Any guys no longer escort at home? I've come to the realization, it's not worth it...

[maxwellissmart]

Really? Really?

 

Maybe. Perhaps.

[citylaw1]

Now this reply is extremely productive citylaw. Thank you for contributing. FYI city, YES I dont give a fuck what YOU think about me, and I say that with the utmost respect !

 

You were saying that "cool people can take criticism and shrug it off." Do you think that you are cool?

[jjkrkwood]

You were saying that "cool people can take criticism and shrug it off." Do you think that you are cool?

 

EXTREMELY, and all the other voices in my head confirm it !

[JoeyBryant]

The thing is this—I'm not insinuating that Joey is treating his clients poorly (this is a possibility, not a fact), but I am insinuating that Joey should reexamine his business practices. I don't buy that a metro area as big as Denver (or the city proper if you want to play semantics or what have you) is a losing proposition for an escort. I've escorted in a number of cities large and small. In some cases I've abandoned an existing and successful persona and started from scratch—and been even more successful. I could go to Denver and be successful—

 

Dude, you are so thick. I don't know if what I'm saying is getting thru to you.

 

Again, you've never been here AND even if you do come here and be successful...there's a difference between coming for a few days on tour and actually living in a place. I've gone to towns where no escorts have gone before and came back well-off. Does that mean I would move there and expect steady business for an extended period of time? NO! Do you not understand what I'm saying? It's not about just 'going' someplace and being successful. I'm talking about the long-haul here.

 

Yes, you are being a dick because you're making arrogant assumptions when you haven't a clue about the area. Earlier this year, I was seeing this cute White guy who told me he was quote, "desperate for business" here in Denver and was asking me to send him clients. You'd think that he'd have no trouble getting them. Unfortunately, I told him I don't even 'send' clients to me. They have to make the decision.

 

How can you even make an assumption about a place you've never lived at, much less been to before? I do agree that abandoning a persona and then starting from scratch is a good way to revive things and I've done that twice...and will do it again, but it will come after a break from the industry and focusing on other things. Right now I'm trying to start a relationship, something I've put on hold for years because it's not generally accepted when you're getting to know someone, and at this time...escorting need to yield for someone who means so much more to me than fast money. I've been in this game since 2008. That's over 4 years. Do you realize what the statistics are?

 

If twenty-two percent of new businesses do not make it past the three-year mark, then that means seventy-eight percent do make it. Was it smooth sailing for all of those? Of course not! Even the largest of companies face some of the same problems the small entrepreneur has staring him or her in the face—money crunches, economic downturns, poor management, rising costs, and the like. You no doubt understood there were risks when you first went into business. - http://www.businessknowhow.com

 

I can't be too bad that I've made it along this far, right?

[JoeyBryant]

Joey,

 

I am unsure what you think I was being pretentious about. If you mean my thoughts about A4A and backpage then you are correct, I am. It isn’t something I’m proud of but it is reality as I see it. I don’t want to talk down about the boys advertising there but I am sure clients will tell you it is a big gamble when hiring. And when you start advertising with them, you get lumped into that group. I am certain there are some great guys, I just don’t want to risk being lumped in with the bad. I already get enough of that advertising with RB and M4RN.

 

1st off, I wasn't referring to your comment about backpage or adam (presuming). You seem to be all about the 3 pre's. Pretentious, presuming and prejudice. But since you mentioned it, I'm going to regulate on that statement this instance:

 

Okay, I'm not crazy about either one either. But guess what? I know clients who use both. I once met a client from adam who came to town and hired me for an overnight our 1st visit...and then we drove around town with the top down, went to dinner, the bars...and had a pretty good time. You don't get lumped into any category (prejudice) just by advertising on a site. It's how you advertise.

 

Another time, a regular client of mine seen my ad on backpage and called the number I use on there. Not sure if he noticed it was me or not, but I'm sure he did. This is after I told him I was unavailable to meet AGAIN the next evening (at the time, was my date night). Every time I see the man, he's at a 5 star hotel. He wasn't looking for garbage that night, he was seeking out other options...just like most clients as they check all the sites anyway.

 

 

Your (pre)tentiousness came from saying, "You never hear me coming here complaining about business". Well...we are in completely different markets. You took my question as a complaint. You took my assessments of a particular local market as complaining. Then you made yourself look better by saying you don't do something, that I was never doing in the first place!

 

I know you and Maxwell are trying to give advice. But like a roofied drink, it's not coming in a way I can digest so unfortunately I have to regurgitate it as it's spiked with unwarranted criticism. But thanks anyway.

[jjkrkwood]

Wow, THIS thread is really getting into some serious "weave-pulling"....... Girls, girls, you are ALL pretty and desirable.... LOVE each other... Theres enuf clients for ALL of you...

 

And Joey, if you cant make it THERE, come to NYC and throw your beret in the air.... Mary Richards will embrace you !

[wayout]

Wow, THIS thread is really getting into some serious "weave-pulling"....... Girls, girls, you are ALL pretty and desirable.... LOVE each other... Theres enuf clients for ALL of you...

 

And Joey, if you cant make it THERE, come to NYC and throw your beret in the air.... Mary Richards will embrace you !

 

I think you mean Minneapolis because that is where Mary Richards is/was and threw her beret in the air. Get your facts right next time

 

Other than that, I have nothing to say about this thread.

[jjkrkwood]

I think you mean Minneapolis because that is where Mary Richards is/was and threw her beret in the air. Get your facts right next time

 

Other than that, I have nothing to say about this thread.

 

Geez, you Literalists !

 

Well BOTH MTM and ME are in NYC now, and we are dying to meet JB..... (not Justin Bieber) .... So I knew when whence I spoke....:o

[maxwellissmart]

...I can't be too bad that I've made it along this far, right?

 

Right, because Business Know-How (seriously, if this is your "go-to" website to get business facts—it's no wonder you're failing) was absolutely sure to include escorts and sex-industry worker statistics when crunching its numbers.

 

Joey, the hardest lesson to learn in life is that when something goes wrong—you probably had a hand in it. If you want to post a confusing thread bitching about your business, your privacy and the direction your life is going in, fine. And if you want to reject any criticisms and suggestions from people who do what you do and possibly do it even better than you do it yourself—well, that's up to you.

 

I hope you won't stop posting about your escorting experiences—these stories make for great cautionary tales of how not to conduct business, what attitude not to have, and how not to get along with other people who showed a least a modicum of interest in your story (apparently more so than anybody in Denver, anyway). Of course, I'm only speaking for myself, since I am under the assumption that the rest of the board couldn't give a fuck—just like they didn't give a fuck when you "left forever" and they didn't give a fuck when you started posting again shortly after forever expired.

 

If you decide to stay in the biz (or on the board) I hope you will consider adopting a new persona. Make him nice and fun this time—since "Joey Bryant" has pretty much run the race, came in 237th and needs to go rest for a long while.

 

Remember—nice and fun, nice and fun.

[maxwellissmart]

I think you mean Minneapolis because that is where Mary Richards is/was and threw her beret in the air. Get your facts right next time

 

Other than that, I have nothing to say about this thread.

 

I know, right? Dumb broad.

[jjkrkwood]

I know, right? Dumb broad.

 

Who you callin a dumb broad, YOU DICK ?????

[maxwellissmart]

Who you callin a dumb broad, YOU DICK ?????

 

Busted! But I still haven't used my 1-time-only excuse of "someone logged into my account and typed this" yet.

[JoeyBryant]

Right, because Business Know-How (seriously, if this is your "go-to" website to get business facts—it's no wonder you're failing) was absolutely sure to include escorts and sex-industry worker statistics when crunching its numbers.

 

Joey, the hardest lesson to learn in life is that when something goes wrong—you probably had a hand in it. If you want to post a confusing thread bitching about your business, your privacy and the direction your life is going in, fine. And if you want to reject any criticisms and suggestions from people who do what you do and possibly do it even better than you do it yourself—well, that's up to you.

 

I hope you won't stop posting about your escorting experiences—these stories make for great cautionary tales of how not to conduct business, what attitude not to have, and how not to get along with other people who showed a least a modicum of interest in your story (apparently more so than anybody in Denver, anyway). Of course, I'm only speaking for myself, since I am under the assumption that the rest of the board couldn't give a fuck—just like they didn't give a fuck when you "left forever" and they didn't give a fuck when you started posting again shortly after forever expired.

 

If you decide to stay in the biz (or on the board) I hope you will consider adopting a new persona. Make him nice and fun this time—since "Joey Bryant" has pretty much run the race, came in 237th and needs to go rest for a long while.

 

Remember—nice and fun, nice and fun.

 

 

Part of your issue is you are assuming that it's something I'm doing wrong rather than knowing the facts for themselves. Unless you can actually prove if and where I've gone wrong...you can't make the assumption that anything is. Okay, I'm doing something wrong you think? PROVE IT. Point it out exactly. You can't because there isn't. But you can't accept the fact that you've never been to Denver...so what's unknown to you, you think you have the answer because it doesn't fit into what you THINK is the answer. You don't believe that after awhile, business in certain markets drop and clients move on, or you don't realize the spending tendencies of a certain city either. The very fact that you used population statistics in a way to say, "you don't BELIEVE one could not be doing well in a city with (a completely exorbitant population number for a metro)" just proves to me even more that you are naive about the variables that make one successful outside of just how big a city is.

 

Point in case: I've did better in a city with 180,000 people, more than I did in one with 1,327,407 population. Why? Because the market with 180,000 had more disposable income than the city with 1 million people did. In addition, few escorts ever traveled to the area as well. My first week there was better than I did even in Denver with 600,000 people.

 

I've been the same self throughout the year. It's only been just recently (namely June) that I've picked up the fact that the pace of business is not what I'm content with, so I chose to accept a new line of work...and to only escort when I'm traveling. Thus, keep my privacy more secure in my hometown (which was never an issue to begin with, but it's something I am now wanting to do, at my own discretion and it's my choice if I choose to, not your to dictate).

 

You're trying to be 'smart', but I have to to say you're not. You're making generic, baseless claims. "Must be something you're doing wrong". Okay...Have you looked at my previous success in the area over all the times I been here? have you actually contacted all the escorts in Denver to see how they are doing? Have you met with them in person and spoke to them about it? Because I have met 3 already, in person. Just because I'm voicing it publicly, you feel like it gives you the right to harp on someone and make it out as if I'm the problem.

 

You should probably just stop talking. Everytime you come at me, I'm just going to keep regulating on it. But you know what, I'm not in the mind frame to do so. You're not giving advice or helping like you think you are. You're being an arrogant competitor trying to put down another competitor (when we're actually not EVEN in competition). How the hell can you say you'll come to Denver and make money? What kind of shitty advice is that? This is my town and you're trying to come here and tell me you'll do better? Come out here and I'll castrate you (figuratively) And I should expect that, I don't even know you so how could you really have my best interest in heart? You don't, so stop talking. Take your 'advice' and shove it up your ass.

[orbital sander]

Wow, THIS thread is really getting into some serious "weave-pulling"....... Girls, girls, you are ALL pretty and desirable.... LOVE each other... Theres enuf clients for ALL of you...

 

And Joey, if you cant make it THERE, come to NYC and throw your beret in the air.... Mary Richards will embrace you !

 

Wasn't that Marlo Thomas?

[bigvalboy]

Busted! But I still haven't used my 1-time-only excuse of "someone logged into my account and typed this" yet.

 

oooops..you are so busted Kyle!!!

[maxwellissmart]

Part of your issue is you are assuming that it's something I'm doing wrong rather than knowing the facts for themselves. Unless you can actually prove if and where I've gone wrong...you can't make the assumption that anything is. Okay, I'm doing something wrong you think? PROVE IT. Point it out exactly. You can't because there isn't. But you can't accept the fact that you've never been to Denver...so what's unknown to you, you think you have the answer because it doesn't fit into what you THINK is the answer. You don't believe that after awhile, business in certain markets drop and clients move on, or you don't realize the spending tendencies of a certain city either. The very fact that you used population statistics in a way to say, "you don't BELIEVE one could not be doing well in a city with (a completely exorbitant population number for a metro)" just proves to me even more that you are naive about the variables that make one successful outside of just how big a city is.

 

Point in case: I've did better in a city with 180,000 people, more than I did in one with 1,327,407 population. Why? Because the market with 180,000 had more disposable income than the city with 1 million people did. In addition, few escorts ever traveled to the area as well. My first week there was better than I did even in Denver with 600,000 people.

 

I've been the same self throughout the year. It's only been just recently (namely June) that I've picked up the fact that the pace of business is not what I'm content with, so I chose to accept a new line of work...and to only escort when I'm traveling. Thus, keep my privacy more secure in my hometown (which was never an issue to begin with, but it's something I am now wanting to do, at my own discretion and it's my choice if I choose to, not your to dictate).

 

You're trying to be 'smart', but I have to to say you're not. You're making generic, baseless claims. "Must be something you're doing wrong". Okay...Have you looked at my previous success in the area over all the times I been here? have you actually contacted all the escorts in Denver to see how they are doing? Have you met with them in person and spoke to them about it? Because I have met 3 already, in person. Just because I'm voicing it publicly, you feel like it gives you the right to harp on someone and make it out as if I'm the problem.

 

You should probably just stop talking. Everytime you come at me, I'm just going to keep regulating on it. But you know what, I'm not in the mind frame to do so. You're not giving advice or helping like you think you are. You're being an arrogant competitor trying to put down another competitor (when we're actually not EVEN in competition). How the hell can you say you'll come to Denver and make money? What kind of shitty advice is that? This is my town and you're trying to come here and tell me you'll do better? Come out here and I'll castrate you (figuratively) And I should expect that, I don't even know you so how could you really have my best interest in heart? You don't, so stop talking. Take your 'advice' and shove it up your ass.

 

Now, this is an example of neither nice nor fun. See, you were supposed to do the opposite.

[jjkrkwood]

Now, this is an example of neither nice nor fun. See, you were supposed to do the opposite.

 

 

 

Max, I think the term "arrogant competitor" kinda suits you ?

[jjkrkwood]

Joey, everytime someone says something you dont like or agree with , you tell them to stop talking, shut up, get lost etc. What the fuck is your problem, dude ????

If you want to participate on a public board, you really need to chill. You can rebuttal all you want, but everyone has a right to speak.... You often make some good points, but the hostile, ranting tone of your posts makes ME dismiss anything valuable you may have to say, and i often say "who the fuck cares" ??? But you continue burden us with alot of your shit, so the least you can do is be gracious enuf to listen to replies with a little bit of CLASS. As for Max being an arrogant competitior, thats so off base..... He OUT RANKS you in every which way, shape and form, its NO CONTEST, and I doubt he would ever engage the clients that "purchase" YOU.....

[maxwellissmart]

Joey, everytime someone says something you dont like or agree with , you tell them to stop talking, shut up, get lost etc. What the fuck is your problem, dude ????

If you want to participate on a public board, you really need to chill. You can rebuttal all you want, but everyone has a right to speak.... You often make some good points, but the hostile, ranting tone of your posts makes ME dismiss anything valuable you may have to say, and i often say "who the fuck cares" ??? But you continue burden us with alot of your shit, so the least you can do is be gracious enuf to listen to replies with a little bit of CLASS. As for Max being an arrogant competitior, thats so off base..... He OUT RANKS you in every which way, shape and form, its NO CONTEST, and I doubt he would ever engage the clients that "purchase" YOU.....

 

Joey's responses are indicative of a theme in America: let's look for someone else to blame. I find it strange that Joey takes the time to write about his problems in great detail, but won't give 2 seconds towards anyone offering advice, even if it's common fucking sense like "market yourself better" or "be nicer." If you want to take the statement "maybe you're doing something wrong" and run with it as some sort of great insult to your personal character instead of stepping back and thinking: "hmm, maybe I am doing something wrong," then pretty much all you're doing is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and showing to the world how thin your skin is. My comments about moving to Denver and making a success out of it are meant to bring home the point that if you can't succeed in one of the largest cities in the US—then you probably shouldn't be escorting at all. I have the distinct feeling that today's Denver is tomorrow's Phoenix, and three month's from now our Joey will be complaining from Scottsdale that his bar tabs are outstripping his income, plus a whole new round of excuses.

 

Joey's posts are useful in the context of holding them up, examining them and deciding: I don't want to be like that. I've gone through periods where I did not enjoy escorting (and ironically had a PM exchange with Joey about that very topic). I've had an incredibly frustrating time with freaks, cancelations, no-shows and the like. My solution was to step back, reduce my client load and take a number of days off in a row and say "sorry, how about next week?" And fortunately, having a couple of really cool clients right in a row helped my attitude tremendously. My personal life has been in a constant state of upheaval since moving (which I'm not entirely sure is going to stick), and while I make my fair share of bitchy posts—I also look at the board and escorting in general as a solution rather than a problem. At least I do every time I go to make a deposit. I am trying to stop telling people what they need to do, because only they can answer that for themselves. What I think Joey should do is ditch this whole persona, explore the new relationship, and practice listening to what someone else has to say for a while.

[jgoo]

Joey's responses are indicative of a theme in America: let's look for someone else to blame. I find it strange that Joey takes the time to write about his problems in great detail, but won't give 2 seconds towards anyone offering advice, even if it's common fucking sense like "market yourself better" or "be nicer." If you want to take the statement "maybe you're doing something wrong" and run with it as some sort of great insult to your personal character instead of stepping back and thinking: "hmm, maybe I am doing something wrong," then pretty much all you're doing is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and showing to the world how thin your skin is. My comments about moving to Denver and making a success out of it are meant to bring home the point that if you can't succeed in one of the largest cities in the US—then you probably shouldn't be escorting at all. I have the distinct feeling that today's Denver is tomorrow's Phoenix, and three month's from now our Joey will be complaining from Scottsdale that his bar tabs are outstripping his income, plus a whole new round of excuses.

 

Joey's posts are useful in the context of holding them up, examining them and deciding: I don't want to be like that. I've gone through periods where I did not enjoy escorting (and ironically had a PM exchange with Joey about that very topic). I've had an incredibly frustrating time with freaks, cancelations, no-shows and the like. My solution was to step back, reduce my client load and take a number of days off in a row and say "sorry, how about next week?" And fortunately, having a couple of really cool clients right in a row helped my attitude tremendously. My personal life has been in a constant state of upheaval since moving (which I'm not entirely sure is going to stick), and while I make my fair share of bitchy posts—I also look at the board and escorting in general as a solution rather than a problem. At least I do every time I go to make a deposit. I am trying to stop telling people what they need to do, because only they can answer that for themselves. What I think Joey should do is ditch this whole persona, explore the new relationship, and practice listening to what someone else has to say for a while.

 

I think Max gives some very good insight and advice. Part of the issue I see, from the cheap seats, is that it is often difficult to fully understand what Joey is getting at when he starts a thread or responds (other than many times attacking, insulting, dismissing, etc. someone giving advice). You really have to work at reading everything and somehow filtering out the useful information and determining the critical details in his comments, questions or vents/rants. It is easy to get sidetracked in responding if we don't "interpret" things as he intended and that is when things start to go downhill.

 

I am reluctant to participate in his threads and give any opinions as I don't see him giving serious consideration to or really appreciating them, even if he totally disagrees. However, I will suggest that as a minimum he work on how he constructs his posts so that they are more concise and clear, and not get sucked into a war of words that really makes him look silly. Other than that, following Max's suggestions above would be worthwhile for Joey to follow (or at least seriously consider).

[jjkrkwood]

Max, while it is Noble that you kinda want to take Joey under your wing after all the recent shit he has been spewing to you, I am sure you realize that there are just some people you CANNOT reason with and get thru too. They always know better, take great satisfaction in "complaining", and do nothing to fix their circumstances.... While Joey has been very vocal about not liking alot of his clients, he proceeds to try and convince us that he LOVES his work. A bit of a contradiciton there.... and unless he is Meryl Fucking Streep, he wont be able to mask his dislike for his customers, which might be the reason they dont repeat the "Joey" experience. Who knows ? Although we are a small handful of guys here only, many of US have said that based solely on Joeys "board" persona, we would not consider hiring him. Perhaps people in his town feel the same way after corresponding with, and being with him ?

Bottom line, he has a problem which he claims no resposibility for.. Thats the problem itself in a nutshell.

[maxwellissmart]

Max, while it is Noble that you kinda want to take Joey under your wing after all the recent shit he has been spewing to you...

 

My wings aren't nearly large enough to cover Joey's ego.

[jjkrkwood]

My wings aren't nearly large enough to cover Joey's ego.

 

I am sure that after a few more months of "limited" business, THAT will change too !

[rvwnsd]

I am sure that after a few more months of "limited" business, THAT will change too !

 

Probably not. It is all everyone else's fault, after all.

[jjkrkwood]

Probably not. It is all everyone else's fault, after all.

 

you are probably both right. The guys are "cheap asses" or "flakes".....and the economy really sucks...!