WARNING: Iimplementing a 1 strike cancel rule for previous clients?

[citylaw1]

Your statements about knowledge of Peter Luger's are insults wrapped within insults—meant to indicate that Joey is an uncultured buffoon and therefore not even savvy enough to understand he's being insulted.

 

Was it not? Or perhaps you have a better explanation of what you're trying to say?

 

Ummm, have you been to Peter Lugers? It's hardly a stage where culture performs. I don't know Joey, and have no idea (although I might be on to something) if he's a buffoon. He is, however, portraying an aged Luger's waiter quite well. Do you think my comments were nastier than his "fuck off" comments? Are you willing to pay 50 percent up front? If not, the "fuck off" was directed towards you as well.

[citylaw1]

Rather than telling everyone to "fuck off," why not implement a policy? This is what I suggested to Mikeynola: "24 hours notice is not unreasonable. If the same client wishes to book again, he should be required to pay half of the would have been fee for the missed appointment. This would, however, need to be disclosed prior to a booking. Why not implement this policy with your bookings? It seems reasonable to me. It's EXACTLY the policy that my hair salon has."

[maxwellissmart]

Ummm, have you been to Peter Lugers? It's hardly a stage where culture performs. I don't know Joey, and have no idea (although I might be on to something) if he's a buffoon. He is, however, portraying an aged Luger's waiter quite well. Do you think my comments were nastier than his "fuck off" comments? Are you willing to pay 50 percent up front? If not, the "fuck off" was directed towards you as well.

 

Yawn. Moving on.

[jjkrkwood]

Ummm, have you been to Peter Lugers? It's hardly a stage where culture performs. I don't know Joey, and have no idea (although I might be on to something) if he's a buffoon. He is, however, portraying an aged Luger's waiter quite well. Do you think my comments were nastier than his "fuck off" comments? Are you willing to pay 50 percent up front? If not, the "fuck off" was directed towards you as well.

 

I think the "fuck-off" was Rhetorical, sorta like a balloon bubble over ones head indicating his thought.... And as a connoisseur of Big pieces of meat, I HAVE been to Peter Lugers, and you hardly need a PHD to dine there. Maybe just a Gold card ? While I often dont agree with Joeys approach to business, his opinions or even his posting style, I am sorta used to him. I simply read what I choose to, comment OR not, and move on. As I have said many times, knowing Joey is an escort, IF I were looking to hire and the proximity was acceptable, i would PASS basely soley on his presentations in these Forums. However that is certainly NO indication of his potential appeal to other readers.

[citylaw1]

I think the "fuck-off" was Rhetorical, sorta like a balloon bubble over ones head indicating his thought.... And as a connoisseur of Big pieces of meat, I HAVE been to Peter Lugers, and you hardly need a PHD to dine there. Maybe just a Gold card ? While I often dont agree with Joeys approach to business, his opinions or even his posting style, I am sorta used to him. I simply read what I choose to, comment OR not, and move on. As I have said many times, knowing Joey is an escort, IF I were looking to hire and the proximity was acceptable, i would PASS basely soley on his presentations in these Forums. However that is certainly NO indication of his potential appeal to other readers.

 

Can't use a Gold Card. Lugers is one of the last cash only (or Lugers Card) places around. they certainly have it good.

[jjkrkwood]

Can't use a Gold Card. Lugers is one of the last cash only (or Lugers Card) places around. they certainly have it good.

 

Well I didnt pay ! - Thats the BEST meal.... :o

[jimboivyo]

What an exceptionally nasty thing to say.

 

exceptionally honest, not nasty.

 

if an escort wants to vent, thats fine by me. if he's smart, he'll do it in a self controlled environment, but this is not that. ignoring someone who repeats himself like a broken record is tough, especially when you know he's shooting himself in the foot, or in this case just putting it directly into his mouth.

[seeker630]

Well I didnt pay ! - Thats the BEST meal.... :o

 

[JoeyBryant]

I am still wondering how his legal action against the Canadian immigration officials went (this was 6-10 months ago). I think I know the answer but it would be nice if he closed off that chapter for us. Anyway, sorry for the diversion from the original thread topic.

 

Yes, they responded back to me by certified mail apologizing for the inconvenience and they acknowledged that one of their officials were in the wrong for the way they handled my visit. I am welcome back without rehabilitation, as there is nothing on my record at this time that would stop me from visiting the area to VISIT. I am currently planning another trip for gay pride weekend in Toronto.

 

Would you be comfortable with a restaurant requiring a 50% deposit upfront to guarantee your reservation? How about your dentist? Hair stylist? Accountant? Lawyer?

 

You're out of line, and out of your mind. Out of touch, and out of time. But I'm out of my head when you're not around? No...

 

Again, the topic was about repeat clients who cancel repeatedly. Even my dentist got on me once for cancelling an appointment. Warning if I waited too long to get the crowns put in, I could run into some issues. Lawyers, I've dealt with 2 or 3 of them. I am working with one right now actually. They will drop your case in a minute if they sense you are not returning calls and playing around. They are busy practicing law and don't have time for flakes. Why do you think Zimmerman's attorneys dropped out of that case? Because he wasn't returning their calls! So they dropped out until he started answering again.

 

You don't think that many would choose not to hire, based on an escorts' behavior herein? I bet you're very wrong. You may want to check in on Noah Driver and ask him how his business is doing...

 

Okay, who the hell are you, an advocate? Who are you?

 

1st off, him and I don't even live in the same area, don't have the same looks, won't even have the same clientele. He's short. I'm tall. I'm Black, he's White. I'm fuzzy, he's smooth. Why would you even dare to compare? If Noah Driver were to tell me he's doing great down there in San Antonio, I'd be like..."well I used to live there. But you know what? In 7 months, I left and came to Denver, rented a condo and am doing 3 times as better I was doing in San Antonio. I done changed everything up, you wouldn't even know it's the same guy from back then. That's how I'm doing.

 

You're trying to create drama by name-dropping other *****s. Look, I have more reviews (on men4rent's review site) than most guys in my area and every month I am traveling someplace different. I can attest my own success, there's very few people (the ones who I do know who they are, thanks guys!) I bother asking about their business because guess what? I don't care! Guys in Denver ask ME to send them clients. I'm like, baby, I don't have that ability! They see me and want to be my friend when I'm out on the scene. Wanting to know how I do it.

[citylaw1]

Yes, they responded back to me by certified mail apologizing for the inconvenience and they acknowledged that one of their officials were in the wrong for the way they handled my visit. I am welcome back without rehabilitation, as there is nothing on my record at this time that would stop me from visiting the area to VISIT. I am currently planning another trip for gay pride weekend in Toronto.

 

 

 

You're out of line, and out of your mind. Again, the topic was about repeat clients who cancel repeatedly. Even my dentist got on me once for cancelling an appointment. Warning if I waited too long to get the crowns put in, I could run into some issues. Lawyers, I've dealt with 2 or 3 of them. I am working with one right now actually. They will drop your case in a minute if they sense you are not returning calls and playing around. Why do you think Zimmerman's attorneys dropped out of that case?

 

So you can drop the client then. Out of line, how so? Good luck getting the 50% deposit; there are more threads on here warning against that to count. What do you know about George Zimmerman's attorneys? As with any service industry, you must accept the good with the bad. Some people will blow off a restaurant reservation, and some will blow off an escort appointment. I certainly don't agree with either scenario without proper notice, however, that's the game you're in.

[jjkrkwood]

Yes, they responded back to me by certified mail apologizing for the inconvenience and they acknowledged that one of their officials were in the wrong for the way they handled my visit. I am welcome back without rehabilitation, as there is nothing on my record at this time that would stop me from visiting the area to VISIT. I am currently planning another trip for gay pride weekend in Toronto.

 

You're out of line, and out of your mind. Out of touch, and out of time. But I'm out of my head when you're not around? No...

 

Again, the topic was about repeat clients who cancel repeatedly. Even my dentist got on me once for cancelling an appointment. Warning if I waited too long to get the crowns put in, I could run into some issues. Lawyers, I've dealt with 2 or 3 of them. I am working with one right now actually. They will drop your case in a minute if they sense you are not returning calls and playing around. They are busy practicing law and don't have time for flakes. Why do you think Zimmerman's attorneys dropped out of that case? Because he wasn't returning their calls! So they dropped out until he started answering again.

 

I think the bigger question for Me is WHY you would even wnat to deal with these clients AT ALL ???? Imposing an upfront fee from a client you know is gonna Cancel on you based on his repeated history is only telling me you are trying to milk the guy out of his easy money. Just refuse the booking. PERIOD. I am sure you can make up the income elsewhere considering the broad client base you claim. Alot of the time Joey it seems to me like you "create" you own bad situations. There are no rules or policies needed here. You know your clients and should handle them accordingly, meaning NOT handle them at all if they have proven to be troublesome.

 

On a separate note, you might try to rethink how you respond to people on these boards. While I dont mind your "out of line" comment to citylaw that much, I am offended by you saying he is out of his mind because you were not in agreement with HIS comments, or perhaps he may have misubderstood what you were proposing. I honestly believe you need to keep your anger issues in check. The world is not a perfect place, and people will often NOT see the world thru your glasses. Name calling doesnt help you get YOUR point across.

[tom1980]

I don't think the initial comment about sounding like an old waiter at Peter Lugers was necessarily insulting. The follow up comments regarding wither Joey would know the restaurant and that he probably would not could be viewed as insulting. If I didn't visit NY regularly, I probably wouldn't be familiar with it. The comment could be read as indicating that Joey, living in Colorado, is unfamiliar with a NY restaurant. But the snideness with which it was stated (at least it sounded snide to me) seems to indicate an intent to insult Joey.

 

I've thus far avoided posting on this thread because Joey tends to take issue with my posts on his threads and feels the need to "talk smack" to me when I offer an opposing view or criticism. But now that I've gotten involved, I'll give my opinion on the primary topic. Every escort has the right to refuse to see clients for any reason he deems appropriate or to place conditions on his willingness to see clients, including the condition of requiring a deposit. If an escort has decided to cut a client off after repeated cancellations, then asking for a deposit presumably does no harm. If the guy pays the deposit, then the escort is protected in the event of a future cancellation. If the client refuses, then the escort suffers no harm because he wasn't willing to see the client again without a deposit.

 

Now whether demanding the deposit or decisions to cut the client off in the first place is a good business decision, I don't know. It depends on many factors and probably requires a case-by-case determination. In some cases, it probably makes sense because the escort either can't trust that the client is serious or he is unable to provide good service to the client because the relationship has deteriorated beyond repair. If that's the case, cut them off. It's better than scheduling time and getting upset when the client cancels or risking a bad review because the client senses your disconnect.

 

As far as business earned or lost from posting here, I recently had an escort tell me that he believes only 3% of clients who post here actually hire. I think he's off even if less than 3% of his business comes from posters. I can only speak for myself, but I have hired and decided not to hire certain escorts because of what I've read on the forums. Even if it's a relatively small market, I think that escorts should try to put their best foot forward when posting here because it can have an impact. Having said that, most clients who post here are from large cities. Because Joey seems to focus on some smaller big cities (like Denver), his business is probably affected less by the forums than some escorts based in larger cities. This is purely speculation on my part, but I would be curious to know if escorts in larger markets can suffer greater consequences from making a bad impression here than escorts in smaller markets. Perhaps the larger number of clients available in the large areas means those escorts don't suffer much either? I know this got a bit off topic, but the question intrigues me.

[citylaw1]

Because Joey seems to focus on some smaller big cities (like Denver), his business is probably affected less by the forums than some escorts based in larger cities. This is purely speculation on my part, but I would be curious to know if escorts in larger markets can suffer greater consequences from making a bad impression here than escorts in smaller markets. Perhaps the larger number of clients available in the large areas means those escorts don't suffer much either? I know this got a bit off topic, but the question intrigues me.

 

The lack of responses from escorts on here answers your questions. It's bad practice in small and large cities to bash potential clients on here. If Joey was smart, he would have PM'd someone on here who's opinion he values.

[JoeyBryant]

The lack of responses from escorts on here answers your questions. It's bad practice in small and large cities to bash potential clients on here. If Joey was smart, he would have PM'd someone on here who's opinion he values.

 

And if you were smart, you'd of been able to decipher I was in no way bashing clients on here. I was simply making a statement about what I feel would be required for cancellations for repeat clients. I think at this point in time, I've earned points to step things up and be a bit more strict.

 

Because Joey seems to focus on some smaller big cities (like Denver)' date=' his business is probably affected less by the forums than some escorts based in larger cities. This is purely speculation on my part, but I would be curious to know if escorts in larger markets can suffer greater consequences from making a bad impression here than escorts in smaller markets. Perhaps the larger number of clients available in the large areas means those escorts don't suffer much either? I know this got a bit off topic, but the question intrigues me.[/quote']

 

Look, stop reading into it so much. Suffering Great Consequences? Dramatic much? That's like posting on a job forum and thinking prospective employers are reading your posts. Employers should be busy with interviews, not focusing on review boards. They are reading resumes (in my case, my ad) and doing interviews (calling me on the phone/email).

 

I do realize someone may be out lurking, but I try to tone it down for that fact and by no means would I want to discourage someone from hiring me based on the posts on this board. My reviews speak about the kind of person I am, and I'd hope people hire me based on that, my ads, and my phone presentation. At the same time, Our ads don't give us enough room to discuss these things. Not everyone stops to read blogs either.

 

I'm sorry to say, it's hard for me to take this board seriously, and neither should you. I come here for entertainment, not to talk about how beautiful and great in bed I am. I'm just not a 24/7 serious guy.

[tom1980]

The lack of responses from escorts on here answers your questions. It's bad practice in small and large cities to bash potential clients on here. If Joey was smart, he would have PM'd someone on here who's opinion he values.

 

Although I agree that it must be bad business to some extent, I'm curious to know what the level of impact is. Also, I don't think the lack of responses from escorts during the 11 minutes that elapsed from the time of my post to your response is dispositive or necessarily even indicative. I also don't think that venting automatically portrays an escort in a bad light. It's the tone that affects how I view the escort. The same complaint can be written in many different ways, which allows the escort to come across as angry, witty, sarcastic, befuddled, whiny, etc. It's all in the presentation. The focus of the message also affects how I and other readers view the author. An approach detailing how a client's bad behavior ruined the escort's day is perceived differently from a can-you-believe-what-this-asshole-pulled approach.

[MiamiLooker]

As far as business earned or lost from posting here, I recently had an escort tell me that he believes only 3% of clients who post here actually hire. I think he's off even if less than 3% of his business comes from posters. I can only speak for myself, but I have hired and decided not to hire certain escorts because of what I've read on the forums. Even if it's a relatively small market, I think that escorts should try to put their best foot forward when posting here because it can have an impact. Having said that, most clients who post here are from large cities. Because Joey seems to focus on some smaller big cities (like Denver), his business is probably affected less by the forums than some escorts based in larger cities. This is purely speculation on my part, but I would be curious to know if escorts in larger markets can suffer greater consequences from making a bad impression here than escorts in smaller markets. Perhaps the larger number of clients available in the large areas means those escorts don't suffer much either? I know this got a bit off topic, but the question intrigues me.

 

You’re not taking into account the many readers that visit this site that don’t post. This forum may feel like it sometimes, but it's not someone's living room with a bunch of guys sitting around chatting.

[EZEtoGRU]

Yes, they responded back to me by certified mail apologizing for the inconvenience and they acknowledged that one of their officials were in the wrong for the way they handled my visit. I am welcome back without rehabilitation, as there is nothing on my record at this time that would stop me from visiting the area to VISIT. I am currently planning another trip for gay pride weekend in Toronto.

 

Again, the topic was about repeat clients who cancel repeatedly. Even my dentist got on me once for cancelling an appointment. Warning if I waited too long to get the crowns put in, I could run into some issues. Lawyers, I've dealt with 2 or 3 of them. I am working with one right now actually. They will drop your case in a minute if they sense you are not returning calls and playing around. They are busy practicing law and don't have time for flakes. Why do you think Zimmerman's attorneys dropped out of that case? Because he wasn't returning their calls! So they dropped out until he started answering again.

 

If true, congrats on the apology from the Canadian Immigration Service. As I recall, you were seeking more than an apology. In any case, as far as the trip to Toronto, you now have a legitimate reason to enter Canada (Gay Pride). Please follow our advice and DO NOT indicate you are going to be a sex worker when you pass through immigration.

 

Now as far as your involvement with lawyers, it concerns me that at your young age you have already had the need to be involved with attorneys 2-3 times and are currently engaging the services of an attorney. At 52 years old, I have never had to hire an attorney for anything although I am thinking about doing it soon to do a last will and testament. I don't know what you are doing, who you are hanging out with, or what is happening in your life, but someone your age that needs to be engaging legal consul with any regularity raises red flags to me. Anyway, these are your issues to deal with. I'm just sayin......

[seeker630]

You’re not taking into account the many readers that visit this site that don’t post. This forum may feel like it sometimes, but it's not someone's living room with a bunch of guys sitting around chatting.

 

Sorry, ML, but there's no way to take them into account if they don't volunteer any information. We know even less about their hiring practices & demographics than we do about the posters.

[seeker630]

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As far as business earned or lost from posting here, I recently had an escort tell me that he believes only 3% of clients who post here actually hire. I think he's off even if less than 3% of his business comes from posters. I can only speak for myself, but I have hired and decided not to hire certain escorts because of what I've read on the forums. Even if it's a relatively small market, I think that escorts should try to put their best foot forward when posting here because it can have an impact. Having said that, most clients who post here are from large cities. Because Joey seems to focus on some smaller big cities (like Denver), his business is probably affected less by the forums than some escorts based in larger cities. This is purely speculation on my part, but I would be curious to know if escorts in larger markets can suffer greater consequences from making a bad impression here than escorts in smaller markets. Perhaps the larger number of clients available in the large areas means those escorts don't suffer much either? I know this got a bit off topic, but the question intrigues me.

 

I too wondered about the location factor. I think the number of posters who fly escorts in is relatively small, and if an escort isn't in one of the largest cities or doesn't travel to them frequently, then the effect of any posting here is likely to be minimal.

 

I'm also curious as to whether most posters here ARE in the largest cities. Larger cities have more escort options, so I suppose that could lead to more posters, but I'm uncertain if that is the case.

 

I'd love ot see some demographics for this board (age & location, primarily), but I'm pretty sure that will never happen.

[JoeyBryant]

Now as far as your involvement with lawyers, it concerns me that at your young age you have already had the need to be involved with attorneys 2-3 times and are currently engaging the services of an attorney. At 52 years old, I have never had to hire an attorney for anything although I am thinking about doing it soon to do a last will and testament. I don't know what you are doing, who you are hanging out with, or what is happening in your life, but someone your age that needs to be engaging legal consul with any regularity raises red flags to me. Anyway, these are your issues to deal with. I'm just sayin......

 

Why does it always have to be bad? Because I'm Black? White people hire attorneys all the time for stuff. That's the 1st thing they holler out when they don't get their way. "I'M CALLING MY LAWYER! I'M SUING YOU!" An Attorney is the person who is going to be there to make things easier for you because they know the law. I've only gotten 1 speeding ticket in my life. I got a mailbox full of attorneys offering to help me with my 'case'. I just took DD and paid court fees and it was dismissed.

 

However, if you ever find yourself in an accident that's not your fault...like I did, it will serve you very well. I don't deal with other people's auto-insurance companies. I did it once, in San Antonio...but never again. I just get an attorney.

 

I wouldn't deal with anything pertaining to law without an attorney on my side. There comes things in life, not necessarily criminal, that the expertise of an attorney will be beneficial.

 

Put your red flags down and put on your yellow thinking cap. Not the condom, but the one for your brain. I'm a good man with a kind heart.

[jjkrkwood]

Why does it always have to be bad? Because I'm Black? White people hire attorneys all the time for stuff. An Attorney is the person who is going to be there to make things easier for you because they know the law. I've only gotten 1 speeding ticket in my life. I got a mailbox full of attorneys offering to help me with my 'case'. I just took DD and paid court fees and it was dismissed.

 

However, if you ever find yourself in an accident that's not your fault...like I did, it will serve you very well. I don't deal with other people's auto-insurance companies. I did it once, in San Antonio...but never again. I just get an attorney.

 

I wouldn't deal with anything pertaining to law without an attorney on my side. There comes things in life, not necessarily criminal, that the expertise of an attorney will be beneficial.

 

Put your red flags down and put on your yellow thinking cap. Not the condom, but the one for your brain. I'm a good man with a kind heart.

 

Joey, this is outrageous. EZE's post made NO mention of race. Why then bring it up.? Is this another of YOUR issues ? You really do need to take it down a notch and knock that chip off your shoulder. Escorts on this site will usually try to put their best foot forward. Sorry to say, you are an amputee ! And honestly, i dont know how or why anyone would hire you. You are just one angry, hostile person in a business that relies on "people skills".... Amazing !

[JoeyBryant]

Joey, this is outrageous. EZE's post made NO mention of race. Why then bring it up.?

 

Because, if I was some older White guy, he'd be like...damn, how many people did you sue? Not: I don't know what kind of people you're hanging out with. Come on, this is 2012, we can talk about race. I was simply correcting his perception about me.

[tom1980]

Assumption that Consulting an Attorney Means Trouble

 

I was also surprised by the assumption that having business with an attorney indicated that Joey was in trouble. In addition to those mentioned by Joey, there are hundreds of innocent reasons to consult an attorney. For example, probate issues when a relative dies, analyzing/drafting a contract (like a lease or important purchase agreement), or determining whether you have a cause of action against someone for any number of reasons (including products liability, wrongful termination, etc.). Most lawyers handle civil rather than criminal matters, and people need lawyers for many reasons.

[jjkrkwood]

Because, if I was some older White guy, he'd be like...damn, how many people did you sue? Not: I don't know what kind of people you're hanging out with. Come on, this is 2012, we can talk about race. I was simply correcting his perception about me.

 

I dont believe his question had anything to do with your race in HIS mind, merely a question he asked based on the legal stories you have told publicly here. I think you are projecting your insecurities onto him, and you are the one with the race issue, not he...His perception of you has to do with your issues discussed here, NOT your race. My perception of you is likewise.

 

And you are also constantly bringing up age issues and seem to imply that its always OLDER people giving you problems. Your disdain for older people is getting tiresome. Perhaps, and hopefully when you are OLDER, you will also be WISER ?

[jjkrkwood]

I was also surprised by the assumption that having business with an attorney indicated that Joey was in trouble. In addition to those mentioned by Joey, there are hundreds of innocent reasons to consult an attorney. For example, probate issues when a relative dies, analyzing/drafting a contract (like a lease or important purchase agreement), or determining whether you have a cause of action against someone for any number of reasons (including products liability, wrongful termination, etc.). Most lawyers handle civil rather than criminal matters, and people need lawyers for many reasons.

 

Regardless tom, RACE was never brought into this. why introduce this hot topic ?