The death of common courtesy

[Michael Wayne]

When a client communicates with a potential new escort he should at least offer his first name. I am getting SLAMMED with texts with no name and NO HELLO OR HI OR HEY! They just say ,"How big are you?" or , "Available?," or ,"Available," or , "Into?" Now, I do book from text unlike some of you because alot of texters are very serious and real clients. ALSO: when you go to a client's home or hotel in the old days the client would always offer you a drink and a shower afterwards as a matter of common courtesy but, alas, no more. over half the time I am not offered any beverage and not even offered a shower. It is not that the client is unhappy. they are usually thrilled, but, for whatever reasons when with an escort the things that are commonly practiced in modern society are forgotten. When I do an in call I ALWAYS offer the client a drink and a shower. just my question of the day to CLIENTS and fellow PROS??? http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[jjkrkwood]

When a client communicates with a potential new escort he should at least offer his first name. I am getting SLAMMED with texts with no name and NO HELLO OR HI OR HEY! They just say ,"How big are you?" or , "Available?," or ,"Available," or , "Into?" Now, I do book from text unlike some of you because alot of texters are very serious and real clients. ALSO: when you go to a client's home or hotel in the old days the client would always offer you a drink and a shower afterwards as a matter of common courtesy but, alas, no more. over half the time I am not offered any beverage and not even offered a shower. It is not that the client is unhappy. they are usually thrilled, but, for whatever reasons when with an escort the things that are commonly practiced in modern society are forgotten. When I do an in call I ALWAYS offer the client a drink and a shower. just my question of the day to CLIENTS and fellow PROS??? http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

 

Although courtesy SHOULD be extended in every aspect of life, HIRING is considered a cut-n-dried Business Deal. Quick in, Quick out.... Other than sessions that are multi-hour or extended over days, the typical is 1 hr. I suspect the client feels its all about the Sex, they are paying for TIME, and there is NO time for pleasantries... When you think about it, the client is the one paying for the session, so he should be able to orchestrate it anyway he chooses. Yes, it does make the escort seem like a commodity, but thats the nature of the biz. And as far as communication, the advent of internet and text has limited society to reduced speech. Short and sweet, make your point and move on... It aint the olden days anymore where communication was an "ART".... You are lucky if you actually get WORDS and not symbols. ;-)

[SteveEscort]

when you go to a client's home or hotel in the old days the client would always offer you a drink and a shower afterwards as a matter of common courtesy but, alas, no more.

 

Back in the late 90's when i first started doing this I used to have wine, squash, juice, tea and coffee ready for clients. They could even have a beer and a glass of wine and often it was offered the other way around too. I always offer clients a shower before and after, but I think it's rare you get it offered in their own homes/hotel.

 

I've only been to one client ever who insisted on me showering in his home beforehand because he didn't trust escorts to do it before they arrived. I found it a bit bizarre but I could see his point. I always expect clients to be clean when they arrive but hence, what I expect and what I get are two completely different realities.

 

Nowadays I have a chilled jug of filtered water with fresh lemon by the side of the bed, I will admit that I don't do the wine/tea/coffee thing anymore because I have noticed in the last few years that, especially on incall, the clients want to come in, get down to business and get on with their day. That's fine by me.

 

I get the phone calls too Mikey where they say "Details" or "Services" as their opening line and I usually say "Ignorant" and hang up I can't be doing with bad manners.

 

I don't accept appointments by text unless he's known to me, then it's fine with me. I always speak to every first time client in person. Even if it's just when he checks into the hotel. I never give out my address to texters, I make them get to my street and ring. No text and if they do text asking for the apartment number I will call them back. I've had too many timewasters in the past by text and if a client is genuine then he will phone.

[instudiocity]

I don't think I offer the plumber any refreshments when he comes calling because he's made it clear that he's charging me $85/per hour. I don't really want to pay him to eat or drink.

 

At the same time, I remember visiting folks and being offered food and drink even if it wasn't during a normal meal time. One person in my life always greeted you with "Did you eat?" I visited him in a classroom at a school. He had a pantry and refrigerator in the classroom. After the about the 5th time I visited him, I realized he was teaching in a ghetto school and many of his students came to class hungry either because they hadn't eaten at home or had not desired to eat the school furnished free lunch. He recognized that he wasn't going to get their best performance in class until he had met their basic physical needs. It's hard to inspire a mind when the stomach's empty. After I came to that realization, I started carrying boxes of single serving snacks to that man. He looked at me the first time I did it and said, "Now you understand." It became a part of our friendship.

 

So, I don't know about the death of common courtesy so much as it is recognizing a situation - while escorting isn't plumbing - it's still personal and if you're mindset is "let's get this job finished within in the hour, because I don't want to be up-charged", you ain't gonna offer coffee, tea, or me - you just going offer me!

[SteveEscort]

 

So, I don't know about the death of common courtesy so much as it is recognizing a situation - while escorting isn't plumbing - it's still personal and if you're mindset is "let's get this job finished within in the hour, because I don't want to be up-charged", you ain't gonna offer coffee, tea, or me - you just going offer me!

 

I somewhat agree and somewhat don't. If for example you booked an hour with me and we were having a good time and you hadn't cum within the hour, I'd let it over run a bit (not for hours) but if it meant giving you an extra 15 mins for nothing so be it. I want my clientele to come back and have an experience rather than a set time. I would never stop a session because we've fun out of time and I think most other quality escorts wouldn't either. We don't like clients expecting to pay for an hour and getting an hour and a half but any sensible escort recognises a genuine client

 

I've only once called time on a client when he booked me for 4 hours to London and I had to get a specific train or my ticket wasn't valid. He's had 4 hours and if my ticket was flexible I would have stayed another 30 minutes but he wanted me to buy the cheapest available ticket which meant specific trains. He was disappointed but if I had stayed back it would have cost me £100 to get home

[maxwellissmart]

This thread has touched on several aspects of courtesy...

 

Mikey: I get texts like that all the time, and I realize part of it is that someone is driving, or they have a character limit and they want to get their meaning across. I usually try to text them back with questions that get their info as quickly as possible, because I understand they may be under a time constraint or with someone who wouldn't appreciate them texting an escort to set up an appointment. And then there are the dicks who continue to give 1-word responses to my questions, or ask bullshit like: "pics?" or "into?" which serves no purpose whatsoever. You saw my profile in order to get my contact number, it has my pics and states what I'm "into" there. While I have gotten some clients from texts and now some of my regular clients just text me to set something up, most clients email first.

 

JJ: I disagree. Plenty of my clients have time for details and pleasantries—I almost always get some sort of compliment in the initial M4RN email, and I always respond back to that. And because my clients skew older, most of them don't text. I always send a thank you (unless it's a client I never want to see again) and I almost always get one back—if they haven't already beat me to the punch and sent one before I get back home.

 

Instudio: I have never started upcharging time because we ran over an hour UNLESS: 1) the client is an asshole or someone I normally refuse to see and am only doing the appointment for the money, 2) a coupon-clipper, 3) a "business-only" type who refuses to loosen up and have fun, or 4) someone who is obviously milking the time and refusing to come, because they want to continue. And even then, I might add only $20 to the charge, depending on the amount of time. Most of the time I give discounts for multi-hour appointments—I almost never charge a flat rate times a multiplier.

 

Steve: Yeah, I used to do the same thing—especially with massage. I went for the whole "spa" treatment, and realized good candles are expensive. And some guys don't want that frou-frou anyway—they want to get fucked over the sofa as soon as they come in the door. Or out in the woods with dogwalkers (damn, you get ALL the fun clients!) I've never had someone insist I shower beforehand (many clients want me NOT to), but I've subtly suggested that someone who wasn't "fresh" jump into the shower with me so I could clean them up first.

[+ Archer]

ALSO: when you go to a client's home or hotel in the old days the client would always offer you a drink and a shower afterwards as a matter of common courtesy but, alas, no more. over half the time I am not offered any beverage and not even offered a shower.

 

They don't offer you a shower? Showering with a guy after the fact is half the fun for me. Maybe I'm strange, but I love to wash a guy after sex and have him wash me.

[Phil_musc]

Interesting post, Mikey. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's always good to hear what's going on and learn from others.

[Bosguy]

Unfortunately, this is not only in our client/escort world, it's everywhere. In the last 4 months I was fortunate to have 3 working guys and 2 fellow clients stay with me for extended periods of time. I feel, as host, that it is proper for me to provide to my guests those things (food, beverages, etc.) that make people feel comfortable during their stay. Guess that's the old fashioned side of me, but people really appreciate it and it makes our visits much more special

 

Boston Bill

[Epigonos]

I think a lot has to do with the age of the client and the amount of time he as arranged to spend with the escort. Last Friday evening I met with an escort for the first time. We met at my hotel when out to a nearby steakhouse for dinner and then returned to my room. In the room I had a bottle of wine which we shared, talked awhile, and then adjourned to the bedroom. Now I am older (71) and I never hire for less than dinner or lunch and a couple of hours of play time.

[maxwellissmart]

I think a lot has to do with the age of the client and the amount of time he as arranged to spend with the escort. Last Friday evening I met with an escort for the first time. We met at my hotel when out to a nearby steakhouse for dinner and then returned to my room. In the room I had a bottle of wine which we shared, talked awhile, and then adjourned to the bedroom. Now I am older (71) and I never hire for less than dinner or lunch and a couple of hours of play time.

 

I used to do dinner a lot—now not so much. Even so, I am ALWAYS offered something to drink by a client staying in a hotel room. And I would say 75% or more clients want to get cleaned up with a shower together afterwards if I suggest it—I think they think the clock dings "done" after they come. It doesn't.

[SteveEscort]

75% or more clients want to get cleaned up with a shower together afterwards if I suggest it—I think they think the clock dings "done" after they come. It doesn't.

 

For some reason I would say 75% of guys in hotels don't offer me a drink

[maxwellissmart]

For some reason I would say 75% of guys in hotels don't offer me a drink

 

I think it's a cultural thing. My clients from the south tend to be much friendlier and open and slower-paced than the ones from the north, especially the northeast—who are much more "let's get this going." Having come from a smaller city to a much larger one, my foray into escorting here took me some time to get used to.

[SteveEscort]

I think it's a cultural thing. My clients from the south tend to be much friendlier and open and slower-paced than the ones from the north, especially the northeast—who are much more "let's get this going." Having come from a smaller city to a much larger one, my foray into escorting here took me some time to get used to.

 

Completely agree. I pass work onto a fellow local escort sometimes, when I am holiday etc and when he's phoned to thank me a few days later he will say something like, oh he's such a gentleman, wine and nibbles to the room and I think what, I just get a f**k and then other times I've had lovely clients who take their time with the appointment and his experience is wham bam thank you mam.

 

Clients are totally different with different escorts in the same area

[maxwellissmart]

Clients are totally different with different escorts in the same area

 

Ain't that the truth? I have shared clients with several escorts—some of the clients have been forthcoming with this information, and at other times I've found out through the escort. More often than not, my being friendly and open with the client has worked to my favor—another escort might say: "yes, he's nice enough, but he only gave me $___ and we only see each other every couple of months."

 

The reason why they only see him every couple of months is because he gives me twice what he gives you and sees me once or twice a week.

 

And of course this has its flipside too, where I've agreed to see a client because the other escort talked about how wonderful they were—and it was awful and they were cheap.

[jjkrkwood]

I think a lot has to do with the age of the client and the amount of time he as arranged to spend with the escort. Last Friday evening I met with an escort for the first time. We met at my hotel when out to a nearby steakhouse for dinner and then returned to my room. In the room I had a bottle of wine which we shared, talked awhile, and then adjourned to the bedroom. Now I am older (71) and I never hire for less than dinner or lunch and a couple of hours of play time.

 

Well epig, you ARE a big spender, and I think your hires recognize that, and are therefore happy to indulge you. However, I am the 1 hr type client, so in cases like MINE, i believe the escort just wants to get in and out with the least amount of "fluff" ??? Even if I am a return client, the most he is making is his 1 hr fee, so I really wouldnt expect him to want to bother with anything but the mission at hand. I guess you can call it a "NO FRILLS" session. ?

[cany10011]

The last time i hired a new escort, he tried to push me to do 2 hours to extend his rate. I gracefully declined as I didn't want to commit to spending extra time with someone i've never met before. As soon as he entered the door, he started removing his clothes and looked at me funny when I stopped him and offered him a chair and something to drink. We chatted for a 15 minutes or so before I was rarin' to go. Afterwards, he remarked how shocked he was that I didn't jump his bones as soon as he walked in. He said something to the effect that it was unusual for him to chit chat idly with someone for a one hour appointment.

[maxwellissmart]

The last time i hired a new escort, he tried to push me to do 2 hours to extend his rate.

 

I have never done that. In fact, when time goes over significantly—it's usually my fault for being a non-clockwatching non-clockwatcher.

[Guest countryboywny]

It really bugs me to read all these horror stories. To the OP.. common courtesy is not dead, at least not for me. I only see guys that are well reviewed and possess the qualities that I desire. I've never had a bad situation, and quite frankly with the guys I see, extending "common" courtesy is easy, and receiving it back is easier!

[instudiocity]

This thread has touched on several aspects of courtesy...

 

Instudio: I have never started upcharging time because we ran over an hour UNLESS: 1) the client is an asshole or someone I normally refuse to see and am only doing the appointment for the money, 2) a coupon-clipper, 3) a "business-only" type who refuses to loosen up and have fun, or 4) someone who is obviously milking the time and refusing to come, because they want to continue. And even then, I might add only $20 to the charge, depending on the amount of time. Most of the time I give discounts for multi-hour appointments—I almost never charge a flat rate times a multiplier.

I always start off my contact with an escort with a question about his rate - "Is your rate a by-the-hour rate, or for a session of about an hour?" I've had some wonderful responses from - 'I charge for the second hour after 15 minutes.' to 'Dude, we'll go until you bust a nut!' Can you guess which one of those I chose? I prefer to call it a session. I'm not an evening hirer or an overnight hirer, and frankly, I don't want to be guy #X in a day of 4 or 5. Leave me in the dark as to how many guys you've done today. I'll choose to overlook the full hamper in the bathroom. For just a few minutes - 30-75 - I'd like your undivided attention, all for a flat rate.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Plumbers Are People Too . . .

 

I don't think I offer the plumber any refreshments when he comes calling because he's made it clear that he's charging me $85/per hour. I don't really want to pay him to eat or drink.

 

I may be in the minority - though not when the plumber/electrician/carpenter/etc come through the door - but if they have been working a while I do offer water/soda or juice. I've had workman who start at 7:30am and skipped lunch around 2pm would make them a sandwich/snack - They worked better thereafter seemed more focused and did not charge me for the down time - in fact I think some may have trimmed a few bucks off the bill.

 

And in the Summer - in the heat - I will always offer cold water when a the worker arrives as well as a cold bottle to take onto their next gig.

 

Just because you are paying someone for a service does not relieve you of the obligations of courtesy/decency and to treat others how you would like to be treated.

 

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[Michael Wayne]

amazing answers guys, really! Our hot friend from across the pond and I share the same experiences. His experiences are the norm while those of you who still practice proper manners, sadly, are the exceptions. Yall are the ones we want to see!! Now, jj's answer and the remark about the plumber do honestly reflect the state of the biz now in 2012. I will answer by saying that as a top I fuck better when I am hydrated. i also fuck better if we share a cocktail or two beforehand and smalltalk a bit- just a bit, or enjoy a relaxing massage first. I also get nasty when I fuck cause I give it my all so a mutual shower afterwards is nice. On the time issue i really want to set the record straight: I DO NOT CHARGE FOR GOING OVERTIME!!!!!!!!!!!! Please yall clients realize that just because some arrogant rentboy with an attitude upcharged you for going 15 minutes over does not mean that everyone will. I find no higher compliment or flattery than when some doctor, lawyer, or ceo or business owner thinks enough of little ol me to sit down and have a conversation and a drink and a shower with me. I like to get to know my clients. I like to be appreciated for the head on my shoulders and not just my dick head! Also, I DO NOT charge for lunch or dinner. If a clients likes me enough to ask me to lunch or dinner it is really appreciated and is included in the hour or two hour rate. This type of customer service is how you get a good reputation and good reviews. It is also how one develops longevity in the biz. It is all about repeats and regulars and you young escorts ought to listen to wise old obi-wan -kenobi on this one ....hopefully the ewan McGegor version and not the Alec Guiness version..lol! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1