Guys you meet (thru FRIENDS) that you think may be interested in hiring an escort...

[JoeyBryant]

I have an older guy friend of mine who happens to know a pair of seemingly wealthy guys who are single but used to be together for 10 years but just happen to only live together. Previously, I was invited by my friend to their home for a music party. Everyone there had to have been atleast twice my age. However, 1 of the guys seemed to be quite into me and we were chatting a bit and he was being flirty.

 

However, that evening I did not mention anything about my being an escort (although there were moments were I could have easily). There were a few reasons why, but I didn't want to do so. Fast forward, I was invited over for Easter. Now, I'd prior spoke to my friend about the possibility of mentioning I was an escort and asked whether it'd be okay to bring it up to one of the guys I think likes me. But he says, "just don't mention me in it, I don't want to get involved yadda yadda".

 

Well, long story short...there were some points I could have jumped in and said it, but couldn't. Even moreso, I forgot my friend told me the 2 were in fact not couples and only lived together and slept in separate beds. My friend further tells me (afterwards) that 1 of them had the best time of his life with an escort in NYC years ago. And I'm thinking to myself...well if I knew of this, I think it would have been a little more easier for me.

 

Later that night, I went out to meet friends at a bar. Now, I NEVER go to bars to find clients. So this was particularly difficult for me to approach. When I got there, my friend who is about my age had next to him a much older guy who was buying drinks for them. Then, that guy started like wanting to caress my chest hairs and touch me and what not. So, I decided that maybe he'd be open to 'a little more'. So, after some chatting, I pulled out my phone and showed him my ad with pictures (and he did NOT approach me in the way vice would, [he even said he thought he seen me on adam4adam but had me mixed up with someone else) and I also know the head of security and all security personnel at said bar] and asked if he was interested. He was interested. But then he says, "let me check how much I have."

 

He stuck around for a bit after that, but then ended up just disappearing (I'll be right back, he says). My friend is like, "where did he go?" I'm like, "I have no idea". I'm thinking to myself, "this is exactly why I couldn't 'do' the bar scene." I realize people aren't all quite looking to do that sort of thing. It's almost like a real life adam4adam.

 

Anyhow, that's a bit off topic, but in relation to the title...if you meet someone thru friends (I am in no way suggesting running up to random guys at supermarkets or anything so don't get it twisted), would perhaps showing your ad to them thru phone be a good way to do it? Or should you just maybe mention it first and gauge a reaction?

[JoeyBryant]

I wanted to add, another thing that can make it a bit challenging venturing outside of the main escort sites, is perhaps some of these guys may not have in mind to pay a certain rate, even if they would consider it. I find clients from men4rent and rentboy and related sites to be of a special class; not just financially...but they generally have a better idea of what rates go for.

 

Part of my concern too is the all-too often, world-famous $100 rate offer. It's a really popular number, and I can imagine some reluctance if people are not aware of the rates generally asked for on the escort sites.

[josephga]

I agree I think those outside of the know who never visit the escort sites have a clue about proper rates. I get clients sometimes thinking a 75.00 massage should be full service.

I had one of those last week. He was like isn't this full service? I'm like your kidding right? Don't you visit the escort sites? the going rate for that's around 200.00. He thought i was out of my mind and that no one would ever pay 200 for anyone. Then he told me how another masseur did all the extra stuff including tying him up. I'm like for free? he said well Joe it's not always about the money. I said for me it's only about the money lol he dropped it

[JoeyBryant]

I had one of those last week. He was like isn't this full service? I'm like your kidding right? Don't you visit the escort sites? the going rate for that's around 200.00. He thought i was out of my mind and that no one would ever pay 200 for anyone. Then he told me how another masseur did all the extra stuff including tying him up. I'm like for free? he said well Joe it's not always about the money. I said for me it's only about the money lol he dropped it

 

OK Joe, that's a bit off topic and deals with doing massages and rates LOL. However, as we spoke in private, that kind of stuff is why I have went ahead and took down all massage-related ads for the time being. And see...sites like massagem4m invite that kind of stuff. Just pay for massage...but everything else is 'consensual'. I wrote to Jimmy (owner of massagem4m) about that kind of stuff and that I wanted a refund from my last auto-rebill but he keeps ignoring my emails regarding it. He can't even provide me with an answer.

[+ Travis69]

I would leave it up to your friend who invited you as his guest. Ask him if he would mind you mentioning to anyone there. If he doesn't care then use your own best judgment. Someone, on another thread, was told his escort friend was NOT welcome in another couple's house. You never know how some people will react.

[josephga]

OK Joe, that's a bit off topic and deals with doing massages and rates LOL. However, as we spoke in private, that kind of stuff is why I have went ahead and took down all massage-related ads for the time being. And see...sites like massagem4m invite that kind of stuff. Just pay for massage...but everything else is 'consensual'. I wrote to Jimmy (owner of massagem4m) about that kind of stuff and that I wanted a refund from my last auto-rebill but he keeps ignoring my emails regarding it. He can't even provide me with an answer.

 

massagem4m still owes me a 50.00 referral i never got. They have ignored my emails regarding it

[JoeyBryant]

I would leave it up to your friend who invited you as his guest. Ask him if he would mind you mentioning to anyone there.

 

That's what I said in the above statement. He said he didn't mind. But, he didn't quite make it easy for me because he won't even say anything to them about it, so I have to figure out ways to bring up the subject. I'm like come on, you've known these people for 15 years and I've only met them twice for a couple hours or so each time. The least he could do is mention it to his friends (over the phone), and upon knowing that...they can either approach me about it on the next meeting or not. Then again, I know people don't generally make these things easy and I have to be in control of my own destiny.

 

It's like, I'm being invited over for to someone's home for dinner and trying to get money from people...its an awkward feeling. My friend did mention the guy who is into me is retired, which was another thing to consider as well.

 

At one point, my friend was leaving their home...effectively leaving me with these 4 older men in their house. As my friend was leaving it was him, me and the older guy who owns the house who likes me. At that point would have been PERFECT to bring up the topic. Later on I asked my friend if he'd be mad if I said something then. He was like, "yeah I would, because I don't want to get involved". What are you getting involved in????? That you may get framed for 'making me' tell them?

[+ Travis69]

It's not up to your friend to introduce you as an escort. It's up to him to decide if you, as his guest, should be discussing it. If he says it's ok then ask the person what they do for a living and most likely they will return the question and ask you what you do for a living.

[Juan Vancouver]

Hi Joey,

 

We all do things differently, so I think I would like to share the way I operate, as it offers an ostensibly different point of view.

 

The only way I take clients is when they contact me after having seen my ad, read my reviews or having gotten my name from a satisfied client. When a client contacts me in this way and if we are a good match, I will agree to meet him in my professional capacity and will focus all my energy and expertise to try to satisfy his needs. He looked for an escort, he found me, and I agreed to provide a service that he was requesting.

 

When I am out in a bar, in a sauna, at a rich man's party, in an orgy... you name it, I am in my personal capacity. I'm me. If I want to have sex or dinner or bondage with someone, I will. If I don't want to, I won't. Personally I would feel very uncomfortable luring someone to like me only then to disclose that I am an escort and that they can have me if they pay my rates. In that situation I would feel like a hustler, like I am fishing for business, and even worse, I would feel as if I am being disrespectful towards myself, my profession and my interlocutor. ("Sure you want me, but I don't want you; the only way you are going to get me is if you pay me.)

 

There is also the little detail that soliciting is illegal.

 

Most of the time whenever I am at a social situation I unequivocally disclose the fact that I am an escort. I don't do it with the purpose of advertising, but because this is what I do and I am proud of it. If someone asks me to hire me then I politely recommend him to visit whatever escorts listings he knows of and choose the guy of his choice. If it happens to be me, all the better. When I am not working I am not working. End of story. I find that this is the only way that is healthy for me; I can relax, engage in absolutely relaxed and unguarded conversation (or sexual activity) with whomever I am. I need to be able to fuck whoever I want to fuck, talk with whomever I want to talk and interact in whatever way I choose to, and leave the concentrated professional awareness to whenever I work. This doesn't mean that when I am working I am guarded or not myself, but when I am working my personal needs (the ones that I make sure to fulfill constantly in my free time) immediately go to the back burner so that I can fully focus on my client's.

 

Not to say that I don't do stuff to advertise or garner more work; of course I do! I have pictures taken and choose the ones I feel best depict me, I carefully choose to pay for advertisement in escorting sites, I do my work as best as I can hoping that people will recommend me or review me, (Even if getting reviewed by a Canadian is even harder than winning the lotto; we are private people, us Canucks.), and whenever I am working I bring my full.

 

I would not want to be "the escort" all the time. I love my work and if occurs to me that perhaps I do because I have incredibly clear boundaries between my personal life and my professional one.

 

This has until now worked for me like a charm, but I am very aware that this may not be the way for another escort.

 

As always, I wish you continued success and a fulfilling practice!

[seeker630]

That's what I said in the above statement. He said he didn't mind. But, he didn't quite make it easy for me because he won't even say anything to them about it, so I have to figure out ways to bring up the subject. I'm like come on, you've known these people for 15 years and I've only met them twice for a couple hours or so each time. The least he could do is mention it to his friends (over the phone), and upon knowing that...they can either approach me about it on the next meeting or not. Then again, I know people don't generally make these things easy and I have to be in control of my own destiny.

 

It's like, I'm being invited over for to someone's home for dinner and trying to get money from people...its an awkward feeling. My friend did mention the guy who is into me is retired, which was another thing to consider as well.

 

At one point, my friend was leaving their home...effectively leaving me with these 4 older men in their house. As my friend was leaving it was him, me and the older guy who owns the house who likes me. At that point would have been PERFECT to bring up the topic. Later on I asked my friend if he'd be mad if I said something then. He was like, "yeah I would, because I don't want to get involved". What are you getting involved in????? That you may get framed for 'making me' tell them?

 

It sounds to me like you were invited for purely social reasons, but you wanted to turn it into a business opportunity and you think your friend should have helped you to do that. If he didn't invite you in a 'professional' capacity, I don't think you should expect him to help you.

[bigvalboy]

I liked your answer Juan. it was very honest and candid. We actually have mutual friends that speak VERY highly of you. At any rate, a number of years ago I met an escort at a bar in LA called "The Numbers" it was a hustler bar for high end clients. I was much younger then and hooked up with a guy that I knew was a working boy. We went home and over the next couple of days we just had a great time. Money was not involved, it was just me and him having a great time together. There was a point when we laid in bed one morning and he said that he really liked me and wanted to take things to another level, but I had to understand completely what he did and I had to be OK with that or else we as a couple would not work. He gave me time to digest the information and in the end I realized that I just was unable to share him in that way. It was a hard breakup for me, as over the years we would run into each other from time to time, and I would hear through friends that he would ask about me. A few months ago I saw his ad in a LA website. I was glad that he was alright, but it made me very sad. Thinking about what might have been.

 

It must be very difficult for escorts to find partners. I can't imagine how you go about telling someone that you really like, all about your life. I was with an escort the other day and he began talking about his lover. They had come to an understanding and for them it worked, but for me I just couldn't deal with it. I wish all you guys the very best out there...I know it must be tough.

[Dave]

Juan, i liked your answer too. i feel that pretty much everything you wrote applies to me, too. and i do think that because of my (our) attitude and behaviour choices, it keeps us from burning out.

 

Bigvalboy, i can somehow relate to what you wrote. I have been on the other side of it - being up front with a new personal interest, and hoping that they would accept both me AND my work choice - and it hasnt always worked out due to their inability to accept the latter. i’m sorry that you had that love lost. really, what else should we call it?

 

Joey - your question is an interesting one, but i guess ultimately i feel the situation is too fraught with difficulty.

 

it’s enough of a challenge for me to keep some clients strictly as clients - i’ve had to control my own personal/stronger feelings for them - and then the money is still involved and... (whew, i am being very honest here!)

...and so the idea of taking someone i’ve met in a social situation and turning them into a client - where i will at some point clarify that if they want to be with me, they need to hire me - ugh, it gets very very convoluted. i dont think what you are saying is that you need to get business this way, but as a general rule i guess you should choose that you just WON’T get business this way. its too complicated.

 

sometimes even though something seems like it could work, you still should walk away from it because there are other factors in play.

 

if an escort does need more work, perhaps he should consider other advertising options.

yet as Juan wrote, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being proud and out about what you do as work. “sex work is work” and like anything else, the more people are out about it, the less it will be stigmatized. a typical american conversation involves asking someone pretty early on, “what do you do?” i tell as many people as i feel i can, given the situation. i’m not doing it to spread the word that i’m a man for hire (to drum up business); i’m doing it for other reasons.

 

the reactions are not what you’d necessarily think. a huge majority of the time, people are either interested, curious, or fascinated, and they have a multitude of questions. almost as often, they end up telling me that they have some connection to the business! they either know someone in it, or they have experience hiring, or were once in it themselves, or they’re currently working! i’d say honestly that perhaps 40% of the people i talk with about escorting end up telling me about their own connection to the industry.

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey Bigvalboy,

 

Thank you for your kind words. It's nice to know that someone is doing the kindness to say nice things about me. I really think that what makes it worthwhile to be alive is the people with whom you come together. Please thank them on my behalf.

 

I am sorry to read about your relationship with that escort; I am such a romantic at heart that I really think there is nothing worse than the promise of a love unfulfilled. I also believe that love keeps pushing always, and as long as we don't hinder it, it always has a way to find you. Here's to wishing that you both will soon be (or are) in great relationships with wonderful mates!

 

It must be very difficult for escorts to find partners. I can't imagine how you go about telling someone that you really like, all about your life. I was with an escort the other day and he began talking about his lover. They had come to an understanding and for them it worked, but for me I just couldn't deal with it. I wish all you guys the very best out there...I know it must be tough.

 

I have to say that in my personal case it has not been a problem at all. (And I know a few escorts for whom this has not been a problem either.) I am very proud of my work, very passionate about it, that when I talk about it with people that I am interested in, they only see the passion, the excitement, the immeasurable gift that it gives me, how it makes me a better person and enhances my life. Also, I need a very specific kind of partner; there are a few characteristics that my partner must have, so disclosing my profession only serves as a powerful filter to weed out people that are not a good match. I would not want to be in a romantic relationship with someone who deemed my work lowly, disgusting, wrong, etc.

 

Currently I am in a deliciously fulfilling relationship, and when we met, my partner was not an escort and had no connection with the profession. He, however, didn't even blink when I told him I was an escort. He was curious, and asked many questions, but there was absolutely no judgment in his voice. He just wanted to know more about who I am and what I do. A couple years after being together, fascinated by my stories and probably tempted by my deep satisfaction every time I came back from working, he decided to try it himself, thus bring Thor Maelstrom to existence.

 

I don't think it is hard for escorts to find partners. It is hard for people, all of us to find a good match, but precisely because of that, I believe it is our duty to be as honest and open as we can, so that we can weed out those who need someone else as a perfect partner, and locate and grab those with whom we are a perfect puzzle.

 

Love is always trying to find us. It is our job to let it in.

 

The reactions (after disclosing that I am an escort) are not what you’d necessarily think. a huge majority of the time, people are either interested, curious, or fascinated, and they have a multitude of questions. almost as often, they end up telling me that they have some connection to the business! they either know someone in it, or they have experience hiring, or were once in it themselves, or they’re currently working! i’d say honestly that perhaps 40% of the people i talk with about escorting end up telling me about their own connection to the industry.

 

Isn't it funny, Dave? Of those openminded enough to understand the nature of escorting, one half has been incredibly curious about it, wanting to be escorts, being curious about this world, and the other half has been an escort in one way or another. The more people I know, the more convinced I am that escorting is a very integral and important part of society.

 

Or... I just like it. Sue me! =)

 

Big hug to you, stud!

[Dave]

big hug to you back. or more.

[JoeyBryant]

Hi Joey,

 

In that situation I would feel like a hustler, like I am fishing for business, and even worse, I would feel as if I am being disrespectful towards myself, my profession and my interlocutor. ("Sure you want me, but I don't want you; the only way you are going to get me is if you pay me.)

 

There is also the little detail that soliciting is illegal.

 

Most of the time whenever I am at a social situation I unequivocally disclose the fact that I am an escort. I don't do it with the purpose of advertising, but because this is what I do and I am proud of it.

 

Well thanks, I suppose I take back my comment about your being Hemmingway and posts annoying. Perhaps I should have bought it to your attention about people suggesting I copy your posts, and then let you speak on your own about how you feel about someone copying your writing style.

 

Anyhow...the bolded part is EXACTLY why I do not generally like doing it in those settings. Even at bars, when guys who people 'think' would be your typical client, comes up to me offering to buy me drinks so I get so fucked up I just do something crazy like go home with them for free, NOT; I do not even solicit them. I have in the past...but 99% of the time it's a waste of.....................TIME! They aren't looking to pay. They are looking to buy some needy kid drinks and give him $20 for gas the next morning. Cheap hoes ya know? However the 2nd bolded part I'm not too sure about. I think a good majority of older 50s and 60s guys realize to an extent that...well, I'm not going to even say it because the hell-hounds may be ready to pounce and misconstrue a statement.

 

I used to disclose what I did in social situations, but no longer. This too is what I do and am proud of it, but I'm on the philosophy that some things aren't anyone's business. And if I do mention it, it's a means to an end.

 

It sounds to me like you were invited for purely social reasons, but you wanted to turn it into a business opportunity and you think your friend should have helped you to do that. If he didn't invite you in a 'professional' capacity, I don't think you should expect him to help you.

 

Let me tell you about this guy okay. He has double standards. Yes, he's my buddy and all...but he is also a drama queen, at nearly 50. Now, he can say he doesn't want to get involved or mention my being an escort to his friends. Yet, couple weeks ago he had no issue on 2 separate occasions intervening with perfect strangers and their drama. He's just all too happy to help them out.

[jackcali]

Hey, bigvalboy, I've got a crazy suggestion for you. Why don't you give this guy a call? It's clear that he still means a lot to you and that you apparently mean something to him. I'm not suggesting that you two start a great romance (though stranger things have happened), just re-establish the connection with him. i think you'll feel better about the whole situation, and my guess is he'll appreciate your effort to reach out to him. Again, don't expect anything more will come of it, but you're both in different places in your lives, so who knows?

[bigvalboy]

Hey, bigvalboy, I've got a crazy suggestion for you. Why don't you give this guy a call? It's clear that he still means a lot to you and that you apparently mean something to him. I'm not suggesting that you two start a great romance (though stranger things have happened), just re-establish the connection with him. i think you'll feel better about the whole situation, and my guess is he'll appreciate your effort to reach out to him. Again, don't expect anything more will come of it, but you're both in different places in your lives, so who knows?

 

Ya know Jack, that really is not a bad idea. We really are in different places in our lives. I am far less sensitive than I used to be. Sitting here at my computer this morning, your comment brought a smile to my face. He does still look damn hot, maybe I will give it a go....thanks for the thought!! Besides this hiring thing does get old, whether or not we want to admit it or not.... Best to you my friend, BVB

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey Stud,

 

I have to confess that after reading this chunk at few times:

 

Well thanks, I suppose I take back my comment about your being Hemmingway and posts annoying. Perhaps I should have bought it to your attention about people suggesting I copy your posts, and then let you speak on your own about how you feel about someone copying your writing style.

 

I am not really sure what you mean...

 

Sadly, I missed your post saying that I am Hemingway and that my posts are annoying. I do know that once I get on a roll I won't stop till I think I covered all bases. All I can say is that I hope you know I won't be offended if you just skip my posts without reading them. Life is short and it makes no sense to waste one's time reading drivel.

 

Now, if I am understanding correctly... are you saying that someone is suggesting that you are copying my posts? Maybe I am missing something, but judging by the posts that I have read from you, I think it is absolutely clear that we couldn't disagree more in a few issues. I can't imagine what could have made people think that our posts are similar. Remember, Joey, people love having their opinion and will say anything, if you let them. I don't think anyone in their right mind could say that you are either copying my opinions nor my style. I believe you and I couldn't be more different, not only as escorts but as human beings, individual and deliciously different, and I think it is that difference what makes our participation in this forum important and exciting. Please know that I respect you, I respect what you have to say, and your professional practice because it fills a very important niche in the market that I would not be able (nor interested) in filling. I am Juan, you are Joey, and there is an important need for both of us in the world.

 

If they want to say that you copy me or I copy Jane Austen, so be it. I like to think Ms. Austen would not approve nor agree with the way I speak about ass-porking and ass-fisting, the same way I have a very different way of looking at things from you. Let them talk, my man!

 

Please correct me if I misunderstood you, and if I didn't please accept my respects, and know I don't expect you in the future to read my posts if you don't want to.

 

Big hug, and my best wishes for your continued success!

[jjkrkwood]

Now, if I am understanding correctly... are you saying that someone is suggesting that you are copying my posts? Maybe I am missing something, but judging by the posts that I have read from you, I think it is absolutely clear that we couldn't disagree more in a few issues. I can't imagine what could have made people think that our posts are similar.

 

I think the implication was that BOTH of you typically write VERY lenghty posts, however THAT is where the similarity ends IMO....

[tom1980]

I don't know how anyone could think Joey copies Juan's posts or writing style. As jj said, length is the only similarity. In my humble opinion, one writes coherent, well-thought-out, and well-organized posts designed to provide a helpful and interesting perspective with a focus on others; the other's writing style is to ramble from topic to topic with little or no transition in lengthy posts occasionally providing thoughtful and somewhat insightful remarks (perhaps on those occasions there are more similarities, but even these posts are not usually written with a consistent theme or message like the other escorts almost always are) but more often focused on himself and filled with complaints about how others perpetually mistreat him. I appreciate the posts from both escorts for different reasons, and I learn from both of them. But I don't think one could possibly confuse their writing styles if one actually reads the content.

 

As for my critique of the writing styles above, before someone tells me not to read his writing if I don't like it, I'll let you know how I read messages on this forum. If I find a topic boring, I skip the thread. If I think a thread is interesting but lose interest while reading a specific message (whether because I find the message boring or the content tiresome or tedious), I skip the rest of that message and move onto the next post or thread. On occasion, when I've read entire messages that I think are poorly written or that I didn't ultimately enjoy reading, I've commented on those messages. I do so because I believe every user here is entitled to voice a respectful opinion. I don't understand posters who tell others not to read their writing on a message board where the purpose is to post messages so that they can be read by others. I make my decisions about what to read and whether to post on the basis of each individual post rather than assuming that I should read or ignore every post from a given user.

[JoeyBryant]

I don't know how anyone could think Joey copies Juan's posts or writing style. As jj said, length is the only similarity. In my humble opinion, one writes coherent, well-thought-out, and well-organized posts designed to provide a helpful and interesting perspective with a focus on others; the other's writing style is to ramble from topic to topic with little or no transition in lengthy posts occasionally providing thoughtful and somewhat insightful remarks (perhaps on those occasions there are more similarities, but even these posts are not usually written with a consistent theme or message like the other escorts almost always are) but more often focused on himself and filled with complaints about how others perpetually mistreat him.

 

Will you shut the fuck up and quit starting shit? Juan asked me a question, let me respond. Don't get my thread off topic with some trite B.S.

 

What I was suggesting, Juan...is that a couple of posters on more than one occasion asked me to mirror your posts. That you write so eloquently and that yours is the 'ideal' way of writing And I said I would not and that we both have our individual style and ways of viewing things. That's what I meant. In doing so, I wanted to get your take on said statement because I can't imagine you condoning anyone to mimic your thought processes.

[tom1980]

Joey -- I wasn't trying to start anything. No need to attack me, tell me to shut up, get defensive, or be disrespectful. You neglected to quote a very important part of my message:

 

I appreciate the posts from both escorts for different reasons, and I learn from both of them.

 

I don't think I was disrespectful toward you. Your message was confusing. Like Juan and jj, I thought you were saying people thought you copied Juan's style rather than people suggesting that you should. But this seems to be the way you operate. People try to offer you constructive criticism, and you attack them. You even attacked Juan simply because you claimed that others told you that you would do well to emulate him

(http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?86075-Men4rent-raises-rates-again-should-we/page2):

 

3rd of all...let me say I don't care about any Juan Vancouver. I'm really sick of people comparing me to him and then telling me I need to be like him. I don't give a fuck about no Juan Vancouver. Juan Vancouver hasn't been to the places I've been or seen the client's I've seen. Personally I find his posts annoying because every goddam answer has to be 2 pages long. Who wants to read all that shit? What is he, fucking Hemingway?

[JoeyBryant]

You even attacked Juan simply because you claimed that others told you that you would do well to emulate him

(http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?86075-Men4rent-raises-rates-again-should-we/page2):

 

Yes, and I told Juan I said it too:

 

 

 

Well thanks, I suppose I take back my comment about your being Hemmingway and posts annoying. Perhaps I should have bought it to your attention about people suggesting I copy your posts, and then let you speak on your own about how you feel about someone copying your writing style.

 

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Joey -- I wasn't trying to start anything. No need to attack me, tell me to shut up, get defensive, or be disrespectful. You neglected to quote a very important part of my message:

 

Well, you started bringing up unwarranted stuff about posts that you should not have bought up. "but more often focused on himself and filled with complaints about how others perpetually mistreat him." That's a crock of crap. I'm trying to get information about one topic, you want to backtrack and insult me in my own thread. Of course I'm going to talk smack.

[JoeyBryant]

So back to the subject:

 

I ran into the guy from the bar that was with my friend. I asked him, "so I guess you changed your mind about our plans the other night" He says, "well I seen you dancing with your friend (the one who introduced me to him (the client) to begin with) and thought you were into him. Then he goes on further to say, "I decided I was too drunk and also as time went by I lost my interest in wanting to pay for it".

 

I explained that I was in no way interested in my friend nor him me. That I attempted to get him to dance with me, and that he fully agreed that I would finish my drink and we would leave at a set time. He left prior to that time.

 

See...that's why I just don't have time for the nonsense and to even mess around in bars is not my style. Again, I was not going there to look for clients. I had no intentions of doing so. But, it just so happened to come about and I introduced myself. I've only done that now twice in the 12 months I've lived in the area. The first time, I had did it purposely to get this one guy who kept pestering me off my back.

 

Otherwise, it's a crock of crap and I hate dealing with it. I don't like all that, "I was in the moment then, but now I don't want to pay" nonsense. It's like well, if you're going to regret that you paid later on, I don't even want to deal with you. This dirt bag thought he was entitled to grope my nipples without even buying me a drink. In front of my friends, at the bar I am popular at. And just because he did buy me drink did not quite open up a chance of us even doing anything beyond just dancing.

 

Gawd, one has to kind of carefully weed thru the plethora of cheapskates throughout this town...

[tom1980]

What you view as an insult, I view as an honest assessment of your general writing style, which you put at issue in this thread. If I wanted to be insulting, I'd note my surprise that your messages to me tonight haven't included your oft repeated childish threat/promise to forever leave the forums. Despite your talking smack, I stand by my earlier comment: I learn from your posts and am glad your write messages here, even if I think you could present yourself in a (much) better light. Although I was not one who suggested you should be more like Juan, I think you could learn something about how to present yourself from looking at his posts (as well as those from other escorts who routinely receive compliments on this site).