, but since you directed your post at me I am happy to respond.

 

I don't know what post of mine you read where I say bad things about Craigslist or other escort avenues. If you read my post carefully what I said is the opposite. I am really glad that those venues exist so that there can be a wide representation of all types of sex workers, from prostitutes to professional companionship. (I see those as two different careers that share a few common elements. I see both with profound respect.) I am grateful that there are prostitutes who will focus on sexual acts for am amount of money, and I am grateful that there is professional companionship who will cater to a wider variety of needs. This is not a put down, I urge you to believe this. We NEED both types because there is a wide variety of clients who need both types of services.

 

In exactly the same way we need really cheap escorts and really expensive ones to cater to different clients.

 

If there is a really broad variety of really cheap guys, more expensive guys will not have the bargaining clients insisting on getting discounts. If there is a wide range of services and rates, the market will find a way to make sure the right men meet.

 

I did mention that I am glad when my clients try other escorts. Sometimes they find a great guy and get a wonderful service and I am happy for that, sometimes they come back, horrified and vow never to stray again. This has happened when my clients have met with escorts from Rentboy or from Craigslist. This is not a put down on craigslist, if anything this is a put down on bad service. In that case, sign me up. I do have a very bad attitude against bad service, threatening attitudes, blackmailing, misrepresentation and abuse.

 

I am glad there are wonderful jewels and gems charging whatever they see fit to charge. I am glad there are secret agencies where platinum escorts charge rates we would not be able to imagine. None of that has any effect on me. I do my work with love, with mindfulness, I take care of myself because I want to be healthy and I make sure I don't point fingers at others trying to find a reason for my life not going the way it goes. This is the way of living that works best for me.

 

Not interested in denying any elephant. I don't get my panties in a bunch about the state of affairs... because I wear no panties. I do my best, I love my work, everything takes care of itself.

 

Looking for clients in CL or Grinder is just not for me. But there's something for everything, and thats perfect!

[LookingAround]

Hey Looking,

 

I can't imagine any circumstance in which I may have implied that a certain type of advertisement might ensure a clean bill of health. Since what you understood is dramatically different to anything that I believe to be true then I am going to assume one of two things, maybe both: You may have misunderstood what I wrote or (what with English being my second language) I might have not been clear enough.

 

Let me try to be as clear as possible:

 

I know some people lie about their health. Some of these people are escorts, some are clients. I believe people who lie will lie regardless of how the session was booked. That is why I personally choose to treat every sexual partner as if he is HIV positive and I take every single possible precaution.

 

I hope this was clearer.

 

I am glad you pointed out this misunderstanding and in the spirit of learning about one's mistakes I would be very grateful if you could direct me to where I may have "implied" that Rentboy is a guarantee of wellness. By seeing what I wrote it might be easier for me to develop a more effective communication style.

 

Thank you.

 

Hi Juan

 

Thanks for your clarification. In an earlier post, you said something like "if you want to risk your wellness....use Craigslist..." (paraphrasing) and I took that to mean that you suggested that using Rentboy would offer a greater assurance of "wellness." Perhaps I misunderstood what you intended to communicate.

[JoeyBryant]

Looking for clients in Grinder is just not for me. But there's something for everything, and thats perfect!

 

If someone finds a client on Grindr, that's pretty good actually. Matter of fact, its pretty good to find anything at all there, even if it's FREE lol. I don't know why I use it, probably just out of nosiness. I'll use it city to city just to see what kind of guys are in a certain area, but it's usually just a bunch of stupid meaningless conversations that never end up anywhere because mother fuckers don't know how to exchange pics and then exchange numbers and cut through the chase.

 

I actually 'sort of' miss the days of megaphone and interactive male (never used either for escorting though). I actually found friends and boyfriends off of there. You didn't have hours and days to chit chat, you had to pay for every message...so many guys would leave a phone number in the very first message. Guys these days are inefficient, in their approach. But that's another conversation.

[Michael Wayne]

U R a true pro JUAN! We see things EXACTLY alike. You'll notice my post said , "US," not you. It was a general statement about all of us who are considered, "well reviewed and well known." That does include you cause U R one of the best. Big League baseball stars often look down at minor leaguers but one day EVENTUALLY that kid at class A ball now will be promoted to the bigs and take our Job. It is the nature of things...........

[Michael Wayne]

Fresh FLuff: I can only speculate because the issue is really in flux but i will give it a try. In my opinion in small to medium sized markets the VAST majority of potenital new clients simply DO NOT KNOW the big three escort sites EVEN EXIST! To those of you in big markets and/or who are openly and outwardly gay that statement seemes incredulous However if you think of the closeted guy in small market usa or in the shoes of a marreid guy perhaps it makes sense. THEY ALL KNOW CRAIGSLIST HOWEVER! The big three services spend NO MONEY advertising trying to reach this type of client but if you ask any escort who isnt based in DC< CHICAGO< LA< MIAMI OR NYC about the percentage of his clients who are closeted/married it will be above 50%! These guys (most of them) have never even heard of http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop or http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey. They all know CRAIGSLIST.

[JoeyBryant]

Fresh FLuff: I can only speculate because the issue is really in flux but i will give it a try. In my opinion in small to medium sized markets the VAST majority of potenital new clients simply DO NOT KNOW the big three escort sites EVEN EXIST! To those of you in big markets and/or who are openly and outwardly gay that statement seemes incredulous However if you think of the closeted guy in small market usa or in the shoes of a marreid guy perhaps it makes sense. THEY ALL KNOW CRAIGSLIST HOWEVER! The big three services spend NO MONEY advertising trying to reach this type of client but if you ask any escort who isnt based in DC< CHICAGO< LA< MIAMI OR NYC about the percentage of his clients who are closeted/married it will be above 50%! These guys (most of them) have never even heard of http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop or http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey. They all know CRAIGSLIST.

 

I agree with everything you're saying, but I also think part of the issue lies in the fact that many of the smaller/medium markets that the big 3 seem to be skipping over; wouldn't pay the escort rates we're looking for. In a way, it's kind of hard to imagine to 'not' be able to reach someone thru the internet. The main reason why the guys use craiglist, is because the regular sites can't keep escorts advertising because what escort wants to fucking pay $40-60 a month when they might only get 1 client? That's stupid. So, the escorts stop advertising there, and the clients stop looking at the sites...and go to craigslist. Or backpage. Ha.

 

I can foresee the bulk of my current market ending up on craigslist and backpage at this point, with other cities to follow. It's like, why pay these sites to put up with abuse? They should be paying us. It's starting to make better sense to just use my own website, advertise craigslist, twitter and hourboy, and rentmen, and tell the rest of them to go kick dirt.

[Steven_Draker]

Sorry but RentBoy is no guarantee of "wellness" as Juan put it.

 

Nor is a guarantee of wellness the so-called spa Steamworks.

[LookingAround]

Nor is a guarantee of wellness the so-called spa Steamworks.[/color]

 

There's no guarantee of wellness anywhere, Steven. But you'll find it of interest that I go to steam works regularly, have a great time, and have never had an STD in my life and am HIV-. People can have fun and have sex safely. Cheers!

[jimboivyo]

There's no guarantee of wellness anywhere, Steven. But you'll find it of interest that I go to steam works regularly, have a great time, and have never had an STD in my life and am HIV-. People can have fun and have sex safely. Cheers!

 

good on you, but otherwise some pretty ugly shit goes on there. i've seen it myself. too much bare back bulshit for my taste

[LookingAround]

Jimboi, I see Steven is one of your two friends in your profile, so glad you feel the need to back him up.

 

Glad each of us can make our own decision where we like to go. I don't do bb, and I have never done drugs, and I LOVE steamworks!

 

Now back to the Craigslist discussion.

[Steven_Draker]

Jimboi, I see Steven is one of your two friends in your profile, so glad you feel the need to back him up.

 

I have many friends here, and no, there's no "conspiracy" if a poster who's on my friend's list speaks his mind and posts his opinion. I certainly don't feel that my postings need to be "backed up" as you put it. Any poster should feel free to post under any thread he sees fit. The fact that you didn't like the response after you introduced Steamworks yourself in this very thread is a different matter. I wouldn't take this too personally, Sir.

 

But you'll find it of interest that I go to steam works regularly, have a great time, and have never had an STD in my life and am HIV-. People can have fun and have sex safely.

 

I'm very glad that you have a great time when you visit Steamworks and only wish that everyone would be as careful and caring as you are. Alas, that's not the case. As it has been mentioned here and at various sources, there's a lot of barebacking and illegal drugs going on in the bathhouses, Steamworks included. Safer sex is becoming the exception, rather than the norm in many places for fast sex consumption such as back rooms and bathhouses/saunas. Let's not put blinders on.

 

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