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[bigvalboy]

And FYI, we are ALL "working boys"

 

Not ALL of us......

[jjkrkwood]

Not ALL of us......

 

Some people Work to earn a living, while others work to stay "relevant". Like I said, we are ALL working boys....

[bigvalboy]

Like I said, we are ALL working boys...

 

Like I said...not ALL of us are working boys.

[jjkrkwood]

Like I said...not ALL of us are working boys.

 

Then take off your leg warmers and sweat band and Calm down......

[bigvalboy]

Then take off your leg warmers and sweat band and Calm down......

 

 

Whoah....

[bigvalboy]

Mmmm, I just noticed BigValBoy's location, "Where the boys are".

 

It appears to me that leg warmers is the last thing he needs if he's surrounded by hot hot hot boys. No need for a sweat band either as having sex is one of the best calorie burners around. You want him to calm down? LOL, I don't think that anyone would want to calm down when there are only exciting boys around. They may rather do the opposite ...

 

Have fun with the boys everybody!

 

Anton.

 

Thank you for that Anton.... Welcome to the States...is Dallas home for you from now on? If not, maybe a trip to sunny SoCal is in the works, or I will be in Fort Lauderdale by summers end.. What are your travel plans? I will be heading over the "Pond" late this year, if you are heading back! I am running out the door, feel free to pm me and I will talk to you later today. Be well, BVB

[JoeyBryant]

ask an escort is turning into complaints only board.

 

what it's really doing is just outing the true colors of those who I had a feeling about already. a smart working guy would never come to this board to vent. too many eyes. too much lost revenue for some.

 

Oh please. That's your own insecurities and paranoia getting the best of you. I have clients who mention about reading my blog and nowhere were they put off by what I've said. In fact, in some cases clients have gotten a better understanding thru those type of posts.

 

I don't know why some people think that every client that ever thinks about hiring us feels that all eyes are on this message board? Hell...if people call and don't recall my rates or don't look at reviews, how much more can they be paying attention to the forum? (not to imply clients are stupid...but many just don't want to get involved with all the politics of escorting: reviews, forums, etc.).

 

Til this day, of all the clients I've met over 4 years...I've only had the pleasure of meeting 1 who mentioned anything about the forum. I don't hear, "you know the post you wrote the other day? I didn't agree with it." as much as "what time works best for you?" and "when are you in town?"

 

I know a few great escorts and none of them have ever complained to me. It's not professional and it brings me down. Every business has it's down falls.. there's no free lunch. I'm with you, JJ, "suck it up".

 

Any escort worth their weight in salt wouldn't complain to a client directly in person. That's just common sense. What we don't know is what they talk about away from your appointment. Not necessarily about you, but maybe something that happened before. And if they don't vent...More power to them if they rather bottle it all in. Maybe they have a boyfriend who they can vent to. I sure as hell don't and most of the guys I have dated have always told me, "it's your business, I don't want to get involved." Yet they want to bitch about their work problems to me? Well then don't complain to me about the employees you have who aren't fit for the job when you can't even lend an ear yourself.

 

I really don't see what the big deal is. If anything...I think some escorts are finding some relief being that it's not just them who are being cancelled on.

 

Other businesses have their downfalls...but when I used to work on the 8th floor of an overseas bank; people bitched, cried when customers got irate, cried on the job when the stock market crashed, got frustrated with customers and slammed phones...they would go to lunch and discuss and vent it with other co-workers.

 

We as escorts don't really have that opportunity. For one, it's half ass legal. It's very discreet. There's no resources for us in America like there is in Canada and the U.K. The forum can be informational, a way to market and a way to vent all at the same time. I'm tired of people saying what other businesses do or don't do. This isn't other businesses.IT'S ESCORTING. . Therefore, the dynamics are different. I worked regular jobs for years, atleast on the forum you can turn a blind eye to the bitching if need be...

[bigvalboy]

Oh please. That's your own insecurities and paranoia getting the best of you. I have clients who mention about reading my blog and nowhere were they put off by what I've said. In fact, in some cases clients have gotten a better understanding thru those type of posts.

 

I don't know why some people think that every client that ever thinks about hiring us feels that all eyes are on this message board? Hell...if people call and don't recall my rates or don't look at reviews, how much more can they be paying attention to the forum? (not to imply clients are stupid...but many just don't want to get involved with all the politics of escorting: reviews, forums, etc.).

 

Til this day, of all the clients I've met over 4 years...I've only had the pleasure of meeting 1 who mentioned anything about the forum. I don't hear, "you know the post you wrote the other day? I didn't agree with it." as much as "what time works best for you?" and "when are you in town?"

 

 

 

Any escort worth their weight in salt wouldn't complain to a client directly in person. That's just common sense. What we don't know is what they talk about away from your appointment. Not necessarily about you, but maybe something that happened before. And if they don't vent...More power to them if they rather bottle it all in. Maybe they have a boyfriend who they can vent to. I sure as hell don't and most of the guys I have dated have always told me, "it's your business, I don't want to get involved." Yet they want to bitch about their work problems to me? Well then don't complain to me about the employees you have who aren't fit for the job when you can't even lend an ear yourself.

 

I really don't see what the big deal is. If anything...I think some escorts are finding some relief being that it's not just them who are being canceled on.

 

Other businesses have their downfalls...but when I used to work on the 8th floor of an overseas bank; people bitched, cried when customers got irate, cried on the job when the stock market crashed, got frustrated with customers and slammed phones...they would go to lunch and discuss and vent it with other co-workers.

 

We as escorts don't really have that opportunity. For one, it's half ass legal. It's very discreet. There's no resources for us in America like there is in Canada and the U.K. The forum can be informational, a way to market and a way to vent all at the same time. I'm tired of people saying what other businesses do or don't do. This isn't other businesses.IT'S ESCORTING. . Therefore, the dynamics are different. I worked regular jobs for years, at least on the forum you can turn a blind eye to the bitching if need be...

 

God knows Joey I don't always agree with you, but I just have to say that this was an excellent response.

 

It is late here in LA and I am beat from the day, and I have to be up very early tomorrow, so I don't really have time to dissect your response and detail the areas that I feel you are so correct on, suffice it to say that I think most of everything that you said here is what I wanted to say earlier but just didn't have the time to do...kudos to you and two thumbs up!!

 

I have learned a lot from you and Mikey and Steven Draker, just to mention a few. I never really looked at the down side of the escort business and all of the BS you guys have to put up with. As client I have always tried to be respectful of the escort and treated them how I would want to be treated. I am one of those guys that just won't negotiate prices or want to pay less once the session is over. The price is what it is and If I don't like it going in then it is my option to walk if I choose to. And while I have written a multitude of good reviews for escorts and masseurs, I will never burn an escort with a bad one unless I was blatantly scammed. Otherwise I just let things go...Oh God I have to stop rambling..best to you Joey for now..see you all later...Night all!!

[Decatur Guy]

I am figuratively and literally biting a hole through my tongue.

[Guest countryboywny]

I have clients who mention about reading my blog and nowhere were they put off by what I've said.

 

Til this day, of all the clients I've met over 4 years...I've only had the pleasure of meeting 1 who mentioned anything about the forum.

 

Joey,

 

I realize escorting is totally different than everyday business. I respect and encourage you to speak your mind, it's your choice to say whatever you want. The point I was trying to make is that negativity turns me off. We all have problems, but constant complaining, with little or no positive posts creates a perception (real or not) that you're just not a happy guy.

I won't/can't speak for anyone else, but for ME if I had to choose between hiring you or someone who presents a more positive demeanor.. guess who wins. I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying that you would benefit from being less negative and more positive. IMHO, of course. Maybe that's the reason that you've only had one client who reads this forum? I wish you the best, and after all I've said, I'd like to meet you in person someday.. CB

[jjkrkwood]

Joey,

 

I realize escorting is totally different than everyday business. I respect and encourage you to speak your mind, it's your choice to say whatever you want. The point I was trying to make is that negativity turns me off. We all have problems, but constant complaining, with little or no positive posts creates a perception (real or not) that you're just not a happy guy.

I won't/can't speak for anyone else, but for ME if I had to choose between hiring you or someone who presents a more positive demeanor.. guess who wins. I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying that you would benefit from being less negative and more positive. IMHO, of course. Maybe that's the reason that you've only had one client who reads this forum? I wish you the best, and after all I've said, I'd like to meet you in person someday.. CB

 

CB, while I completely MIRROR your words to Joey, Daddy has created this safe haven for escorts to contribute, VENT, whatever, and I am sure none of us wants to stifle their contributions. However, as the clients, we all have different styles and tastes, and while Joey claims to have amassed a client base worthy of note, who am I to dispute that ?

I have always believed there is a "cover for every pot", and no doubt Joey, and other escorts like him who VENT alot, have many covers too. I just prefer NOT engaging with escorts that have so many issues going on. We all have issues, but hiring a guy that brings so many negative ideas about his business and clients to the party is just NOT my style. He can HAVE the issues, I just dont want to know about it, because that is the thing I will be focused on. I am aware that Joeys popularity does not depend on ME, and I wish him well, but do feel its important that he is cognizant of the clients perspective.

[corndog]

I just prefer NOT engaging with escorts that have so many issues going on.

 

A number of escorts who post here have expressed that they love their jobs. Some have said that they love the challenge of finding something that turns them on in each client. That's something thats very appealing to me in an escort. For me to have a good time, I need to really believe that the escort is enjoying himself, too. I realize that he may not want to spend the rest of his life with me, but I need to believe that, in the moment, the pleasure is mutual.

 

Although I respect that escorts need a place to vent, when I read some escorts' rants, I would have a hard time believing that they enjoy themselves when I hire them.

[jjkrkwood]

A number of escorts who post here have expressed that they love their jobs. Some have said that they love the challenge of finding something that turns them on in each client. That's something thats very appealing to me in an escort. For me to have a good time, I need to really believe that the escort is enjoying himself, too. I realize that he may not want to spend the rest of his life with me, but I need to believe that, in the moment, the pleasure is mutual.

 

Although I respect that escorts need a place to vent, when I read some escorts' rants, I would have a hard time believing that they enjoy themselves when I hire them.

 

Thats exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for the concise summary. My senior mind just couldnt express it correctly.

[Guest countryboywny]

Thats exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for the concise summary. My senior mind just couldnt express it correctly.

 

Me too!

[bigvalboy]

A number of escorts who post here have expressed that they love their jobs. Some have said that they love the challenge of finding something that turns them on in each client. That's something thats very appealing to me in an escort. For me to have a good time, I need to really believe that the escort is enjoying himself, too. I realize that he may not want to spend the rest of his life with me, but I need to believe that, in the moment, the pleasure is mutual.

 

Although I respect that escorts need a place to vent, when I read some escorts' rants, I would have a hard time believing that they enjoy themselves when I hire them.

 

Last post before I hit the highway...most of you will be glad of that I am sure....LOL LOL I did just want to say that most of the venting about clients is regarding those of us who do not show up, cancel at the last minute, bitch about prices, try to re-negotiate prices down, refuse to pay the full fee once the session is over (oh yes, I have escorts tell me those stories also) send escorts on a wild goose chase, and talk absolute nonsense on the phone, deal with stalkers and total nut jobs, fake clients who try and solicit money through elaborate scams and waste the escorts time and money when they could be engaging with others. Those are legitimate complaints and certainly a reason to vent. I do not believe I have ever heard an escort on here say that they did not like their profession or did not like being with clients, unless of course the client was a real "A" whole...which some of us are.

 

I did Real Estate for years and bitched about clients all the time, I had some really difficult and unreasonable people that I had to deal with, sometimes you really just wanted to shoot some of these people. I have been scammed and lied to and cheated out of sizable commissions...and I bitched all the time, you can be damn sure of that. It is part of being human and part of being in business. It goes with the territory. Anyone who has any kind of business, certianly goes through the same thing. To say that I should not vent about it or complain is insane.... but I still loved what I did, tremendously, and would not have changed my life for the world. I do not know anyone that is in business that does not go through the frustration of dealing with clients. Everyone vents and rants, it is a natural process.

 

Just because a few members don't like to hear those stories, some of us gain a lot of insight into what these escorts go through and in my eyes makes them more, well human....well enough of my venting and ranting...back in a few days. I'm sure you guys can't wait for that...LOL

[nycfan2003]

Mikey, I am sorry for your cancellations. I had to do it once. I definitely was very sick and contagious. I offered to meet, but, thank God. the escort wanted me to get well. I'll see him in April, after an 8-month hiatus.

There are times when clients do have reasons to cancel. But, I think contact is most important. I am always honest.

 

 

 

 

 

What was hopefully a minor blip has now become a full fledged trend and a new reality in our ancient profession guys! During my recent (and soon to continue) tour of Tampa/Orlando I have met 7 new and excellent clients! Amazing times and sure all will be regulars when our schedules match as they have indicated such. That is the positive. In some senses business has NEVER been better. The down side is that there were 7 cancellations. 2 with notice. 3 last minute and 2 no notice, no call, no email, no text-just totally blew me off. Guys that is a 50/50% cancellation to completed call percentage. Have talked to other providers who are all reporting the same thing. The reasons (when reason was given) would make for a great situation comedy/tragedy/drama unprecedented in human history ,......lol..... 1. "I got called back into work" now this one is believable except that in these cases the real clients will re-schedule with you. The gameplayers will not. he did not. 2. "cough, cough, snif, snif, hack hack, I am sick and just got back from the dr. on antibiotics so missing work and have to cancel our date." This one was hilarious, a real good acting job! Sounded like me when I used to call in sick to work so I could get a free day at the beach. What can you say to that? And I had seen him before and I know he likes me so I just accepted it and gave him a get well wish. 3. "I just found out i have to fly to ohio tommorrow so i have to cancel our appointment" no, my competitor is 50 dollars cheaper and you booked with him cause he told me so. client did not realize that my competitor is also my friend and as we were comparing schedules my clients name popped up on my competitors schedule at the exact time he was to be in ohio. 4. "had my phone off during business meeting as my company was buying a tampa company. during a break i got two emergency mesages from my mom and my wife that my dad had just had a massive heart attack. as i was arranging a flight out of tampa i got word he died." now, this last one only gave me this explanation after i contacted him at 930 about our 9 pm definite 2 hour call at his hotel . Did hid Dad really die? Who knows? I was very sympathetic and compassionate and he has no idea how much the cancellation destroyed my saturday night schedule. 5. "I had an accident and hurt my foot/ankle and then had no phone. i am not a gameplayer....." no phone dude? It is 2012. what you dont know is that you pulled the same shit on my friend 6 months ago. same story......... We could go on and on and those were just the ones who bothered to try and contact me or respond when I contacted them... Bottom line: our business is mainstream now and big time. There is more COMPETION and more choices for the clients. Back in the day I very rarely got a cancellation- almost never! But now as I said 50%. And it is not because I am an older escort. This stuff is happening to my 20-30 year old competitors with 12 abs! What clients may not realize is how this affects our attitude as providers. I try to be upbeat and cheerful but damn it is hard when your mind questions every single client and you almost expect the worst. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[Michael Wayne]

several of the cancellations have already rescheduled and done the session. great times with all of them. I am going to change my attiude about cancellations. The posters are right that I do have a large client base and usually the client can be replaced. I just get psyched up for a particular client and then get disappointed, that is all. I think what happened was a perfect storm of cancellations all at once...like more in a week than I normally have in a year and I over reacted. All is well now. The goals are perfect discretion and NO negative attitude! That is the secret to longevity in this biz! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[KMEM]

Good on you.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Michael Wayne]

thanks KMEM. THAT IS WHAT THE FROUM IS ABOUT! Who else can we providers talk to about all this? Certainly not family or friends or even clients in person. Sometimes we need to hear what you guys think and your thoughts bring balance and clarity to our thought process. I am sure also that it is interesting to some of you to find out the inner thought process of the providers as well. The business is far more complicated and involved now than it was when I started. It is much more like a real job. That is a good thing overall as I feel it makes us have to be more professional to compete. off to ft. lauderdale for the day to see one of my best regulars. I am so excited! I love it when a client know EXACTLY what I like in bed and knows how to give it. In return he gets my , "A," game! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[JoeyBryant]

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying that you would benefit from being less negative and more positive. IMHO, of course. Maybe that's the reason that you've only had one client who reads this forum? I wish you the best, and after all I've said, I'd like to meet you in person someday.. CB

 

You may not think you're attacking me, but you just did LOL. Most of the people from the forum are either in California or New York or DC or places where escorts are generally more prevalent in. I have not traveled to those places. However, it was the one time I went to one of those similar cities that I did meet a client from the forum (he was actually pretty popular here but I have not seen him posting in probably over a year now). In addition, it's no secret that daddys forums tends to lean towards talking and gawking over White escorts. The men who would hire me probably wouldn't be interested in all that.

 

When a client tells me, "whenever I go on men4rent, I call all the Black guys 1st"...then I don't expect him spending much time on daddys forums. Why? They probably glanced at it and seen that non of the guys being mentioned on here were what they were interested in and moved on. They are not interested in my posts. They are interested in getting their needs met and fulfilled. Unfortunately, there really isn't any resources out there for men to specifically chat and review over Black male escorts. Now, I've had people who've mentioned seeing my reviews but that's about it.

 

I'm not negative all the time. I mean, I have checked around with other people around my caliber and not many have as many good feedback as I do in such a short period of time. So, regardless of what I say...there's still people saying good things too. Now, it's not to be complacent and think that perhaps someone hasn't been turned off...but when someone is trying to reach out to other escorts as Mikey has been doing, then that's just part of the game. That's why you have to advertise on different sites, have different windows for people to see you in...and keep it moving.

 

Matter of fact, I find that when I post about current issues...they suddenly go away! It's like writing a memo. Cancellations stop cancelling, flakes stop flaking. It's like sending out a note to the universe, and sometimes it's necessary. One time I wrote about an incident that has occurred over the summer, and although no one from the forum was able to assist, I ended up meeting someone from an un-related website and in an instant the issue had vanished. Sometimes...you just have to speak to the universe regardless of whether or not you think it may or may not please everyone.

[jimboivyo]

it's no secret that daddys forums tends to lean towards talking and gawking over White escorts. The men who would hire me probably wouldn't be interested in all that

 

then there are some of us who wouldn't be interested in hiring someone with a racecard chip on their shoulder. you always bring skin color into the conversation. get over it.

[jjkrkwood]

In addition, it's no secret that daddys forums tends to lean towards talking and gawking over White escorts. The men who would hire me probably wouldn't be interested in all that.

 

.

 

Simply by the numbers, white escorts seem to be more abundant in general, hence the impression that they are spoken about more often. As has been mentioned on this site before, the ads for black escorts often make them seem "street" or thuggish, and while there is probably a market for that as well, not as much as for white escorts. Its also simply a preference and shouldnt bear any "racial" undertones.... YES, while i do agree members tend to "gush" over thier hires, it has absolutley Nothing to do with Race as far as I am concerned.

[jjkrkwood]

Sometimes...you just have to speak to the universe regardless of whether or not you think it may or may not please everyone.

 

I'd much rather play with my "Crystals".....

[rguer]

then there are some of us who wouldn't be interested in hiring someone with a racecard chip on their shoulder. you always bring skin color into the conversation. get over it.

 

His race may have more effect on his daily life than yours has on you.

[jimboivyo]

His race may have more effect on his daily life than yours has on you.

 

that may be, but here is not the place for him to complain about it.

 

besides, I don't buy into that pity party. life is what you make of it. if you put out negativity, you get it back.