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[ragazzolupo]

This thread was incredibly enjoyable, light banter, with some serious messaging. almost all the posts were from escorts/ masseurs (a really great rarity here.)

 

Thank god the forum thread has returned to it's normal practice of taking on the escorts "I think escorts need to take some responsibility for these emails." and "Anyways.. now I sound like I am bitching.. ". that final statement is one whith which I agree. Almost like we need a stand in for 'he who must not be named'.

 

Except for Maxwell (who is smart) all the other escorts are exposted by contact names and not screen names. Please be polite with them when they are having a friendly discussion.

[maxwellissmart]

I think escorts need to take some responsibility for these emails. While you may be up front and honest in your advertising, many more are not. There are so many escorts that list rates as variable, ask, negotiable, or an amount and then have hidden upcharges or add-ons that now you have to ask questions like this even when the rate is posted. So many escorts post old or stolen (aka borrowed) pictures that you have to ask are these pictures really of you and are they recent and accurate. So many escorts check every box in the likes and activities section that you have to ask if they are actually into these activities.

 

Also you guys slam clients for asking questions yet you also slam clients for not being specific about what they want or expect in a meeting. Sometimes it seems a client can't do the right thing no matter what. I had one escort ask me what I liked. I responded with my general likes and interests, he slammed me for not answering that specific to sexual stuff. The next time I got that same question from a different escort so I responded with the sexual answers and he slammed me for being sexual (like oral) and not general (like bowling).

 

To the point of ths potential client or time-waster. Maybe he is just a lonely man who wants to play email tag. Maybe he has no intention of making an appointment. In all reality compare your job to a car salesman. That person might have some customer that asks question after question, wants to negotiate to the penny, makes multiple visits and demands a test drive, and never buys the car. Maybe he had no intention of buying it. Maybe he went down the street and bought the car from someone else. Shit happens. You answering 2-3 emails, maybe 4-5 emails is what.. 10 minutes of your life? Yet you make it seem like the guy is cheating you, wasting your time or setting you up to be arrested?

 

Anyways.. now I sound like I am bitching.. so I am going to stop typing! And despite this rant, I have noticed that your posts have generally been more positive instead of constant bitching which led me to believe that you really hated escorting before. It did make a difference, but then.. unless you are the actual guy who wrote that email to you, then we have no clue who you are as an escort anyways so I guess that wouldn't matter. Anyways kudos to you for being more positive in your posts in general (besides this one lol)!

 

Here's the deal, DTB—I opened this thread because I got a question to which I really didn't know how to interpret or respond, so I put it to you guys (escorts and clients) to give me some other viewpoints. You're the only client who thought the thread was worth responding to. Thank you to the escorts who took the time to respond (especially Mr. Draker, to whom I've been nasty to recently)—I actually did send this client an additional email because of another client I just got done meeting with, who did pretty much the same thing, only via text. He actually turned out to be quite nice, so my logic is: perhaps this one will do the same. Perhaps he won't. Regardless, I'll give him a shot—and if we DO meet, I plan to tell him that he needs to work on the email dynamic because it arouses suspicion.

 

As far as the points you make in your post—I can totally see why you would be frustrated. Try to understand it from our point of view as well, since we're the ones selling a service. Anytime you exchange information with an escort, follow it with the statement: "does that answer your question?" You can use this phrase to both clarify and to justify the information you submit, as in—"I understand it's not wise to get too explicit via email regarding my likes/dislikes and so on, but I try to be versatile and safe when meeting up. Does that answer your question?" You're basically telling the escort here: "You're breaking a communication rule. Don't be stupid. I'm certainly not.

 

Oh, and here's something interesting about your thoughts on "time-wasting." Sure, he might take up 3-4 emails of my time. And he might take up 50. I just discovered last night that the guy who has no intention of ever setting up an appointment and took 12 emails to establish that fact has, in fact—contacted me under eleven different email accounts. I finally figured out a common thread to all of them, and hopefully I'll be able to block him from now on. The point is—it's wasted time, and it's my time that's being wasted. And because he's spending all this time on HIS end doing this, I have to wonder whether or not he's trying to be more than just an annoyance. You never know.

 

Like ragazzolupo said, this thread was enjoyable. To me, this is what the board is about—asking questions and getting answers and other viewpoints to make this a more successful and fun occupation. And no, I've never hated escorting—in fact, JJ is one of the posters to whom I'm somewhat grateful for making me realize I'm actually incredibly lucky to be in this position—when I could be cleaning the toilets at some dive bar. But it's like other occupations in that sometimes you run into a dick—and not the tasty kind.

[josephga]

12 emails. you have more patients than me, 3 to 4 emails and I'm done. one thing that would eliminate allot of this is to be as detailed as possible in ads without saying anything that would be illegal and for clients to actually read the whole ad b4 asking questions. number 1 and 2 questions I get are what are your hours? what do you charge? both answered in my massage m4m and masseur finder ads. just having that would cut down on 2 emails cause god knows they can't ask it all in 1 lol

[Guest JackF]

12 emails. you have more patients than me, 3 to 4 emails and I'm done. one thing that would eliminate allot of this is to be as detailed as possible in ads without saying anything that would be illegal and for clients to actually read the whole ad b4 asking questions. number 1 and 2 questions I get are what are your hours? what do you charge? both answered in my massage m4m and masseur finder ads. just having that would cut down on 2 emails cause god knows they can't ask it all in 1 lol

 

 

I agree with josephga, to an extent. I sometimes cannot ask more than 1 question in an email because there are guys who use their phones to respond, therefore they feel only the need to give 1 sentence responses. Other times, if you ask more than 1 question, they only answer the first (or last) question, with no acknowledgement of the other questions. It can be quite frustrating, as I am very detailed in my emails and prefer to ask more than 1 question (or offer more than a 2-3 word response). In my opinion, MORE information can only help the arrangement go as smoothly as possible.

Nonetheless, I still see where you're coming from - I get those emails all the time, i.e. hours, rates, etc. and it can become quite frustrating.

[josephga]

normally I'll just answer the one or two questions then end with the following. thank you so much for your interest in my services any future questions or to book a session feel free to give me a call at .........

[maxwellissmart]

I agree with josephga, to an extent. I sometimes cannot ask more than 1 question in an email because there are guys who use their phones to respond, therefore they feel only the need to give 1 sentence responses. Other times, if you ask more than 1 question, they only answer the first (or last) question, with no acknowledgement of the other questions. It can be quite frustrating, as I am very detailed in my emails and prefer to ask more than 1 question (or offer more than a 2-3 word response). In my opinion, MORE information can only help the arrangement go as smoothly as possible.

Nonetheless, I still see where you're coming from - I get those emails all the time, i.e. hours, rates, etc. and it can become quite frustrating.

 

I really try to give as much info as possible without it being too much to digest or coming across like a contract waiting to be signed by all parties involved. I get frustrated at the unanswered questions as well—particularly when it's something basic like "tell me about yourself" or "tell me about your likes and dislikes" and Sully the Clown responds with "WANNA GET FUCKED." Seriously, would you say something like that to someone buying you a drink in a bar?

 

But then again, that becomes a way to weed out bad matches—if someone can't clearly tell me what they want, my thought is that I probably can't provide it and they should look somewhere else.

[corndog]

I get frustrated at the unanswered questions as well—particularly when it's something basic like "tell me about yourself" or "tell me about your likes and dislikes"

 

From my point of view (as a potential client) these particular questions are difficult...

 

When you say "tell me about yourself," are you asking for physical stats, like I might provide on a hookup site, or do you want to hear a happy story from my childhood?

 

And, when you say "tell me about your likes and dislikes," are you asking about sexual likes and dislikes, or should I say that "I like nice people and dislike playing games?" If I interpret this question in the sexual way, I feel like I take the risk of making the conversation too sexual and sending up red flags, but if I answer the question in the general lets-get-to-know-each-other-a-little way, I risk seeming coy or wasting time.

 

I'll repeat what others have said... this thread is excellent. When this board helps clients and escorts understand each others' point of view, it's doing a great service to everyone.

[josephga]

I think when a client asks a escort to tell them more about themselves they mean physical stats like on a hookup site. likes and dislikes they mean sexual likes and dislikes..

now if I client calls me and says so Joe tell me about yourself? with me that raises a red flag that they are looking more for a escort than a massage. I will start going into a speech about my services basically repeating my ad text back. only stat info I will give out is height and weight. since my dick and ass isn't part of the session i feel they have no business knowing anything about it.

[Guest JackF]

From my point of view (as a potential client) these particular questions are difficult...

 

When you say "tell me about yourself," are you asking for physical stats, like I might provide on a hookup site, or do you want to hear a happy story from my childhood?

 

And, when you say "tell me about your likes and dislikes," are you asking about sexual likes and dislikes, or should I say that "I like nice people and dislike playing games?" If I interpret this question in the sexual way, I feel like I take the risk of making the conversation too sexual and sending up red flags, but if I answer the question in the general lets-get-to-know-each-other-a-little way, I risk seeming coy or wasting time.

 

I'll repeat what others have said... this thread is excellent. When this board helps clients and escorts understand each others' point of view, it's doing a great service to everyone.

 

 

Very true and I see where you're coming from. There are tons of escorts out there who could really not give a single &$^# about what you do in your free time, hobbies, interests, etc. but I actually DO want you to share that with me. Often times, I feel like when I have to ask for that information multiple times, I'm "pulling teeth" just to get a little information out of you. I WANT to get to know you (besides in the sheets) so that part is very important to me, although many others don't give a rats ass. It gives us something to chat about when we do get together rather than sitting there silent, just staring at each other, ha.

 

Once we get past the basic information exchange between us, then I will sometimes ask for sexual preferences, just to get an idea.

 

Hope that helps clients see it from my personal point of view.

[maxwellissmart]

Very true and I see where you're coming from. There are tons of escorts out there who could really not give a single &$^# about what you do in your free time, hobbies, interests, etc. but I actually DO want you to share that with me. Often times, I feel like when I have to ask for that information multiple times, I'm "pulling teeth" just to get a little information out of you. I WANT to get to know you (besides in the sheets) so that part is very important to me, although many others don't give a rats ass. It gives us something to chat about when we do get together rather than sitting there silent, just staring at each other, ha.

 

Once we get past the basic information exchange between us, then I will sometimes ask for sexual preferences, just to get an idea.

 

Hope that helps clients see it from my personal point of view.

 

From my point of view (as a potential client) these particular questions are difficult...

 

When you say "tell me about yourself," are you asking for physical stats, like I might provide on a hookup site, or do you want to hear a happy story from my childhood?

 

And, when you say "tell me about your likes and dislikes," are you asking about sexual likes and dislikes, or should I say that "I like nice people and dislike playing games?" If I interpret this question in the sexual way, I feel like I take the risk of making the conversation too sexual and sending up red flags, but if I answer the question in the general lets-get-to-know-each-other-a-little way, I risk seeming coy or wasting time.

 

I'll repeat what others have said... this thread is excellent. When this board helps clients and escorts understand each others' point of view, it's doing a great service to everyone.

 

Considering the context and reason for which you've contacted me, an example of an appropriate answer to "Tell me about yourself" = "My name is George, and I'll be in town for the next couple of days on business. I'm a middle-aged married guy who needs to be discreet, and likes the company of other guys on occasion. I've hired escorts before, but I still get a little nervous—so please be patient with me."

 

"Likes/Dislikes" = "I'm looking for someone who is passionate and genuinely gets into being with another guy. It's important that both of us have a good time. I'd like you to be a take-charge kind of guy, while staying safe and sane."

 

I think clients (and escorts) should remember that the first couple of emails are meant to get the momentum going—so stick with information that an escort is going to need to 1) feel like you're a legitimate client and 2) conduct a successful appointment with you. The "happy childhood" memory story doesn't really fit here. It DOES however, fit nicely into the scheme of things when we're wrapped up in each other later on. That's when you can tell me anything you want and I'll be happy to listen.

[Guest JackF]

Considering the context and reason for which you've contacted me, an example of an appropriate answer to "Tell me about yourself" = "My name is George, and I'll be in town for the next couple of days on business. I'm a middle-aged married guy who needs to be discreet, and likes the company of other guys on occasion. I've hired escorts before, but I still get a little nervous—so please be patient with me."

 

"Likes/Dislikes" = "I'm looking for someone who is passionate and genuinely gets into being with another guy. It's important that both of us have a good time. I'd like you to be a take-charge kind of guy, while staying safe and sane."

 

I think clients (and escorts) should remember that the first couple of emails are meant to get the momentum going—so stick with information that an escort is going to need to 1) feel like you're a legitimate client and 2) conduct a successful appointment with you. The "happy childhood" memory story doesn't really fit here. It DOES however, fit nicely into the scheme of things when we're wrapped up in each other later on. That's when you can tell me anything you want and I'll be happy to listen.

 

 

 

Couldn't have said it better myself, maxwell, that's exactly along the lines of what I was trying to say/imply, but obviously couldn't put it into words, haha. That for me is an ideal client contact & email exchange.

[josephga]

wait until yall start getting calls from guys asking if they can come over and suck your dick for 25.00 lol

[maxwellissmart]

Couldn't have said it better myself, maxwell, that's exactly along the lines of what I was trying to say/imply, but obviously couldn't put it into words, haha. That for me is an ideal client contact & email exchange.

 

No, you did just fine, J.

 

Check out my new post and tell me how scammy that one sounds.

 

[maxwellissmart]

wait until yall start getting calls from guys asking if they can come over and suck your dick for 25.00 lol

 

Yeah, the a la carte guys annoy the piss out of me. "How much you gonna charge if I just suck yore dick? TWO HUNNERD DOLLARS? JUST TO SUCK YORE DICK??!! (insert argument how street hustlers only charge 1/3 as much and blah blah blah blah blah)

[Bart]

This has been an excellent thread because of the give and take among several gentlemen, I find that alone highly unusual and refreshing. That was the point of this whole segment of the forum and I commend the gentlemen who have responded here and Mr Smart thanks for turning a typical JJ response into a cute positive reply.

 

I am actually surprised you responded to the person's inquiry. Way back when I first thought of procuring a gentleman's service I did my research, still only scratched the surface but a place to start, I was informed asking vague open-ended questions will get you nowhere. The best inquiries are those that are direct, give an honest description of yourself, the purpose of your inquiry, date, time, length and location. What I have learned to add is what I am looking for in the gentlemen and I specifically ask if he has any limitations. This gets to the point of gentlemen who check boxes without thinking. The gentleman can lie but I usually go into inquiries everyone is on the up-and-up.

 

The one part of the inquiry I would use but rephrase it to a general statement "I am looking for gentlemen who enjoy sex and like to have fun." I am hopeful this gets rid of the gay-for-pay crowd. I know you are getting paid, just dont like having it thrown in my face. Like gentlemen, my inquiries are meant to weed out those I have no interest in despite a hot ad. So often I will receive a response, "so when do you want to meet and what are you into to?" I actually respond "all that was in my request." I do consider the gentleman as unacceptable as he does not have the skill to read or take time and effort before responding. Since my inquiries usually involve some sort of travel on my part or the gentlemans there has to be some effort in the set-up and very rarely is it a 24 hour turn-around usually a couple of days. Some gentlemen dont like that but that is my preference.

 

What I dislike the most is gentlemen who respond positively to all, including no hesitation on limitations-none and then we meet and open with "So what are you into?" Really, I just wasted my time in the set-up. Your job to keep the emails as notes like setting up meeting with any potential client. Then you get a response like "Oh I dont kiss," given I am usually chewing gum and rinsed with mouth wash just prior to arrival, not my issue.

 

Anyway enjoyed the thread and please continue to provide content for this forum.

[Bart]

Jack is there a point to putting a link in your signature that does not work? Your rentboy escort ad link is a dead one.

But I will say your other links look mighty fine and I do enjoy your responses on here.

[Guest JackF]

Jack is there a point to putting a link in your signature that does not work? Your rentboy escort ad link is a dead one.

But I will say your other links look mighty fine and I do enjoy your responses on here.

 

 

Bart - you caught me before I had time to remove it! haha, I actually received an email this morning that said that particular ad has expired, which would explain why it doesn't work. I am now going to remove it from my profile to save you from clicking on a dead link, my apologies. Thanks for bringing it to my attention :-)

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The polite version: "Thank you for contacting me. I really enjoy what I do. The rates for my time are listed on my website. Let me know if you have any further questions or wish to book some private time. I can be reached at ..."

 

The 'bad boy' version: "Fuck man ... I love my job. Bring your ass up here. Standard rates apply." [/color]