Of these 5 rate choices, which do you think is reasonable and list your city

[JoeyBryant]

Does anyone have an idea of the origin of some of the $200 rates?

 

Even prior to moving to Denver, when I 1st visited...I noticed $200 seemed to be a bit much for people. Although I've gotten that and more...Toying around with rates, it seems like the $150-160 range seems to get people's approval around here.

 

It's like on the one hand I don't want to come off cheap on my advertisements, but on the other hand it's what works here. And then all the Black escorts in the area put such a low price tag on themselves so I'm a bit compelled to compete, but not to their rates though. You already have a niche segment who hires Black escorts, but rather than capitalize on it, these guys rather low ball and effectively, tune client's expectations of Black escorts: I should be able to find them for less than $150. It just disgusts me til no end. And when I keep hearing and seeing these things...I become even MORE disgusted. I'm like, don't you know people are willing to offer up $220 for a mere 20 minutes of time? (the good ole days of 2008)

 

Then too, look at cost of living of some places. I'm not knocking anyone in NYC or LA, but Denver folks would faint at some of those rates. It's almost hard to want to continue staying in a town where people don't want to adjust to the changing market. And like I mentioned in the above sentence, it doesn't help when you have people instigating it by offering themselves for $120 or $150.

[jjkrkwood]

Regardless of WHAT the going rate may be, obviously there are escorts that feel THEIR time is worth More, and they have every right to ask for a higher price. If they find clients to take it, great for them. Its basically trial and error. Sure, use guidelines if you want, but in the end its all about the clients and what they will pay IF they are attracted to you.

[LurkerSpeaks]

I really believe it is situational to the city, situational to the escort. Here in Phoenix, I have seen ads on rentboy as low as $120. We have a "regular" ad on rentboy from Luke Marcum (porn star/escort) that is normally asking $280. Today, Malachi Marx is in town and asking $400. I cannot say how much business each person gets.

 

There is no one right answer. I would say to look at what your market averages, and then see how you "stack up" to the competition. I do like the idea of reduced rates for multiple hours or repeats.. Maybe we can start an "escort punch card".. get ten punches and your 11th session is half off...

 

I, for one, do not believe in negotiating rates. I believe the escort has chosen his rate to be what he feels he deserves (whether I agree or not). If I was to offer a lower rate, in my mind, how would I know that the escort wouldn't reduce his "services" to compensate for lower rate. ie..You are only paying 75% of what I feel I am worth, so I am only gonna put forth 75% of the effort..

 

If I can't afford to spend what the escort is asking, then I won't hire until I can afford it. Or if it is more than I am comfortable paying, then I won't ever hire that person.

 

A big question to me would be one that is not easily answered. Are you HOPING to have a person hire you once or are you hoping to establish repeat clients? If the answer is repeat, how about something like a frequent fucker club? Your "usual" rate might be $200. That is for a first time visit. But at the time of booking, let the client know that if he hires you a second or subsequent time, your rate would be $175...

[cany10011]

Joey, it's all about perception and what the market will bear. If I perceive the escort to be hot and only available for a short time, i may splurge and spend 300 or more. While on the other hand, some escorts I see that are 200 might actually entice me to pay up more (because I find them that hot). And some that charge others 250 may charge me 100 (frequent customer discount). I think it's about how horny i am and how hot the escort is. If i don't think he's worth 300 (although he thinks he does), i pass. If i think he's worth 300, then i'll bite. But on average, in nyc, i usually spend 200 or so; that puts me on the lower end of the spectrum. I usually have escorts over 2 to 3 times a week.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone have an idea of the origin of some of the $200 rates?

 

Even prior to moving to Denver, when I 1st visited...I noticed $200 seemed to be a bit much for people. Although I've gotten that and more...Toying around with rates, it seems like the $150-160 range seems to get people's approval around here.

 

It's like on the one hand I don't want to come off cheap on my advertisements, but on the other hand it's what works here. And then all the Black escorts in the area put such a low price tag on themselves so I'm a bit compelled to compete, but not to their rates though. You already have a niche segment who hires Black escorts, but rather than capitalize on it, these guys rather low ball and effectively, tune client's expectations of Black escorts: I should be able to find them for less than $150. It just disgusts me til no end. And when I keep hearing and seeing these things...I become even MORE disgusted. I'm like, don't you know people are willing to offer up $220 for a mere 20 minutes of time? (the good ole days of 2008)

 

Then too, look at cost of living of some places. I'm not knocking anyone in NYC or LA, but Denver folks would faint at some of those rates. It's almost hard to want to continue staying in a town where people don't want to adjust to the changing market. And like I mentioned in the above sentence, it doesn't help when you have people instigating it by offering themselves for $120 or $150.

[JoeyBryant]

Joey, it's all about perception and what the market will bear. If I perceive the escort to be hot and only available for a short time, i may splurge and spend 300 or more. While on the other hand, some escorts I see that are 200 might actually entice me to pay up more (because I find them that hot).

 

Exactly...of course when I'm away from home, not only is one able to come across something like $200 essily, but most are willing to do more. It's all justifiable due to travel and hotel expenses. By having that perceived time-constraint, makes it all the easier. In addition, keeping me a bit longer if things are going well is also something I'm no stranger to.

 

But, I do notice rates across the board here are a bit less as well. One guy, who I ran into in person the other day and noticed him from his ads, used to charge like $250. Now, it's $150/200.

 

I really believe it is situational to the city, situational to the escort. Here in Phoenix, I have seen ads on rentboy as low as $120. We have a "regular" ad on rentboy from Luke Marcum (porn star/escort) that is normally asking $280. Today, Malachi Marx is in town and asking $400. I cannot say how much business each person gets.

 

A big question to me would be one that is not easily answered. Are you HOPING to have a person hire you once or are you hoping to establish repeat clients? If the answer is repeat, how about something like a frequent fucker club? Your "usual" rate might be $200. That is for a first time visit. But at the time of booking, let the client know that if he hires you a second or subsequent time, your rate would be $175...

 

I can't imagine much of anything happening in Phoenix. That's like the only city in the 4 corners where I've thought about going, attempted on going...but many of the responses would fizzle out when it's time to finalize plans.

 

The frequent f****r club sounds like a good idea. However, I just tend to vary my rates up at certain times. Like for example now, I'm offering a deal where outcalls to residential addresses and hotels on my side of town is the same cost as an incall. Mainly because the effort to drop by someone's house or a hotel nearby me is minimal.

[LurkerSpeaks]

actually, we get a fair amount of "traveling" escorts.. we are only 5 hours from LA, so many escorts who drive across country stop here on the way... We recently lost our "best reviewed" escort, Brandon Williams. I heard that he retired from the biz and moved to Palm Springs. But, we did gain Jason Carter, who has a great reputation as well. I met Luke Marcum a few years ago. I hosted a Phoenix Pride Hoo-MER weekend and he attended our Saturday night dinner. He is a very attractive, friendly guy. While I have not "sampled" his wares myself, one of the long time posters from the boards (who now posts exclusively at MER) did hire him that weekend and gave him two thumbs up..

[bigvalboy]

actually, we get a fair amount of "traveling" escorts.. we are only 5 hours from LA, so many escorts who drive across country stop here on the way... We recently lost our "best reviewed" escort, Brandon Williams. I heard that he retired from the biz and moved to Palm Springs. But, we did gain Jason Carter, who has a great reputation as well. I met Luke Marcum a few years ago. I hosted a Phoenix Pride Hoo-MER weekend and he attended our Saturday night dinner. He is a very attractive, friendly guy. While I have not "sampled" his wares myself, one of the long time posters from the boards (who now posts exclusively at MER) did hire him that weekend and gave him two thumbs up..

 

Met Jason Carter in PS....what a freakin sweet man. Almost too good to be true. He was with another client, but that is the bf experience if I ever saw one....you guys got lucky on that one.

[JoeyBryant]

actually, we get a fair amount of "traveling" escorts.. we are only 5 hours from LA, so many escorts who drive across country stop here on the way...

 

Meh, doesn't make a difference for me. One thing about me is that I generally do not go where everyone else goes. Everyone goes to certain places because they see everyone else doing it and rightfully think, "hey, they must make lots of money there". That's amateur decisions I used to make in my younger days. Plus, if everyone else is stopping there...I can imagine it taps out some of the reserves. I'm sure one day I'll get curious enough to stop out that way, but I'd probably have to get a deposit of sorts before I go out there. Like the other 12 states I've visited in less than 12 months time, I need to have firm confirmations before I go, else I won't go.

 

I don't have time, to waste money and time...

[Rod Hagen]

For me undercutting has worked really well. When I started in 1999 "everyone" in LA was $250, so I asked for $220 (and still do). It's "impossible" to find a solid erotic massage for less than $100...so I charge $85. Undercut, just a bit. It works REALLY well.

[bigvalboy]

For me undercutting has worked really well. When I started in 1999 "everyone" in LA was $250, so I asked for $220 (and still do). It's "impossible" to find a solid erotic massage for less than $100...so I charge $85. Undercut, just a bit. It works REALLY well.

 

I completely agree Rod....Anything below a hundred is a hands down deal. When someone charges that little, I take the extra that I would have normally spent and use it for a tip. SO it is a win for the masseur and it makes me feel good about being generous. In the end the masseur gets the same price anyway, but I feel better about the whole situation.

[JoeyBryant]

For me undercutting has worked really well. When I started in 1999 "everyone" in LA was $250, so I asked for $220 (and still do). It's "impossible" to find a solid erotic massage for less than $100...so I charge $85. Undercut, just a bit. It works REALLY well.

 

Oh yeah that does help...

 

I'm offering it for even less than that, but I'm doing it because I want people to know: An erotic massage does not mean giving mutual oral and making me cum and kissing. So, I'm going to charge a very cheap rate for that...but if you wish to go beyond that, it's not going to be the same cost. Would someone expect their hot sexy stud personal trainer to provide sexual services inclusive of their rates? No. So let's put the intentions on the table and be upfront about what you're really wanting. I don't speak in code language.

 

Just like the masseurs come to men4rent and offer massage, I'm going to go to their site and offer escort service. May the best man win.

[+ Travis69]

Oh yeah that does help...

 

I'm offering it for even less than that, but I'm doing it because I want people to know: An erotic massage does not mean giving mutual oral and making me cum and kissing. So, I'm going to charge a very cheap rate for that...but if you wish to go beyond that, it's not going to be the same cost. Would someone expect their hot sexy stud personal trainer to provide sexual services inclusive of their rates? No. So let's put the intentions on the table and be upfront about what you're really wanting. I don't speak in code language.

 

Just like the masseurs come to men4rent and offer massage, I'm going to go to their site and offer escort service. May the best man win.

 

If I were you I would get a massage table for incalls. It will allow you to control the situation better.

[rguer]

I'm offering it for even less than that, but I'm doing it because I want people to know: An erotic massage does not mean giving mutual oral and making me cum and kissing. So, I'm going to charge a very cheap rate for that...but if you wish to go beyond that, it's not going to be the same cost. Would someone expect their hot sexy stud personal trainer to provide sexual services inclusive of their rates? No. So let's put the intentions on the table and be upfront about what you're really wanting.

 

The problem is that your meanings, reasonable though they may be, are not standard. There is no standard. If a masseur's ad says 'I charge $85/hour and I have an 8" uncut cock and I like to bottom' - and many massage ads do say similar things - why shouldn't I expect that his endowment and preferences will be relevant during the session?

 

Your problem should not be with clients who expect the "wrong" thing, it should be with rentboy, massagem4m, et alia, for not requiring ads to be clear.

 

Also, your statement that some masseurs are undervaluing themselves at $80/hour compared to your escort value of $200/hour has a fundamental flaw. It assumes that you are providing the same quality of services. It's like saying "Ford is undervaluing the Fiesta by not selling it at the same price as the Lincoln Aviator." Maybe in some sense the Aviator is a better vehicle, but it's more than a lot of people need or can afford.

[JoeyBryant]

The problem is that your meanings, reasonable though they may be, are not standard. There is no standard. If a masseur's ad says 'I charge $85/hour and I have an 8" uncut cock and I like to bottom' - and many massage ads do say similar things - why shouldn't I expect that his endowment and preferences will be relevant during the session?

 

Your problem should not be with clients who expect the "wrong" thing, it should be with rentboy, massagem4m, et alia, for not requiring ads to be clear.

 

Also, your statement that some masseurs are undervaluing themselves at $80/hour compared to your escort value of $200/hour has a fundamental flaw. It assumes that you are providing the same quality of services. It's like saying "Ford is undervaluing the Fiesta by not selling it at the same price as the Lincoln Aviator." Maybe in some sense the Aviator is a better vehicle, but it's more than a lot of people need or can afford.

 

As for your car comparison: you actually think there's a difference in quality between the Fiesta and Aviator? They're both Fords! :o (I'm kidding people)

 

Ok, I have absolutely no clue what you're referring to in the bold statement. I'm not really understanding what you're trying to defend or why you're trying to defend it. It's simple: if one wants a hunky naked guy to give a massage, it's going to be 1 rate. If person decides they want to move beyond that, it's another rate. What is there to be mad about? At least I'm saying what it's going to be upfront before you walk in the door. I also do not see where I mentioned masseurs undervaluing themselves either?

 

I'm simply saying, let's cut the confusion. As for the first sentence, I can't quite vouche for what anyone else does. I'm only suggesting what I'm doing. Now, if the guy in sentence 1 is charging $200 for outcalls on a massage ad, well then perhaps it's included. It's a reason why he's charging that much...but see, people get flustered and say, "OH, I'm not going to pay that much for a massage". Well...I'm giving that option to still meet on the terms of a massage. I believe in accommodating as much as possible, but without compromising my values or other advertisements.

 

If I were you I would get a massage table for incalls. It will allow you to control the situation better.

 

That's a fallacy to an extent. A massage table is there to have a firm, adjustable surface. It's not a testosterone blocker that signals to men to not want to have sex with the massage therapist. It's neither chemical nor biological. It's mechanical. And yes I do plan on getting one again for personal use, but people are still going to want to do other things. I know because for a while I utilized a massage table for a period of time.

 

That's like saying, "If I were you, I'd get a bed" well...what's going to stop people from fucking on the masage table? A good one can hold up about 1,000 pounds, plenty of room enough for both!

 

There's a popular massage guy on here who talks about it all the time and he's has a whole massage studio. Guys expecting full service for $75. It's not a table thing, it's a gay guy thing. We have come to expect sex to come cheaply, if not freely. That one is entitled because they paid for a massage. Well, that's when clear advertisement becomes essential and in turn no one leaves feeling disappointed or taken advantage of.

[Rod Hagen]

I completely agree Rod....Anything below a hundred is a hands down deal. When someone charges that little, I take the extra that I would have normally spent and use it for a tip. SO it is a win for the masseur and it makes me feel good about being generous. In the end the masseur gets the same price anyway, but I feel better about the whole situation.

 

Appreciated Big Val. I assumed most would do the same, surprisingly only about 20% do.