Any guys no longer escort at home? I've come to the realization, it's not worth it...

[JoeyBryant]

The time is near for me to step back and take a much needed rest from the world of escorting. Although majority of it has to do with me wanting to move on to something else professionally and after all these years finally having someone significant come into the picture, a good portion of it has to do with the increased lack of privacy in the past months and the fact that business has stagnated so much at home, it's like why even compromise my privacy? My ads are up every hour of every day, but I'm sure not seeing clients everyday.

 

Now, I'm not upset or surprised. I've ran into a couple escorts on the scene that I've seen in ads. It's not that I'm just dumbfounded that people would ever even know. My ads are up locally after-all. But more-so than that, just the local business after a few months at home city just begins to stagnate to the point where the amount of money coming in really doesn't give enough merit to giving up your privacy. Why would I want to throw away my privacy at home by having a bunch of ads up when so much time goes by without a client? Or I do get clients, but it's generally from classified ads and they only want to pay for half-hours and rather monopolize my schedule by booking 2 or 3 of those in a given week rather than just drop the same amount for a longer booking? And as much as I despise the classifieds and my presences on there...putting an ad up every couple months or so certainly helps to get out the doldrums for a change and fill up my schedule for a bit. I mean, there's only so many guys that can afford $200-250 in any given area to begin with.

 

It actually hasn't been a bad year thus far. Appointments have been longer, cancellations have gone down...but lately the trend is either very long appointments, or very short ones. It seems easier to get 1 overnight out of town for a grand than it is to get 3 appointments for $200 at home. And of course, $100 never goes out of style. But hell, that barely even pays a bill. That's a bar tab. Can't live off that. And even if 3 of those come in a week, that's a measly $300.

 

And then you have the out of town clients who come to visit. Which is great, but seems as though it's generally the same ones who come and visit and it's almost no different than what eventually happens with the local clientele. I know because at the present, even those calls have disappeared. I go downtown maybe once a month or longer. This time last year, I racked up more parking tickets than I can recall because I was ALWAYS being called downtown and hated it LOL. Being that I enjoy the travel associated with the business, I'm choosing to only do it away from home, where business is almost always great depending on where I go. The looks from neighbors, the gossiping in the bars, the waiting around for appointments all the time...it's not even worth doing it from home any longer. Yeah if it was more steady, I wouldn't be concerned what anyone thinks. But it's been inconsistent. Has anyone else resorted to this way of working? What are the benefits and drawbacks?

[+ not2rowdy]

Work vs Privacy

 

Joey - No, I'm not an escort. But I'm just a little confused regarding your post. Your first paragraph tells me that you are planning to take a break from escorting.

 

>>The time is near for me to step back and take a much needed rest from the world of escorting.<<

 

I would be a bit sad because I have kept you on my "interested" list if our paths should cross. But if you choose to take a break that's OK. It's your life.

 

But then the rest of your post, and your post title, tells me that maybe you are not so much seeking a break from escorting - but rather wrestling with the issue of privacy vs continuing to work and advertise in your Denver home market - which appears to be stagnating for you.

 

You comment about "looks from neighbors, gossiping in bars,…" as a privacy issue. I don't think that will go away. But maybe it's more of a mind issue rather than a true concern. Yeah, maybe the neighbors know you are an escort and they are being unduly judgmental. But maybe they are also just jealous. Sure, you could move - maybe Denver is "played out" and should be on a travel itinerary instead of a home base. Maybe it is just too conservative and you should be in one of the larger city markets - think 10 largest US cities.

 

If you decide to reduce, or eliminate, your home location from advertising that may work for you. But then you should consider widening your travel plans advertising. Your RB ad states you are soon planning a visit to Phoenix. OK - but you should also have that posted here on Daddy's in Escort Travels.

 

Another idea might be to look at a travel schedule that closely follows one of the traveling national entertainment circuits (like NASCAR, BMX bikes, Harley-Davidson gatherings, NRA shows, car shows, rodeo, etc).

 

I wish you the best.

[JoeyBryant]

Hi there, thanks for the response.

 

By not working from my home base area it'd be taking time off and essentially only doing travel arrangements once or twice a month as I've been doing. I guess you can say the rest part would be in between the time I travel...and not seeing anyone except certain regulars in between that time.

 

I haven't posted the travel arrangement here and generally don't as my dates tend to vary slightly and like to be able to control it from my ad rather than the forum. Good idea about the traveling around events in the area. But I know even those can be hit or miss unless it's gay oriented or a client has booked specifically for that.

 

For example, my 2nd trip near the great lakes last year...best one to date....but all local clients, despite the fact there was 3 conventions in town at the same time (unbeknownst to me) and the hotels were up for the first 3 days.

[maxwellissmart]

...the local business after a few months at home city just begins to stagnate to the point...

 

Denver metro has 2.5 million people, and your business is stagnating after a few months?

[jjkrkwood]

Denver metro has 2.5 million people, and your business is stagnating after a few months?

 

Maybe Joey needs to advertise Snacks and party favors ?

[maxwellissmart]

Maybe Joey needs to advertise Snacks and party favors ?

 

Well either Joey is catering to a very niche market, he's overcharging, or he's getting lost in the shuffle somehow.

[BostonPhil]

First, build your brand. We are all selling ourselves, or physical look and our personalities, your brand is Joey Bryant. You can be an escort advertising on the major sites or you can can advertise on backpage and A4A. After your last post about business and A4A I took out an ad there, after a month I was more worried about the damage being done to my business. I have a blog post all written about it but have yet to post it. Perhaps I will.

 

 

Don’t be over eager to take on a client when you’re on the phone. “I can be there in ten minutes.” sounds desperate for the work, if I were a client that would tell me some thing was up since you’re not in demand.

 

 

You won’t come here and find me complaining about work. This goes back to the brand, clients don’t want to hire some one who is not happy with what they are doing. Just says to them that you are not going to be into the session. It is all about the image you project.

 

 

Before saying you don’t get clients from here, DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE DADDY’S! You may be contacted by members here through your ads on M4RN and RB and never know they came from here. Coming here and showing your personality and engaging the clients who post here can do a lot for your business. If you don’t believe me, I saw three forum members this week.

 

 

You know what? I find that the clients who have found me through the forum to be some of the best. They have all been very nice and well prepared for a session with an escort. I would expect nothing less, they’re amazing.

 

 

I am sure they’re reading so: Thanks guys for being the bright spots in my week!

 

 

So, limit your advertising. Come here and chat more. Keep it positive. And put links to your ads in your damned signature.

 

 

Also, not wanting to post your travel info in the forum is just silly. SILLY! It is just another ad, so do it.

[josephga]

I saw 2 people from here last week both were very nice. I tend for ad tracking purposes to ask where did you see me listed they said through this forum. not sure of their handles i never asked. they could be members or just lurking.

[Guest Merlin155]

What is it that makes forum members better clients?

[unsub2O17]

What is it that makes forum members better clients?

 

In my case, I'd say knowledge, preparation and even more familiarity with the escort.

[jjkrkwood]

What is it that makes forum members better clients?

 

MONEY !

[+ not2rowdy]

MONEY !

 

That MAY true. But, not knowing the demographics that make up this forum, I can only speak for myself.

 

Although not destitute - I am not wealthy. Money is certainly an issue in my day to day decisions. I must closely budget for an escort (or massage) experience. Consequently, they do not happen very often. And when they do - I seek more than a quick, SELF-gratifying, one hour experience.

 

I agree with the comments of BostonPhil and Josephga about not underestimating the impact Daddy's might have on an escorts marketing.

 

Responding more directly to Merlin155's question. I suspect those who frequent Daddy's make good clients because of better knowledge of the overall escort system. In my case I KNOW I have developed much better respect and knowledge for the issues and concerns that face both escorts and clients.

 

I am basically a "lurker". But, on occasion, I come out of my cave to express my thoughts. Sorry if I've rambled along too much.

[BostonPhil]

It isn't the money, you're absolutely correct about the knowledge that both client and escort gain from the forum. The first thing I know about some one who wants to hire me from the forum is that they are serious, I am pretty much assured that I will not have to pull a Sean Caden on any one from here.

 

I think it helps that clients can get to know me a little by reading what I post here. You get to know my personality and you also know I am not going to just stand you up. This makes you more relaxed and in turn, I'm more relaxed.

[tyro]

Although the reviews can be very helpful in finding a masseur or escort, the forum is AT LEAST as valuable. I got to "know" my gentlemen before I met them in person by reading their posts.

Phil, I'm glad you're getting so much business from this site.

Tyro

[jawjateck]

I am pretty much assured that I will not have to pull a Sean Caden on any one from here.

 

Hmmmmm....I can think of one or two perhaps.

[jawjateck]

Although the reviews can be very helpful in finding a masseur or escort, the forum is AT LEAST as valuable. I got to "know" my gentlemen before I met them in person by reading their posts.

Phil, I'm glad you're getting so much business from this site.

Tyro

 

Good for you too, Tyro! There are many mutual benefits in this forum. I was helped greatly when I started lurking in Spring 2000; learned the ropes of being a good client and made numerous hiring (and some non-hire) decisions based on escort and client comments here. Even though I began submitting reviews almost immediately after discovering the Hooboy site, I joined the message forum a few years later because I felt that I had a responsibility to contribute back to it since I had gained so much from it.

[jjkrkwood]

It isn't the money, you're absolutely correct about the knowledge that both client and escort gain from the forum. The first thing I know about some one who wants to hire me from the forum is that they are serious, I am pretty much assured that I will not have to pull a Sean Caden on any one from here.

I think it helps that clients can get to know me a little by reading what I post here. You get to know my personality and you also know I am not going to just stand you up. This makes you more relaxed and in turn, I'm more relaxed.

 

You told ME you would have to think about it, and would get back to ME, and I'm still waiting......:D Was it the part where I told you I wanted you to roll around in Skittles on my bed that was covered in my used Depends that turned you off ?

[BostonPhil]

 

You told ME you would have to think about it, and would get back to ME, and I'm still waiting......:D Was it the part where I told you I wanted you to roll around in Skittles on my bed that was covered in my used Depends that turned you off ?

 

 

It was where you wanted to eat the skittles out of...

[robberbaron4u]

Time has come for you to live your life in the light of day, and, I have no doubt that you can do it. . .

[gallahadesquire]

Time has come for you to live your life in the light of day, and, I have no doubt that you can do it. . .

 

Well spoken, Lord Robber!

[JoeyBryant]

Denver metro has 2.5 million people, and your business is stagnating after a few months?

 

Population statistics mean very little in the scheme of things. There's all kinds of variables involved and to just use the population of an entire metropolitan area and it's suburbs in a way to sound condescending is nothing short of being ignorant. The population of a city never indicates that there is that amount of gay men willing to spend $200 an hour for a good time, especially with the plethora of gay fuck sites dedicated to us as it is...not to mention the bar scene where buying a few drinks is enough to get someone in bed. Most gay men will get away with the cheapest fuck they can find...especially if it's free. Start talking money, they go to st-st-st-stuttering. I know it because I'm a bar fly. I get hit on all the time when I go to bars. They are happy to buy me a drink, but expect me to go home with them because of it. Then I tell em. Then they aren't interested. I'm not trying to work the bar though...that's what paid advertisements are for.

 

If you look at the true stats, Denver is actually more like 600,000...most of the gay population within the gayborhoods. Hardly even 1/32nd's of 600,000. And a few months? No. My first visit to Denver was back in 2010...in which I had enough going on to make it well worth the visit. So get your shit straight before you go talking shit.

[JoeyBryant]

First, build your brand. We are all selling ourselves, or physical look and our personalities, your brand is Joey Bryant. You can be an escort advertising on the major sites or you can can advertise on backpage and A4A. After your last post about business and A4A I took out an ad there, after a month I was more worried about the damage being done to my business. I have a blog post all written about it but have yet to post it. Perhaps I will.

 

 

Don’t be over eager to take on a client when you’re on the phone. “I can be there in ten minutes.” sounds desperate for the work, if I were a client that would tell me some thing was up since you’re not in demand.

 

 

You won’t come here and find me complaining about work. This goes back to the brand, clients don’t want to hire some one who is not happy with what they are doing. Just says to them that you are not going to be into the session. It is all about the image you project.

 

 

Before saying you don’t get clients from here, DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE DADDY’S! You may be contacted by members here through your ads on M4RN and RB and never know they came from here. Coming here and showing your personality and engaging the clients who post here can do a lot for your business. If you don’t believe me, I saw three forum members this week.

 

 

You know what? I find that the clients who have found me through the forum to be some of the best. They have all been very nice and well prepared for a session with an escort. I would expect nothing less, they’re amazing.

 

 

I am sure they’re reading so: Thanks guys for being the bright spots in my week!

 

 

So, limit your advertising. Come here and chat more. Keep it positive. And put links to your ads in your damned signature.

 

 

Also, not wanting to post your travel info in the forum is just silly. SILLY! It is just another ad, so do it.

 

Okay, you're being pretentious...

 

I hear what you saying, but what you're telling me isn't really anything new. Where do you get that I'm saying clients I can be there in 10 minutes? Really? I always tell everyone atleast 1 hour. That's if I have nothing else going on.

 

I don't believe in posting my travel announcements on the forums. I know that sounds strange, but I'm just not comfortable doing so. Why? Well...I tried it once and it didn't work. Okay once...big deal. But guess what, I have traveled some dozen states in the past couple of years from coast to coast and used only my ads.

 

Once, it took me all but 45 minutes of my travel city ad being posted on a VERY last minute visit for a client to call me and BOOM...an appointment was made that evening. Couple hours later I was booked again for the next day and then the next day after that I was booked again. And it wasn't from posting travel arrangements on the forum. This is from an ad that was up for less than 24 hours.

[Guest Connoisseur]

Have been to Denver many times. There is a real deficit of companions in the 18 - 25 range that are clean cut, handsome/hot/even cute. I think if guys like that were available they would be VERY popular. Imagine too a real cowboy 18 - 25.

[maxwellissmart]

Okay, you're being pretentious...

 

I know, right? Pretentious little prat and his guaranteed business-building techniques.

[citylaw1]

I saw 2 people from here last week both were very nice. I tend for ad tracking purposes to ask where did you see me listed they said through this forum. not sure of their handles i never asked. they could be members or just lurking.

 

It seems as though the often presented theory ... discussions in this forum rarely correlate (positively or negatively) to escort business trends ... is taking a hit by more than one escort here. Joey, should you choose to accept some feedback here, your business (if you wish to continue) might take a more positive turn financially. Having lived in the Denver area for 2 years, I can tell you, without question, that there is a real need for 21-25 year old escorts.