Feeling bored senseless working in America,but how much different in other countries?

[JoeyBryant]

By bored I dont mean to imply persons I'm seeing as being boring, but over the course of visiting many states...I feel the volume of work just isn't where I want it to be. From an escort's perspective, there's just too many guys trying to do the same thing and not enough clients to go around. Even where I'm locally based, it's double the amount of guys on adam4adam than it was 2 years ago (I know that's not the best indicator, but still)

 

Last month I took my first visit to LA thinking It'd be great and I'd have offers round the clock (like the million other escorts looking for the same thing) and the first night I was off to a great start, but the subsequent days following had absolutely nothing. What really struck me as 'interesting' was too the fact the only clients I did meet were Black-American. Though I am myself and I had no qualms about my clients either...in a place like LA with it's demographics, I found that rather strange. As for the rest of the travel cities, after a couple visits you start coming back home with what you left with by the time you pay out the ass for everything along the way.

 

Don't get me wrong, many of these visits are very well worth it otherwise I wouldn't be taking them on. I was gone nearly every week in November and it was anything but mediocre, But when I hear in other countries taking 2-4-8 clients a day, the numbers just don't compare. Not to suggest I would or even could handle those numbers, but it would be nice to be presented with the oppurtunity. It's like why can't I get those numbers in this country? What's wrong with me? It's not me...I just feel I live in a market (region) that is:

 

A) half-ass open to sexuality and even less so to using it for profit.

B) Favors double standards e.g.I hookup with random guys left and right for free but God-forbid you're an escort I find that incomprehensible.

C) Too many gay men feeling entitled to (and rightfully receive) free sex despite the fact that we're really not compatible in real life for a plethora of reasons, because there's "too much free stuff out there".

D) and of course the fact that all the former heyday cities that used to be good now suck because so many guys have inudated the market without there necessarily being an increase in clients.

 

Then back to my local area, things haven't gotten much better...only worse. It seems the client pool here is just as repetitive as adam4adam, grindr and the bars around here: the same people day in day out. And it doesn't matter whether I'm on the sites or not, if they are there to begin with they arent going to magically hire an escort anywho. It's like after 2 years you'd think there be a replinishment in the available clients in the area but i hasn't been anything significant. Ive also noticed the local callers have gotten so complacent in their inquiries, calling when I'm clearly out of town or calling when I'm in the middle of something and then not making any effort to set up a mutually convenient time to meet. Just sporadic.

 

I'm just in like desperate need (mentally, not necessarily finacially) to shake things up and go someplace outside of the country. The thing is the websites that are used here don't register the same number of users in other countries. For example in Australia and France...on men4rent those numbers look way low (probably because other countries have better outlets not to advertise on a site that doesn't allow to list rates). I'm wondering what paid sites are good to use as GayRomeo seems questionable, but I'm not necessarily doubting it.

 

Does anyone else agree with what I'm saying? Or am I just making all this up?

[+ not2rowdy]

Joey -

 

I'm going to comment even though this is in the ask an escort section..

 

Not your first thread regarding relocating - you have a travel bug in you :-)

 

Follow your heart.

 

But the grass is not always greener….

 

I don't think Denver is the best place for someone with a travel bug. Too conservative and too isolated with difficult travel to other major markets. For someone with a travel bug you should, initially, look at a major transportation hub - ideally one that has competitive international connections.

 

Relocating to a foreign location is a whole different challenge which should be approached with GREAT caution. Why is it that the USA seems to be so popular with foreign escorts? The grass may not be greener….

 

My advice is to relocate - but stay in the USA.

 

Research cost of living information including apartment rental, hotel costs, utilities, transportation (highways, air, rail, public), taxes, etc.

 

When you find that ideal affordable location, with a large potential client base (preferably including international clients), relocate there. There's a saying in real estate - "location, location, location". That certainly holds true for your career too.

 

Feel free to contact me off-forum if you want a "sounding board" to discuss relocation ideas.

[rickp]

There are so many international clients coming though NYC, it's almost like being in a different country. In the past 2 days I seen clients from England, Scotland, and Australia. All on holiday vacation here in New York. It's a great place to be.

[JoeyBryant]

Not your first thread regarding relocating - you have a travel bug in you :-)

 

When you find that ideal affordable location, with a large potential client base (preferably including international clients), relocate there. There's a saying in real estate - "location, location, location". That certainly holds true for your career too.

 

Feel free to contact me off-forum if you want a "sounding board" to discuss relocation ideas.

 

Absolutely. But having lived for as long as I did in Florida, I wonder if it's a travel bug or simply a matter of not be accustomed to the different pace of lifestyle (except in some ways it's more advanced here than most of Florida).

 

Regardless of what it is, I'll have to continue on traveling anyhow. What's funny is when I add everything up over the months and years, I'm still doing better now than I was when I started...like so far this year I've not traveled anywhere and not seen any clients like I've experienced in the beginning. The main issue is the local selection, like I mentioned there doesn't seem to be any replenishment. Having a place with that international population like you mentioned, would likely make a difference.

 

There are so many international clients coming though NYC, it's almost like being in a different country. In the past 2 days I seen clients from England, Scotland, and Australia. All on holiday vacation here in New York. It's a great place to be.

 

I've met a couple of Australians in my area...another place I've been curious about visiting.

 

Maybe I'm missing out, but I just find it hard to imagine going to New York and getting the kind of business I want out there. I look at the bottom page of rentboy and every single day there's new guys popping up (maybe dropping off too?). I know NYC and LA are not to be compared (Madonna comes to mind), but I would compare the markets in both places and wonder how much more different the outcome would be.

 

Once again, I'm not looking to go to already saturated markets, hence my desire to go overseas. The issue with America is there's little room for even an exotic person to stand out in the large markets (Miami, LA, NYC). Everybody's jumping on the bandwagon. Everyone is all going to the same cities with the same dreams trying to meet the same clients. And gay America with all the outlets available for free and reduced-price sex, there doesn't seem to be any promises for success.

 

On a day to day basis, I feel like I'm on the verge of just selling everything: car, furniture, everything...and just starting fresh overseas. Not just because of work, but because you can travel so far and wide in this country, and still not feel much change. Only thing retarding me is having traveled enough nationally, I do realize that it does take a few visits before you can just jump ship.

[rickp]

I can't really speak for LA but a few things come to mind that make me think they would be very different markets. New York is geographically very small, making it a lot easier to get around. It also gets a lot a visitors for both business and tourism, making for a constant influx of new people every day.

 

Another plus, is that the cities on the upper east coast are much closer together, making easy overnight trips between, dc, philly, baltimore, etc.

[JoeyBryant]

I can't really speak for LA but a few things come to mind that make me think they would be very different markets. New York is geographically very small, making it a lot easier to get around. It also gets a lot a visitors for both business and tourism, making for a constant influx of new people every day.

 

Another plus, is that the cities on the upper east coast are much closer together, making easy overnight trips between, dc, philly, baltimore, etc.

 

Yeah distance was definitely a factor, but apparently where I stayed was 'high rent' according to some and it was centrally located.

[Browser]

Joey. Sorry you are not getting the results you want from your escorting - especially your recent trip to LA. I was in LA when you were there - saw your ad and was interested in seeing you. However, in all honesty, when you indicated "sometimes safe" in you ad, meaning to me that you will bareback, it turned me off. I know you have to assume that all sexual partners may be HIV pos, but when an escort says he doesn't always take appropriate precautions, I usually pass them up. Just a thought......

[Diverdan]

Joey,

I am not an escort, but you might try having some private conversations with folks like Steve Draker and others who travel internationally and seem to fare very well. Depending on your interests, you might find much of what you want in London or Berlin. This time of year, Australia (Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide) are fantastic places to visit and I suspect have lots of opportunities for you and your work. Good luck with your decisions.

DD

[JoeyBryant]

Joey. Sorry you are not getting the results you want from your escorting - especially your recent trip to LA. I was in LA when you were there - saw your ad and was interested in seeing you. However, in all honesty, when you indicated "sometimes safe" in you ad, meaning to me that you will bareback, it turned me off. I know you have to assume that all sexual partners may be HIV pos, but when an escort says he doesn't always take appropriate precautions, I usually pass them up. Just a thought......

 

Sorry you were confused about that. I've actually recently decided to leave that box un-checked, as I'm sure it's confusing...because 'always' safe has different meanings depending on whom you talk to. It wasn't meant to mean I engage in bareback. And it certainly shouldn't be taken to mean I'm positive and even if I was...if everyone is assumed to be positive anyway, it shouldn't matter.

 

I've met escorts and clients who feel safe sex means no kissing, covered oral for both giving and receiving. Absolutely no exchange of fluids. On the other hand, you have guys who are okay with oral un-covered, CIM (cum in mouth or vice versa) or simply kissing. According to the CDC, that wouldn't be safe sex. But to majority of people, that is considered fool-proof. It's not. Maybe rentboy should change the box as straight up bareback.

 

Joey,

but you might try having some private conversations with folks like Steve Draker and others who travel internationally and seem to fare very well. Depending on your interests, you might find much of what you want in London or Berlin. This time of year, Australia (Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide) are fantastic places to visit and I suspect have lots of opportunities for you and your work. Good luck with your decisions.

DD

 

If Steve wants to contact me about it, he knows where to find me. I won't hold my breath.

 

That said...yes a Black lady I know who lives in Europe is visiting Brisbane and has said it's been an awesome vacation for her. She did mention hotel rates though which are exorbitant for even a travelodge. There's a guy here from Australia who's been after me for some time, maybe if he breaks up with his boyfriend first BEFORE I end up moving next year, it'll make getting thru immigration a little bit easier. Although I will travel coast to coast on my own without hesistation, I'd like to have someone along or to meet. I've had an offer for the longest to go to Oslo with a guy I met in Ft Lauderdale, but I hadn't even left the state much less traveled the country.

[lieut_kije]

Fill a niche market - supply/demand. E.g. bodybuilders - low supply / high demand

[BgMstr4u]

I agree with Lieut-kije above: find a niche and fill it. I just looked at your reviews on this site. All three are quite positive, but the latest isn't very recent. One thing stood out to me -- you are 6'2" tall, but your picture seemed to me to make you look short. Just a first impression. Tall is one of the things you have to offer.

 

I can imagine at this point in your career you have a very good idea of what you are really good at and what works for your clients. Perhaps a review of assets, and then rewrite your media offerings to stress them. Make the client want you!

 

And then, as almost everyone has said: Location, location, location. Some places just have more clients. On the other hand, one very well known escort with the initials BN works from San Antonio. Not a big city, but he travels the world. I suspect he manages it because he specializes in offering an experience tailored to clients who like to travel, and he's very, very good at what he does. What can you offer that's tailored to the kind of clients you'd like to have?

[JoeyBryant]

I agree with Lieut-kije above: find a niche and fill it. I just looked at your reviews on this site. All three are quite positive, but the latest isn't very recent. One thing stood out to me -- you are 6'2" tall, but your picture seemed to me to make you look short. Just a first impression. Tall is one of the things you have to offer.

 

I can imagine at this point in your career you have a very good idea of what you are really good at and what works for your clients. Perhaps a review of assets, and then rewrite your media offerings to stress them. Make the client want you!

 

And then, as almost everyone has said: Location, location, location. Some places just have more clients. On the other hand, one very well known escort with the initials BN works from San Antonio. Not a big city, but he travels the world. I suspect he manages it because he specializes in offering an experience tailored to clients who like to travel, and he's very, very good at what he does. What can you offer that's tailored to the kind of clients you'd like to have?

 

Thanks for some input. I like the idea of a niche, however there can be some cons of offering such in addition to the fact that it tends to narrow you down to whom all you can market to. For example offering a BF experience or pushing overnights may capture the longer appointments...but what about the everyday quickie encounters from men who may just be experimenting or new to m4m activity and don't want anything too intimate, just want to get off and go? Sure it may be less money, but it tends to come in faster and keeps your schedule full during the week. But, I can continue to think of ways to offer tailored service regardless of who it's to. One of the things is to re-open my blog. As for reviews, I actually have 8 more thru men4rent's review site. For some reason they feel more comfortable going thru it.

 

However, and this isn't to poke holes in your input; but there's little point in making comparisons. Me and BN are 2 totally different people who's been in the game for completely different periods of time. In addition, have you ever noticed at most any gay dancer bar coast to coast in America, the most popular dancers are almost always White or Latino? That right there has and probably always will be a factor in the gay adult industry. Not to say others can't be just as busy, but it generally tends to not come at the same time, or at the same pace, for the same number of people. Black escorts have to work harder, prove themselves better and build up more reviews to really begin to get out there than probably the average blond haired twinky escort. In addition, I suspect (and have heard) cities like Chicago, Los Angeles and Miami tend to have a shady minority advertising pool...so some clients have already formed a preconceived notion before even making the first contact. Or, there's so many guys popping up on a weekly basis that you don't get noticed no matter how much you differentiate yourself.

 

That said, this month seems to have brung some clients out of the woodwork...but not necessarily new replies from men4rent though (I tend to base things off of that). I am highly convinced men4rent's not allowing us to post rates has drove off alot of would be clients. Even on my last visit up north I noticed a significant drop in replies from it.