Rigid Pricing

[SteveEscort]

I was chatting to my friend I visit 3-4 times a year in Turkey and we were talking about pricing when I visited her last month and she asked me if I was flexible with prices.

 

I said that I never used to be and that I had a prissy atttude when I was in my 20's that "I am worth £XXX and if I don't get it then he loses out". Nowadays I am not as rigid as I used to be. My close friend also used to be an escort (she's the one who got me into it all) and she told me that she was the same, but when she got older, if a guy had money burning a hole in his pocket and it wasn't the advertised rate she'd still take the appointment.

 

I wonder how many guys out there turn down appointments because they're not getting the advertised rate. I have a guy booked in for lunch time today who just wants hand relief and he has a certain amount of money. Enough money to pay the food bill for my dog and 4 cats for the week, so I think it's prudent to accept appointments like this because every penny counts in an economy that's properly fucked up.

 

My friend also told me about her cousin who lives here in England, he runs a large construction type company and employs 20 guys. He accepts some jobs at a loss to keep his employees in work. He could lose £3000 on a job but it keeps his workers busy for a couple of weeks yet he may make £16,000 on the next job. It wasn't all about making a profit everytime it was about keeping the work rolling in.

 

Anyone else have an opinion on this

[SteveEscort]

The other thing I meant to add was this, a few years back I was living in Brighton, on the south coast for 2 months, helping nurse a very dear friend who was dying of a brain tumour at 47. We'd been close friends since I was 18. He was on his own and only had a few close friends that could give him the dignity of dying at home. Long story. Anyway.... I still needed to work, I had relatives looking after my house and pets and the bills still need paying, so 2 days a week I worked from a seedy gay brothel in Brighton that advertised in a low life newspaper over here. These were the 2 days a week I had off from being at the house all day helping.

 

The appointments were almost always £40 (about $65) and were mainly married suited blokes wanting a blow job in your room or via a glory hole, I know..... seedy but this what the place was all about LOL. I did advertise myself on websites that I was available in Brighton for outcalls but they were so difficult to do, I couldn't leave my friend if I was the only one at the house that night, although other friends would come over and cover if I gave them a days notice.

 

You could easily do 10-15 guys in a day. It was constant.... guys came to a terraced house in the town, dropped their pants and got on with their day. At first I was shocked and thought OMG I just can't do that, not after entertaining men in hotels for lots of cash, but when you're 350 miles from home and need the cash and there wasn't much of an outlet apart from the odd seedy hole like this what did you do. The management were lovely and very nice to the guys who did the shifts there. The establishment took £5 off us each for each guy we seen for a BJ and £10 if it was more. They took a £10 door fee so they made money on the patronage. I could easily do two days and come away with £800. That's not something to be sniffed at and yes some of these guys could be hard work but most were there for 5 mins. If they wanted to fuck you etc, then they could be there half an hour but it was never more than that.

 

I did this for about 6 weeks, then after my friend died, I returned home and got on with my normal life. I never regretted doing this. It served a purpose at a time when I was needing money quick but helping someone else out and I still laugh to myself about some of the strange people I met in this place hahahaha

[citylaw1]

I always book (2-3 times per year) the Four Seasons Maui on Expedia. They ask me why I don't book directly with the hotel to allow myself a greater chance of free upgrades. Why would I book directly for $200-300 more per night for the same room?

 

The Four Seasons Maui is my favorite resort in the world. I actually believe that they are worth the full price, and, by their reaction, so do they. So why do they discount on Expedia? They discount to fill everyday with a mix of full and discounted customers. This is the way the world works now.

 

P.S. I also love to book on Expedia because the whole thing is pre paid. Therefore I don't have the hassle of a bill upon checkout, other than incidentals. It's nice to have a week's vacation to look forward to that you've already paid for.

[maxwellissmart]

The other thing I meant to add was this, a few years back I was living in Brighton, on the south coast for 2 months, helping nurse a very dear friend who was dying of a brain tumour at 47. We'd been close friends since I was 18. He was on his own and only had a few close friends that could give him the dignity of dying at home. Long story. Anyway.... I still needed to work, I had relatives looking after my house and pets and the bills still need paying, so 2 days a week I worked from a seedy gay brothel in Brighton that advertised in a low life newspaper over here. These were the 2 days a week I had off from being at the house all day helping.

 

The appointments were almost always £40 (about $65) and were mainly married suited blokes wanting a blow job in your room or via a glory hole, I know..... seedy but this what the place was all about LOL. I did advertise myself on websites that I was available in Brighton for outcalls but they were so difficult to do, I couldn't leave my friend if I was the only one at the house that night, although other friends would come over and cover if I gave them a days notice.

 

You could easily do 10-15 guys in a day. It was constant.... guys came to a terraced house in the town, dropped their pants and got on with their day. At first I was shocked and thought OMG I just can't do that, not after entertaining men in hotels for lots of cash, but when you're 350 miles from home and need the cash and there wasn't much of an outlet apart from the odd seedy hole like this what did you do. The management were lovely and very nice to the guys who did the shifts there. The establishment took £5 off us each for each guy we seen for a BJ and £10 if it was more. They took a £10 door fee so they made money on the patronage. I could easily do two days and come away with £800. That's not something to be sniffed at and yes some of these guys could be hard work but most were there for 5 mins. If they wanted to fuck you etc, then they could be there half an hour but it was never more than that.

 

I did this for about 6 weeks, then after my friend died, I returned home and got on with my normal life. I never regretted doing this. It served a purpose at a time when I was needing money quick but helping someone else out and I still laugh to myself about some of the strange people I met in this place hahahaha

 

Alas—like I said before, you always get the best appointments between truckers, the woods and glory holes. Regarding your post about flexibility, only an idiot would take their advertised rate and nothing lower. I've turned lower-rate clients into lower-rate repeat clients who 1) take less time, 2) don't make me come, so I can see another client after them, 3) give me gifts, 4) are appreciative and nice, 5) are dependable and consistent. Granted, I've also had lower-rate clients who tried to take advantage of the situation and poor-mouth me to get even lower rates (or sometimes meet for free). That's a risk you take with adjustable rates, and I nip that kind of behavior in the bud. But by and large, I have no problem with lowering rates to see clients if they sound nice and fun.

[Juan Vancouver]

...only an idiot would take their advertised rate and nothing lower.

 

Idiot here. =)

 

I decided in my early escorting days that I would only accept engagements on my advertised rates. I know it may be arbitrary but I decided then that I would only meet people who I perceived to be respectful of me, my conditions and my body, and people who I thought understood escorting as the loving, caring profession that I think it to be. For this reason, if anyone contacts me and I can read a clear lack of respect in the way he communicates with me, I politely decline to meet him. I know there may be men who can't genuinely pay my rates, and I have to live with the prospect of never having the chance to meet them, but most of the people who ask for a discount will end up paying in full. (And it is those, the negotiators, the ones who will deliberately try to extend the session beyond its limits to try to get more out of you, it's them who will ask you to make them cum one hour after their hour session is over, the ones who will be rude, and disrespectful and crass.) I know two escorts who do accept discounted rates and they are often kvetching about the cheap clients they took, I am more than happy to miss all that.

 

I am sure I have missed out on some wonderful men and possibly I missed the chance to go to the beach "for free" in a couple of occasions, but when I go to an appointment, I am intensely focused, every single time, because I am satisfied with the conditions that we have set and respected.

 

(And I am not the Four Seasons; when I have empty rooms, it is actually very healthy for me to sit with that emptiness and enjoy it, recharging my energy for whenever I have full house again. -No pun intended.)

[josephga]

I wouldn't take less either. I tried it a few times years ago. I found those massage clients to be more aggressive, more demanding not just happy with a discount but wanting more as well. I've had guys say they suffer chronic pain haven't worked in months can only afford 45.00. you feel for their circumstances agree then they start this shit about you being nude, is their a release ? can i touch you? I'm like okay back the fuck up do you think I just fell off the turnip truck? forget the whole thing call someone else

[maxwellissmart]

Idiot here. =)

 

I decided in my early escorting days that I would only accept engagements on my advertised rates. I know it may be arbitrary but I decided then that I would only meet people who I perceived to be respectful of me, my conditions and my body, and people who I thought understood escorting as the loving, caring profession that I think it to be. For this reason, if anyone contacts me and I can read a clear lack of respect in the way he communicates with me, I politely decline to meet him. I know there may be men who can't genuinely pay my rates, and I have to live with the prospect of never having the chance to meet them, but most of the people who ask for a discount will end up paying in full. (And it is those, the negotiators, the ones who will deliberately try to extend the session beyond its limits to try to get more out of you, it's them who will ask you to make them cum one hour after their hour session is over, the ones who will be rude, and disrespectful and crass.) I know two escorts who do accept discounted rates and they are often kvetching about the cheap clients they took, I am more than happy to miss all that.

 

I am sure I have missed out on some wonderful men and possibly I missed the chance to go to the beach "for free" in a couple of occasions, but when I go to an appointment, I am intensely focused, every single time, because I am satisfied with the conditions that we have set and respected.

 

(And I am not the Four Seasons; when I have empty rooms, it is actually very healthy for me to sit with that emptiness and enjoy it, recharging my energy for whenever I have full house again. -No pun intended.)

 

Oh Juan, you and your long-winded diatribes.

 

I understand where you're coming from, and you have the ability, the reputation and the location all working in your favor to be able to demand such. Before the economy tanked, I used to be able to do the same—in fact my rates went up several times and never came down. I'm in a major market with a lot of competition now, and while I'm in a niche—it's not the most popular one. I couldn't handle the number of appointments if it were, and I hate scheduling extended times with most clients anyway. I also don't consider myself a professional escort—I know I'm in this for the short run, and the idea is to make as much as I can for now and then move on. That's not to say I don't enjoy what I do, or that I'm faking it all—if I could, I'd make a lot more money.

 

I definitely agree with you about the free beach—I've been offered that several times, and it's always been: "I'd rather go alone—thanks."

[Juan Vancouver]

Oh Juan, you and your long-winded diatribes.

 

You think that was long? I wrote that on my phone, in a rush! =)

 

Thank you for your candid response. It really makes sense when you say that you are in it for a short, profitable run. It makes a huge difference. Seeing every single person that wants to see you would make it impossible for you to stay healthy and happy in the long run. And if your goal is to make as much as fast as you can, I think you are doing the right thing.

 

I find it fascinating to see how many different "professions" there are; as many as escorts.

 

Big hug!

 

Juan

[Keenan]

I never waiver on my advertised rate. Now I may lower it from time to time to try to spur more interest but we as escort are human, not an object. True some clients may see escorts as objects for their desire and nothing more and that is fine as long as they treat the escort with respect. I've been in situations where the client has treated me as nothing more than an object and those are the ones that have usually asked for a discount. IMHO I see that as an insult to the escort who is trying to do a job.

 

Keenan

[maxwellissmart]

I never waiver on my advertised rate. Now I may lower it from time to time to try to spur more interest but we as escort are human, not an object. True some clients may see escorts as objects for their desire and nothing more and that is fine as long as they treat the escort with respect. I've been in situations where the client has treated me as nothing more than an object and those are the ones that have usually asked for a discount. IMHO I see that as an insult to the escort who is trying to do a job.

 

Keenan

 

Well, of course there's a limit I'll take too—as far as dropping a rate, and it's based on a variety of factors: how far I have to travel, if I feel up for it, how late in the day, if I've got regularly-priced business the next day, if I want to buy something, and so on. And a huge factor in swaying my decision is the client's attitude. If some guy tells me he'll meet with me for such and such price and draws a line in the sand—I'll probably turn him down. If I get the feeling from the email that the guy is going to be quick and easy—I'll try to snag the appointment with a slightly lower rate.

[Cal28]

Escorts, let me tell you, you want my number to show up on your caller ID. Excuse my immodesty, but I am a fucking fantastic client. Part of it is from my mama, and how she raised me to respect others (with a particular emphasis on respecting service providers). Part of it is good common sense. And part of it is the wisdom I’ve picked up on this forum.

 

Here is my solemn promise:

 

I won’t call or email you unless I’m absolutely serious. When we do talk – and we will talk, because I insist on it – the conversation will last about 5 minutes. When we email, the back-and-forth will occur no more than 3 times before meeting. Texting is only for day of, and it is to tell you that I’ve arrived and to give you my room number.

 

When you arrive, I will be there. I’ll be freshly showered and sober. I’ll have an unopened Poland Spring waiting for you. I’ll be cheerful and excited – sometimes a bit shy in the first few moments, but that will go away quickly. I like having conversation… the upbeat and fun kind, not the serious or creepy kind. I’m way more mild than wild, and therein lies the biggest challenge I present. I’m convinced that vanilla sessions can be just as demanding to some escorts as the kinky ones. But I’m slowly opening up to more things. You can save your load for your next client… it’s fine with me. And while I’m not a freak about it, I’ll also keep an eye on the clock. I’ll regard some extra few minutes as a treat, not an entitlement. Shower if you like... that’s what the hotel towels are there for.

 

I’ll write you a review, and assuming it’s a good one, I’ll email it to you before it shows up here. (I haven’t had a bad interaction yet, fortunately. If I did, I'm not sure whether or not I would give you a preview.) As I mentioned to one of my new friends on this board, it’s important for me to memorialize the experience. It’s also important to me to have you read about my experience. But my post-meeting communication will be limited to that (until the next appointment, that is) and I won’t regard you as my newfound friend.

 

And here’s the most important thing: not only will I never negotiate your posted rate, assuming that I am pleased with the experience, I will add a generous tip. One guy handed me back money, which I didn’t accept. It’s not because I’m unique, or rich or especially unselfish. It’s because I take these interactions very seriously, and they mean a lot to me. It’s because I respect you, yes. But mainly, it’s because I respect myself.

 

I’ll bet the vast majority of the regulars on this board follow these same rules and can add to them. And new clients find Daddy’s and learn from it… I did just a mere three months ago. My point of all this blather is: don’t negotiate. Lower your rates temporarily if it comes to that. But stick to your guns, and fucking fantastic clients like me will find you. If we can’t afford you, we’ll move on. If you are too irresistible, we’ll eat Ramen noodles until we can.

[jawjateck]

I am a fucking fantastic client.

 

Dang Cal! You are the client of my dreams. Hit me up man. My rates are a steal.

[down_to_business]

Someone just needs to do an Escort Ebay already!

[unsub2O17]

Escorts, let me tell you, you want my number to show up on your caller ID. Excuse my immodesty, but I am a fucking fantastic client. Part of it is from my mama, and how she raised me to respect others (with a particular emphasis on respecting service providers). Part of it is good common sense. And part of it is the wisdom I’ve picked up on this forum.

 

Here is my solemn promise:

 

I won’t call or email you unless I’m absolutely serious. When we do talk – and we will talk, because I insist on it – the conversation will last about 5 minutes. When we email, the back-and-forth will occur no more than 3 times before meeting. Texting is only for day of, and it is to tell you that I’ve arrived and to give you my room number.

 

When you arrive, I will be there. I’ll be freshly showered and sober. I’ll have an unopened Poland Spring waiting for you. I’ll be cheerful and excited – sometimes a bit shy in the first few moments, but that will go away quickly. I like having conversation… the upbeat and fun kind, not the serious or creepy kind. I’m way more mild than wild, and therein lies the biggest challenge I present. I’m convinced that vanilla sessions can be just as demanding to some escorts as the kinky ones. But I’m slowly opening up to more things. You can save your load for your next client… it’s fine with me. And while I’m not a freak about it, I’ll also keep an eye on the clock. I’ll regard some extra few minutes as a treat, not an entitlement. Shower if you like... that’s what the hotel towels are there for.

 

I’ll write you a review, and assuming it’s a good one, I’ll email it to you before it shows up here. (I haven’t had a bad interaction yet, fortunately. If I did, I'm not sure whether or not I would give you a preview.) As I mentioned to one of my new friends on this board, it’s important for me to memorialize the experience. It’s also important to me to have you read about my experience. But my post-meeting communication will be limited to that (until the next appointment, that is) and I won’t regard you as my newfound friend.

 

And here’s the most important thing: not only will I never negotiate your posted rate, assuming that I am pleased with the experience, I will add a generous tip. One guy handed me back money, which I didn’t accept. It’s not because I’m unique, or rich or especially unselfish. It’s because I take these interactions very seriously, and they mean a lot to me. It’s because I respect you, yes. But mainly, it’s because I respect myself.

 

I’ll bet the vast majority of the regulars on this board follow these same rules and can add to them. And new clients find Daddy’s and learn from it… I did just a mere three months ago. My point of all this blather is: don’t negotiate. Lower your rates temporarily if it comes to that. But stick to your guns, and fucking fantastic clients like me will find you. If we can’t afford you, we’ll move on. If you are too irresistible, we’ll eat Ramen noodles until we can.

 

I thought that I was the client from heaven, but you got me beat all hollow! As you speculated, I have no problem with anything you wrote or suggested--except, I must admit that a big part of my pleasure is seeing the escort's pleasure, and a part of that, for me, is seeing him cum. Sorry, but it's part of the "respect for myself" issue that you described so well.

[Guest countryboywny]

Cal28's post is one of the best I've ever read! It's exactly the way I feel!

[+ FreshFluff]

Cal, you make me want to become an escort!

[rickp]

I have to agree that I don't discount one hour appointments. Now, for a longer session (meaning multiple days/weeks) or one involving travel, I'm happy to be more flexible in the rate. It just doesn't seem worth it to me to haggle over a one hour appointment.

[SteveEscort]

I have to agree that I don't discount one hour appointments. Now, for a longer session (meaning multiple days/weeks) or one involving travel, I'm happy to be more flexible in the rate. It just doesn't seem worth it to me to haggle over a one hour appointment.

 

I get what you're saying but if you charged $200 an hour and someone offered you $180 because that's all they had would you turn down the $180 and sit all evening without another appointment.

[bigvalboy]

A most excellent post Cal...I could not have said it better. Looking forward to our meet!!!

[rickp]

Yes, because another call would come in right behind it offering to pay the full rate.

[+ FreshFluff]

I'm not a client, so take this with a huge grain of salt:

 

There might be an additional problem with discounting in the web 2.0 age. If an escort discounts frequently, word may get around about it online. (I have not seen this in the 411s here, but then I don't look at many of them.) That may mean more clients, but it could also make people unlikely to pay the full price. Moreover, people often unconsciously draw links between price and quality and may assume that the frequent discount implies some issue with quality (broadly defined).

 

This is the reason luxury goods companies control their distribution so tightly.

[MiamiLooker]

But stick to your guns, and fucking fantastic clients like me will find you. If we can’t afford you, we’ll move on. If you are too irresistible, we’ll eat Ramen noodles until we can.

 

How many in the biz are irresistible?

[EZEtoGRU]

I thought that I was the client from heaven, but you got me beat all hollow! As you speculated, I have no problem with anything you wrote or suggested--except, I must admit that a big part of my pleasure is seeing the escort's pleasure, and a part of that, for me, is seeing him cum. Sorry, but it's part of the "respect for myself" issue that you described so well.

+1

I also loved his post.....except for the part about the escort not having to cum. For me, the entire goal of the encounter is seeing the other guy cum. For me, it's non-negotiable. If the escort can't guarantee a cumshot on my chest, I ain't interested.

[bigvalboy]

How many in the biz are irresistible?

 

Actually for me..... there are a handful that are absolutely irresistible..Gotta have them, somehow someway. Don't care what it takes, as Cal28 says we will eat Ramen Noodles till we can.

 

I've got two on my "bucket list" right now. I am putting off moving to go see one, now that is some crazy shit.

[bigvalboy]

Idiot here. =)

 

I decided in my early escorting days that I would only accept engagements on my advertised rates. I know it may be arbitrary but I decided then that I would only meet people who I perceived to be respectful of me, my conditions and my body, and people who I thought understood escorting as the loving, caring profession that I think it to be. For this reason, if anyone contacts me and I can read a clear lack of respect in the way he communicates with me, I politely decline to meet him. I know there may be men who can't genuinely pay my rates, and I have to live with the prospect of never having the chance to meet them, but most of the people who ask for a discount will end up paying in full. (And it is those, the negotiators, the ones who will deliberately try to extend the session beyond its limits to try to get more out of you, it's them who will ask you to make them cum one hour after their hour session is over, the ones who will be rude, and disrespectful and crass.) I know two escorts who do accept discounted rates and they are often kvetching about the cheap clients they took, I am more than happy to miss all that.

 

I am sure I have missed out on some wonderful men and possibly I missed the chance to go to the beach "for free" in a couple of occasions, but when I go to an appointment, I am intensely focused, every single time, because I am satisfied with the conditions that we have set and respected.

 

(And I am not the Four Seasons; when I have empty rooms, it is actually very healthy for me to sit with that emptiness and enjoy it, recharging my energy for whenever I have full house again. -No pun intended.)

 

Got it and well said. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a negotiator on pricing. The price posted, is what I pay period. Every escort has a different situation. I certainly understand business dropping off or competition suddenly moves into your area and you feel that prices must reflect that. But whatever is posted, high or low is what I pay.

 

My feeling is that escorts also have expenses like everyone else in life and are not fortunate enough to have a steady pay check and often do no have the medical coverage that some of us have that we do not have to pay for. I am blessed I know.

I hire for a two hour, then in two hours I am prepared to end the session. A couple of times that got extended, but not by me asking. Absolutely not!!!

 

I consider myself a catch when it comes to clients. I am always respectful and care as much about the escort having a good time as myself. I show up on time, clean and ready to play. I have only canceled once, and that was recently. I had gotten a little cold and it just would not go away, and I did not want to take the chance of passing anything on. I call when I say I am going to call, and do what I say I am going to do.

 

 

I did real estate for years and even when I represented friends, they would ask about the commission. I would say the same thing to them as I would say to everyone. My commission is "NON-NEGOTIABLE" I worked just as hard for them, often harder, than I would for anyone else. My time and expenses remained the same. It was their choice to move on if they wished. Even when I represented my parents in a sale, they paid me a full commission.

 

Only once did I accept a lower commission, this was very early on, and it was a disaster. After cutting my commission in half with the promise that he would let me represent him on the up leg, he screwed me out of the other half...I promised myself that would never happen again.

 

I respect an escort who holds true to his values and business ethics.

 

Written from my iphone.....just playin:)