Can someone make a correlation between allowing a window of time and being on time?

[JoeyBryant]

I know I said I was abandoning fort...but God honest truth that as long as I'm in this business, there will be some things I will bring out in public, even beyond my blog. Just for sheer audibility. I just can't be quiet about some things. Something that has now happened twice within the past week (and even more-so over the years), on the same day (hump day ironically) has compelled me to bring the topic to the surface without hesitation. Although absolutely no hard feelings and am well aware of there being no wrong intents on the part of the client, what was generally overlooked in the past is now becoming a pet peeve. Like last week, guy calls me at 6 am. First time chatting. In the conversation he simply says, "I will be free after 4 pm". That's the only time constraints that was voiced. However, when we spoke later in the day and I mentioned I wouldn't be in my hotel until 7 pm; I get told he has to reschedule. He had a couple of hours after meetings and that's it. Did he call back to reschedule the next day or the following day? Nope. All I could do was blame myself, but how? He called me at 6am on the day I was arriving into town!

 

I understand that many of our clients have busy lives that sometimes may not give them an abundance of free time, especially during the week and no exception to the weekend. However, when the client books an escort and makes plans to see him on a particular day, it's just that: a day. It may not involve taking off the whole day, but I don't understand why some give such a small window of time to an [traveling] escort he plans to see? OK, you have the opportunity to meet a guy who you may never cross paths with again. Assuming the travel ad has been up for longer than a week and you all made plans not longer than 2 days ago. Why allow there to be so little room for error in the event something comes up?

 

I'm not saying that it's okay for the escort (or myself, an escort) to show up late. But if it's being said ahead of time within a reasonable amount of time if we can work out a time 1 or 2 hours before/after the set time (with a reason why), why is it an instant cancel/reschedule? And then this happens most often during traveling. Then, I get told that they can make it work if it's within 30 minutes. 30 minutes is not a time window. That's a long grace period for being late. And there is a difference. A time window should be given due to circumstances out of the person's control, whether it be the client or the escort not being able to show up at the exact time...and then leaving enough room to accommodate it.

 

Like today, I woke up earlier than I have ever woken up in a long time. Generally the same time I usually get into bed on weekends. I knew I had to be at my hotel by noon, and the distance was long. By 4:00 am, I was on the road (I don't like flying due to bag costs/I hate cabs/forced to stay downtown or in 1 area/I'm 24 so renting a car adds on $25/day and not enough guarantee clients will show up and would hate to be obligated to stay for 4 days like I flew to Chicago). On one side of the mountain the fog was down to 0 visibility at night, and on the other side it was a snowstorm. Despite checking the weather every 20 minutes, there was nothing that seemed as though it would cancel the trip all together. But in the end, it tagged on a good 1hr and 45 extra minutes to my trip.

 

I had informed client at frequent intervals of when I'd be expecting to arrive (I have 2 GPS). I did not want him to be waiting for me at the hotel, so I kept him abreast of my delay before he even headed over there. It would have been a mere 1.5 hours max from our original time. Although I thought too I'd be arriving sooner, there goes another snow storm out of friggin nowhere. But it ended up being cancelled and rescheduled. I'm glad he did reschedule and we came to an understanding, and I'm not mad at him and neither is he...but I wasn't happy with the lack of a time window. I was told "lunch time" in our initial email. Lunch time at most restaurants is generally between 12 pm and 4 pm. I was not even given half of that window. I was in my hotel room at 2pm.

 

See, the correlation is: both the time window and being on time provides both parties a courtesy. Being mindful and allowing coordination. Both escort and client take turns doing 1 of each depending on who's doing the coming or the going. I allow it. Hell, if a client says he got held up at work/co-worker dinner/meeting and needed to push things back a bit...sure. I know the dynamics are a bit different and we're expected to be Uber professional...but it's not a 1 way street. This is not an excuse for being late, it's allowing what you want to happen and setting aside time to go about it without surrounding it with other obligations. Whether it be the escort who wants the business, or the client who wants the encounter.

 

WHEW, I feel so much better after writing that.

[maxwellissmart]

I know... WHEW, I feel so much better after writing that.

 

What I took away from this was:

 

1) SIX AM??????

 

2) Yes, I've had clients do the same and it's frustrating. "Hey I can meet and I'm going to call you 12 times to tell you as much, but I'm not going to give you any real clue about what time, and I'd like you to hold the evening open for me so that I can then miss our not-really-scheduled time and then send you either a message 4-5 hours later saying 'I'm too tired now' or 'I forgot' or 'I only had 37 minutes and I wish you had called me then because I would have been totally up for it.'"

 

The point is that happened to me a couple of times and then I finally learned how to say: "no, that doesn't work for me." Appointments like that either tend to work out regardless of the situation (meaning the client will go the extra mile to make sure you get to meet up), or they never work out because the client doesn't know how to manage time (e.g. the client who tries to book 5 minutes after a conference dinner is supposed to end—which never happens on time), or he simply doesn't care about you or your time or your money.

 

3) Hell, I'm late all the time—because I live in a city that is made of equal parts politicians and traffic. I just keep in touch with clients and let them know I'm on my way—and the flipside is that if they are running late I touch base with them. It's not a big deal, and I usually don't try to run a super-tight schedule.

[JoeyBryant]

The point is that happened to me a couple of times and then I finally learned how to say: "no, that doesn't work for me." Appointments like that either tend to work out regardless of the situation (meaning the client will go the extra mile to make sure you get to meet up), or they never work out because the client doesn't know how to manage time (e.g. the client who tries to book 5 minutes after a conference dinner is supposed to end—which never happens on time), or he simply doesn't care about you or your time or your money.

 

It's extremely frustrating. It's like I'm busting my ass to get someplace, and then when it's not within their limited time frame I get told it's rescheduled.

 

The guy from today seemed a bit more understanding than the guy at 6 am. The guy from today has me down for tomorrow, but the one who called me last week at 6 am and then said he'd reschedule (and didn't) sounds like the one that simply doesn't care.

 

Another thing running thru my mind about today is I could have arrived last night. But I had no appointments for yesterday and it would have been REALLY late last night because mind you, the appointment for today wasn't finalized until yesterday. Plus I don't like too much night driving. Then it's like, is it a waste of money to book a room and arrive in the wee hours of the morning with no clients until after the following checkout (an extra day) time? Or is it a waste to lose the 1 or 2 hr appt?

 

In addition, I'm actually here pretty early. Other times I've gotten here at 11 pm, 530 pm, 7 pm, 10 pm. Like you really have to be up early to make a 500 mile trip thru the mountains by 2 pm. I mean, I enjoy the scenery...but at the same time I wouldn't just do it for shits and giggles. Has to be some gold at the end of that rainbow.

[+ nycman]

I think a lot of the confusion (and a lot of your frustration) could be gotten rid of by simply being more clear, direct, and punctual.

 

When I contact an escort, I generally have an exact time in mind. He is either available or he isn't. No windows. No rescheduling.

If I were an escort and someone told me they wanted to get together "this afternoon" I would politely ask then to call me back

when they had a more exact time and I would let them know if I was available. It avoids frustration and disappointment on both sides.

 

When I do set up an appointment, I expect the escort to be there on time give or take 5 minutes. Beyond that he should call,

beyond 15 minutes he should expect a cancellation. I work hard and time is very valuable to me. We all know shit happens,

but you shouldn't expect another person to go out of their way to accommodate your tardiness, regardless of the reason.

 

It's the same with all the professionals I employ and I don't see why escorts should be any different.

[maxwellissmart]

It's extremely frustrating. It's like I'm busting my ass to get someplace, and then when it's not within their limited time frame I get told it's rescheduled.

 

The guy from today seemed a bit more understanding than the guy at 6 am. The guy from today has me down for tomorrow, but the one who called me last week at 6 am and then said he'd reschedule (and didn't) sounds like the one that simply doesn't care.

 

Another thing running thru my mind about today is I could have arrived last night. But I had no appointments for yesterday and it would have been REALLY late last night because mind you, the appointment for today wasn't finalized until yesterday. Plus I don't like too much night driving. Then it's like, is it a waste of money to book a room and arrive in the wee hours of the morning with no clients until after the following checkout (an extra day) time? Or is it a waste to lose the 1 or 2 hr appt?

 

In addition, I'm actually here pretty early. Other times I've gotten here at 11 pm, 530 pm, 7 pm, 10 pm. Like you really have to be up early to make a 500 mile trip thru the mountains by 2 pm. I mean, I enjoy the scenery...but at the same time I wouldn't just do it for shits and giggles. Has to be some gold at the end of that rainbow.

 

That's one of the reasons I gave up travel a long time ago. Joey, just keep in mind that if you continue to have issues with a certain aspect of escorting—it's your approach that's likely causing it. Reevaluate and try a new tactic and see if things don't improve.

[Epigonos]

Joey I am a lot like nycman. When I make an appointment with an escort it is for a very specific time. It is completely inconceivable to me that the escort wouldn’t be ready and waiting when I arrive. I always call when I leave home and again about ten or fifteen minutes before arriving to give him a heads up. Occasionally I make arrangements to meet an escort at a restaurant rather than at his home or his hotel. If the guy isn’t there within a half hour of the appointed time and hasn’t called me; I’m gone, never to return.

 

P.S. Bye the way Joey those are some great new photos you have posted on M4M

[JoeyBryant]

hey had a more exact time and I would let them know if I was available. It avoids frustration and disappointment on both sides.

 

When I do set up an appointment, I expect the escort to be there on time give or take 5 minutes. Beyond that he should call,

beyond 15 minutes he should expect a cancellation. I work hard and time is very valuable to me. We all know shit happens,

but you shouldn't expect another person to go out of their way to accommodate your tardiness, regardless of the reason.

 

It's the same with all the professionals I employ and I don't see why escorts should be any different.

 

But the circumstances with traveling are different. That's why I mentioned in this thread traveling for the most part. When I'm at home, sure call me 5 minutes before you come...I will cease a workout or leave the bar if I have an appointment LOL. It's easy to be on time at home.

 

But there seems to be this certain lack of consideration when traveling. Perhaps they think I'm already there (which has been said, not sure how they would think that when my dates are always listed and I even announce my arrival). I don't know, I guess maybe I'm seeing this too personal. Like, whenever you have friends or family (or some guy you met from adam4adam that you want to fuck) coming into town, you kind of accommodate them a bit more since they have gone out their way to see you. Can't meet at 3 pm? Okay, how about 7pm or the next day when you're settled? Not just, "oh can't do it today? Well I'm busy, I got stuff to do all week I have to cancel". Not saying I travel all these miles for 1 client...but I feel there should be an understanding between an escort who's just at home and one who's coming from afar. Now, once I'm settled in my hotel and everything...I can take whatever calls come at me. But some of these guys want to be the first client of the trip, but don't want to, or are unable to make necessary concessions for the arrival times.

 

Joey I am a lot like nycman.

P.S. Bye the way Joey those are some great new photos you have posted on M4M

 

Thanks...I owe it to the photographers LOL.

 

That's one of the reasons I gave up travel a long time ago. Joey, just keep in mind that if you continue to have issues with a certain aspect of escorting—it's your approach that's likely causing it. Reevaluate and try a new tactic and see if things don't improve.

 

The only approach that's wrong is me not owning a leer jet at this point. Or a Cessna. Or an RV. That would solve all my travel issues LOL. I can't give up travel because I like doing it even if it wasn't for escorting. I get bored and irritated when I stay in the same town, seeing the same people weekend, weekout. Like I said before, Denver is over 500 miles in every which way from any major city so it takes fucking forever to get anywhere. I'm really thinking about moving because this is becoming too much for me.

[healthguy]

Hi Joey,

It would seem to me that these timing situations could be resolved through some mutual respect. However, it does seem that clients are the ones that share the majority of the "culprit" label this time. By agreeing on a particular time to meet, do we not avoid most of these late, "no shows." and reschedules? It's obvious that traveling brings on its own set of issues, but it appears Joey, that you were trying to deal with these of a professional level.

I always try to make this my waking MO: I work with clients in a different way. When dealing with appointments, and you are running late, behind, ALWAYS let someone know. If I need to reschedule or cancel, I ALWAYS try to speak to these people and apologize. In general, I think we need to be a little more civil and caring to each other. Spending a little more time thinking out of our own box everyday, brings so many good things back at us.

Enough from the "Pulpit of Rand." Go in peace!!!

[SteveEscort]

As an escort, if a client wants to see me at 6pm then I am there dead on 6pm, not 7pm and if there is bad weather then I will set off earlier. I only live 3 miles from the city centre and so I can be on time for almost any appointment. The most I have ever been late is 15 minutes and I did text on that occasion to tell him.

 

Clients who fudge the time here and there all day lose my interest. I also don't need 20 phone calls to set up one appointment. Any client with any sense booking a genuine escort won't need to confirm with them 20 times. I need one phone call to enquire in advance and one on the day to confirm he's still travelling and then one when he's checked in. I never leave my home until I know he's checked in unless I have seen him before when I am more than happy to arrive at the same or within a small time frame of his arrival.

 

I dislike clients who winge when you're 5 minutes late to their home or hotel, as if it's cutting into their time. I always compensate what that happens. Sometimes you can find his home but can't find somewhere to park or you arrive at the hotel and the car park is patrons only (especially true near airports and railways stations) and you have to start hunting for a public car parking space.

 

A window of time to me is 15 minutes, no longer unless it's discussed. I do get them say "Well Steve it might be between 2pm and 2.30 before I arrive". That's fine if I know but don't go making 2pm appointments and still have me chasing you at 2.45pm to find out where you are because that pisses me off.

[jjkrkwood]

I always appreciate reading the escorts perspective on the business and his clients, and always find it interesting that from the sample of escorts present on this site, there are some that are "constantly" having problems and always whining about them, while others have a somewhat more peaceful and pleasant experience. For me, hiring is an escapist thing. I wanna have fun, forget about my day to day life and focus on the lustful and hedonistic aspect of the encounter. I dont wanna be with an escort that brings his "issues" to the table, or will use his encounter with me as fodor for another Rant somewhere.

 

Of course, I have always been about Full disclosure and always appreciate information that is real and honest. BUT, i am also about discretionary "editing". There are some things we, as clients dont care, or need to know. With all that said I want to be clear that I am also for a two-way street regarding respect and courtesy between client and escort.

[JoeyBryant]

Well, the good news; apparently I did handle it well because the client was able to make concessions to meet at a later time, earlier in the day (and you know, they ALWAYS have more time another day, even though they tend to pretend like they don't...which is mean What a hot time we had. When I told him I was driving, the understanding was much more apparent. But at that point we didn't even discuss yesterday, I was just happy he was in the room and I was ready to ****.

 

 

Hi Joey,

When dealing with appointments, and you are running late, behind, ALWAYS let someone know. If I need to reschedule or cancel, I ALWAYS try to speak to these people and apologize.

 

And I did. Like, I didn't even let him know at the time we were planned to meet. I let him know like 2 hours prior to us meeting. I even said, "Is it possible to re-negotiate our scheduled time for today due to yadda yadda yadda." I also depended on my GPS to get me there by a certain time, which I've arrived by up to 45 minutes at times. However, it ended up arriving before me over an hour LOL.

 

That's fine if I know but don't go making 2pm appointments and still have me chasing you at 2.45pm to find out where you are because that pisses me off.

 

I'll admit, I think I may have done just that to a client last year I would text him every time I was coming to town and he was a really good fuck, great tipper too. I pretty much had him wrapped around my finger. Like, think ideal client type of fuck But last time we met I had forgotten some supplies and had to rush to the mall to grab them. Again, I was out of town. I was just trying to make our experience the best, tried to be perfect about things to make him happy. Unfortunately, he ended up beating me to the hotel...by a good half an hour or so :o

 

Well, I guess he was so pissed off about it that he'd just stopped taking up on my offers to visit. Now, it's not say that maybe something else in his life came up...but my gut tells me that was the reason. So trust me, I've learned my lesson of being late and I just try not to schedule anything around the time of an appointment. If I forget something, I'll just have to make do.

[Racketjock]

I guess I will admit to not understanding the post that started this thread and some of the subsequent posts. For me, from both a personal and professional context, I think this is more about respect and responsibility. If I have an inexcusable delay impacting an appointment:

 

- I contact/ call the person

- I apologize for not honoring my commitment

- I ask what now works for them and their schedule

 

As a client, if I cannot keep the appoint as agreed upon, I expect like with any other service provider (ie. my dentist, hair stylist, physician, etc.) I will pay for the missed appointment, and try to do better next time. I apologize that I do not see the other side to this where I should expect to be okay with a fluid time window of up to two hours to plan a scheduled meeting. I am admittedly more OCD than that and don't routinely have the luxury of an open time window. I think when people miss appointments with me, as I have been in their shoes, I understand mistakes and life happen, and will reschedule if I can and is something mutually agreed upon. Should the fact that one of us is traveling further for the appointment, or one of us is the paying customer, or the agreed upon committment not be honored, it is common courtesy and mutual respect that should, IMO, lead the day.

[jjkrkwood]

This will be an ongoing and never ending debate, as people will always do what they want to do without often thinking about ther consequences or effects of there actions on others.

 

As an escort, I suppose to have to chalk it up to the downside of the business, and gauge whether it is a persistent occurrence with a particular client or not, and then decide how to handle it. As for clients, things do happen, but they need to realize that an escort is a business man, and his time is his money and livlihood, so a sudden cancellation can really affect his schedule and income, eventhough to the client the cancellation seems insignificant.

 

I dont think things will ever go perfectly as things in the REAL worls are constantly changing. But we really need to give our actions a bit more thought, and try to be considerate of others as well.

[+ Shoreboy]

I must be one of those rare clients that if I have a 7pm appointment I am fully ready by 6pm....I am showered, cleaned in all areas, have candles burning in the hotel room since I like a fresh smell in a room whereby you cannot open the windows, keep popping Altoids in my mouth so it is 100% fresh and then sit and watch the clock.

 

30% of the escorts I hire are on time or at least within a 15 minute window of being late....as for the remaining 70% they arrive whenever, offer no excuses and I have run out of Altoids.

 

I usually schedule my fun time while I am traveling and there is always a reason for my time-frame such as an early appointment since I have an early meeting the next day.

 

I think respect for a designated time is a two way kind of contract both on the side of the client and on the side of the escort.

 

Just as a side-note, I agree 100% with what JJ said in the above post

[Lohengrin1979]

Coming from a Spanish background, I was raised with the impression that 15 minutes late was on time and that due dates and appointment times were fluid things. Life has since taught me very differently. Whether it's going to a meeting, an audition, a date, a massage appointment or an escort session, I'm always ready and available early. Time is one of the most precious commodities in life and we only get a certain amount of it. I respect my escorts' and masseurs' time and I expect the same. There are always extenuating circumstances but we all know the person who seems to always run into traffic or have a vehicular malfunction or have a family emergency to deal with. Those people get short shrift from me.

 

Lohengrin

[JoeyBryant]

Coming from a Spanish background, I was raised with the impression that 15 minutes late was on time and that due dates and appointment times were fluid things. Life has since taught me very differently. Whether it's going to a meeting, an audition, a date, a massage appointment or an escort session, I'm always ready and available early. Time is one of the most precious commodities in life and we only get a certain amount of it. I respect my escorts' and masseurs' time and I expect the same. There are always extenuating circumstances but we all know the person who seems to always run into traffic or have a vehicular malfunction or have a family emergency to deal with. Those people get short shrift from me.

 

Lohengrin

 

Oh tell me about it. I used to work in a bank in Miami. 8:30 was the start time but if you showed up before 9 you were fine. If you got in earlier than 8:30, it'd be empty.

 

I to agree that time is precious, but see I'm not talking about little small things like being local. I'm mostly referring to traveling. Like even the other day, someone did it again. Called me in another area and I said, "I am not there today, I will be visiting next week". Then I get, "oh you weren't here today? I thought you would be. Okay I'll call you in a couple of weeks".

 

It's that sense of limitation on their end that some people give off. It's like last minute, not well thought out, not planned and little interest in trying to plan and then they wonder why the schedule fell behind.

[scottspearsxxx]

If I am running late due to traffic, I will text you and let you know and expect the same from the client if we are meeting someplace other than their house or business. It is just courtesy and I strive to have excellent customer service.

 

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