Poz and open about it? Uninhibited? A new trend among escorts.

[frequentflyerdc]

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=332995&scid=84714439&sp=1&pos=7&locid=1496&iid=174037

 

It surprises me that his young man openly acknowledges his status.

 

Is this a way to say uninhibited is good?

 

I assume everybody but me is positive, that's why I'm negative.

[mmk123]

I see nothing wrong with this

 

First off, we have all had sex with people who are HIV Positive. For any gay man who has been out for more than a year and have had multiple sex partners to think that they have only had sex with other gay men who are negative they are a fool.

 

Second, I would not hire this escort because I am not attracted to him, not because of his status. If I was attracted to the escort and he said he was positive, I would not have a problem hiring him.

[+ deej]

It isn't often we see people complaining about an escort's honesty. Usually it's the other way 'round.

[sfguy]

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=332995&scid=84714439&sp=1&pos=7&locid=1496&iid=174037

 

It surprises me that his young man openly acknowledges his status.

 

Is this a way to say uninhibited is good?

I think it's mainly a way to say honesty is good. And it's a way to say consenting adults making fully informed decisions is good.

[rvwnsd]

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=332995&scid=84714439&sp=1&pos=7&locid=1496&iid=174037

 

It surprises me that his young man openly acknowledges his status.

 

I am also surprised, albeit pleasantly. Wouldn't it be great if everyone was as honest as this individual?

 

Is this a way to say uninhibited is good?

 

Only the escort can answer that question. I think it is a way of encouraging honesty by adpoting a "change starts with me" approach. Kudos to him for doing that.

 

Like mmk123, I do not find this escort attractive. Therefore, I would not hire him. If I did find him attractive I wouldn't hesitate to hire him.

[jimboivyo]

kid is bat shit crazy, but honest and I can't find fault with honesty

 

wish more escorts would be out with their status. when you're selling sex, I wanna see the carfax

[bigvalboy]

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=332995&scid=84714439&sp=1&pos=7&locid=1496&iid=174037

 

It surprises me that his young man openly acknowledges his status.

 

Is this a way to say uninhibited is good?

 

I assume everybody but me is positive, that's why I'm negative.

 

There is an entire generation of young people that rightly or wrongly feel different about HIV than my generation does. I work with young people all day long, and most, if not all openly acknowledge their status. Many feel that being uninhibited is liberating, however none of these kids went through the early days of HIV like my generation did. Sadly the fear and stigma of HIV is not the same as two decades ago....

[Steven_Draker]

when you're selling sex, I wanna see the carfax

 

When you're selling cars, you wanna see the carfax. When you're selling sex you wanna protect yourself (if you wanna last)

[Frequentflier]

I would have preferred reading "always safe" versus "sometimes safe" on this guys ad.

 

I don't know the laws by state, but in addition to a moral obligation to tell potential clients he's positive, does he likely have the legal obligation to disclose his positive status?

[timmsown]

Sadly the fear and stigma of HIV is not the same as two decades ago....

 

I think it's a GOOD thing that the "fear and stigma" that was around 30 years ago when "GRID" was first identified has dissipated. As you may recall HIV was initially called Gay Related Immune Difficiency (GRID) until it was discovered that the virus was also contracted by Haitian men and Hemphiliacs. With time has come better treatment and a better understanding among the public.

[Steven_Draker]

... in addition to a moral obligation to tell potential clients he's positive, does he likely have the legal obligation to disclose his positive status?

 

Mars calling Jupiter ...

 

http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/01-abandon-hope-all-ye-who-enter-here-e1285714292550.jpg?w=1000

[KMEM]

The subject isn't humorous but your post certainly is.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[seeker630]

One ad does not constitute a trend

 

I think the thread title is a bit misleading.

 

Do you see a lot of other escorts announcing they are poz?

[seeker630]

I think it's a GOOD thing that the "fear and stigma" that was around 30 years ago when "GRID" was first identified has dissipated. As you may recall HIV was initially called Gay Related Immune Difficiency (GRID) until it was discovered that the virus was also contracted by Haitian men and Hemphiliacs. With time has come better treatment and a better understanding among the public.

 

I agree with you in part. I think it's a good thing that the stigma of having HIV has lessened (although I'm not sure to what extent). As for fear - I think I'll make a distinction between fear of those infected with HIV and fear of the virus itself & becoming infected. The latter is still a GOOD thing, I think. Too little fear is likely to result in risky behavior, I suspect. But we need to distringuish between the people who are infected and the things WE do that might result in infection.

[BaronArtz]

I think the thread title is a bit misleading.

 

Do you see a lot of other escorts announcing they are poz?

 

Yes, I have. Mostly on adam4adam, New York. Either directly, or indirectly ('anything goes', 'prefer bare', etc.). It doesn't surprise me, and I think it is a positive development.

[tyro]

SD, you're hot AND you know some Dante??

Hope you travel back my way soon, sir!

T

[bigvalboy]

As for fear - I think I'll make a distinction between fear of those infected with HIV and fear of the virus itself & becoming infected. The latter is still a GOOD thing, I think. Too little fear is likely to result in risky behavior, I suspect. But we need to distringuish between the people who are infected and the things WE do that might result in infection.

 

That was the exact point that I was trying to convey....Thank you for articulating it seeker.

[sfguy]

I don't know the laws by state, but in addition to a moral obligation to tell potential clients he's positive, does he likely have the legal obligation to disclose his positive status?

 

I don't know about Louisiana, but the laws across the US vary widely. In some states, the answer would be yes. Others, maybe. And in others still, the answer would be no.

[+ tristanbaldwin]

I applaud the escort's honesty. From a karma standpoint, he's sitting pretty...however, from a sales standpoint/marketing- I don't think he's going to get as much of a return as he hoped. He's doing the right thing; but we'd all be naive to think that of the thousands of working guys out there, there are hundreds that are and just don't mention it. Again, I agree with all the guys whose mindset is to automatically assume all partners are, and protect yourself and them as such.

[+ tristanbaldwin]

naive not* to think....I have been diplomatically corrected by an unmentioned member of the forum to...whom I owe 30 minutes after class in 'hard' study to...

[pittstudforyou]

yes, consenting and fully informed but one of them doesn't tell the truth.

 

It's always "my bf didn't tell me he was poz", is never a hook up, it's always a boyfriend.

 

Unfortunately the country gets the bill, guys how are poz take money from women with breast cancer.

 

Let's think about it: breast cancer = non preventable, Hiv = preventable and it's paid by all taxpayers.

 

Obesity is a national security risk, should we put Hiv in the same category?

[sfguy]

Unfortunately the country gets the bill, guys how are poz take money from women with breast cancer.

 

Let's think about it: breast cancer = non preventable, Hiv = preventable and it's paid by all taxpayers.

 

Obesity is a national security risk, should we put Hiv in the same category?

This is the most absurd thing I've read on this forum. How does HIV take away money from women with breast cancer? You're making unprovable assumptions about how HIV/AIDS money would be otherwise spent. Poz guys aren't taking money from anyone. It's not a zero-sum game.

 

Also, I'd love to see the studies that show breast cancer is not preventable. Medical science has not yet determined what causes breast cancer. Just because we don't know how to prevent it does not mean it's not preventable. Further, if a women fails to ever get a mammogram and then develops advanced breast cancer, who is she taking money away from? Early detection and treatment of malignant lumps can prevent advanced breast cancer. Shame on those women who don't get mammograms!

 

Where's your outrage regarding people with lung cancer, skin cancer, cirrhosis, type II diabetes, and coronary heart disease? Those are all preventable too and costs associated with those are paid by taxpayers as well. Aren't they taking money away from women with breast cancer too?

 

Your attitude simply reflects America's prudishness and revulsion of gay sex. HIV is just as preventable as many other serious chronic illnesses, yet because it relates to sex, particularly sex between men, people lay a far greater blame on those with HIV than they do for other illnesses. The level of vitriol HIV-positive men, in particular, receive is vastly greater than anyone who suffered a heart attack because they had poor diet, never exercised, and smoked.

 

Your "preventable vs. nonpreventable" logic is the product of those who hate gay men.

[sfguy]

Also regarding hook up vs. boyfriend, of course few people are going to publicly say "I was being slutty and ended up with HIV," in part because of people who will tell them that they deserved it. Additionally, the boyfriend line isn't far-fetched. Think of it this way, someone having unprotected sex 10 times with the same guy who is positive (if he does not know he is positive or is not in treatment) is probably at higher risk than someone who hooks up with 10 different guys of unknown status, since at least a few of those guys will likely be negative.

 

So it's not exactly unreasonable for a guy to believe he contracted HIV from his HIV-positive boyfriend who he had sex 100 times with rather than a hook up he may have had sex with only once.

[curtis20009]

This is the most absurd thing I've read on this forum. How does HIV take away money from women with breast cancer? You're making unprovable assumptions about how HIV/AIDS money would be otherwise spent. Poz guys aren't taking money from anyone. It's not a zero-sum game.

 

Also, I'd love to see the studies that show breast cancer is not preventable. Medical science has not yet determined what causes breast cancer. Just because we don't know how to prevent it does not mean it's not preventable. Further, if a women fails to ever get a mammogram and then develops advanced breast cancer, who is she taking money away from? Early detection and treatment of malignant lumps can prevent advanced breast cancer. Shame on those women who don't get mammograms!

 

Where's your outrage regarding people with lung cancer, skin cancer, cirrhosis, type II diabetes, and coronary heart disease? Those are all preventable too and costs associated with those are paid by taxpayers as well. Aren't they taking money away from women with breast cancer too?

 

Your attitude simply reflects America's prudishness and revulsion of gay sex. HIV is just as preventable as many other serious chronic illnesses, yet because it relates to sex, particularly sex between men, people lay a far greater blame on those with HIV than they do for other illnesses. The level of vitriol HIV-positive men, in particular, receive is vastly greater than anyone who suffered a heart attack because they had poor diet, never exercised, and smoked.

 

Your "preventable vs. nonpreventable" logic is the product of those who hate gay men.

 

"There's no such a thing as a free lunch" someone is paying for it.

 

We are headed toward socialized medicine, let's use healthcare money properly.

[curtis20009]

Also regarding hook up vs. boyfriend, of course few people are going to publicly say "I was being slutty and ended up with HIV," in part because of people who will tell them that they deserved it. Additionally, the boyfriend line isn't far-fetched. Think of it this way, someone having unprotected sex 10 times with the same guy who is positive (if he does not know he is positive or is not in treatment) is probably at higher risk than someone who hooks up with 10 different guys of unknown status, since at least a few of those guys will likely be negative.

 

So it's not exactly unreasonable for a guy to believe he contracted HIV from his HIV-positive boyfriend who he had sex 100 times with rather than a hook up he may have had sex with only once.

 

It doesn't matter how many times you hook up. You need to use a condom 100% of the time for anal sex.

 

Before BB think: "Would I give my bf an extension of my credit card?". If the answer is yes, move together, get tested, keep getting tested and have BB fun.

 

Remember that if you get infected the American people will get the bill for those expensive pills.