n00b question: escorts who DEMAND a tip?

[citylaw1]

Fuck him. I would never see him again. I assume that's a given?

 

I never tip. I prefer to have wonderful dinners, drinks, experiences, etc. I don't see tipping as necessary if an agency isn't involved.

[robberbaron4u]

Try this line: "Regretfully, I have been wiped out in speculation on the Peruvian cotton market. As the cash I have paid you in hand represents the balance of my exchequer, the happy experience you have just afforded me will be a consolation to me as I now go to throw myself from the rooftop garden of this establishment. Thank you and goodbye. . ."

[KMEM]

LOL.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[nate_sf]

And unfortunately seeker630 is right… He lost what could’ve been a long-lasting business relationship of sorts (because i'd hired him a few times already and did start talking about maybe him setting aside a few 1-hour blocks during the week for me) and I lost his services, which I actually

enjoyed because within his… uhm… how can I phrase it… within his “repertoire of skills” he was able to fulfill a lot of mildly unusual requests I really like. And after all this back-and-forth ignoring I guess I just can’t txt back and pretend nothing happened. Oh man, this hiring boys thing can be more complicated than I thought.

 

 

But would anyone here had actually gone out with him, returned the boots, got the refund and then take him on a shopping spree? Particularly during the holiday season where everyone’s busy (or at least I am)? I think that was WAY out of line, right?

 

If indeed the guy is a special hot fuck and your safety concerns were more related to the awkward situation and his size (but not anything that he said or did that was specifically threatening) I'd encourage you to consider giving him another try. It sounds like he has maybe challenged social skills and did not handle the situation well, but overall it was a misunderstanding more than anything. Suggesting a shopping spree and a tip is tacky, but could be chalked up to being a rookie maneuver. If otherwise he is good in bed and gets you off I think you could give it another try. A simple "sorry about the cowboy boots thing - can we give this another try?" could open things, then you can see how he reacts.

 

A few months ago I'd been seeing a regular client (not anyone who posts here, just to be clear), and at the end of the session he asked that I mix some cocktails. I don't know anything about cocktails (mostly a beer and wine guy) and told him so, but he said don't worry just do it. So I did, but obviously fucked it up. He took a sip and said something like "good god - how much booze did you put in this thing!" and a few minutes later said it was getting late and I should head home. Did not hear back from him for many months, and thought to myself "I can't believe I got fired because I fucked up the cocktail!"

 

Well, this past week he got back in touch and we got together again. No mention was made of the cocktail at all, and who knows maybe I was wrong and there were other reasons for the lapse. It was just business as usual, except the sex was better than ever. Maybe it took going through some weirdness and coming out the other side to evolve the relationship to another place. Who knows, but we left both pleased that we were back on track. Maybe that can happen with your guy too.

[Frequentflier]

I paid him his fee in full and my tip I told him was to make appointments with people that stay at better hotels in Las Vegas.

 

That's a great comment...I hope if I'm ever having a similar discussion with an escort over fees I am as witty as that. Thanks for the laugh.

[PATRICK12]

On first visit I tip if the service and guy were exceptional. Over a dinner or drink you get to know the guy and decide if he is your "type" not only in looks but in attitude and values. With guys I see on a regular basis I usually buy a small gift to give them as we meet - one of my guys likes a particular type of candy not available in US but common in UK so I throw a couple of bags in the case specially for him! Plus a little something extra. Whilst seeing an escort is a "business" transaction over time you get to the b/f experience and then if the feeling is mutual gifts, tips, fees just become part of being together. Takes time - and time is the best investment.

[geoffk]

As a client who has encountered this situation it is true that some escorts that you hire will test your limits of paying them. It is not uncommon to come to an agreement beforehand only to be told in a session that you need to pay more for what you thought you already agreed to. I think in this situation the client felt he had been doing good things for his regular guy but the guy took his additional generosity (and/or expensive gift for client satisfaction) as a sign the client could pay more easily. It's tough to be involved with escorts on a regular basis that "need" this money to live/survive they are always looking for more. I think we are just hiring for some fun not to be the supporter of the escort.

[gp0560]

Let's get back to the boots for a second.

 

Where do you guys all come from, anyway? Maybe it's just me and my midwestern values, but those boots are USED, FFS! Is it OK in your area of the country to return a wedding dress after it's been used once? OP bought the boots, OK. Someone used said boots in a fantasy session, OK. I assume (yes, assumption) is that the OP or the escort put their feet in said boots for said fantasy. Fuck, man, now they're USED BOOTS! The OP is regifting USED BOOTS. No one can/should return them, with or without the receipt. If the OP no longer wants the USED BOOTS, they are essentially cast-offs, haulaway-able trash. So if he gives the USED BOOTS to the escort instead of to a rummage sale., the USED BOOTS are not in lieu of a tip. I think the escort was entirely correct in letting the OP know that curbside pickup material was not a substitute for a tip. Actually, he's pointing out that USED BOOTS are in fact USED and not a normal tip-gift.

 

Personally, I think the idea of contacting the escort, apologizing for the USED BOOTS incident, and asking for a reboot (see what I did there?) of the relationship is a fine way to go.

 

But then I'm just a midwest bumpkin, not used ta yer hifalutin ways. Just a babe in the woods, and I need something to suck on. (Preferably not made of boot leather.)

[seeker630]

Let's get back to the boots for a second.

 

Where do you guys all come from, anyway? Maybe it's just me and my midwestern values, but those boots are USED, FFS! Is it OK in your area of the country to return a wedding dress after it's been used once? OP bought the boots, OK. Someone used said boots in a fantasy session, OK. I assume (yes, assumption) is that the OP or the escort put their feet in said boots for said fantasy. Fuck, man, now they're USED BOOTS! The OP is regifting USED BOOTS. No one can/should return them, with or without the receipt. If the OP no longer wants the USED BOOTS, they are essentially cast-offs, haulaway-able trash. So if he gives the USED BOOTS to the escort instead of to a rummage sale., the USED BOOTS are not in lieu of a tip. I think the escort was entirely correct in letting the OP know that curbside pickup material was not a substitute for a tip. Actually, he's pointing out that USED BOOTS are in fact USED and not a normal tip-gift.

 

Personally, I think the idea of contacting the escort, apologizing for the USED BOOTS incident, and asking for a reboot (see what I did there?) of the relationship is a fine way to go.

 

But then I'm just a midwest bumpkin, not used ta yer hifalutin ways. Just a babe in the woods, and I need something to suck on. (Preferably not made of boot leather.)

 

As I read the original post, the boots were purchased for the escort to wear, so they were 'used' by the escort. If they were purchased for the escort in the first place, I don't consider that 're-gifting', nor have theny been 'used' by a second-party.

[down_to_business]

Let's get back to the boots for a second.

 

Where do you guys all come from, anyway? Maybe it's just me and my midwestern values, but those boots are USED, FFS! Is it OK in your area of the country to return a wedding dress after it's been used once? OP bought the boots, OK. Someone used said boots in a fantasy session, OK. I assume (yes, assumption) is that the OP or the escort put their feet in said boots for said fantasy. Fuck, man, now they're USED BOOTS! The OP is regifting USED BOOTS. No one can/should return them, with or without the receipt. If the OP no longer wants the USED BOOTS, they are essentially cast-offs, haulaway-able trash. So if he gives the USED BOOTS to the escort instead of to a rummage sale., the USED BOOTS are not in lieu of a tip. I think the escort was entirely correct in letting the OP know that curbside pickup material was not a substitute for a tip. Actually, he's pointing out that USED BOOTS are in fact USED and not a normal tip-gift.

 

Personally, I think the idea of contacting the escort, apologizing for the USED BOOTS incident, and asking for a reboot (see what I did there?) of the relationship is a fine way to go.

 

But then I'm just a midwest bumpkin, not used ta yer hifalutin ways. Just a babe in the woods, and I need something to suck on. (Preferably not made of boot leather.)

 

So, I want to go out with my escort for a formal evening, so I purchase a Dolce&Gabbana Velvet Trimmed Designer Tuxedo, in my escorts size, for the encounter. If I understand you correctly, as a client I would be a total sack of crap if I dare thought it would be a nice gesture to let the escort keep the tuxedo? How dare I consider letting the escort keep this tuxedo that he did not ask for as something extra to reward him for his services?

 

Wow, sure didn't realize what a horrible client I was. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

[spunky]

Hey there everyone. Sorry for the very, very, VERY late reply. School started last week and I’m hammering at my thesis like a madman because, as you can all imagine, too much fun during the holiday season meant my thesis stayed virtually untouched (ok, maybe not *virtually*… just *untouched*).

 

 

In any case… first of all I feel very honoured to see how much attention my thread received. I thought I was probably going to get maybe 1 or 2 (luckily 3) short responses saying ‘yes’ or ‘no’. Instead, what I got were 4-pages of mostly well-reasoned arguments concerning whether I did right or wrong. I really, really appreciate the time and effort you guys put into this, particularly for someone like me who’s still kinda new to this whole thing about hiring guys and the ‘dos’ and ‘donts’ of what makes an encounter a good one (both for me and for the escort). Rest assured that I read every single one of the responses, which is the least I can do if I’m asking for somebody’s opinion or help.

 

 

It seems to me that, in the end, the advice is conflicting. Lots of people gave me good reasons to justify whether I acted correctly or not. In retrospect yes, I don’t think the escort would have beaten me up had I not given him a tip and I have no clue why I felt like that. I’m thinking maybe I felt a little bit unsafe because that was the first time I didn’t have him over in my apt. I went to have my session at his place. In any case, for anyone interested in how the saga ended, here it is. Eventually, my need for his… uhm… particular “services” overpowered the awkward situation where we found each other in before and I tried to find his contact on rentboy… just to see it wasn’t there anymore. He has a ‘work email’, so to speak, and tried writing to him therebut he didn’t reply back. He’s a straight guy and works in an environment where being gay is somewhat frowned-upon, so I’m thinking that every now and then he just completely disconnects from his escorting activities to make sure no one will find him? Who knows, just a theory of mine. In any case… I guess it’s time to get yet another pair of boots for another (lucky?)

escort. If anyone in this board is ever in Vancouver and sees a good-looking guy wearing brand new cowboy boots (which aren’t very common to see in the city)… you now know how he got them ;-)

 

 

PS- Most of the sex I have is (VERY) deviant and perverse, so expect more crazy sexcapades every now and then… and me asking for advice, of course. When I have crazy sex I sometimes end up in somewhat unusual situations where I will need the wisdom of my elders to guide my actions :-) I’m planning to start another thread with something like “What do you do if your escort handcuffs you to the bed and ends up losing the key?” Stay tuned ;-)

[spunky]

Let's get back to the boots for a second.

 

Where do you guys all come from, anyway? Maybe it's just me and my midwestern values, but those boots are USED, FFS! Is it OK in your area of the country to return a wedding dress after it's been used once? OP bought the boots, OK. Someone used said boots in a fantasy session, OK. I assume (yes, assumption) is that the OP or the escort put their feet in said boots for said fantasy. Fuck, man, now they're USED BOOTS! The OP is regifting USED BOOTS. No one can/should return them, with or without the receipt. If the OP no longer wants the USED BOOTS, they are essentially cast-offs, haulaway-able trash. So if he gives the USED BOOTS to the escort instead of to a rummage sale., the USED BOOTS are not in lieu of a tip. I think the escort was entirely correct in letting the OP know that curbside pickup material was not a substitute for a tip. Actually, he's pointing out that USED BOOTS are in fact USED and not a normal tip-gift.

 

Personally, I think the idea of contacting the escort, apologizing for the USED BOOTS incident, and asking for a reboot (see what I did there?) of the relationship is a fine way to go.

 

But then I'm just a midwest bumpkin, not used ta yer hifalutin ways. Just a babe in the woods, and I need something to suck on. (Preferably not made of boot leather.)

 

 

“Midwest bumpkin”, you said? Oh don’t flatter yourself… at least choose more appropriate words like a “complete J.a.C.k.A.s.S.” or a “F.u.C.kTard”. Do your “midwestern values” make you vomit idiocy over yourself often? How in your sane mind can you think I’m “re-gifting” used boots? (a) He knew he was gonna keep them right from the start (I was very clear on that) and he loved the idea (or I guess he loved it until he realised he couldn’t find something that he liked in the store I got them from) and (b) Probably you’re used to people giving you used stuff as “gifts”. In the civilised world we get people NEW stuff as gifts, which is what he got… a brandNEW (yes, can you read that? New as in “unused”? N-E-W? maybe I need to bold it just in case you’re too stupid to miss it, NEW) pair boots for him to do as he pleased. So yes, it was more for my pleasure than his use… and so what? For Christ sake, he got a $300-freebie! PLUS his asking rate PLUS a tip! Advice for you: read OPs first… *THINK* before replying and then (and only then) type your answer. I know the *thinking* part may be tricky for you, but trust me, the Internet does not need more shameful displays of cretinism.

[gp0560]

I thought the easiest solution would be to buy him a pair and let him keep them + the receipt in case he didn’t like them and wanted to exchange them for something else. So we’re talking about a $300 “gift” for the guy, not counting his rate (which is also $300). For this session in question I asked him to wear the boots again, we did stuff, and two things that rubbed me the wrong way happened. The first one was that he had been to the store where I got the boots (because he didn’t like them) and tried to find something that was more “his style” so he could exchange them. Because he didn’t find anything, he wanted to take me to the store so I could get a refund on my credit card and later go on a shopping spree with him using the refunded amount.

 

Spunky, you are quite right, you said the boots were a gift and I apologize for not going back to your OP. By way of explanation, NOT excuse, I was distracted by my real point in posting. See below.

 

As I read the original post, the boots were purchased for the escort to wear, so they were 'used' by the escort. If they were purchased for the escort in the first place, I don't consider that 're-gifting', nor have they been 'used' by a second-party.

 

Seeker630, you are quite right, the OP said the boots were a gift and I have just apologized to him for not going back to the OP. He was not regifting. See below.

 

So, I want to go out with my escort for a formal evening, so I purchase a Dolce&Gabbana Velvet Trimmed Designer Tuxedo, in my escorts size, for the encounter. If I understand you correctly, as a client I would be a total sack of crap if I dare thought it would be a nice gesture to let the escort keep the tuxedo? How dare I consider letting the escort keep this tuxedo that he did not ask for as something extra to reward him for his services?

 

Wow, sure didn't realize what a horrible client I was. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

 

down_to_business, I'm sure you are not a horrible client, especially since you are, hypothetically anyway, giving away D&G tuxedos. The thing is, the escort in question did not, in fact, want to keep the gift boots. If, in your scenario, you offered the tuxedo as a gift and your escort did not want to keep it, then your example would be parallel to the OP's. Neither the OP nor the escort wanted to keep the boots. What would you do if he foolishly declined the tuxedo? Return it to the tailor and try to get your money back? See below.

 

. . . “complete J.a.C.k.A.s.S.” or a “F.u.C.kTard”. . . Vomit idiocy over yourself often? . . . He loved it until he realised he couldn’t find something that he liked in the store I got them from) . . . In the civilized world we get people NEW stuff as gifts, which is what he got… a brandNEW (yes, can you read that? New as in “unused”? N-E-W? maybe I need to bold it just in case you’re too stupid to miss it, NEW) pair boots for him to do as he pleased. . . Advice for you: read OPs first… *THINK* before replying . . . I know the *thinking* part may be tricky for you . . . shameful displays of cretinism.

 

Spunky, you are quite right, you said the boots were new and again I apologize for not going back to your OP.

 

I recognize that the point I really wanted to make was buried in my confusion over who would be keeping the boots. So, what was I trying to get at? (If anybody cares anymore.) It's that I don't think either the client or the escort should be returning USED BOOTS. The escort didn't care for them, but I think it's too late to return them. They've served twice to fulfill the client's fantasies, and my point is that they should not be returned any more than a wedding dress should be returned after the ceremony. I don't care whose boots they are, I care about returning used goods and expecting credit for the purchase price. The store owner would be out the price of the boots, unless he/she felt is was OK to put them out for sale again. In that case, in the civilized world, another customer might expect the boots to be suitable as a gift. In other words, NEW stuff, brand NEW, new as in "unused," N-E-W, NEW. The USED BOOTS would not qualify.

 

I can go over this again, if I am not making my point clear this time either. You may disagree with my opinion, of course.

[+ purplekow]

I recognize that the point I really wanted to make was buried in my confusion over who would be keeping the boots. So, what was I trying to get at? (If anybody cares anymore.) It's that I don't think either the client or the escort should be returning USED BOOTS. The escort didn't care for them, but I think it's too late to return them. They've served twice to fulfill the client's fantasies, and my point is that they should not be returned any more than a wedding dress should be returned after the ceremony. I don't care whose boots they are, I care about returning used goods and expecting credit for the purchase price. The store owner would be out the price of the boots, unless he/she felt is was OK to put them out for sale again. In that case, in the civilized world, another customer might expect the boots to be suitable as a gift. In other words, NEW stuff, brand NEW, new as in "unused," N-E-W, NEW. The USED BOOTS would not qualify.

 

I can go over this again, if I am not making my point clear this time either. You may disagree with my opinion, of course.

 

It would really depend on how the boots were used in the fantasy as to whether they were used beyond the point of being returned as new.

 

if the OP had gotten the boots for the escort for Xmas rather than Xplay and the escort tried on the boots and decided they did not fit properly, most of us would have no problem with the boots being returned as new, though in fact they were worn. If they were worn and had obvious scuff marks on the soles, then returning them would be a bit dicier.

 

Return policies are different from store to store and the retailer will have the ultimate say in whether the boots are in appropriate condition for return.

 

 

It may be that the OP's fantasy was merely pretending to be a boot salesman who, while bringing the boots to his rough looking, gruff but sexy customer, smells the leather of the boots and then slowly removes the shoes of the customer, then fondles the customer;s feet and then assists with the customer entering the boots. When the customer complains that the boots are too tight, the OP removes the boots, slyly sniffing them again, and then removes the custome's socks and massages the slightly sore but surprisingly soft and sweet smelling feet. The deep contented moans of the customer as his feet are gently at first and then more firmly massaged, leads the OP to slide his hands up over the customers muscular hairy calves and....well you get the idea. The boots have done their cameo role, and as long as no one ends up cumming inside them, they could be returned without anyone feeling they were "used"

[gp0560]

It would really depend on how the boots were used in the fantasy as to whether they were used beyond the point of being returned as new.

 

if the OP had gotten the boots for the escort for Xmas rather than Xplay and the escort tried on the boots and decided they did not fit properly, most of us would have no problem with the boots being returned as new, though in fact they were worn. If they were worn and had obvious scuff marks on the soles, then returning them would be a bit dicier.

 

Return policies are different from store to store and the retailer will have the ultimate say in whether the boots are in appropriate condition for return.

 

 

It may be that the OP's fantasy was merely pretending to be a boot salesman who, while bringing the boots to his rough looking, gruff but sexy customer, smells the leather of the boots and then slowly removes the shoes of the customer, then fondles the customer;s feet and then assists with the customer entering the boots. When the customer complains that the boots are too tight, the OP removes the boots, slyly sniffing them again, and then removes the custome's socks and massages the slightly sore but surprisingly soft and sweet smelling feet. The deep contented moans of the customer as his feet are gently at first and then more firmly massaged, leads the OP to slide his hands up over the customers muscular hairy calves and....well you get the idea. The boots have done their cameo role, and as long as no one ends up cumming inside them, they could be returned without anyone feeling they were "used"

 

I agree. I had trouble imagining a non-"using" scenario before, and now I'm having trouble keeping my hands on the keyboard because I don't.

[seeker630]

Spunky, you are quite right, you said the boots were a gift and I apologize for not going back to your OP. By way of explanation, NOT excuse, I was distracted by my real point in posting. See below....

 

I can go over this again, if I am not making my point clear this time either. You may disagree with my opinion, of course.

 

gp0506, thanks for a rational and civil response.

[+ azdr0710]

glad this thread has produced some nice comments and options....

 

however, would love to hear the details on how the boot scene played itself out!!...PK's post got me curious!

[Frequentflier]

“Midwest bumpkin”, you said? Oh don’t flatter yourself… at least choose more appropriate words like a “complete J.a.C.k.A.s.S.” or a “F.u.C.kTard”. Do your “midwestern values” make you vomit idiocy over yourself often? How in your sane mind can you think I’m “re-gifting” used boots? (a) He knew he was gonna keep them right from the start (I was very clear on that) and he loved the idea (or I guess he loved it until he realised he couldn’t find something that he liked in the store I got them from) and (b) Probably you’re used to people giving you used stuff as “gifts”. In the civilised world we get people NEW stuff as gifts, which is what he got… a brandNEW (yes, can you read that? New as in “unused”? N-E-W? maybe I need to bold it just in case you’re too stupid to miss it, NEW) pair boots for him to do as he pleased. So yes, it was more for my pleasure than his use… and so what? For Christ sake, he got a $300-freebie! PLUS his asking rate PLUS a tip! Advice for you: read OPs first… *THINK* before replying and then (and only then) type your answer. I know the *thinking* part may be tricky for you, but trust me, the Internet does not need more shameful displays of cretinism.

 

There are ways to correct the post by "gp" but this post by "Spunky" is not the right way. I think this is the first post I've seen calling another member foul words and it doesn't stop there. If I was "Spunky", I'd ask a Moderator if its possible to delete what was said and start a response to "gp" over. Each of us have a subject or even several that will get us going but I think calling another foul words and referring to them as an idiot, etc, etc. will reduce overall participation and it reduces, eliminates any respect (even for all of us anonymous members) for the person using that language and takes away from the many benefits of this site.

[seeker630]

There are ways to correct the post by "gp" but this post by "Spunky" is not the right way. I think this is the first post I've seen calling another member foul words and it doesn't stop there. If I was "Spunky", I'd ask a Moderator if its possible to delete what was said and start a response to "gp" over. Each of us have a subject or even several that will get us going but I think calling another foul words and referring to them as an idiot, etc, etc. will reduce overall participation and it reduces, eliminates any respect (even for all of us anonymous members) for the person using that language and takes away from the many benefits of this site.

 

Totally agree, but unfortunately you don't have to look far to find similar behavior elsewhere on the board.

[Adam Michaels]

I've been in this business a few years now. Have been taken on many weekend adventures by many clients. All paid in full in cash. Many great hotel stays, in fancy high end hotels too. Have many repeat clients, and never have asked anyone for a tip!

 

Wrong! The 1s time it came out of his mouth was the red flag. He's an ingrate. Clients have gifted me laptops, a video camera, Orchids, champagne, wine, and sometimes just the amount listed as me fee.

 

All I expect is my fee. Nothing more. If I get more. GREAT! If not, I am not upset, much less demand "a tip"!

 

Move on and find another who can appreciate any gift you decide to offer. You were very generous. Check out my site and hit me up if I'm your type.

 

http://www.AdamMichaelsOnline.com

 

Good luck!

[Adam Michaels]

I agree with this post that something you may have said may have led this escort to think that he could count on you. And yes it is true that sometimes escorts learn to rely or at least count on certain clients for assistance, especially if you led them to think you would hire them multiple times.

 

Yes, boots were not really a tip in his eyes since he didn't like them, and they were really part of your fantasy. Maybe not his taste at all. Either way you did pay his full fee, and I would not have asked for more, but it didn't seem like he was doing anything really wrong here either.

 

Something you should learn from. Maybe about how you communicate with escorts. Maybe best to speak after the experience, and make no promises, before.

 

Good luck.

[biguy]

Can't really reply to the original session described - lots of opinions out there. But I always tip generously when I have a terrific time - clearly the escort puts his "all" into those sessions. In the end, it all comes back.

[bigvalboy]

Let's get back to the boots for a second.

 

Where do you guys all come from, anyway? Maybe it's just me and my midwestern values, but those boots are USED, FFS! Is it OK in your area of the country to return a wedding dress after it's been used once? OP bought the boots, OK. Someone used said boots in a fantasy session, OK. I assume (yes, assumption) is that the OP or the escort put their feet in said boots for said fantasy. Fuck, man, now they're USED BOOTS! The OP is regifting USED BOOTS. No one can/should return them, with or without the receipt. If the OP no longer wants the USED BOOTS, they are essentially cast-offs, haulaway-able trash. So if he gives the USED BOOTS to the escort instead of to a rummage sale., the USED BOOTS are not in lieu of a tip. I think the escort was entirely correct in letting the OP know that curbside pickup material was not a substitute for a tip. Actually, he's pointing out that USED BOOTS are in fact USED and not a normal tip-gift.

 

Personally, I think the idea of contacting the escort, apologizing for the USED BOOTS incident, and asking for a reboot (see what I did there?) of the relationship is a fine way to go.

 

But then I'm just a midwest bumpkin, not used ta yer hifalutin ways. Just a babe in the woods, and I need something to suck on. (Preferably not made of boot leather.)

 

First off I can't believe that I am even responding this post that is several weeks old, but here goes...Well you might be a country bumpkin but you are entirely right here. Except for one thing, in LA the boots would be absolutely returnable if they were not worn on the street and only used on carpet...but the real issue is whether or not the boots should be used in-lieu of a tip, or should they be considered a gift. You are spot on gp0560. In my view they should not be used in place of a tip. The boots were only a gift in the eye of the client, who is obviously too lazy to return them, ooops, I'm sorry, he said he was "too busy"...Right!!! But somehow seems offended that the poor escort doesn't want them. The whole fantasy boot thing was the clients idea, not the escorts. Don't be so freakin cheap, and pony up the money for a decent tip and make the escort happy. Be a man about it. Coming to a public forum and throwing out this ridiculous story that you want everyone to swallow is just a bit much. I think the OP should do what gp0560 suggests and just put them curbside for the trash man....and that's all I've got to say about that.

[Frequentflier]

Any service provider who "demanded a tip" from me wouldn't get one and probably worse for them, I wouldn't come back for more.

 

I think a lot (not saying "all") service providers would prefer a returning/regular customer. If you're an escort and you have ten regular (at least overnight) customers a month at just $1,000, that's $120,000 a year in cash income. At some point you might not need any advertising and you have more time to yourself by not having to answer inquiries from potential customers. Not too crazy to think you'd see your 10 twice a month and you've got $240,000 a year. Live on maybe $50,000 a year of that or live on the income from some "real" job (personal training, barista, something) and you could be putting 100% of the escorting revenue into savings. Mix, match this view with other economics but I think there is a good business model while a guy is interested and enthusiastic about this type of work.

 

Could imagine an escort who started in his early twenties and is not in their thirties are multi millionaires (even if we assume some taxes are paid)? Please correct me if my imagination or math is wrong

[bigvalboy]

Please correct me if my imagination or math is wrong

 

lol lol....methinks your imagination and math is wrong, or else you've sippin on the Gin today. I have been hiring for 40+ years, and never once, not even one time in all those years have I seen an escort live close to what would appear like they are making the kind of money that you propose.

 

Hell if that were the case, I would get me a personal trainer, a little nip and tuck, a little botox, a nice hair piece, some of those blue contact lenses, and a cute little thong and start working the gay beach in Lauderdale.

 

And lastly let us not forget that the escort did not "demand" anything, he only suggested that tipping was OK. I tip everyone in my life that serves me.....bartenders, limo drivers, hotel staff, anyone in a restaurant, masseurs, escorts,etc. you get the idea., but that's just me. Each to his own.