When is it okay not to pay an escort?

[operalover21]

Discuss. From both perspectives (client and professional). If you'd like.

[robberbaron4u]

Fraud, misrepresentation and deceit = $0.00 and good-bye.

[bigvalboy]

Fraud, misrepresentation and deceit = $0.00 and good-bye.

 

Agreed...as usual robber has summed this up nicely. Simple but to the point. I can't think of any scenario where an escort does not deserve payment that doesn't fall into one of these categories.

[operalover21]

Agreed...as usual robber has summed this up nicely. Simple but to the point. I can't think of any scenario where an escort does not deserve payment that doesn't fall into one of these categories.

 

How about "doesn't deliver anything that was promised?"

[+ azdr0710]

How about "doesn't deliver anything that was promised?"

 

"doesn't deliver anything that was promised?" = fraud, misrepresentation and deceit

[bigvalboy]

"doesn't deliver anything that was promised?" = fraud, misrepresentation and deceit

 

I think that you are absolutely right azdr......

[Browser]

In the past, I have sent three escorts packing W/O payment. Although I'm vers, I had appointments with two tops - not at the same time - that just couldn't get it up. After 15 minutes I said this is just not working and ended the session. On one other occasion the guy showed up slightly stoned, and I sent him on his way also. Other than that, I have never had an occasion to not pay an escort. Of course, over the years, there have been great performers, good performers and some OK performers. But, even the OK guys did their best to accommodate my fairly vanilla taste. Maybe they didn't get as big a tip, but at least I honored my part of the bargain and paid them. Robberbaron is right on - fraud, misrepresentation and/or deceit = no pay.

[unsub2O17]

In the past, I have sent three escorts packing W/O payment. Although I'm vers, I had appointments with two tops - not at the same time - that just couldn't get it up. After 15 minutes I said this is just not working and ended the session. On one other occasion the guy showed up slightly stoned, and I sent him on his way also. Other than that, I have never had an occasion to not pay an escort. Of course, over the years, there have been great performers, good performers and some OK performers. But, even the OK guys did their best to accommodate my fairly vanilla taste. Maybe they didn't get as big a tip, but at least I honored my part of the bargain and paid them. Robberbaron is right on - fraud, misrepresentation and/or deceit = no pay.

 

Not being able to get a working erection is not "fraud, misrepresentation, or deceit". So, I would still pay. And, since I'm the "unattractive" one is this arrangement, I would assume that the "erectile dysfunction" was my fault--not the escort's.

[operalover21]

Not being able to get a working erection is not "fraud, misrepresentation, or deceit". So, I would still pay. And, since I'm the "unattractive" one is this arrangement, I would assume that the "erectile dysfunction" was my fault--not the escort's.

 

Except you're the one paying, not being paid. It's HIS responsibility to get himself up, not yours. If he can't, why is that YOUR fault? You're not on a date. It's a function you're paying him to perform. If he can't, he shouldn't be paid. You're not paying him "just for his time" despite what all the ads say.

 

In my case, which I might detail if the mood strikes me, I don't really think it falls under the classic definition of "fraud, misrepresentation, or deceit." It was a multiple day trip in which the escort touched me for all of 5 minutes. I'm not the agressive type -- which I detailed to him before we met -- and told him he needed to take the lead. He didn't. And he argued with me incessantly and turned every conversation into a diatribe about politics. It was a complete turn-off which may have been why I didn't push the matter because he became more and more unattrative as the trip wore on. I felt like he was getting a free vacation -- paid for by me --and didn't have to do a thing to earn it. It's not what I signed up for ... and he knew it. At the end of the 3 days, I didn't pay. Worst. Experience. Ever.

[Frequentflier]

Except you're the one paying, not being paid. It's HIS responsibility to get himself up, not yours. If he can't, why is that YOUR fault? You're not on a date. It's a function you're paying him to perform. If he can't, he shouldn't be paid. You're not paying him "just for his time" despite what all the ads say.

 

In my case, which I might detail if the mood strikes me, I don't really think it falls under the classic definition of "fraud, misrepresentation, or deceit." It was a multiple day trip in which the escort touched me for all of 5 minutes. I'm not the agressive type -- which I detailed to him before we met -- and told him he needed to take the lead. He didn't. And he argued with me incessantly and turned every conversation into a diatribe about politics. It was a complete turn-off which may have been why I didn't push the matter because he became more and more unattrative as the trip wore on. I felt like he was getting a free vacation -- paid for by me --and didn't have to do a thing to earn it. It's not what I signed up for ... and he knew it. At the end of the 3 days, I didn't pay. Worst. Experience. Ever.

 

Wow, that was very brave of you. Would be very interesting to hear how the conversation went at the trips end when you explained to the companion your disappointment and that no compensation would be paid. Seems you communicated your expectations up front, the companion didn't deliver and he was antagonistic so no payment is warranted. I hope I never have this experience but if I do (I have been disappointed but not to the extent you were) I hope I have the fortitude to not pay. You don't have any concerns with the companion knowing your real identity, maybe where you live, type of car you drive, etc?

[wnybear]

I had 2 occasions where the escort had issues getting erect. In both cases I had expressed a desire to bottom, which I usually don't do as I prefer giving and receiving oral. In one case he said outright when he got there, he didn't think he'd be able to get hard to perform as a top. This was in pre-Viagara days. At that point neither of us had removed any clothing, no touching of any type had occurred, so I told him that I thought he should leave then. He left with no complaint and I was actually kind of glad it went down that way. Even if he had been able to perform I had the feeling it would not have been a good session.

 

In the other case, he gave it an honest effort to get hard and was very apologetic when he was unable to. In this case there was a sincere effort on his part to perform. There was also mutual oral, kissing, and stroking. He also made sure I was satisfied, despite his not being able to top me, and he brought me to completion. So while it wasn't exactly what I had wanted, it was an enjoyable session and I paid him what had been agreed upon.

[JT Brooklyn]

Not being able to get a working erection is not "fraud, misrepresentation, or deceit". So, I would still pay. And, since I'm the "unattractive" one is this arrangement, I would assume that the "erectile dysfunction" was my fault--not the escort's.

 

Alot of "Working Guys" carry the little Blue Pill for the Clients that don't "inspire them" during the Session. Can't get it up..NO EXCUSE!

[+ Italiano]

Recently in Miami I saw a guy. His ad shows a man in his late 40s/early 50s very muscular and in superb shape. He states that he is 40, which is definitely quite ridiculous. No problem for me as long as he looked like his pics. When he showed up he confirmed my feeling about his age (actually I thought he definitely was in his early/middle 50s) and he wasn't as buffed as his pics, even if still in quite good shape.

He was supposed to top me, but apart from oral and making out, he wasn't at all able to perform. After 15/20 minutes I gave up, I told him to stop and offered to pay his car gas, but he wouldn't leave if I would not give me half fee, for the performed oral....

I did and send him away.

Thoughts?

[operalover21]

Wow, that was very brave of you. Would be very interesting to hear how the conversation went at the trips end when you explained to the companion your disappointment and that no compensation would be paid. Seems you communicated your expectations up front, the companion didn't deliver and he was antagonistic so no payment is warranted. I hope I never have this experience but if I do (I have been disappointed but not to the extent you were) I hope I have the fortitude to not pay. You don't have any concerns with the companion knowing your real identity, maybe where you live, type of car you drive, etc?

 

Interesting response. Almost sounds like it's coming from the guy I hired. LOL. Especially the last sentence. It goes both ways. Since no money changed hands, nothing illegal occurred. If he attempted anything, I'd have him arrested. How's that sound?

[sisyphus]

Is this why some rentboys ask for money up-front?

[unsub2O17]

Is this why some rentboys ask for money up-front?

 

I'm obviously much more docile than operalover, but even I would refuse to pay money up front. I've never been asked, and I can't imagine a scenario where it would be justified.

[tom1980]

Several weeks ago, I scheduled with a guy and agreed to meet him at his apartment. He wasn't there when I arrived; so I waited outside for him. He came strolling up five minutes later smoking a cigarette. I immediately told him it wasn't going to work out because I couldn't tolerate the smoke in his hair, on his clothes, in his apartment, etc. I started to walk away, and he said, "You should at least pay me a cancellation fee." I told him that I owed him nothing since he lied about being a nonsmoker in his ad. He said that everyone puts that and that if it was important I should have asked. I told him the obligation was on him to tell the truth in his ad, not on me to ask if he was lying. I refused to pay him anything and left. He seemed so shocked that I'm certain it was the first time a client refused to pay him.

 

I wish more clients would refuse to pay when fraud, misreprentation, and/or deceit occurs. On other occasions, I've been too nice (e.g., when a guy has pics that are 5on years out of date). But as I've hired more, I've become more willing to demand honesty and the service I want before I pay.

[+ deej]

Is this why some rentboys ask for money up-front?

 

There are two reasons for this. The first (and most obvious, depending on who you ask) is the escort scam. But there's also a client scam, and every escort has been through it. They go through with a good faith appointment and then the client asks the escort to come along to the ATM where -- SURPRISE! -- there's a problem getting cash.

 

I was with a well regarded escort once who did not ask to be paid up front, but he did ask to at least see the money up front because he'd been burned this way. I plopped the cash on the coffee table and we had a great time. I hired him a half-dozen other times and neither of us mentioned money ever again.

 

This coin has a bunch of different sides in all shades of gray.

[bigvalboy]

But there's also a client scam, and every escort has been through it.

 

 

Excellent observation, and a problem that is rarely discussed. I think that unfortunately, those clients that engage in this kind of behavior would never admit that they are in fact in the wrong.

[+ deej]

Excellent observation, and a problem that is rarely discussed. I think that unfortunately, those clients that engage in this kind of behavior would never admit that they are in fact in the wrong.

 

Indeed. In fact I think the scam is actually how they get their jollies.

[Xander]

A client once tried to pull the "The atm machine was broken I just found out" card at the end of our session.

 

"That's alright, I brought my mobile credit card processor!"

 

Gotta love being prepared..

 

But on that note, I also had a client who was almost in tears because the credit card machine really WAS broken so we walked across the city to find a working one. He made it worth my while which was very generous of him

[operalover21]

Indeed. In fact I think the scam is actually how they get their jollies.

 

Well, I had the entire cash for the trip with me the entire time in an envelope in my suitcase. I had every intention of paying and then it just kept getting worse. When I confronted the escort about his arguing (in my face, I might add) with me so violently he said "point well taken, however, don't say anything to provoke me" which I basically meant I wasn't allowed to bring up any subject on which he had a strong opinion. It was at this point that I was considering paying half. That's where I was until the final night when the guy went off to sleep in one of the guest rooms because he said he had "insomnia." That did it for me.

 

I'm sure he thought -- and some there will as well -- that he was owed the amount because of the "time he spent with me" but I don't think so. You have to draw a line somewhere. I've hired dozens of guys over the years and this was the worst experience ever. The good thing is that I took the money and applied to this new guy Paramour in Chicago (whom I've discussed elsewhere) and he turned out to be a homerun and we've already made a second appt. I probably wouldn't have done so if this one hadn't been such a disaster.

[Xander]

That's where I was until the final night when the guy went off to sleep in one of the guest rooms because he said he had "insomnia." That did it for me.

 

"Insomnia" (in my experience) means tweeker in escort-lingo.

[MiamiLooker]

Well, I had the entire cash for the trip with me the entire time in an envelope in my suitcase. I had every intention of paying and then it just kept getting worse. When I confronted the escort about his arguing (in my face, I might add) with me so violently he said "point well taken, however, don't say anything to provoke me" which I basically meant I wasn't allowed to bring up any subject on which he had a strong opinion. It was at this point that I was considering paying half. That's where I was until the final night when the guy went off to sleep in one of the guest rooms because he said he had "insomnia." That did it for me.

 

I'm sure he thought -- and some there will as well -- that he was owed the amount because of the "time he spent with me" but I don't think so. You have to draw a line somewhere. I've hired dozens of guys over the years and this was the worst experience ever. The good thing is that I took the money and applied to this new guy Paramour in Chicago (whom I've discussed elsewhere) and he turned out to be a homerun and we've already made a second appt. I probably wouldn't have done so if this one hadn't been such a disaster.

 

Just curious, how much time had you spent with the escort before the trip? What was his reaction when he realized you weren’t going to pay his fee?

[operalover21]

"Insomnia" (in my experience) means tweeker in escort-lingo.

 

What is "tweeker?" A term I'm unfamiliar with and I'm probably going to regret asking.