I got burned

[Lookin]

is Lookin actually messin' with us on this one?...he has joked around before..........

 

Busted! I thought my rolling-eye smiley would give my little gag away, but apparently several of my fellow posters are quite willing to believe an escort would gladly abandon his car to avoid finishing up an appointment with me.

 

In truth, the most anyone's ever left behind was a hat and a pair of Madonna tickets. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/Lessaruatha/Smilies/rolleyes.gif

 

 

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[Steven_Draker]

Yeah, it's a shame when a thief is cute. I had a guy pull that on me a few years ago. I didn’t count on karma to catch up with him. I sent him on a 200 mile roundtrip nonexistent appointment ...

 

ML...I love it!! "pay back is a bitch" as they say. While I have never had the mind to do something like that, believe me I wanted to. I know other members here who have sent scamming escorts on a "wild goose chase"....we always have a good laugh over a nice bottle of wine.

 

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"Two wrongs don't make a right" – a wrongful action is not a morally appropriate way to correct or cancel a previous wrongful action.

[Steven_Draker]

I'm sorry to hear that the OP of this thread, the well respected gentleman Good Ol Boy, whom I had the pleasure of meeting, got scammed in such a disgraceful way. Taking into consideration that the Forum is only 10% of the total site's traffic (according to the Powers), we should strongly encourage Good Ol Boy to submit a factual review about this scammer through the review site to Daddy in order to touch a larger audience.

[MiamiLooker]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/12179260.jpg

 

"Two wrongs don't make a right" – a wrongful action is not a morally appropriate way to correct or cancel a previous wrongful action.

 

What a ridiculous post. Or are you suggesting that stealing is to be espected from an escort? I suppose I should have reported him to the Better Business Bureau.

[jjkrkwood]

What a ridiculous post. Or are you suggesting that stealing is to be espected from an escort? I suppose I should have reported him to the Better Business Bureau.

 

I think a more appropriate phrase might have been, "When you play, you might pay"... Its part of the downside of hiring. This hiring thing takes research and Luck.... and then you still NEVER know. Scammers lurk in every corner of Life !

[good ol boy]

Thanks Steven, and you are right,

I have posted the review, I wanted to get the word out as soon as possible.

[Bart]

I do hate when I hear these threads but I think this is one of the spots where the forum helps a great deal to get jerks like this out in the open quickly.

I have had a couple incidents in my time. One a general hook up 15 years ago where the guy I was with liked business suits and smell, he was actually feeling for my wallet which was in my bag. He suggested I freshen up and when I returned he was gone, so was my wallet only $20 in it. I asked where it was and he said he found it next to my car when I called him and that was that. I learned quick though and since then never take my wallet into an appt with an unknown.

 

I did have an escort situation once where the guy would not do anything without seeing the money. He took it went to the bathroom, next thing I know there is a knock on the door and a guy standing there looking for his friend and off they went. As to stripping, nice try this guy left without his shirt.

 

One last point, I never hire a guy off an escort site with tits hanging on the arm or background. Not that this indicates anything bad just a complete turn off to me, even if he says bi sexual, more likely gay-for-pay. I know that is me personally and others like that straight guy stuff, I just dont get having pictures with women being used on a gay escort website.

[MiamiLooker]

How did you find out he got a ticket? Were you still in contact with him, or was this from another email so he didn't know it was you? I'm curious about how you set this all up because it seems rather elaborate.

 

It wasn’t elaborate at all. He initiated contact to an AOL profile that I knew he’d find enticing.

[+ Unicorn]

 

"Two wrongs don't make a right" – a wrongful action is not a morally appropriate way to correct or cancel a previous wrongful action.[/color]

 

Well, I'm not sure I would characterize sending the scammer on a 200 mile wild good chase as a "wrongful action." If more people did that, scammers might get the message. While optimally, one would use the legal system to punish thieves, in this case it isn't possible due to the nature of the transaction. If the police catch someone who stole $200 from me, and the thief gets sent to jail, is that two wrongs not making it right? The purpose of punishing the thief is to discourage further thievery. I think that the wild goose chase could be viewed in a positive light--as a way of discouraging thieving behavior.

[bigvalboy]

What a ridiculous post. Or are you suggesting that stealing is to be espected from an escort? I suppose I should have reported him to the Better Business Bureau.

No worries ML...it still was funny as Hell, and I know clients that do that to scamming escorts all the time. I just never had the nerve, but you give the rest of us hope...LOL Happy Halloweenie

[Steven_Draker]

I have zero tolerance for escorts who steal or operate scams. They tarnish the image of this profession. From personal point of view, as an escort, I've been very lucky since I can count the bad experiences on the fingers of one hand. I've been scammed and stiffed by a few clients and I was paid once with a check that didn't clear up. I learned from these experiences and grow up a better escort. I never thought about creating some Machiavellian plan to get even with the scammer. But I'm not surprised to learn that some here do that. I wouldn't stoop down to their level hence "Two wrongs don't make a right". In my opinion it seems more appropriate to post a review on one of the escort review websites and warn other potential clients.

[MiamiLooker]

In my opinion it seems more appropriate to post a review on one of the escort review websites and warn other potential clients.

 

Among other reasons a review isn’t a good idea, there’s the possibility of escort retaliation. I would never suggest that a client write a negative review of an encounter at the client’s residence; especially, if there’s an allegation of the escort committing theft.

[Juan Vancouver]

Well, I'm not sure I would characterize sending the scammer on a 200 mile wild good chase as a "wrongful action." If more people did that, scammers might get the message. While optimally, one would use the legal system to punish thieves, in this case it isn't possible due to the nature of the transaction. If the police catch someone who stole $200 from me, and the thief gets sent to jail, is that two wrongs not making it right? The purpose of punishing the thief is to discourage further thievery. I think that the wild goose chase could be viewed in a positive light--as a way of discouraging thieving behavior.

 

I have an entirely different view on this subject. Since ethics are widely perceived as fluid in this modern time, I recognize that this is an entirely personal point of view, neither better nor worse than yours.

 

It is my personal belief that deceiving someone -anyone, with the purpose of inflicting damage, even if this damage has the intention of being "corrective" is not ethical nor rightful. I believe that doing this -instead of discouraging further misdoings will achieve nothing but create a sense of having being unfaired upon, which is the most common justification wrongdoers use for their actions: "Well, so and so/life/the powers that be have treated me wrongly, thus I am justified in stealing/lying/abusing/hurting". "It is just fair" they say to themselves to appease the clear message from the conscience that tells them what they are doing is not right.

 

It is very easy to imagine that escort's outrage and fury after having been sent on such an adventure and it is not far fetched to imagine him coming to the conclusion (Or confirming his previous belief) that people are assholes, that nobody cares about anyone else, that we are all for ourselves, that people have absolute disregard for other people's life, time, resources. In a word like that, it really does make sense to find a "clever" way to make money ripping off people. In a world that is populated by mean, horrible assholes, (as this thieve would possible come to believe) it's every man for himself, at whatever cost.

 

I believe that by taking in my hand the responsibility to "teach them a lesson" I would be doing nothing but making the problem bigger.

 

Law, justice, the cops, karma will always take care of them, and only they will be able to learn this lesson. Neither of those two things are my responsibility. My only duty is to remain trying to do my best, respecting people, having a good time and knowing (not even trusting) knowing that life, in the end, balances itself out.

 

It is my personal belief and experience that it does. Always.

 

I am sorry this guy burned you, and I commend you for writing a review. Hopefully no one else will fall for it, and I hope that from now on, you will encounter only fun, healthy, honest willing fuckers.

 

I know that many of us are trying to make the world a better place, and I know we will all inevitably end up coming together in a sweaty, steamy heap of well natured fun. =)

[Bosguy]

I have an entirely different view on this subject. Since ethics are widely perceived as fluid in this modern time, I recognize that this is an entirely personal point of view, neither better nor worse than yours.

 

It is my personal belief that deceiving someone -anyone, with the purpose of inflicting damage, even if this damage has the intention of being "corrective" is not ethical nor rightful. I believe that doing this -instead of discouraging further misdoings will achieve nothing but create a sense of having being unfaired upon, which is the most common justification wrongdoers use for their actions: "Well, so and so/life/the powers that be have treated me wrongly, thus I am justified in stealing/lying/abusing/hurting". "It is just fair" they say to themselves to appease the clear message from the conscience that tells them what they are doing is not right.

 

It is very easy to imagine that escort's outrage and fury after having been sent on such an adventure and it is not far fetched to imagine him coming to the conclusion (Or confirming his previous belief) that people are assholes, that nobody cares about anyone else, that we are all for ourselves, that people have absolute disregard for other people's life, time, resources. In a word like that, it really does make sense to find a "clever" way to make money ripping off people. In a world that is populated by mean, horrible assholes, (as this thieve would possible come to believe) it's every man for himself, at whatever cost.

 

I believe that by taking in my hand the responsibility to "teach them a lesson" I would be doing nothing but making the problem bigger.

 

Law, justice, the cops, karma will always take care of them, and only they will be able to learn this lesson. Neither of those two things are my responsibility. My only duty is to remain trying to do my best, respecting people, having a good time and knowing (not even trusting) knowing that life, in the end, balances itself out.

 

It is my personal belief and experience that it does. Always.

 

I am sorry this guy burned you, and I commend you for writing a review. Hopefully no one else will fall for it, and I hope that from now on, you will encounter only fun, healthy, honest willing fuckers.

 

I know that many of us are trying to make the world a better place, and I know we will all inevitably end up coming together in a sweaty, steamy heap of well natured fun. =)

 

Juan,

 

Thank you for logically reviewing this potentially volatile situation, evaluating it, and coming up with a respectful solution for all posters for future reference. We can't change what transpired, but we should all be able to keep Juan's words in mind if we should end up in a similar situation.

 

Boston Bill

[bigvalboy]

I have an entirely different view on this subject. Since ethics are widely perceived as fluid in this modern time, I recognize that this is an entirely personal point of view, neither better nor worse than yours.

 

It is my personal belief that deceiving someone -anyone, with the purpose of inflicting damage, even if this damage has the intention of being "corrective" is not ethical nor rightful. I believe that doing this -instead of discouraging further misdoings will achieve nothing but create a sense of having being unfaired upon, which is the most common justification wrongdoers use for their actions: "Well, so and so/life/the powers that be have treated me wrongly, thus I am justified in stealing/lying/abusing/hurting". "It is just fair" they say to themselves to appease the clear message from the conscience that tells them what they are doing is not right.

 

It is very easy to imagine that escort's outrage and fury after having been sent on such an adventure and it is not far fetched to imagine him coming to the conclusion (Or confirming his previous belief) that people are assholes, that nobody cares about anyone else, that we are all for ourselves, that people have absolute disregard for other people's life, time, resources. In a word like that, it really does make sense to find a "clever" way to make money ripping off people. In a world that is populated by mean, horrible assholes, (as this thieve would possible come to believe) it's every man for himself, at whatever cost.

 

I believe that by taking in my hand the responsibility to "teach them a lesson" I would be doing nothing but making the problem bigger.

 

Law, justice, the cops, karma will always take care of them, and only they will be able to learn this lesson. Neither of those two things are my responsibility. My only duty is to remain trying to do my best, respecting people, having a good time and knowing (not even trusting) knowing that life, in the end, balances itself out.

 

It is my personal belief and experience that it does. Always.

 

I am sorry this guy burned you, and I commend you for writing a review. Hopefully no one else will fall for it, and I hope that from now on, you will encounter only fun, healthy, honest willing fuckers.

 

I know that many of us are trying to make the world a better place, and I know we will all inevitably end up coming together in a sweaty, steamy heap of well natured fun. =)

 

 

Dear Juan,

 

You do make a powerful case for your position, and it is if nothing else, well presented and forthright. That being said I am a bit on the fence with this one. While part of me wants to embrace your philosophy on the proper way to deal with those among us that play by a different set of rules, there is another part that can not fully accept what you are saying. While you are close to convincing me, I still hold the position that I personally have a zero tolerance for those that purposefully cheat others out of their hard earned money. A misunderstanding, a confusion as to what should transpire, a miscommunication or an inability for both parties to make an emotional connection, all of that I can understand, but I have not the sympathy, patience, nor a desire to teach the thieves of this world the proper way that they should conduct themselves.

 

When we do nothing, and assume that action alone is sufficient to right some wrong, then it is the thieves that benefit from our humanity. You are Juan, a good and decent man. I can tell from the many many times you have come to the forum with well thought out advice and council. It is no different this time. You make a good case, and I am hard pressed to present my position. I however worked hard for my money, and I am unable to stand aside and allow a scamming escort to take advantage of me. The lies, fake pictures, misrepresentations, the blatant and willful stealing of peoples money, the promises that they never intended to keep, is unconscionable and is more than anyone should have to endure. I say "An Eye for An Eye" That's it in a nut shell.

 

I will be the first to admit that you are probably without a doubt a better man than myself. Our positions are different to be sure, but yours has a tone of civility and reasoning that I can not match. My parents would have been proud of you. Call it a flaw or whatever you will, but I see no wrong in what ML did. That's just me. Strictly my opinion.

 

Best to you Juan. I always love what you post, and for the record I did read your post several times. You did brilliantly and eloquently present one helluva case.

 

Regards,

 

BVB

[MiamiLooker]

I have an entirely different view on this subject. Since ethics are widely perceived as fluid in this modern time, I recognize that this is an entirely personal point of view, neither better nor worse than yours.

 

It is my personal belief that deceiving someone -anyone, with the purpose of inflicting damage, even if this damage has the intention of being "corrective" is not ethical nor rightful. I believe that doing this -instead of discouraging further misdoings will achieve nothing but create a sense of having being unfaired upon, which is the most common justification wrongdoers use for their actions: "Well, so and so/life/the powers that be have treated me wrongly, thus I am justified in stealing/lying/abusing/hurting". "It is just fair" they say to themselves to appease the clear message from the conscience that tells them what they are doing is not right.

 

It is very easy to imagine that escort's outrage and fury after having been sent on such an adventure and it is not far fetched to imagine him coming to the conclusion (Or confirming his previous belief) that people are assholes, that nobody cares about anyone else, that we are all for ourselves, that people have absolute disregard for other people's life, time, resources. In a word like that, it really does make sense to find a "clever" way to make money ripping off people. In a world that is populated by mean, horrible assholes, (as this thieve would possible come to believe) it's every man for himself, at whatever cost.

 

I believe that by taking in my hand the responsibility to "teach them a lesson" I would be doing nothing but making the problem bigger.

 

Law, justice, the cops, karma will always take care of them, and only they will be able to learn this lesson. Neither of those two things are my responsibility. My only duty is to remain trying to do my best, respecting people, having a good time and knowing (not even trusting) knowing that life, in the end, balances itself out.

 

It is my personal belief and experience that it does. Always.

 

I am sorry this guy burned you, and I commend you for writing a review. Hopefully no one else will fall for it, and I hope that from now on, you will encounter only fun, healthy, honest willing fuckers.

 

I know that many of us are trying to make the world a better place, and I know we will all inevitably end up coming together in a sweaty, steamy heap of well natured fun. =)

 

Based on your response, I believe you’ve gotten some posts mixed up. You responded to Unicorn’s post, but he wasn’t the one who posted of getting burned, nor did he write the review.

It is very easy to imagine that escort's outrage and fury after having been sent on such an adventure and it is not far fetched to imagine him coming to the conclusion (Or confirming his previous belief) that people are assholes, that nobody cares about anyone else, that we are all for ourselves, that people have absolute disregard for other people's life, time, resources.

 

If you’re referring to the guy that I sent on a wild goose chase, he had no idea that he had been scammed. He simply thought he’d gone to the wrong address.

 

You state “Law, justice, the cops, karma will always take care of them...” Is that the Pollyanna Principle? I’m a bit too pragmatic to subscribe to that. How do you suggest a client that gets scammed by an “escort” involve law enforcement? I’d like to know. I’ll bet those that were scammed of thousands of dollars by the guy formerly known as Noah Driver would like to know. Those that have been scammed by “Scott Sloan” for the last twenty or so years would like to know. There’re probably a lot of readers that would like to know.

 

You probably wouldn’t appreciate my plans for the guy that planted a handgun and drugs in a friend of mine’s car.

 

My only duty is to remain trying to do my best, respecting people, having a good time and knowing (not even trusting) knowing that life, in the end, balances itself out.

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein