A Weighty Issue

[+ Socalguy]

Welcome Socalguy. This may be a first, a poster on this site who has been to a Palm Springs fete before posting on the site. I am jealous. I look forward to your future posts.

Thanks! for my husband and I, it was a lucky coincidence as we go to Palm Springs frequently and love staying at Helios. This trip had to be one of our best yet There's a definite advantage to living only a couple of hours away.

[RockHard]

The only elephant in the room is when someone doesn't know how to accept the word: "no."

 

Well, actually, the elephant I had in mind was the fact that no fat person should be surprised when men who work hard to take care of their bodies can't get sexually turned on by out-of-shape flabby masses. Here we are on an escort board and no one, not one member is asking to see more of Jake Cruise types. In fact, just start a thread about Jake Cruise's looks and see what members say. And he doesn't even reach 300 pounds. So, if you look anything like Jake Cruise, one has to ask himself, why would hot guys want to have sex with me when I don't even want to have sex with me?

 

Now the truth is, escorts know a large percentage of customers are overweight, average-looking, bald men. Large, average-looking, bald guys are in the customer game by default. Some escorts don't care about superficial details and enjoy pleasing all types of customers. The key is to find the right escort.

 

Just remember, it's never sexy to show shame or insecurity. Acceptance and confidence will always win the day, even if you don't reach climax. If you wish to be thinner, don't mope, whine, and make excuses about it. Instead, be pro-active and do something about it.

 

I don't imagine them as Leo Giamani

 

Giamani represented an archetype.

 

at least 90% of the clients who have contacted me and sent pics have never come to pass. They tend to be flakes. They tend to be liars who have contacted me under previous email accounts. They tend to send me pics and then are like: "now it's YOUR turn."

 

Can't speak to your personal market research. All I can say is, I'm no flake. I'm no liar. I should also add I send a link to a profile with pictures. I don't actually email photos.

 

because almost every potential client who contacts me uses the word "discreet" at some point in their communication

 

Discretion is a big deal for me. But a smart, creative guy knows how to play a fun game and be discreet. I've had photos on web profiles for well over a decade. No one will ever recognize me on the street from one of my web pics.

 

Clients who deviate too far from the norm are almost always bad.

 

Maybe. Since the business is not legal, maybe the "norm" never changes. I tend to doubt that, though, given the extent to which escorting (and porn) dominates the internet.

 

it seems like a tactic that might be used in a sting operation in order to gain someone's trust.

 

Possibly. However, I've never heard a law enforcement person say they use this tactic. I see legal issues.

 

I've never understood why someone asks me for another picture

 

I don't get the pic collector mentality. It seems to be pervasive on Craigslist. I can't remember the last time I was able to get erect looking at pictures, and I've never gotten hard viewing profile photos on Rentboy. I can see why pic collectors could be annoying.

 

On the other hand, I am an ass man. And some escorts tend to focus too much on cock. Since cock doesn't do as much for me, I will ask if another pic exists. Sometimes I get lucky, other times not. You don't know if you don't ask, and my wallet appreciates the gesture either way.

 

I've had guys email me pics when requesting massage it's a automatic no appointment.

 

How unfortunate to lose me as a potential client. I'm quite a customer catch and good for paying a few important bills. Oh well.

 

I can't recall a sensual massage therapist who didn't thank me for providing a link to my photos and my profile. In fact, I've had several requests to do certain things to my body parts, and that always turned out to be fun. A sexy photo and some clever writing can reveal a lot of personality. These typically are not talents of law enforcement, and smart service providers tend to know this.

[tom1980]

Rockhard -- Out of curiosity, what legal issues do you see with the police sending one or more pics as part of a sting operation? This question is mainly academic curiosity on my part, not trying to argue with you. I don't practice criminal law and it's been several years since I studied criminal law for the bar exam (and even longer since I actually took criminal law in law school). Do you think that sending pics sets up an entrapment defense for the escort?

[jjkrkwood]

Well, actually, the elephant I had in mind was the fact that no fat person should be surprised when men who work hard to take care of their bodies can't get sexually turned on by out-of-shape flabby masses. Here we are on an escort board and no one, not one member is asking to see more of Jake Cruise types. In fact, just start a thread about Jake Cruise's looks and see what members say. And he doesn't even reach 300 pounds. So, if you look anything like Jake Cruise, one has to ask himself, why would hot guys want to have sex with me when I don't even want to have sex with me?

 

Now the truth is, escorts know a large percentage of customers are overweight, average-looking, bald men. Large, average-looking, bald guys are in the customer game by default. Some escorts don't care about superficial details and enjoy pleasing all types of customers. The key is to find the right escort.

 

Just remember, it's never sexy to show shame or insecurity. Acceptance and confidence will always win the day, even if you don't reach climax. If you wish to be thinner, don't mope, whine, and make excuses about it. Instead, be pro-active and do something about it.

 

 

What a contradiction this post is. How would a person NOT feel ashamed or insecure after receiving a "put-down" about his physicality such as the one described in this Post.

 

Even if things such as "flabby masses" are not said to the face, your feelings will obviously be conveyed in facial expressions and body language.

 

I am not exactly sure why the poster consistently feels a need to put others down. They are well aware of their flaws and shortcomings, and dont need someone rubbing it back in their face. Regardless of your personal feelings, this is certainly NOT a sign of human decency. However, people that have a God-like impression of themeselves often display a superior attitude. So be it... From my experience, any person that has a need to keep reminding you how special, how Hot, how much beter than you they are, USUALLY ARENT. They are just trying to convince THEMSELVES.

[maxwellissmart]

I get the feeling Jake Cruise could get laid anytime he so chose, and for free.

[Phil_musc]

I think you might be right, Maxwell. I've seen Jake in some of his videos and while he may not be the "hot-older-male" of, say, Jake Mitchell, he's not a fat old guy with grey hair - he's thinner than most of his age peers, I'd say. Older, yes, grey, yes, but obese - no.

[Steven_Draker]

Some escorts do have a problem with weight, age, race, etc. Some will tell you and some won't.

 

I have no problem with age/weight/race/size. I know that I can share a very intimate moment with someone who is overweight or 75 yo, and I know that it won't be an issue. I always said that positive attitude and chemistry are more important to me.

 

Not many people lining up to hire guys over 40 either.

 

I still have four years until I hit 40, but today I'm busier as an escort than when I was 25.

 

I know of two successful escorts who are 50 and still in the business ... not that I'm planning to last that long.

[josephga]

there's a guy here in Atlanta close to if not 60 that escorts

[jjkrkwood]

there's a guy here in Atlanta close to if not 60 that escorts

 

What does he charge ? Metameucil and Viagra are expensive ! I am 60 and cant imagine having to perform on cue.... GOD BLESS HIM !

[RockHard]

I get the feeling Jake Cruise could get laid anytime he so chose, and for free.

 

Charm, brains, and the art of seduction are priceless. History offers plenty of examples of uber-seducers who weren't very attractive.

 

The friend who first introduced me to the world of escorts was not text-book handsome, and he had a XL barrel shape with absolutely no waistline. But escorts loved him. Yes, he had a lot of money, and he was extremely generous (he taught me everything I know about generosity). But he also had the most incredible personality and a sense of humor that rocked any gathering. Unfortunately, he died of AIDS.

 

I have no problem with age/weight/race/size.

 

Attitude is everything and, thankfully, some escorts come with a great attitude. This is why reputation is important. Some clients can seduce with a great attitude, too.

 

It's no secret, money can be a terrific motivator. And I see nothing wrong with that. If you're 400 pounds with almost no hair and have a face only your mother can love, and you're happy with all that, all you need is a few hundred bucks, and you can have a playful, sexy roll in the sack with a hot guy. Just be realistic and don't expect the escort to fall in love with you.

 

what legal issues do you see with the police sending one or more pics as part of a sting operation?

 

All photographs are copyrighted material, regardless of what appears in them, and copyright laws come into play when using photos without permission. Copyright litigation can be very expensive, and I don't think most cities have the money to spend on a complicated area of the law, a work product that can easily become litigious.

 

I suppose there are workarounds, as in police departments can produce their own photos. Then it comes down to who shoots the photos? Who poses? What is permitted in the workplace? And who would be willing to sign a contract barring employees from legal action if the photos ended up being used for other purposes? I see all kinds of legal issues regarding law enforcement trying to become a photo producer, before we even discuss entrapment suits.

 

not trying to argue with you

 

Why would you write that? Whatever makes you think I would assume you were trying to start an argument with me?

[jjkrkwood]

I definitely feel attitude is of utmost importance and can be extremely important to a sexual encounter and experience. However, I also feel physical attraction is a MORE important contributor. Its generally the FIRST thing you notice, and the thing that will get you a physical response to the visual. I wont believe anyone that tells me its nOT a physical attraction that first gets their attention. But while talking about personality, the biggest turnoff is a person who will continually demonstarte a "superior" attitude to another, to the point of putting the other person down or dismissing them and THEIR qualities. Thats NOT confidence, and no matter how attractive you might THINK you are, thats vERY ugly...

[+ FreshFluff]

Charm, brains, and the art of seduction are priceless. History offers plenty of examples of uber-seducers who weren't very attractive.

 

Yeah, that X factor is key. A number of people are currently making a great living trying to teach that X factor--often with limited success-- to straight men. Women are supposed to come factory equipped with it, but some of us don't.

[unsub2O17]

For most of my life I was very heavy (about twice my ideal weight). About 5 years ago I succeeded in losing all my excess weight, in fact I'm now quite scrawny. How I did it is for another thread. What I'd like to add here is that I noticed a marked increase in my sex drive as the weight came off. It certainly could have been due to increased body image. But it also could have been related to the changing estrogen/testosterone ratio. Fat makes estrogen. As the amount of fat decreases, it only makes sense that testosterone would have a larger impact. Something did it for me!

[jjkrkwood]

Yeah, that X factor is key. A number of people are currently making a great living trying to teach that X factor--often with limited success-- to straight men. Women are supposed to come factory equipped with it, but some of us don't.

 

Hey Fluff, I think what you call The X Factor really translates into either a "juicy pussy, big tits or Big cock" ???

[maxwellissmart]

Sometimes, I think a client might just be awkward and NOT know what to say, and they just says something stupid as an ice breaker. Little does he know that instead his comments are an "ice maker".... Usually these are "newbies", and their awkwardness will go away with time and experience. If not, they are just jerk-offs that just want to PLAY around online cause they have nuthin better to do...

 

What I didn't put was that the guy told me he was looking around at profiles trying to find the "best price." That's an automatic deal-breaker for me—this isn't Priceline.

 

Actually, let me rephrase that. I understand that a client has the right to contact any number of escorts to try to find a balance between features and price—that's to be expected. What I'm not really interested in is someone who contacts me, tells me they have no idea of how they found me, wants me to send them pics, etc, and even when I send them the link to my profile—claims they need me to send them more info. That indicates that the guy is a time-waster to me.

 

The final statement of "I've contacted 10 guys and I'm trying to find the best price for next week" was the final statement which was the deal-breaker—I don't want to imply that someone doesn't have the right to shop around, because they do.

[+ FreshFluff]

Hey Fluff, I think what you call The X Factor really translates into either a "juicy pussy, big tits or Big cock" ???

 

I wish it were so simple. Those things are important, to be sure. But there's that ability to make the person (or guy, at least) feel good that carries as much or more weight. If you don't believe me, check out some of the wives/girlfriends of CEOs of today's hot companies.

 

As far as big cocks, men care, but many women could care less. But part of the X factor is making the guy feel good about what he's got without sounding fake.

[josephga]

I get those best price calls too. I think allot of guys don't even read anything they just look at a persons pics then calls or emails. I get what do you charge? what kind of massages do you offer? are you certified. All 3 questions answered in every ad out there. one guy booked then 5 minutes later calls says sorry job just called. then next books doesn't show. day 3 text me tells me he is nervous. asks if he can come over hangout nakked lol and if he feels comfortable he might buy a massage.. I'm like man move on. this is for paying customers.

[maxwellissmart]

I get those best price calls too. I think allot of guys don't even read anything they just look at a persons pics then calls or emails. I get what do you charge? what kind of massages do you offer? are you certified. All 3 questions answered in every ad out there. one guy booked then 5 minutes later calls says sorry job just called. then next books doesn't show. day 3 text me tells me he is nervous. asks if he can come over hangout nakked lol and if he feels comfortable he might buy a massage.. I'm like man move on. this is for paying customers.

 

I've determined that "may" and "might" are usually two of the worst words you can say to an escort.

 

I don't care that you "might" be coming to town, or that you "might" be looking, or that you "may" want to get together. Let me know when you know for sure.

[jjkrkwood]

What I didn't put was that the guy told me he was looking around at profiles trying to find the "best price." That's an automatic deal-breaker for me—this isn't Priceline.

 

Actually, let me rephrase that. I understand that a client has the right to contact any number of escorts to try to find a balance between features and price—that's to be expected. What I'm not really interested in is someone who contacts me, tells me they have no idea of how they found me, wants me to send them pics, etc, and even when I send them the link to my profile—claims they need me to send them more info. That indicates that the guy is a time-waster to me.

 

The final statement of "I've contacted 10 guys and I'm trying to find the best price for next week" was the final statement which was the deal-breaker—I don't want to imply that someone doesn't have the right to shop around, because they do.

 

You mean you're NOT the Travelocity gnome ???? Bet you're just as cute !

[jjkrkwood]

I wish it were so simple. Those things are important, to be sure. But there's that ability to make the person (or guy, at least) feel good that carries as much or more weight. If you don't believe me, check out some of the wives/girlfriends of CEOs of today's hot companies.

 

As far as big cocks, men care, but many women could care less. But part of the X factor is making the guy feel good about what he's got without sounding fake.

 

Men are gullible. All you have to do is coo "oooh baby, you have the biggest cock I ever saw" and they will be eatting out of your hand...

[maxwellissmart]

Men are gullible. All you have to do is coo "oooh baby, you have the biggest cock I ever saw" and they will be eatting out of your hand...

 

Don't forget letting a man cum in your hair. If you don't let a man cum in your hair—he won't love you. Ever.

 

And it needs to be fresh from the salon.

[josephga]

these guys that say let me call you back, or let me check my schedule rarely book either. imo you have said something they didn't want to hear and they just don't have the balls to say thanks for the info but you are just not for me

[maxwellissmart]

these guys that say let me call you back, or let me check my schedule rarely book either. imo you have said something they didn't want to hear and they just don't have the balls to say thanks for the info but you are just not for me

 

Apparently the guy who just contacted me falls into that category. He wanted an overnight and was all like: oh, I know it's going to be magic blah blah blah, do you want pictures of me, and I suggested that we meet for an hour first to make sure I'm what he's looking for in an overnight... oh no no no no no, that's completely unnecessary since I know we'll get along like long-lost lovers, by the way—how much?

 

(insert sound of crickets after I sent him the rate)

 

So much for that.

[corndog]

In slight defense of those who ask for prices even though it's in your ad: I've noticed that a lot of people who advertise on multiple sites show different prices in different places. And, it is clear that many providers never review their ads and they contain old, outdated information. So, I think that some of us may want to verify current rates to make sure that what we've read is current.

 

I think the conversation in this thread has shown that for every tell-tale sign that someone is just a time waster, there is someone else who legitimately behaves that way and could be a good client.

[GuntherCory]

Apparently the guy who just contacted me falls into that category. He wanted an overnight and was all like: oh, I know it's going to be magic blah blah blah, do you want pictures of me, and I suggested that we meet for an hour first to make sure I'm what he's looking for in an overnight... oh no no no no no, that's completely unnecessary since I know we'll get along like long-lost lovers, by the way—how much?

 

(insert sound of crickets after I sent him the rate)

 

So much for that.

 

Actually, this makes me wonder: since I'm almost definitely going to want an escort who provides longer sessions, rather than just an hour or so, what could I reasonably expect to pay for an overnighter? I'm not cheap, just curious. If an escort's regular hourly rate is, say, $250.00, would an overnight session of eight hours be 8 x $250.00 = $2000.00? Or would it be more likely for an escort to offer a discount for more than a certain number of hours?

 

I'm off to investigate!