Truth in advertising

[Juan Vancouver]

I beg your pardon, where have I ever claimed to have a price list for sexual acts ?

 

I have never charged for sexual acts. I charge for time. I don't say well its $120 for an hour but if you want to fuck me its an extra fourty.

 

I think you have that all wrong.

 

I charge for my time and companionship and anything else that occurs is co-incidental and is at the discretion of two consenting adults.

 

Hey Steve,

 

I am sorry if I was not totally clear in my post. No, I am not suggesting that you have a menu with different rates for different sexual activities. I was left with the impression that in a few other threads you have said that your work is having sex with clients, and also that you will gladly add non sexual time for a different non sexual rate. I am not sure which are the threads in which I thought you said this, I even remember that we both -very civilly agreed that we looked at our professions slightly in a different way, neither being better than the other. Please forgive me if I was unclear with my phrasing, if I misunderstood you or if (even worse) I am mixing you up with another escort.

 

While there may be a some colleagues of us who come here with the intention of bashing other escorts to announce categorically which are the only ways to be a rightful escort and which practices are abhorrent, I have to reiterate that I passionately believe that it is precisely the diversity amongst us what makes us unique, exciting and special. I am grateful that you conducting your business they way you do; some things we like to do in similar ways, on some other areas we would not be able to do what the other does. That is why there is a huge market and demand for each one of us.

 

I am more than open and curious to keep refining my understanding of how you look at your work, and I apologize in advance if I misunderstand you or take your words out of context. I hope that you understand that there is no malice on my part.

 

Lastly, I hope that you are able to see the suggestion that I may be wanting to "tear you down" for what it is: a desperate attempt to stir shit from someone who may enjoy conflict too much. I respect you as a human being, as an escort, and even if we may (or may not) do some things differently, I will loudly defend your right to do as you please and be respected in the process.

[maxwellissmart]

I nearly died laughing from eating this while eating a Sour Cream and Onion Pringle. It is so true.

 

Do you guys know how many sexual fantasies we hear? Let alone do you know how many "Mike's" and "John's" and "Joe's" and "Matt's" I meet or that contact me? Try keeping track of "I only like getting head when I lay on my side." or "You can't use your hand on me at all." or "I want you to bury your face in my daughter's dirty panties."

 

My point is we're not always being ditsy, we get a lot of information from clients and it can be difficult some times to sort through. I have a note pad where I just jot down date/time and what ever they might be looking for. If they have communicated with me primarily through email, I get up the morning of the appointment, check out Daddy's then I read every email they have sent me.

 

Not everyone is going to take it that seriously, if you're not getting what you want speak up. It is your dime after all. I had a client contact me after an appointment to ask if I didn't like giving head.... Of course I do. I explained that I read his body language wrong and thought he didn't want that. Had he said something or nudged me a little, I would have been more than happy to open my mouth wide.....

 

Matt? Dirty panties? (!!!!!!!)

 

I'll agree on Mike, Jim and John, and sometimes Paul and Richard. And Tim—I get Tim a lot. Anything deviating from this pool is generally a real name.

[BostonPhil]

Matt? Dirty panties? (!!!!!!!)

 

I'll agree on Mike, Jim and John, and sometimes Paul and Richard. And Tim—I get Tim a lot. Anything deviating from this pool is generally a real name.

 

I get a lot of Matt, come to think of it a lot of Tim too. And I know you read Steve's story about the dirty panties. I know the look on my face was priceless the first time I heard the request for no hand at all. Utterly perplexed.

[SteveEscort]

Hey Steve,

 

I am sorry if I was not totally clear in my post.

 

That's ok, when I read it, I thought, welll where did he get that from. My job is to to have sex with clients, that's true but whether my job is just to have sex with clients or whether its to have dinner, chitty chats and sex with clients it's all just the same. The clients primarily come to us for a sexual service, whether you dress it up as dinner or whether it's a sleazy sordid session.

 

I like having full on sex with guys and I am good at it. I get the same guys coming back time and time again. I don't like boring run of the mill sex with false grunts, I like to be full on, filthy. Sometimes I like the chase of it all with the dinner date first and this that and the other but at the end of the day, the client is paying and he wants de-spunked at some point.

[Juan Vancouver]

My job is to to have sex with clients, that's true but whether my job is just to have sex with clients or whether its to have dinner, chitty chats and sex with clients it's all just the same. The clients primarily come to us for a sexual service, whether you dress it up as dinner or whether it's a sleazy sordid session.

 

Again, here's where I have to stress that we have slightly different experiences. While I have sex with many of my clients, sex is not the primary reason most of them come to me. Perhaps we have a different market, perhaps we have different marketing strategies, perhaps we have different proclivities; in my case, a few clients come to me for sex, but most come to me for companionship, for sharing experiences, for traveling together, for an opportunity to practice healthy interactions, for learning about their bodies and learning about mine.

 

Having sex with my clients is not my job.

 

Some people hire me mainly for dinner, or travelling. This is not sex dressed up as dinner, it's dinner. Just dinner. When I have sex with my clients I love it, because it is just another way in which my client and I can interact. My rates are not "for the act" and a little extra for before and after. My rates are for spending time with them.

 

Some clients have expressed their distaste at overnight sessions: "Why should I pay the equivalent of five hours if we are only going to have sex for two?". They go on and say how paying someone to sleep or dine is ludicrous and how they would never do it. Power to them! I think they should never do it. There are many, many other men for whom sex is just a small part of the session. There are many men who are incredibly shy, or are just now trying to interact with other men, men who have never had the chance to spend time with someone they are attracted to. What they really look forward to and cherish is the walk towards the restaurant together, getting to know each other, cuddling, waking up in the middle of the night and hearing a guy sleeping by them, the experience of closeness, of company, of sharing your time with someone you like. For these people, not having to pay 12 hourly rates, but only the equivalent of 4 or 5 for an overnight is a huge bargain, and I believe these people get a lot out of it. Some very loud clients here think hiring for this reason is pathetic, I believe it is a basic human need that has to be fulfilled.

 

There are two types of clients: the clients who want sex, and the clients who want companionship. In my experience the majority of the clients who actively participate in this forum tend to focus on the sexual prowess of the escorts they meet while the clients who hire for companionship, for longer travels, come here and read all threads but almost never participate. Reading this forum it would appear that it is the consensus that the work of an escort is to have sex, (Which I personally love; what's not to love about it!) but there is another side, a broader side to it, and it is incredibly fulfilling too.

 

I hope this brings more clarity to what I mean.

[unsub2O17]

Again, here's where I have to stress that we have slightly different experiences. While I have sex with many of my clients, sex is not the primary reason most of them come to me. Perhaps we have a different market, perhaps we have different marketing strategies, perhaps we have different proclivities; in my case, a few clients come to me for sex, but most come to me for companionship, for sharing experiences, for traveling together, for an opportunity to practice healthy interactions, for learning about their bodies and learning about mine.

 

Having sex with my clients is not my job.

 

Some people hire me mainly for dinner, or travelling. This is not sex dressed up as dinner, it's dinner. Just dinner. When I have sex with my clients I love it, because it is just another way in which my client and I can interact. My rates are not "for the act" and a little extra for before and after. My rates are for spending time with them.

 

Some clients have expressed their distaste at overnight sessions: "Why should I pay the equivalent of five hours if we are only going to have sex for two?". They go on and say how paying someone to sleep or dine is ludicrous and how they would never do it. Power to them! I think they should never do it. There are many, many other men for whom sex is just a small part of the session. There are many men who are incredibly shy, or are just now trying to interact with other men, men who have never had the chance to spend time with someone they are attracted to. What they really look forward to and cherish is the walk towards the restaurant together, getting to know each other, cuddling, waking up in the middle of the night and hearing a guy sleeping by them, the experience of closeness, of company, of sharing your time with someone you like. For these people, not having to pay 12 hourly rates, but only the equivalent of 4 or 5 for an overnight is a huge bargain, and I believe these people get a lot out of it. Some very loud clients here think hiring for this reason is pathetic, I believe it is a basic human need that has to be fulfilled.

 

There are two types of clients: the clients who want sex, and the clients who want companionship. In my experience the majority of the clients who actively participate in this forum tend to focus on the sexual prowess of the escorts they meet while the clients who hire for companionship, for longer travels, come here and read all threads but almost never participate. Reading this forum it would appear that it is the consensus that the work of an escort is to have sex, (Which I personally love; what's not to love about it!) but there is another side, a broader side to it, and it is incredibly fulfilling too.

 

I hope this brings more clarity to what I mean.

 

I certainly like both, and I fit Juan's profile in that I've already stated that I like the idea of overnights for the reasons he's stated. But, at the same time, I do participate in these forums which would put me in the other camp (by his description).

[desertguy1954]

I like what Juan said. I enjoy the companionship and the sex. Espically with a very good escort. There is something about having someone in the bed with you late at nigh that loves to cuddle. I miss that, it was after my partner died that I started enjoying the company of a good escort. After a nice hot sexual time, next best is a shower together and then some cuddling time. There are not that many of you out there that enjoy that at least that is what I have found. The ones of you that do, are fantastic. Juan you sound like you would be very good at both

[tom1980]

This is not to say that I don't understand how you arrived at the logic that essentially you are being "strong-armed" out of your money. You're a client, you're nervous already, you're scared this is going to turn into a big, ugly scene and you just want it to stop and go away. That's fine—and in some cases could be the smartest and safest thing to do.

 

I don't normally cross topics from different threads, but this ties together so well with my comment on the other thread about how escorts and clients face many of the same risks and that most clients on this board really can empathize with the plight of escorts that I had to point it out.

 

As for the topic at hand, clients, especially new ones, are very nervous and don't want to cause a scene or otherwise risk that the escort can harm them (and I don't just mean physically, but also financially, socially, emotionally, etc.). The more hiring experience a client has, the more likely he is to (a) not put himself in a situation where he meets an escort who might harm him (because he limits his hiring to well-reviewed guys) and (b) be willing to risk annoying an escort by walking away from an appointment for at least two reasons: first, because he has a more realistic perception of the risks he is facing (which are usually pretty small), and second, because he realizes there are plenty of other escorts out there so that he doesn't have to try to force this experience to be the perfect experience when the escort falsely represented himself in his ads. Of course, some clients are so adverse to confrontation that they will always go along with the appointment and refuse to even post a negative review. But for many of us, experience is empowering and makes us willing to have a confrontation when the escort lied to us to get us to his doorstep. (Note: This doesn't apply if you believe you are in real danger. If you think the guy is going to physically assault you or if he threatens to do so when you call him on his false advertising, then pay whatever you must and get the hell out ASAP.)