Slim Pickings At Agencies

[RexAll]

I think I noticed a few weeks ago that Dave at Man to Man was advertising on this Forum for some new guys. I looked at his site today, the number he has is down. Now they were all very nice, but the number is down.

 

So then I looked over at Maximum. Stephen seems to be going through a dry period too. Used to be- at least 3/4 of his guys had the physiques of Charles Atlas. They looked special compared to a lot of the muscular guys on Rentboy or M4RN. Now there are only 13 on the site. And in general are not quite as muscular as I would like. I'd like someone in between Logan and the guys on his site now in muscularity. There was a guy- several months ago- really hunky body and hairy- him I would have hired depending on a face picture.

 

Then I looked at Premier- well it's been a lost cause for years if you want handsome, muscular, bottom/versatile guys.

 

What's a guy to do when a large proportion of the pretty eye candy is gone.

 

Rex

[+ glutes]

 

What's a guy to do when a large proportion of the pretty eye candy is gone.

 

Rex

 

 

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[MichiganMan]

That said.... Maximum apparently doesn't need new customers! I have called TWICE in the last two days trying to schedule a meeting with one of there guys....no return call.....voted best agency.....I hate to see what the "worst" is like!

[adriano46]

I think I noticed a few weeks ago that Dave at Man to Man was advertising on this Forum for some new guys. I looked at his site today, the number he has is down. Now they were all very nice, but the number is down.

 

So then I looked over at Maximum. Stephen seems to be going through a dry period too. Used to be- at least 3/4 of his guys had the physiques of Charles Atlas. They looked special compared to a lot of the muscular guys on Rentboy or M4RN. Now there are only 13 on the site. And in general are not quite as muscular as I would like. I'd like someone in between Logan and the guys on his site now in muscularity. There was a guy- several months ago- really hunky body and hairy- him I would have hired depending on a face picture.

 

Then I looked at Premier- well it's been a lost cause for years if you want handsome, muscular, bottom/versatile guys.

 

What's a guy to do when a large proportion of the pretty eye candy is gone.

 

Rex

 

Aside from Glutes' RX, I agree with you on this -- I stopped using agencies (which were my preferred method of hiring for years) because I found the quality and number of guys available just not worth the effort. I imagine part of this is that with sigtes like RENTBOY, RENTMEN, M4MESCORTS etc... a guy makes a heck of a lot more oney advertising without the middleman. After all, if you advertise on Rentboy and are putting it out there for $275/hr -- but working for an agency such as MAXIMUM where you pay your "madam" about 35%-45% of the take, which wold you choose in order to make money?

 

I used to like both MAXIMUM in NY and PREMIER in Philly, but now neither of them seems to have anything that would appeal to my taste (and I used Premium for the last time last summer for a very boring 2 hours made worse by a kitten (yeah, I do not like pussy) under the bed the whole time meowing while the mother cat was outside the door trying to get into the room. After this awful session, as I left I ran into two more of their stable of guys -- they looked like boys suffering from anorexia. Just not my type. (And both CAMPUS and CHELSEABOYS in NYC are worse, with Chelsea just not there for responding to inquiries, and CAMPUS seeming to get their guys from some speciality shop on very thin twinks).

[+ Shoreboy]

Poor Premier in Philly has been going down hill for some time now...same old worn out escorts and hardly a new, young face amongst them.

 

Pity, it used to be such a great agency but their listings are now older and for me, unappealing

[SteveEscort]

That said.... Maximum apparently doesn't need new customers! I have called TWICE in the last two days trying to schedule a meeting with one of there guys....no return call.....voted best agency.....I hate to see what the "worst" is like!

 

I work with an agency too over here in the UK and I get some work off them but not much. It's primarily a female escort agency but they do have gay guys. I probably only get about 4-5 appointments a year off them but it's 4-5 appointments I wouldn't have. They've tried to represent more gay guys to try and built that side up but most clients like to ring gay escorts direct for some reason.

[down_to_business]

It's a very common business theme, to cut out the middleman. The agencies can't compete on price. I also know many people who won't use an agency period (for other reasons including the fear of their records being subject to subpoena). I personally have never been a fan of sharing my private information with someone who won't share their private information with me.

 

I also agree that based on the pics of what agencies are offering at sites like premier-- there is nothing that interests me.

[adriano46]

I work with an agency too over here in the UK and I get some work off them but not much. It's primarily a female escort agency but they do have gay guys. I probably only get about 4-5 appointments a year off them but it's 4-5 appointments I wouldn't have. They've tried to represent more gay guys to try and built that side up but most clients like to ring gay escorts direct for some reason.

 

Steve, in Europe I have often mistrusted those mostly female agencies that have one or two gay escorts. Seems like a hustle. My favorite years ago in UK was SUITED AND BOOTED - they had the best of the best whenever I was in London; sadly now, that agency is gone. If someone started something up of that quality again...

[Michael Wayne]

I think the agency is going the way of print ads and the fly in overnight. It is a fossil from the past passed by the new favored way of the independent male escort. Things change in every business and ours is no exception. Clients today do not want to pay agency fees- plain and simple. There are other reasons as well.....I used to operate the largest male to male agency in TEXAS and we did amazing but very few can compete with rentboy and menforrentnow. It is like: why fly someone in when you know he will eventually come there at his expense on tour? same premise.... http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1 (and save the agency fee!!) I am my own agent

[MichiganMan]

Well....I don't know what I am doing wrong...I have $1500.00 on the table for an "overnight" when I'm NYC this weekend...NO TAKERS...the hotel I am staying at near LaGuardia is "too far"...things are BOOMING in NYC

[+ bigjoey]

Too bad about Maximum not returning your calls. They have Ross who I have hired for many years and he is one of the best in NYC; he does not work independently so it is through the agancy or nothing.

[Kevin Slater]

Well....I don't know what I am doing wrong...I have $1500.00 on the table for an "overnight" when I'm NYC this weekend...NO TAKERS...the hotel I am staying at near LaGuardia is "too far"...things are BOOMING in NYC

 

Yup, most guys won't go that far. Why not go to him instead?

 

Kevin Slater

[robberbaron4u]

David Forest and Simon Dexter have been picking, of late, from modelmayhem.com. I have rumour that the toast of the season at London was a youthful model, a high-school track star possessed of patrician good looks, who was solicited by Dexter from its pages.

[EZEtoGRU]

I agree that, for the most part, agencies seem to provide little added value these days. There are too many ways to make direct contact and view much larger selections through the internet sites.

 

One exception, however, might be in very large markets (ie NYC or LA) where there is a large population of wealthy upscale gay men living or visiting. I do see a potential there for a very exclusive companion agency that carries top notch guys who do not advertise elsewhere. Very select DL escorts for very select DL clients. I am not aware that this exists today......but I do see a niche for this sort of thing.

[MichiganMan]

Kevin...you must be joking....ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS for an OVERNIGHT and they won't travel that far (what...9-10 miles....maybee a 30-50 dollar cab fare).....BOY, am I out of touch with reality!!!

[SteveEscort]

Steve, in Europe I have often mistrusted those mostly female agencies that have one or two gay escorts. Seems like a hustle. My favorite years ago in UK was SUITED AND BOOTED - they had the best of the best whenever I was in London; sadly now, that agency is gone. If someone started something up of that quality again...

 

The one I am with is fine, I've become good friends with one of their female escorts who lives just around the corner from me, if anything I have gained a nice little friend who comes out for a bottle of wine with me once or twice a week. Some agencies are well run, others arn't. This one has been around 12 years

[Gar1eth]

Speaking of Maximum- their guys still look hunky- but the ones on there currently don't stop me in my tracks the way some a few years ago did. But speaking of that, does anyone know what happened to Hans Hintern- German porn star who Maximum used to represent. I don't know whether he was a good escort, but I used to drool over his pictures.

 

Next question- Ross at Maximum- you can tell he is a handsome guy. But at least from his current pictures- he doesn't look 'extra special'. I don't mean anything bad by that. I am truly asking for information. Are the pictures not as good as they could be- or is it his personality- and the way he makes his clients feel- physically and emotionally- that sets him apart?

 

Thanks,

 

Gman

[JT Brooklyn]

I think the whole idea of "Hiring a Working Guy" has changed and the stigma has definitely been lifted alot!

 

Therefore discretion not having to be what it was for year's...doing away with the "Middle Man/Agency" has proved to be a slump in their Biz which they probably will never recover from. They have served the guys getting into the Biz as a "Working Guy 101"..BUT the smart ones go SOLO as soon as possible..$$$

[MrBigTL]

I have been hiring for a long time, and I simply never used an agency. I never liked the middle man and the fact that my personal information was being stored somewhere and in someone's files in a location that I really knew nothing about, and I have never liked paying a middle man. Now days I imgaine that most people see no reason to go through an agency when it is so easy to use the internet. Social clubs and organizations have dissolved due to the internet, I doubt agencies will last much longer unless they can come up with a value added reason for them to stay in business.

[SteveEscort]

I doubt agencies will last much longer unless they can come up with a value added reason for them to stay in business.

 

I disagree. Most agencies get their work from cold calling guys in hotels who want someone to come over in an hour. Try and find an independent gay escort who will do that. Ringing one agency and getting someone around in an hour is much easier than ringing 10 guys, 6 with their phone off, two busy working and the other two having time off.

 

Agencies have their place in this industry and some do very very well.

[Guest countryboywny]

Well....I don't know what I am doing wrong...I have $1500.00 on the table for an "overnight" when I'm NYC this weekend...NO TAKERS...the hotel I am staying at near LaGuardia is "too far"...things are BOOMING in NYC

 

Too far? It's a $50. cab ride for 30 mins. from Manhattan.. There must be some other reason because I'd ride out for a $1,500. overnight any day. (of course, I have to find someone into old fat guys!) LOL

[seeker630]

I disagree. Most agencies get their work from cold calling guys in hotels who want someone to come over in an hour. Try and find an independent gay escort who will do that. Ringing one agency and getting someone around in an hour is much easier than ringing 10 guys, 6 with their phone off, two busy working and the other two having time off.

 

Agencies have their place in this industry and some do very very well.

 

Steve, just to clarify what to me is ambiguous language - I assume you are saying that most agencies get their business from guys who are cold-calling them for a quick appointment? (When I first read it, I though you were saying the agencies are cold-calling.)

 

I agree that a good agency CAN expedite setting things up. IOn my last trip to NYC, Maximum ewas unavailable when I started contacting guys for an appointment about 4 days out. When the days arrived, one guy cancelled and another stopped responding to my my emails. I had to scramble to find replacements, with only some success.

In my dealign with Maximum, I never had an issue with guys not showing up.

 

Also, a GOOD agency has vetted their guys and can be relied upon to provide recommendations on the basis of personal knowledge.

 

But, as some others have said, I think the internet and mobile phones (and perhaps a lesser concern with stigmatization on the part of younger guys) are making it difficult for agencies to survive.

[RockHard]

Greedy bloodsuckers.

 

I have never been a fan of "agents" of any kind, and really dislike dealing with that "personality." From my experience, there are VERY FEW agents who are worth their weight in gold. I find most to be blood-sucking leaches who live off the talents of others, striking forceful poses with fake power, while robbing their clients blind. A famous celebrity warned me over 30 years ago to never trust my money or my career with anyone.

 

I have no experience with any gay escort agency, and I do not know any of the people who run them. It seems to me, unless an "agent" has access to a very large international network of wealthy gay men, and can provide great photos, marketing, anonymity, and health care to its "employees," why bother.

 

Gay men can be very flaky and very cheap. Gay men who dabble in escorting can be the most flaky. Gay business owners need a special talent and a whole lot of patience to deal with flaky gays. I can't tolerate working with flaky people.

 

Gay male escorting does not bring in the enormous sums that straight women escorts can command (be sure to see "Client 9" for an eye-opening look at the underground world of straight escorting). I see an awful lot of work for very little benefit. No wonder phone calls aren't returned.

 

I have $1500.00 on the table for an "overnight"...the hotel I am staying at near LaGuardia is "too far"...things are BOOMING in NYC

 

I doubt things are booming, but this is the city of divas. $1500 for an overnight near LaGuardia sounds about as exciting as an enema session with Purplekow. Up that figure to $5,000 and I'm sure you'll find some takers.

[SteveEscort]

Steve, just to clarify what to me is ambiguous language

 

Yes I meant guys cold calling an agency, in other words a guy in hotel who has never used the agency before or seen any of their guys/girls etc and takes their recommendation.

[JT Brooklyn]

I disagree. Most agencies get their work from cold calling guys in hotels who want someone to come over in an hour. Try and find an independent gay escort who will do that. Ringing one agency and getting someone around in an hour is much easier than ringing 10 guys, 6 with their phone off, two busy working and the other two having time off.

 

Agencies have their place in this industry and some do very very well.

 

"Same Day" Agency Service may work in some places BUT in some Markets I think it would not. That's another reason "no middle man" makes sense...