Men4rent raises rates again, should we?

[+ Travis69]

As far as the escort matching his photos and doing as promised, my best hiring experience was with a guy I hired off of Craigslist. In the past I mainly hired off rentboy. All the sites have good and bad. On another note, 2 friends who used to hire at least once a week have now turned to non-pay hook-ups from the hook-up sites. That is where I think the internet has cut into the escort business drastically. Why pay when they can find a playmate for free. Might not be buffed, young and hung, but sometimes that's not needed.

[JoeyBryant]

On another note, 2 friends who used to hire at least once a week have now turned to non-pay hook-ups from the hook-up sites. That is where I think the internet has cut into the escort business drastically. Why pay when they can find a playmate for free. Might not be buffed, young and hung, but sometimes that's not needed.

 

God dammit...see I knew it. Like one of my clients in Santa Fe hired me twice in 1 week for 2 hours when I visited. When I went back last week he messaged me on adam4adam. I was distraught. Like OH NO, this site stole my client. He was interested, but not interested enough to pay for it. He didn't say that, but we didn't end up meeting though.

 

But you know what, all that is short-lived. Even on the hookup sites, eventually the novelty wears off. You realize that people can be flakes, and after awhile once they see you all the time the responses go down. And the people on the hookup sites 99% of the time never turn into anything serious. Then you have flakes. I've had clients tell me they've used hookup sites before, but didn't feel like putting up with all the nonsense that goes into it.

[JoeyBryant]

This just goes to show what I was discussing in this thread:

 

A client came by earlier and booked me for a massage session. Then he says we can have dinner and what not later on today. He called to ask me if I was still on. I agreed. But I asked him if he was willing to cover my time as well. He's like yeah. I ask him how long he was looking for. He was basically saying he'd give me another $100 for a couple of hours. I was like no, if we're going to dinner and hanging at your hotel for 2 hours, I'm going to have to ask for this amount. He's then like, okay I'll call you back and let you know. Never did.

 

It's ridiculous. $100 for 2 hours? This is what I'm talking about. Obviously there's people in the market allowing these things to happen if they are so bold enough to ask for it. I'm telling you, keep this up...we're all going to hell in a hand basket. The market that is...

[Rod Hagen]

Lunches and dinners and whatevers off the clock are VERY tricky.

1. Would spending time with this man and not getting paid make you happy or make you feel cheated? That's the most important question. If you would feel cheated, you must say NO because eventually they will sense it and become unhappy and even if they never perceive your hidden feelings, you will be unhappy. You will seethe. Satisfaction with yourself and with the work you do is crucial. If you are unhappy escorting, you will be miserable.

 

2. If you think you would enjoy the time, ask "will the occasional unpaid socializing likely sour or improve your professional relationship?" Here you have to use your best judgement and pretty much guess. For example: If this person has paid for vacations and overnights in the past, the occasional unpaid, SHORT, ventures, are unlikely to get out of control particularly if you have future trips/overnights scheduled. He's shown that he takes your work and time seriously. Think of coffee/dinner between trips as an enjoyable way to strengthen your bond.

 

3. Unfortunately, If he's only hired you an hour at a time and if each time he's tried to nickle and dime you, unpaid social outings will only worsen this behavior.

 

Saying a clear NO is very important, unfortunately it can also be hurtful. "I'm so important you have to pay me to be friendly" is how it may sound. It's tricky. Escorting is tricky.

 

But, really, if you feel like going out with him and you're pretty certain you can get back in time for your next appointment, and your self-confident and organized enough to emphasize toward the end of coffee that you had a great time, and that you look forward to the next time he hires you---unfortunately, you are nevertheless a busy person, and you generally can't go dine after, or in lieu of, an appointment, then go out. Have fun. He's that much liklier to hire you again.

[bigvalboy]

Lunches and dinners and whatever off the clock are VERY tricky.

1. Would spending time with this man and not getting paid make you happy or make you feel cheated? That's the most important question. If you would feel cheated, you must say NO because eventually they will sense it and become unhappy and even if they never perceive your hidden feelings, you will be unhappy. You will seethe. Satisfaction with yourself and with the work you do is crucial. If you are unhappy escorting, you will be miserable.

 

2. If you think you would enjoy the time, ask "will the occasional unpaid socializing likely sour or improve your professional relationship?" Here you have to use your best judgment and pretty much guess. For example: If this person has paid for vacations and overnights in the past, the occasional unpaid, SHORT, ventures, are unlikely to get out of control particularly if you have future trips/overnights scheduled. He's shown that he takes your work and time seriously. Think of coffee/dinner between trips as an enjoyable way to strengthen your bond.

 

3. Unfortunately, If he's only hired you an hour at a time and if each time he's tried to nickle and dime you, unpaid social outings will only worsen this behavior.

 

Saying a clear NO is very important, unfortunately it can also be hurtful. "I'm so important you have to pay me to be friendly" is how it may sound. It's tricky. Escorting is tricky.

 

But, really, if you feel like going out with him and you're pretty certain you can get back in time for your next appointment, and your self-confident and organized enough to emphasize toward the end of coffee that you had a great time, and that you look forward to the next time he hires you---unfortunately, you are nevertheless a busy person, and you generally can't go dine after, or in lieu of, an appointment, then go out. Have fun. He's that much liklier to hire you again.

 

Very interesting Rod. I enjoyed hearing things from an escorts perspective. I was in a similar situation with an escort that I had hired numerous times. From his of point view, I had probably not hired him enough for him to give me free time when I requested dinner of him or an occasional afternoon together.

 

When I did, I could hear hesitation in his voice, though he agreed to lunch, it bothered me that he had hesitated. I thought about it for a couple of days and decided to air my concern over lunch. What I learned was a hard reality. He was working, period. He needed to get paid for his time. I of course really liked him as a person and thought that he felt the same about me. It was hurtful for me to hear this and I know he felt uncomfortable saying that to me.

 

I am over it now, this was sometime ago, but I never want to go through that again. I now keep business separate from my personal life. I never assume that the escort is seeking anything outside of our arrangement. Even on the occasional weekend or overnite, business remains business.

 

I can think of only one occasion when as escort suggested that we take my boat out. I quickly responded with, "are we on or off the clock" he seemed a little surprised, and then laughed and said "Oh I meant off the clock of course"....Things are simpler this way. I tend to fall in love very easily and then get hurt when feelings are not mutual.

 

This relationship between escort and client is tricky. I look at it less with 'Rose colored glasses' than I did in the past. BTW Hope you are well Rod. We should do lunch sometime.................just kidding!

[MiamiLooker]

This just goes to show what I was discussing in this thread:

 

A client came by earlier and booked me for a massage session. Then he says we can have dinner and what not later on today.

How did you respond? You didn’t ask him then if he was wanting to extend his session,and if so, for how long?

 

He called to ask me if I was still on. I agreed.

You agreed to what? A massage session and “dinner and what not” for an unspecified amount of time and fee?

 

 

But I asked him if he was willing to cover my time as well. He's like yeah. I ask him how long he was looking for. He was basically saying he'd give me another $100 for a couple of hours.

Why would you ask the client what your fee should be?

[Decatur Guy]

I recently took an escort from the Forum to lunch and just paid for the lunch. HOWEVER:

 

1. I made it clear I saw this as one Forum member welcoming another to his city.

 

2. If an appointment came up for him, he was to cancel the lunch date. I didn't want him losing out on any business by doing this. And that included a last-minute cancellation. We had to postpone once.

 

3. I made it clear I could only afford to do lunch. And as HOT as he is, I stuck to my guns (and wallet) and kept it to a lunch.

 

He was fine with all of that and we had a very enjoyable and chaste meeting. And with a nice bonus from work in my pocket, now I'm hiring him for real in less than weeks. So it turns out to be a good business move in the end. But it was truly just a "welcome to town" lunch, and I can't afford $200+ an hour for that.

 

Also, I'm going to be showing an escort new to Atlanta around town in April and help him get the lay of the land and show him the gay highlights. I'm not paying him to do that. However, I'll hire him separately later that night.

[JoeyBryant]

How did you respond? You didn’t ask him then if he was wanting to extend his session,and if so, for how long?

You agreed to what? A massage session and “dinner and what not” for an unspecified amount of time and fee?

Why would you ask the client what your fee should be?

 

Okay, basically he was asking me to dinner that night. I only agreed that my time was available, but I also wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into before I came over, which is when I started asking questions. I'm like, okay is it JUST dinner or is going to be more? That's when he mentioned dinner and then hanging out for a couple of hours at his hotel. He told me he would simply give me another $100 for that time. The time and fee was specified but I did not want to do it for that amount.

 

I didn't ask the client what my fee was. I said it would be $200 (which is actually a discount but since he seen me earlier...) if he wanted to continue to his hotel again. So he'd of already seen me earlier that day for half that amount, it would have been $300 all together. He was trying to be ultra-savvy and get me at my 1 hour rate twice by coming over earlier and then taking me to dinner later and going back to his hotel again. I didn't allow that to happen.

 

This leaves me no choice but to revert to using high-pressured sales tactics from my former cold call days to get people in line. Like when he said, "okay, well let me think about it and call you back" when I said $200...I should have been like, "WHAT is there to think about? Do you need to check your account? Go check your account right now and I'll hold while you go ahead and do it."

 

He was fine with all of that and we had a very enjoyable and chaste meeting. And with a nice bonus from work in my pocket, now I'm hiring him for real in less than weeks. So it turns out to be a good business move in the end. But it was truly just a "welcome to town" lunch, and I can't afford $200+ an hour for that.

 

Also, I'm going to be showing an escort new to Atlanta around town in April and help him get the lay of the land and show him the gay highlights. I'm not paying him to do that. However, I'll hire him separately later that night.

 

Well that's a happy ending it sounds like. But in the case that I was mentioning above, it was he hired me first...then wanted to go to dinner, and then wanted me to go back to his hotel all for $100. I wasn't going to do that.

 

I used to do it more often when I was younger, but it always ended up going off on a tangent and next thing you know...nothing has been said about hiring.

 

Matter of fact, I met a guy on a4a last year for dinner. No sex. He liked me, but I didn't quite feel the same chemistry. Last week he seen my ad there and made out as if he wanted to hire me. When I texted and called to confirm, he made as if he didn't get a text and BUT seen a missed called. Well why the hell did he not return my missed call if he seen it?

[gallahadesquire]

 

I can think of only one occasion when as escort suggested that we take my boat out. I quickly responded with, "are we on or off the clock" he seemed a little surprised, and then laughed and said "Oh I meant off the clock of course"....Things are simpler this way. I tend to fall in love very easily and then get hurt when feelings are not mutual.

 

In this typeface, it looked like "are we on or off the dock?"

[scottspearsxxx]

I try to keep my rates low because the economy is bad. You can check me out at my website http://www.ScottSpearsXXX.com and I give discounts for repeat clients.

 

Get what you want in 2012! I am ready to fulfill your mildest, wildest or darkest fantasies, wants, and needs! Versatile and available for all scenes...1on1, couples, and or groups, etc... 6'1", 200#, big personality, short hair, sometimes groomed beard and mustache or can be clean shaven, but always hairy chest and legs. Workout a couple of times a week, great tan and a nice guy. Rates: $150/hr, 3 hrs for $350, Overnight/$700, 2day or weekend is $1400, week is $2400 + travel. Disc for repeats.

[Lohengrin1979]

I can think of only one occasion when as escort suggested that we take my boat out. I quickly responded with, "are we on or off the clock" he seemed a little surprised, and then laughed and said "Oh I meant off the clock of course"....Things are simpler this way. I tend to fall in love very easily and then get hurt when feelings are not mutual.

 

This relationship between escort and client is tricky. I look at it less with 'Rose colored glasses' than I did in the past. BTW Hope you are well Rod. We should do lunch sometime.................just kidding!

 

The only times I have ever went to dinner, lunch, or some other recreation with an escort a masseur off the clock has been at their request and insistence. I would never think to ask them for their time off the clock but a few have wanted to hang out beyond the bounds of our professional relationship. Two of them are now good friends who I don't see at all for services anymore. The rest I still hire and we occasionally grab a bite or catch a movie or they'll come to one of my performances. Again though, they are the ones who suggested this. I feel it's always better if it comes from them.

 

Lohengrin

[JoeyBryant]

I try to keep my rates low because the economy is bad. Rates: $150/hr, 3 hrs for $350, Overnight/$700, 2day or weekend is $1400, week is $2400 + travel. Disc for repeats.

 

Trust me, if the economy were REALLY BAD, people wouldn't even be able to afford that. I've done craigslists casual encounters and backpage...those guys think anything more than $75-100 is outrageous. They will give excuses about economy, gas prices, family yadda yadda. That's not the clients you are looking for.

 

I'm a bit worried about all these gas price hikes too. It's got me on the fence...I need extra money for these outcalls, clients probably need extra money for themselves. But I highly doubt they are as affected by the hikes as we are. What's an extra $5 at the pump? Annoying, but not enough to panic. Also, even if companies are laying off and the economy bad, it shouldn't be a need to lower rates. The clients who can pay, will. The ones who won't, won't.

 

Apple sold 3 million of it's I-phones since it's release Friday. Now, I'm not going to go into whether they paid credit or cash...but I'm sure if people were in such a pickle, They wouldn't be buying any I-phone.

 

Think, "I want to reach the kind of clients Apple attracts: people who will pay $500-700 for a product". And then market accordingly.

 

When a client tells me he can find a guy for $100, and that $200 is too much...but then he realizes WHY an escort is worth more than $100 or $150...he'll pay it. I had a guy say exactly that to me over 3 months ago. Then I showed up and he realized he's been wasting $100 all those years on a guy who didn't meet his needs. By the time I left, it was the next morning and I'd just gotten an overnight.

 

(by the way your rates are reasonable, not knocking that. Just speaking in terms of economy)

[Mikebiz]

RentMen 2.0 and Promo Code - and thanks Decatur Guy!

 

Going back to men4rentnow and rentboy. It's too bad we can't organize ourselves and say that on July 1, 2012, escorts agree amongst themselves to drop their men4rentnow site and join not rentboy, but rentmen, which is the best of the three.

 

If I ran rentmen, I'd offer one month free with a three-month ad just to get advertisers in.

 

Thank you DG, we can't agree more that we are the best of the 3! ;-) Lets make that July 1st agenda a reality....

 

Currently we are offering 1 month FREE using promo code 2838 for all new Escort and Masseur profiles created. Our latest email campaign --> http://rentmen.com/campaign/rm2/index.php

 

5 years and gaining membership and coverage steadily year over year. Regarding this interesting thread, we have not raised our rates which appropriately are very competitive, we do not charge extra for Travel Cities and we have all the features of the others and more in our new platform 2.0. Currently running new print and online advertising nationally and in a few foreign markets. We're here for the long run.

 

We admire the successful business model of one of our major competitors - and are proud to offer a solid alternative to our community. Check us out if you haven't lately.

 

Warm regards!

 

Mike

http://www.RentMen.com

[JoeyBryant]

Thank you DG, we can't agree more that we are the best of the 3! ;-) Lets make that July 1st agenda a reality....

 

Currently we are offering 1 month FREE using promo code 2838 for all new Escort and Masseur profiles created. Our latest email campaign --> http://rentmen.com/campaign/rm2/index.php

http://www.RentMen.com

 

Thanks, that was a great idea. I'll put one up today...

[DavidGrant]

men4rentnow cancelled my account in the middle of a month I had already paid for. I've been a platinum member every month practically since the summer of 2008...which calculates out to be a lot of $$$. It was all good tho - until I was not satisfied with the level of customer service they were providing. When I told them I wasn't pleased with the lack of customer service and bitter responses, every time I even had the simplest of questions, they wrote me a nasty email saying they had cancelled my ad...and just like that! I have to say I did get a lot of response and clients from that site - but I don't understand why they have to come across as so rude and ungrateful for the tier of account that we pay them to provide for us??? I mean - platinum level ads should get a higher level of quality customer service - perhaps even a resolution specialist that is available for situations such as what I was griping about...

 

anyhow - perhaps wrong topic or thread...but I just wanted to get that off my chest.

 

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now - for some fucking...

 

...

[JoeyBryant]

men4rentnow cancelled my account in the middle of a month I had already paid for. I've been a platinum member every month practically since the summer of 2008...which calculates out to be a lot of $$$. It was all good tho - until I was not satisfied with the level of customer service they were providing. When I told them I wasn't pleased with the lack of customer service and bitter responses, every time I even had the simplest of questions, they wrote me a nasty email saying they had cancelled my ad...and just like that! I have to say I did get a lot of response and clients from that site - but I don't understand why they have to come across as so rude and ungrateful for the tier of account that we pay them to provide for us??? I mean - platinum level ads should get a higher level of quality customer service - perhaps even a resolution specialist that is available for situations such as what I was griping about...

 

anyhow - perhaps wrong topic or thread...but I just wanted to get that off my chest.

 

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now - for some fucking...

 

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There is no better topic on the site to mention that. I don't know why they give the kind of responses they do, but I regularly correspond with them about different issues and I will write a whole book for them to read about how I feel about their site sometimes. However, I submit only due to the fact that the site seems to have clients available in every state of the country. And good ones at that. Their rankings on google allow them to be as pretentious as possible because they know they can get more escorts to sign up.

 

I have given men4rent advice from an escorts perspective on what we deal with and what works best. I told them by limiting ads to updates 2 or 3 times a month, it confuses clients if things aren't regularly updated. I also mentioned the fact that you can only upgrade once and to the next level. You can't go from Bronze to Platinum. You can only go to Silver. Or Silver to Gold. Gold to Platinum. I travel a lot, and generally when I'm away like to update my ad EVERY DAY. I like to post today's date in my headline to show where I am TODAY.

 

However, I find it odd they would just cancel your ad like that after you'd already paid them. Do you mean cancel your recurring membership? Or actually pull your ad off the site?

 

And to add...I looked at the local listings for my area, and have seen that although there are 5 pages of ads, only 2 pages are active. Most probably got fed up or kicked off. Whatever the case...they are dropping like flies. Maybe men4rent should re-consider. Then again, it seems to weed out the cheap $120 guys who are just fly by night and under-cutting others. Maybe it's for the better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All this talk about Silver, Gold and Platinum makes me want to lace the wrist with 24 karatz

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[+ FreshFluff]

Think, "I want to reach the kind of clients Apple attracts: people who will pay $500-700 for a product". And then market accordingly.

 

There are a number of factors that allow Apple to get this price. They have a cult following and a product perceived to be unique. They also tightly control their distribution; you'll never catch them selling their newest product at some outlet web site for 50% off. You're doing the exact opposite:

 

God dammit...see I knew it. Like one of my clients in Santa Fe hired me twice in 1 week for 2 hours when I visited. When I went back last week he messaged me on adam4adam. I was distraught. Like OH NO, this site stole my client. He was interested, but not interested enough to pay for it. He didn't say that, but we didn't end up meeting though.

 

Joey, you cannibalized yourself. By having a profile on Adam4Adam, you're undercutting your own rates by implying that you're available for free. Turn things around and look at it from the client's point of view: Why would you pay $200 for something if you know it's available for free?

 

I know, you're human and want to hook up with non-clients sometimes. But there are other ways to do that. You need to decide whether that's more important than getting the rate you want.

 

Further, satisfying as it may be to complain, there's a reason people are advising you not to: It's not so much that you're insulting clients, though that may be an issue too. It's that you're telling your potential clients that other clients don't value you very much. Is that the message you want to send?

 

If you want to be Apple, you need to start thinking like them. Before you post something, read it as if you're a potential client. Think about whether what you've written would make you more or less likely to hire Joey Bryant. If you want an example of a good marketer on here, read Juan Vancouver's posts.

 

Disclaimer: I commented because the issue here seems clear, even though I am an outsider. If a veteran client or escort disagrees, I'll defer to his judgment.

[tom1980]

FF -- I don't know if I'd call myself a veteran client, but I'm definitely not a rookie. I think you make some very good and interesting points. Not sure about your theory with the adam4adam posts (I've never looked at that site and don't know how it works) but I think it's an interesting idea. I definitely agree with you about some of Joey's posts making him appear less than desirable in the eyes of his clients and, therefore, less desirable to potential clients.

[DavidGrant]

 

However, I find it odd they would just cancel your ad like that after you'd already paid them. Do you mean cancel your recurring membership? Or actually pull your ad off the site?

 

they actually pulled my ad off the site.

 

Oh well - won't be that big of deal to put up another one.

[JoeyBryant]

There are a number of factors that allow Apple to get this price. They have a cult following and a product perceived to be unique. They also tightly control their distribution; you'll never catch them selling their newest product at some outlet web site for 50% off. You're doing the exact opposite:

 

 

 

Joey, you cannibalized yourself. By having a profile on Adam4Adam, you're undercutting your own rates by implying that you're available for free. Turn things around and look at it from the client's point of view: Why would you pay $200 for something if you know it's available for free?

 

I know, you're human and want to hook up with non-clients sometimes. But there are other ways to do that. You need to decide whether that's more important than getting the rate you want.

 

Further, satisfying as it may be to complain, there's a reason people are advising you not to: It's not so much that you're insulting clients, though that may be an issue too. It's that you're telling your potential clients that other clients don't value you very much. Is that the message you want to send?

 

If you want to be Apple, you need to start thinking like them. Before you post something, read it as if you're a potential client. Think about whether what you've written would make you more or less likely to hire Joey Bryant. If you want an example of a good marketer on here, read Juan Vancouver's posts.

 

Disclaimer: I commented because the issue here seems clear, even though I am an outsider. If a veteran client or escort disagrees, I'll defer to his judgment.

 

1st of all, let's get something straight because I don't know where on earth you got the idea that I was advertising on adam4adam for free. I had a PAID escort ad on the site and met 2 other clients. I was traveling at the time, why the hell would I be hooking up for free when I have expenses coming in every day? My being on adam4adam had nothing to do with his decision to hire or not hire. Because there's a few client I know that are on adam4adam and hired me. Plus, you got me mixed up with someone else to even believe for a moment that I am randomly hooking up for free with anyone because even when I do use adam4adam, I don't use nude photos and mention NOTHING about sex and don't meet guys for casual sex either.

 

2nd of all, I was in no way advertising myself for 50% off...so not sure where you got that either.

 

3rd of all...let me say I don't care about any Juan Vancouver. I'm really sick of people comparing me to him and then telling me I need to be like him. I don't give a fuck about no Juan Vancouver. Juan Vancouver hasn't been to the places I've been or seen the client's I've seen. Personally I find his posts annoying because every goddam answer has to be 2 pages long. Who wants to read all that shit? What is he, fucking Hemingway? It has been4 YEARS. On my own, with nobody else as a role model. It was through my own research and my own abilities that I have been able to attain the clients that I have been with the occasional tips and advice from fellow escorts but not Juan Vancouver.

 

So ease up and stop digging at me as if I don't know what I'm talking about. This is exactly why there isn't any Black escorts who post on here because you all always give us a hard time. Rather than accept originality and differing opinions, you expect us to be clones and conform to other people's writing styles and ways of thinking. I have given plenty of good input on this site with my occasional posts that garner some debate. Apparently based on the posts of David Grant and some others, it invites conversation to share.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm really fed up arguing with a bunch of pansies hiding behind blank avatars and anonymous screen names. I've got guys in states from Florida to the Rockies to the mid west from Texas to Wisconsin and east to New York who VALUE me VERY much, thankyou very much. I don't need you to ask me whether or not I'm being valued here. I can put an ad up in just about any city and garner interest. This board is not even real life. It's fake. I've already made the changes necessary to ensure I will NEVER again be associated with this garbage ass board any longer (no offense to Daddy, but these posters make it garbage). Goodbye, have a nice life.

[gallahadesquire]

Houston, we are go for orbital insertion. Start countdown ... on Three ... Two ... One ... We have ignition, Houston. FLAME ON! Over ...

[+ FreshFluff]

Joey, I was trying to help, and I'm sorry my post came across as offensive. I've never met Juan; my point was only that his posts on this board seems to attract a lot of people. As for A4A, I suggested leaving it only because you said that the client who messaged you there wasn't willing to pay full price.

 

I hope you find what you're looking for, both in your business and personal life.

[bigvalboy]

Houston, we are go for orbital insertion. Start countdown ... on Three ... Two ... One ... We have ignition, Houston. FLAME ON! Over ...

 

I will patiently wait for re-entry....

[tom1980]

What I find most ironic/humorous about Joey's rant isn't his promise to leave the board forever (as he has done before). Much funnier in my opinion is his complaint about Juan's posts being too long. Joey may be the least self aware person I've ever interacted with on a message board (which is really saying something).

[bigvalboy]

What I find most ironic/humorous about Joey's rant isn't his promise to leave the board forever (as he has done before). Much funnier in my opinion is his complaint about Juan's posts being too long. Joey may be the least self aware person I've ever interacted with on a message board (which is really saying something).

 

LOL I was thinking the exact same thing....Sometimes I will open up his post and just don't have it in me to read pages of his comments....they go on forever. He will be back...this isn't the first time he left, and it won't be the last.