Is this typical of how things end up after a few months? Or is it the season?

[JoeyBryant]

I have lived in my current location now for well over 12 months. Since moving here, I have met a fulfilling number of clients both local and visiting clients. I also feel I have done better in my current location than I have done in any other place I have lived on my own. I was always on time for my bills, had some extra spending money, and pretty much settled in for the most part. For several months, I had a few regular clients and new clients and stayed decently busy.

 

However, I have began to notice lately, that stuff has just stopped happening anymore. I find I have to constantly travel to keep a busy schedule, and then when I return home I'm like bored out of my mind from lack of clients. Before the 1st of April, I went on a tour and stayed fairly busy, shopped and met new clients. When I got home, I had to pay dues and from that point it has been lackluster. Only 2 bookings since April 2nd and they were just massage/partial hour appointments.

 

And lately, I've been wondering: what's happened to my regulars? I had like 4 or 5 of them. Now, I don't even hear from them anymore. And these are guys I've met like 4-6 times last year. Not just once or twice. One regular moved away. One kept insisting getting us to meet for movies and lunches off clock, but once he realized I was only interested in appointments, I stopped hearing from him. The others? I have no idea. One guy, we met...he then called me about a month or so later, but I was not available at that time. I too have not heard back from him either.

 

Remedies I have tried have been offering massage on massage sites, but I been finding all that does is attract guys who expect more than a massage...plus I don't want to constantly offer massage as there is a lot of regulations in that. Plus, doing massage is not comfortable for me on most days after a long, hard workout or driving. Like yesterday, I did an arm-busting workout of biceps...and woke this morning barely able to stretch my arms. To get a call at 9:00 am when I'm feeling like that is not kosher. So I have since pulled all massage ads down. I feel I am essentially shooting myself in the foot by taking my ad down, but I'm willing to wait it out for as long as necessary so people can re-focus on the Joey Bryant and not massage ads.

 

Another remedy, I have also currently lowered rates a bit, by $20. But it still doesn't seem to be getting people in fast enough. I honestly cannot remember the last time a client has contacted me from men4rent or rentboy and had an incall over at my place. It's been so long. Probably since January? It's been massage sites mostly, and even that has been nil, which is too why I have let it go. And I also believe being on the massage site had compromised my business to a degree, which is the MAIN reason I have since taken it down, even though I was re-billed $99 last week. But it seems increasingly popular that paying for a massage is more accepted than paying for sex...but I do not like it when they feel entitled to have sex as part of the $80 massage. But then, although I notice some escorts charge $160-200 on massagem4m, these guys in Denver get all flustered about it and wouldn't dare pay that much for a 'massage'. But sex? That should be included in the price of a regular massage

 

I've since added 2 new websites to hourboy and rentmen, but still...nothing in nearly a week. Later this month and next month looks good for me...but in the meantime I have only been notified of 1 appointment until that time.

 

I hope this does not make me look 'undesirable', on the contrary I have more written reviews than any guy listed in my city. I also don't have an issue when I'm away, which is why I believe this is a local issue. I also remember, upon first coming here, I had clients everyday for 5 days...and now it seems like a distant memory

 

I have consistently improved in many aspects than last year...I know I didn't get worse! So it would seem natural that business would improve from my home base in the form of a higher volume, but that hasn't been the case.

[+ Shoreboy]

Joey

 

I don't think it has anything to do with you personally...in fact if people take the time to read your web page I dare say they would be more inclined to hire you.....very impressive web page if I do say so myself.

 

I only hire when I am traveling on business. I live in one of those small, NJ towns where everyone knows everyone and everyone's business..so it is too risky for me to bring an escort home.

 

I travel about 27 weeks out of the year and this past year I have had to cut my hiring in half due to the economy.

 

Hiring to me is a treat to myself and sadly enough with money being tight a luxury such as hiring is secondary to paying the bills

[jgoo]

Joey, I hope you do not mind me replying to this thread even though I am not an escort. I found it quite interesting and highlights to me a very specific aspect of what escorts have to deal with when running their business that can be quite challenging. Specifically, how to maintain a strong client base, much of it from repeat customers. I've been hiring for 20+ years so I've gone through a number of periods with different types/preferences of hiring, some periods were where I preferred repeat meetings as a regular client and others have been one time only hiring.

 

So the following is from one person's perspective and there are likely as many different reasons as there are clients.

 

I think there is a seasonal aspect to hiring, at least for me. I tend to hire more when the weather is very nice and the days are longer. I also hire less in periods on both sides of Christmas because of other demands on my time and expenses/bills. Then there is the tax man around this time of year. So yes I tend to hire less from November thru April (half the year). Not much you as an escort can do unless you want to give some deep discounts I don't know for sure but also imagine that some locations in the US are more seasonal for hiring than others (i.e. tourists, conventions, etc).

 

So I've hired at times the same guy over a long period but sometimes, while that was my intention for being a regular, often times after a few meetings it doesn't continue. Your thread made me think about the reasons for that. In a number of cases, there was not a compatibility that would sustain anything beyond a few meetings. The conversations, initially very interesting as we learned a bit about each other, became less meaningful and the appointments were more just about the sex. That is fine but for me I always enjoy a balance between sex and making some kind of connection. Other times, the "true" personality of the escort came through (yes, some escorts do put on an act when they meet a client and that is hard to sustain over time if they are not being genuine). Other times the escort couldn't seperate his personal life from his professional life in that his daily pressures/stresses would spill over into our time together and that could put a damper on the encounter. Still other times, escorts lost focus and frankly I felt that they took me for granted and/or just saw me as an ATM, which somehow came through in certain ways during our encounters (many times in the bedroom). I have in the past few years gotten away from repeat hires, I've found that I enjoy the excitement and perhaps a certain amount of uncertainty associated with hiring someone new to me that I lose after the first meeting.

 

The needs and desires of the clients, while I am sure we all have somethings in common (i.e. the desire for sex), differ in composition and degree for everyone. We see that here in the forum where on one end there are those that desire a strong connection that might be considered a friendship and on the other end are those that are there just for the cock and to enjoy a hot body (keep the conversation to a minimal). And of course there is every shade of nuance in between. All are quite valid but does show how an escort needs to be able to adapt to such a diverse crowd to keep the client base happy. Keeping the client happy by matching their needs with the service is key, in my view, to getting repeat customers and, in addition, it is important to somehow keep things fresh and not let it devolve into something that still isn't exciting.

 

All of that is related to understanding the issue you face Joey. If you have the ability to step back and see how you interact with the clients and see if there is something that you could do differently to keep things fresh and to maintain the focus on the clients, that could help you build a stronger client base. Not saying you have an issue with that (certainly I have no direct experience with you as I've never hired you) but something to consider. If you have an ex-regular that you feel you could approach for honest feedback as to why he stopped (without him feeling pressure that he should hire again or feel bad about stopping hiring you), that would be useful. In any case, I wish you the best and hope things go well for you.

 

Sorry for the long post but hopefully some useful nugget for you to consider.

[+ Travis69]

I knew an escort who would move every 12 months to a new city. He would generate a lot of business as the new guy on the market. After 12 months he had seen all the "one-timers" in that city. He might have several regulars but that wasn't enough to make it as profitable as he wanted so he moved on.

[tom1980]

Much of what jgoo wrote applies to me as well. I go through hiring booms and slumps depending on a variety of factors, including the amount of spare money I have, the amount of free time I have available after family and work commitments, and my general mood (I tend to hire more frequently when I'm happy than when I'm feeling depressed). I also agree with him on repeat hires. I don't think I've ever seen one escort more than 4 times (for massage, I schedule a lot more repeat visits if I really like the guy). Part of the reason that I don't repeat much is that I've only been hiring for a few years. I find that I enjoy repeat visits more if there's a break in between. So if a traveling escort visits my area a couple of times a year, I may see him every time he comes to town. Similarly, even if I really enjoy spending time with an escort who lives nearby, I may only want to see him 2 or 3 times per year. Even so, after 3 or 4 visits with a given escort, I sometimes find my interest diminished for the same reasons jgoo mentioned.

[MiamiLooker]

I’ve seen a guy 9 times so far this year. He’s always enthusiastic and has made every appointment seem as fresh as the first one.

[josephga]

imo people get bored and just move on. I've had massage clients book 4 to 5 times then just vanish. then turn up again a year later. people like variety. my sales have been horrible this month, maybe because it's tax time, spring break, i've been sick allot this month.

[unsub2O17]

I’ve seen a guy 9 times so far this year. He’s always enthusiastic and has made every appointment seem as fresh as the first one.

 

For me, it's 5 times and counting. There's so much to experience from him that I'm not even remotely bored. And I have used a visiting escort as well. One time was simply not enough!

[corndog]

Joey, I commend you for all the effort you seem to put into analyzing your business. Smart.

 

However, I think that one thing that this forum makes clear is that there are many, many different kinds of clients. I feel like you're working toward building a mental model of the "typical client," and I think that's a trap. Soak up each experience, and each opinion that is expressed here, but try not to assume that any two of us think the same way.

 

Here, it's also hard to put the most vocal opinions into perspective. With all due respect to you, I'm careful not to project your attitudes and opinions onto other escorts. And, while I read with interest, for example, the posts by jjkirkwood, I shudder at the thought that his ideas about hiring are assumed to be "typical." Let me emphasize that I don't intend this comment as criticism of jjkirkwood, but his opinions may appear to be more mainstream because of the frequency of his comments. I think that there are a lot of us here, who perhaps post less frequently, who approach hiring in very different ways.

[JoeyBryant]

Joey, I hope you do not mind me replying to this thread even though I am not an escort. In a number of cases, there was not a compatibility that would sustain anything beyond a few meetings. The conversations, initially very interesting as we learned a bit about each other, became less meaningful and the appointments were more just about the sex. or just saw me as an ATM, which somehow came through in certain ways during our encounters

 

Okay, now let's get to the root of that statement about being an ATM. And no, I do not mind you replying because of your being a client I think it should be directed to both. I think it's important to realize that the person didn't 'all of a sudden' see you as an ATM. I think some people in the beginning who hire often times play the part of ATM and they don't realize it. It's not until later that they start seeing themselves as such.Thing is, it was that way all the while.

 

I dated a guy last year who said something similar. When we first met months prior to us dating, there was an exchange of money he offered for 'college book money'. 4 months later after not meeting at all...we met again. I did not ask for money that 2nd time nor the next time or the time after that nor everytime I seen him. In a period of 5 months I probably asked about 3 times and they were small amounts of money. Not $200. Not $100. Smaller amounts. He cheerfully gave it up each time. Towards the end, he started mentioning himself feeling like an ATM. I told him..."when we met, you agreed to give me money. That was the premise of our first meeting. Don't make me feel as if I'm exploiting you, when all the while you consented and fully agreed to give money."

 

Now, I know as far as escorting that it's a bit different and no one should go into an appointment with their only focus being money. But thought I should clear up any feelings of ATM on the part of another.

 

I knew an escort who would move every 12 months to a new city. He would generate a lot of business as the new guy on the market. After 12 months he had seen all the "one-timers" in that city. He might have several regulars but that wasn't enough to make it as profitable as he wanted so he moved on.

 

I have on several occasions actually considered doing that. But sometimes you just wish you could just stay in 1 place. At the same time, I've already moved 3 times myself since 2010 so it kind of makes sense. But part of that too was I just didn't like the places I was living at either. But if I have the means to do it, why not?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've also just realized that a couple of my emails have being going to spam and haven't been received. Is it normal for gmail to end up as spam in AOL accounts?

[corndog]

I dated a guy last year who said something similar. When we first met months prior to us dating, there was an exchange of money he offered for 'college book money'. 4 months later after not meeting at all...we met again. I did not ask for money that 2nd time nor the next time or the time after that nor everytime I seen him. In a period of 5 months I probably asked about 3 times and they were small amounts of money. Not $200. Not $100. Smaller amounts. He cheerfully gave it up each time. Towards the end, he started mentioning himself feeling like an ATM. I told him..."when we met, you agreed to give me money. That was the premise of our first meeting. Don't make me feel as if I'm exploiting you, when all the while you consented and fully agreed to give money."

 

OK, Joey, I'm afraid this is going to be interpreted as me trying to pick a fight with you, so let me try to soften the blows by saying I'm not. I mean this totally constructively...

 

It seems like this isn't the first time you've mentioned blurring the lines between a "date" (personal) and an "appointment" (professional). I've read many posts here, usually from the clients point of view, about the extreme emotional danger of trying to cross over from a professional relationship to a genuine personal relationship. To summarize my recollection of all those posts, the prevailing advice is that if a client tries to make that transition, they should expect things to end badly, usually painfully, even if it works one in a million times. Don't you think that it's the same the other way too? Aren't you really setting yourself up to be hurt if you let down the wall between your professional and personal relationships?

 

If I were the guy that started out as a client and transitioned to a date, I think I'd be very sensitive about money coming back into the equation. Although I wouldn't hesitate to LEND any boyfriend fifty bucks now and then, I'd be very sensitive about it if it was someone that I'd originally met as an escort. It would hurt. It would lead me to question the very foundation of our relationship. And, if this wasn't someone that you really were interested in a relationship with, why on earth would you stop charging them?

[zeyfur]

Corndog - you will probably get joey to have another hissy fit.

[corndog]

Zeyfur, I sincerely hope not, but I recognize there is that risk. I think that the subject is really interesting, and if we can manage to discuss it without getting nasty, I think we can all learn something.

[MiamiLooker]

OK, Joey, I'm afraid this is going to be interpreted as me trying to pick a fight with you, so let me try to soften the blows by saying I'm not. I mean this totally constructively...

 

It seems like this isn't the first time you've mentioned blurring the lines between a "date" (personal) and an "appointment" (professional). I've read many posts here, usually from the clients point of view, about the extreme emotional danger of trying to cross over from a professional relationship to a genuine personal relationship. To summarize my recollection of all those posts, the prevailing advice is that if a client tries to make that transition, they should expect things to end badly, usually painfully, even if it works one in a million times. Don't you think that it's the same the other way too? Aren't you really setting yourself up to be hurt if you let down the wall between your professional and personal relationships?

 

If I were the guy that started out as a client and transitioned to a date, I think I'd be very sensitive about money coming back into the equation. Although I wouldn't hesitate to LEND any boyfriend fifty bucks now and then, I'd be very sensitive about it if it was someone that I'd originally met as an escort. It would hurt. It would lead me to question the very foundation of our relationship. And, if this wasn't someone that you really were interested in a relationship with, why on earth would you stop charging them?

 

Obviously, it was one of those give and take relationships...

[JoeyBryant]

OK, Joey, I'm afraid this is going to be interpreted as me trying to pick a fight with you, so let me try to soften the blows by saying I'm not. I mean this totally constructively...

 

It seems like this isn't the first time you've mentioned blurring the lines between a "date" (personal) and an "appointment" (professional). I've read many posts here, usually from the clients point of view, about the extreme emotional danger of trying to cross over from a professional relationship to a genuine personal relationship. To summarize my recollection of all those posts, the prevailing advice is that if a client tries to make that transition, they should expect things to end badly, usually painfully, even if it works one in a million times. Don't you think that it's the same the other way too? Aren't you really setting yourself up to be hurt if you let down the wall between your professional and personal relationships?

 

And, if this wasn't someone that you really were interested in a relationship with, why on earth would you stop charging them?

 

Okay, we have once again veered off topic, and crashed into a shallow ditch. Let's brings ourselves back on the road.

 

I was merely mentioning the topic because so and so mentioned his feeling like an ATM. Now, I don't know if the guys in his story really were treating him like that, or if subconsciously it seemed that way to him when nothing else (performance, attitude, etc.) had actually changed. I don't know, only jgoo can really say. This guy in my story was not a client. I did not turn him from professional to personal. Nor was it the other way around. He was not a guy I met from ads and it was not on a business term.

 

I do however find it a bit...I can't think of the word; about jgoo's observations about the escorts he hired a few times thinking of him as an ATM machine. Unless the escorts called jgoo and initiated sessions out the blue, or drove to his house and took money out his drawers...I think it's kind of rude to see them that way. Jgoo chose to call those escorts and give them money. You can't turn around and say, "oh, well he saw me as an ATM machine after a few times". That was the premise from the get go.

 

On the other hand, the guy I met above met in a awkward way and "found in love in a hopeless place, we found love in a hopeless place..."

 

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[jgoo]

The situations related to my ATM comment were with two different escorts. In one case, after a few meetings he would start calling/emailing me periodically to say we haven't seen each other and we should get together. Whether or not true, my feeling was that it happened whenever his business was slow and he felt he could always come to me. The other case, with a different escort I saw multiple times, was where the escort would talk an inordinate amount of time about his financial woes and high expenses. I felt he was always trying to get some extra payment or a large tip. Whether or not his intention was for more money or he was just venting about his situation, the point was how it made me feel.

 

I am fully aware that my meetings with escorts are based on a financial transaction but there is a line, probably different for everyone, at which point a client may feel someone is trying to take advantage of a situation. Again, I think that speaks to how difficult it must be for escorts to deal with certain situations as the intention of the escort may be totally different than what the client perceives. Hope that provides some context to my feeling like an ATM in those two cases.

[down_to_business]

Reminds me of an orlando escort I saw 1 time who emailed and texted me about a week after asking me to wire him $500 because his car broke down. Not only did I politley decline, it was enough to make me uncomfortable to ever hire him again.

 

As to your escort who called /emailed to see if you wanted to see him when his business was slow, I don't think I would have felt the same way as you about it (like an ATM), but I would definitely become uneasy about it if you had asked him to stop and he continued to contact you.

 

I agree with you about your other escort who wants to tell you how bad he has or how much he owes at every conversation. I saw a straight guy locally that used to do that, every time we met. In that case I also felt he saw me as an ATM. I don't see him any more either because of this.

 

I don't live in dreamland where I am unaware that escort meetings are financial transactions, but its nice not to have that thrown in my face or be reminded constantly throughout the appointment that it is all about the money.

[jjkrkwood]

I'd be interested to know How many times an escort has told a client "Forget the payment, this one is on Me ".. I'd venture to say NOT MANY !

[BostonPhil]

It's tax season. Retailers have the same problem, every year after Christmas consumer spending drops until mid-April when it usually starts to trend upward.

 

If you do decide to relocate try to make it to a more populated area. Sure there will be more competition but there are more potential clients. I really like being here in the NE cause I can pretty much travel the most populated corridor in the country in less than 6 hours. I also get a lot of conventions etc here and I get to meet a lot very cerebral people, makes for good conversation.

 

On the ATM comments, WTF? Are they your dentist? Was it time for your 6 month cleaning? That is completely inappropriate. The only clients I ever initiate contact with are regulars and only the ones that have specifically told me to keep in touch. But it is never about asking them for money or suggesting that they should make an appointment. It is things like happy birthday, or I know how much you like seeing the head in a pair of jeans and I have a story from the subway. Like if JJ were one of my regulars I might email him about the kid with the big bubble in tight board shorts that was backed up to my face while I was sitting on the train home last night. It was hot and after reading all your posts I really did think of you and how much you'd likely want munch on that. Then I had a good chuckle. ok off topic.

 

But to call or email or text suggesting a client book an appointment with me is just tacky! I'm a Lady.

[jjkrkwood]

It's tax season. Retailers have the same problem, every year after Christmas consumer spending drops until mid-April when it usually starts to trend upward.

 

If you do decide to relocate try to make it to a more populated area. Sure there will be more competition but there are more potential clients. I really like being here in the NE cause I can pretty much travel the most populated corridor in the country in less than 6 hours. I also get a lot of conventions etc here and I get to meet a lot very cerebral people, makes for good conversation.

 

On the ATM comments, WTF? Are they your dentist? Was it time for your 6 month cleaning? That is completely inappropriate. The only clients I ever initiate contact with are regulars and only the ones that have specifically told me to keep in touch. But it is never about asking them for money or suggesting that they should make an appointment. It is things like happy birthday, or I know how much you like seeing the head in a pair of jeans and I have a story from the subway. Like if JJ were one of my regulars I might email him about the kid with the big bubble in tight board shorts that was backed up to my face while I was sitting on the train home last night. It was hot and after reading all your posts I really did think of you and how much you'd likely want munch on that. Then I had a good chuckle. ok off topic.

 

But to call or email or text suggesting a client book an appointment with me is just tacky! I'm a Lady.

 

BostonPhil, how sweet and considerate of you to think of me on your off time, and at No charge to boot! I guess Christmas does come early...:o And yes, i would have enjoyed your story and visual. I am certainly all about bubbles, and definitely do enjoy providing a good "Power Munch". Please feel free to share your exploits with me anytime you wish. And if you find yourself stranded in NYC, you can regale me with stories over dinner at Taco Bell, my treat of course.

[BostonPhil]

I LOVE TACO BELL! But no, really, that ass was amazing! I will take you up on that when I schedule a quiet the city.

[Pegasus]

I have found two well-reviewed local escorts whose company I thoroughly enjoy and I typically alternate appointments between these two reliable men--hiring each about five or six sessions per year. In addition, I also occasionally hire a traveling escort who is visiting Dallas if (and only if) he's VERY well-reviewed and I am highly attracted to him. That's about all the "variety" I desire or can afford in my hiring. Good luck Joey.

[JoeyBryant]

I have found two well-reviewed local escorts whose company I thoroughly enjoy and I typically alternate appointments between these two reliable men--hiring each about five or six sessions per year. In addition, I also occasionally hire a traveling escort who is visiting Dallas if (and only if) he's VERY well-reviewed and I am highly attracted to him. That's about all the "variety" I desire or can afford in my hiring. Good luck Joey.

 

Oh okay..well if it works for you. As for Dallas, it does not work for me, anymore. I came there as a skinny kid with no reviews and semi-good photos and my 1st appointment bought me $220 for a mere 20 minutes. They don't spend that kind of money anymore, as far as I know. But then again, maybe it's time to go make another appearance, it's been a couple years. 2008 was a good year as there were less guys there, and met some great clients and still have 1 there.

 

Well, as of late things have seem to gotten back on track starting about last week. Comparing to what I've heard from a couple other guys in my area though, I guess I'm not doing too terribly. Perseverance and humility.

[+ Travis69]

Around December I found a new escort. Hired him 2 times in one week and once each week until January. Somewhat like a new Xmas present that I wanted to play with often. Then I saw him once a month for Jan., Feb, March. Haven't seen him at all this month. Kind of doubt I will. Everything runs it's cycle.

[JoeyBryant]

Around December I found a new escort. Hired him 2 times in one week and once each week until January. Somewhat like a new Xmas present that I wanted to play with often. Then I saw him once a month for Jan., Feb, March. Haven't seen him at all this month. Kind of doubt I will. Everything runs it's cycle.

 

I met a guy like that before. He'd see me like every week, sometimes twice a week and it went on for over a month. I was new back then, and I was wondering how the heck did he have so much to spend??? lol. I didn't question it though. Eventually, it too ran it's cycle.

 

My philosophy: When the time comes to eat, eat up! if it's coming in, don't worry about when it'll end. Like sometimes I'll be cautious about spending after a long appointment...but then I remember, eat!