A Weighty Issue

[jjkrkwood]

Again, you must re-read the "hearsay" definition. How do you define hearsay? I realize that you're trying to use lofty words, however, you must use them correctly. As far as support, I didn't need it. I related facts, and everyone is free to decide based on those facts. I don't require the support of others to verify my thoughts and opinions JJ. I never have.

 

Hearsay is shit YOU are saying that you attribute to others, but we are not hearing it from them. If these people had something positive to say that supported your claims, they should have made a public post, not a behind the scenes in the "closet" pvt post. Those kinds of messages are as believable as the Easter bunny. Is that "lofty" enuf for you CL ???? Now get back to your Websters sweetheart. I need to get ready for the sex club.....

[seeker630]

Actually I received 3 pm's that related the same experience. All referred to flakiness where overnights and travel were concerned. None referenced local hiring. Exactly what I reported in that thread. By the way, I thought that I educated you on the meaning of hearsay in that thread? I'm disappointed that you are still unable to comprehend it. Try re-reading the definition: unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge The direct knowledge was relayed to you through my testimony; overruled as usual. You may also want to take a look at the definition of "Opus" a literary work or composition, as a book.

 

What about your statements that he was bipolar, not seeing any clients, but did travel (according to a friend of yours - hearsay?)? You jumped to all sorts of conclusions based on very limited text exchanges.

 

Although you moderated your tone after your initial statements, I don't think anyone came out of that exchange looking very favorably.

[jimboivyo]

What about your statements that he was bipolar, not seeing any clients, but did travel (according to a friend of yours - hearsay?)? You jumped to all sorts of conclusions based on very limited text exchanges.

 

Although you moderated your tone after your initial statements, I don't think anyone came out of that exchange looking very favorably.

 

 

there was a lot of horseshit being thrown and none of it from the actual escort that was talked about.

 

it looks to me that assumption is MO with some folks. that ain't truth people. that's just speculation.

[Strafe13]

I should clarify that while I disapprove of BVB's potential hire refusing to do business with him because of race, that's not my main bone of contention (pardon the pun). Any escort should feel free to refuse any client's business, even if it seems irrational or borne of racist attitudes. What I have a real problem with is the escort's cowardice and how he put a client in such an embarassing and humiliating situation by having to be told directly by the escort that his race would disqualify him from being able to partake in the escort's services. If the escort were man enough to publicize that, the same way many do so concerning other limits (i.e., scat, blood, drugs, etc.) then black clients could avoid this escort and never be in a position to be offended and embarassed in this way. But doing so might cost the escort the business of some white clients who would not support such a, shall we say... business model, and I suspect that's the true reason why the escort would not publicize that he discriminates by race in his acceptance of clients. If he had the courage of his convictons, then I could at least respect a difference of opinion. But his calculated decision to attract as many white or non-black clients as possible, with total disregard for the inevitable humliation of unsuspecting black clients is what makes me think he's a total piece of crap (pardon my French). And that's why I think it's important that these escorts be revealed on the forum, to spare black clients such humiliation, and also to afford white and non-black clients the choice of spending their money with professionals who share their values on treating people in a certain manner.

[jjkrkwood]

I should clarify that while I disapprove of BVB's potential hire refusing to do business with him because of race, that's not my main bone of contention (pardon the pun). Any escort should feel free to refuse any client's business, even if it seems irrational or borne of racist attitudes. What I have a real problem with is the escort's cowardice and how he put a client in such an embarassing and humiliating situation by having to be told directly by the escort that his race would disqualify him from being able to partake in the escort's services. If the escort were man enough to publicize that, the same way many do so concerning other limits (i.e., scat, blood, drugs, etc.) then black clients could avoid this escort and never be in a position to be offended and embarassed in this way. But doing so might cost the escort the business of some white clients who would not support such a, shall we say... business model, and I suspect that's the true reason why the escort would not publicize that he discriminates by race in his acceptance of clients. If he had the courage of his convictons, then I could at least respect a difference of opinion. But his calculated decision to attract as many white or non-black clients as possible, with total disregard for the inevitable humliation of unsuspecting black clients is what makes me think he's a total piece of crap (pardon my French). And that's why I think it's important that these escorts be revealed on the forum, to spare black clients such humiliation, and also to afford white and non-black clients the choice of spending their money with professionals who share their values on treating people in a certain manner.

 

Strafe, we are ALL commenting on a one-sided story of an interchange between 2 people to which we were NOT a part. Kinda like we all did with the Sean Caden thread. We all have our opinions and beliefs which we belief are based in Truth. But I cannot pass judgement (eventhough NONE of us on this site JUDGE) on BVB's escort and his afiliation with Racism. For me, he's just a guy that doesnt enjoy sex with black men. We know nothing more... And what we DO know is that there are always 2 sides to EVERY story, and in THIS case we have heard BVB's and I tend to think it was overblown because perhaps the escort was "qualifying" him and simply put, BVB feels he is ABOVE that... My opinion only.....

[citylaw1]

Hearsay is shit YOU are saying that you attribute to others, but we are not hearing it from them. If these people had something positive to say that supported your claims, they should have made a public post, not a behind the scenes in the "closet" pvt post. Those kinds of messages are as believable as the Easter bunny. Is that "lofty" enuf for you CL ???? Now get back to your Websters sweetheart. I need to get ready for the sex club.....

 

Actually you said:

 

The only negatives were hearsay from YOU based on your interaction, and some story from an acquaintence of yours.

 

Hearsay from me is completely inaccurate.

[citylaw1]

I should clarify that while I disapprove of BVB's potential hire refusing to do business with him because of race, that's not my main bone of contention (pardon the pun). Any escort should feel free to refuse any client's business, even if it seems irrational or borne of racist attitudes. What I have a real problem with is the escort's cowardice and how he put a client in such an embarassing and humiliating situation by having to be told directly by the escort that his race would disqualify him from being able to partake in the escort's services. If the escort were man enough to publicize that, the same way many do so concerning other limits (i.e., scat, blood, drugs, etc.) then black clients could avoid this escort and never be in a position to be offended and embarassed in this way. But doing so might cost the escort the business of some white clients who would not support such a, shall we say... business model, and I suspect that's the true reason why the escort would not publicize that he discriminates by race in his acceptance of clients. If he had the courage of his convictons, then I could at least respect a difference of opinion. But his calculated decision to attract as many white or non-black clients as possible, with total disregard for the inevitable humliation of unsuspecting black clients is what makes me think he's a total piece of crap (pardon my French). And that's why I think it's important that these escorts be revealed on the forum, to spare black clients such humiliation, and also to afford white and non-black clients the choice of spending their money with professionals who share their values on treating people in a certain manner.

 

I agree with everything you said here 100%.

[citylaw1]

Strafe, we are ALL commenting on a one-sided story of an interchange between 2 people to which we were NOT a part. Kinda like we all did with the Sean Caden thread. We all have our opinions and beliefs which we belief are based in Truth. But I cannot pass judgement (eventhough NONE of us on this site JUDGE) on BVB's escort and his afiliation with Racism. For me, he's just a guy that doesnt enjoy sex with black men. We know nothing more... And what we DO know is that there are always 2 sides to EVERY story, and in THIS case we have heard BVB's and I tend to think it was overblown because perhaps the escort was "qualifying" him and simply put, BVB feels he is ABOVE that... My opinion only.....

 

Since you vehemently disagree with one sided commentary with such regularity, why do you post on EVERY thought, comment and opinion typed on this board? The forum will always be a one sided event. Perhaps you should stop participating?

[citylaw1]

What about your statements that he was bipolar, not seeing any clients, but did travel (according to a friend of yours - hearsay?)? You jumped to all sorts of conclusions based on very limited text exchanges.

 

Although you moderated your tone after your initial statements, I don't think anyone came out of that exchange looking very favorably.

 

I stated that Sean informed me that he was in a relationship. I naturally assumed that travel and local hiring would be affected when Sean declined a meeting for that very reason. Had he stated that he isn't comfortable traveling, that would have been the end of it.

 

What would you have taken from the exchange? If you texted an escort asking him to travel to you, and he responded 1. Maybe, what are the details? 2. How much? 3. I'm seeing someone. Would you have left this exchange with a favorable opinion of Sean?

[citylaw1]

there was a lot of horseshit being thrown and none of it from the actual escort that was talked about.

 

it looks to me that assumption is MO with some folks. that ain't truth people. that's just speculation.

 

Actually there was a lot learned from that thread. We heard from clients of Sean, we were provided with a link to his video interview (where we saw him, heard him speak, and watched him answer questions) and we learned that he doesn't travel.

[citylaw1]

Hearsay is shit YOU are saying that you attribute to others, but we are not hearing it from them. If these people had something positive to say that supported your claims, they should have made a public post, not a behind the scenes in the "closet" pvt post. Those kinds of messages are as believable as the Easter bunny. Is that "lofty" enuf for you CL ???? Now get back to your Websters sweetheart. I need to get ready for the sex club.....

 

You are correct, partly, in that my revealing pm's from others is hearsay. In this context (online forum) hearsay would be acceptable for many reasons. Hearsay is read into the record with regularity where online forums are concerned.

 

Whether or not people choose to post is up to them. Whether or not people choose to believe me when I refer to pm's is up to them. I have never posted of or reviewed an escort unfavorably in my years here. That might be worth something to some?

[jjkrkwood]

Since you vehemently disagree with one sided commentary with such regularity, why do you post on EVERY thought, comment and opinion typed on this board? The forum will always be a one sided event. Perhaps you should stop participating?

 

Your comments are wrought with exaggeration city.... I post on EVERY thought? there are 100's of posts on this forum. I doubt i post to even 10% of them. But funny, whenever I post, you are right behind me.... And I dont see much agreement from you on many issues, because you always seem to know better , or More than anyone else and your opinion IS the one that matters..... Maybe you should start your OWN site ?

 

And stop pulling my fucking hair ! I aint your sister.....and will smack the shit outta you

[seeker630]

I stated that Sean informed me that he was in a relationship. I naturally assumed that travel and local hiring would be affected when Sean declined a meeting for that very reason. Had he stated that he isn't comfortable traveling, that would have been the end of it.

 

What would you have taken from the exchange? If you texted an escort asking him to travel to you, and he responded 1. Maybe, what are the details? 2. How much? 3. I'm seeing someone. Would you have left this exchange with a favorable opinion of Sean?

 

Citylaw, I don't want to re-start that whole discussion - but did want to point out that not every statement you made was based on fact or first-hand knowledge, as you implied. You referred to Sean as a 'traveling escort'. for example, in one of your posts, and when I pointed out that his ad made no mention of travel, your response was that a friend had told you that he traveled.

 

My opinion of Sean (which is irrelevant, really) is probably not as favorable as you think, but I was willing to cut him more slack than you were.

[citylaw1]

Citylaw, I don't want to re-start that whole discussion - but did want to point out that not every statement you made was based on fact or first-hand knowledge, as you implied. You referred to Sean as a 'traveling escort'. for example, in one of your posts, and when I pointed out that his ad made no mention of travel, your response was that a friend had told you that he traveled.

 

My opinion of Sean (which is irrelevant, really) is probably not as favorable as you think, but I was willing to cut him more slack than you were.

 

He is an escort that agreed to travel based on rate, and then changed his tune based on a "relationship." He should dissuade people from the start, or mention in his ad that he does not travel.

[citylaw1]

Your comments are wrought with exaggeration city.... I post on EVERY thought? there are 100's of posts on this forum. I doubt i post to even 10% of them. But funny, whenever I post, you are right behind me.... And I dont see much agreement from you on many issues, because you always seem to know better , or More than anyone else and your opinion IS the one that matters..... Maybe you should start your OWN site ?

 

And stop pulling my fucking hair ! I aint your sister.....and will smack the shit outta you

 

If you were able to read on a more advance level, you would notice that my first post here was "agreeing" with you.

[unsub2O17]

Is dueling illegal in New York? Just asking.

[jjkrkwood]

Is dueling illegal in New York? Just asking.

 

YUP, and so is Murder !

[jjkrkwood]

If you were able to read on a more advance level, you would notice that my first post here was "agreeing" with you.

 

Please DONT ever agree with me..... That would make me a "douche" too !

[citylaw1]

That would make me a "douche" too !

 

You do a fine job on your own.

[seeker630]

He is an escort that agreed to travel based on rate, and then changed his tune based on a "relationship." He should dissuade people from the start, or mention in his ad that he does not travel.

 

Sorry - where & when did he agree to travel? His response to your initial offer was "maybe, what are the details". No mention of travel in his ad.

 

He declined your offer of cross country travel - that's the only fact. Whether he would travel on a more limited basis - unknown.

[jjkrkwood]

You do a fine job on your own.

 

Hardly, just an FYI, ALL the pm's I receive are about YOU, and it ain't Pretty ! (hearsay perhaps ?)

[Strafe13]

Strafe, we are ALL commenting on a one-sided story of an interchange between 2 people to which we were NOT a part. Kinda like we all did with the Sean Caden thread. We all have our opinions and beliefs which we belief are based in Truth. But I cannot pass judgement (eventhough NONE of us on this site JUDGE) on BVB's escort and his afiliation with Racism. For me, he's just a guy that doesnt enjoy sex with black men. We know nothing more... And what we DO know is that there are always 2 sides to EVERY story, and in THIS case we have heard BVB's and I tend to think it was overblown because perhaps the escort was "qualifying" him and simply put, BVB feels he is ABOVE that... My opinion only.....

 

JJ, your excuse making here makes no sense because the entire forum and review site is people presenting their version of events that the rest of us obviously were not present to witness for ourselves. Yet we use this site as the incredible resource that it is because we are able to take the reviews/comments with a grain of salt and decide for ourselves what's more likely true and make our hiring decisions accordingly. That you don't believe BVB is one thing, but this is about more than choosing who to have sex with. I also notice you didn't even comment on the escort's cowardice in refusing to make his discriminatory preferences public. Although you claim we don't know the other side of the sorry, you implicitly accepted BVB's version that the escort refused him due to race when you claimed that for you this is just about someone who doesn't enjoy sex with black men. If there's nothing wrong with that, and it definitely affects ones business practices, then why not say so in his ad, so as to avoid potentially embarrassing interactions with unsuspecting black clients? I think it's because he's afraid that many white or other non-black clients won't appreciate that and may refuse to hire him. Hence, he does not have the courage of his convictions.

[jjkrkwood]

JJ, your excuse making here makes no sense because the entire forum and review site is people presenting their version of events that the rest of us obviously were not present to witness for ourselves. Yet we use this site as the incredible resource that it is because we are able to take the reviews/comments with a grain of salt and decide for ourselves what's more likely true and make our hiring decisions accordingly. That you don't believe BVB is one thing, but this is about more than choosing who to have sex with. I also notice you didn't even comment on the escort's cowardice in refusing to make his discriminatory preferences public. Although you claim we don't know the other side of the sorry, you implicitly accepted BVB's version that the escort refused him due to race when you claimed that for you this is just about someone who doesn't enjoy sex with black men. If there's nothing wrong with that, and it definitely affects ones business practices, then why not say so in his ad, so as to avoid potentially embarrassing interactions with unsuspecting black clients? I think it's because he's afraid that many white or other non-black clients won't appreciate that and may refuse to hire him. Hence, he does not have the courage of his convictions.

 

Because he "chooses" not to. Who are WE to determine how a person should behave ? We dont have to agree, but still we have no right to dictate behavior. Too many on this site have a God complex and feel they have the right to tell others how to act. We dont ! Its more harmfull to label a person a racist for behavior we dont agree with in the guise that BVB's post was an offering of Help to others. It certainly didnt help the escort. Where are HIS rights ? Did he forfeit them when he behaved in a way you didnt agree with ? Whether you are admitting it or not, YOU are weighing in here with YOUR opinion, as I did with mine. And you seem to be telling me that YOU are right and I am wrong... At least thats how it comes off.... and since the escort is not here to defend himself, we should just leave it at that.

[Guy Fawkes]

Yawn...

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[Boner]

I've stopped posting for similiar reasons.

 

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