Why Do Guys Make Advanced Appointments They Have No Intention Of Keeping

[SteveEscort]

I had one in for last Friday, he didn't confirm and when I sent a text asking if he still wanted 4pm he said he'd simply forgot and "maybe another time". How do they just simply forget. It's more "maybe another number to keep stored"

 

I had one in for 10am this morning, so I got up early, got my boudoir ready and he never phoned for directions and I am waiting on a 7pm tonight to confirm in later, god knows whether he will or not.

 

I also had a tosser phone yesterday who booked in advance a few months ago and didn't confirm on the day. I pulled him about it and he denied he'd ever phoned me in the past, strange that I had his number stored and it was in my diary. Anyway I was grocery shopping and said yes I could see him but it would be in 40 minutes time and to make his way to my area. Great, he said we'll do that. He phoned 10 minutes later saying he was at the top of my street, which bit of 40 mins didn't he understand. He then made some verbal insults down the phone and so I cut him off

 

Guys who think us escorts have an easy life don't realise what sort of daily shit we get from men who should learn a few manners.

[josephga]

They don't care. They don't get that this is a job not something you do for fun or to get laid but a job. I had a few guys get massages and while doing the massage ask me what do I do for a living? hello dumb ass I'm a licensed massage therapist that is my job lol I rarely get no shows. But Will get guys that will book same day then cancel 10 minutes. later. I think in allot of cases its guys that just chicken out. most of the time 90% of the ones that call or text me book and show. Emails rarely work for me maybe 25% of those book. they normally won't include a phone number with the email which is fine if just asking questions or checking for a availability, But soon as I tell them all appointments are finalized by phone and that number can't be blocked those never email back.

[maxwellissmart]

I had one in for last Friday, he didn't confirm and when I sent a text asking if he still wanted 4pm he said he'd simply forgot and "maybe another time". How do they just simply forget. It's more "maybe another number to keep stored"

 

I had one in for 10am this morning, so I got up early, got my boudoir ready and he never phoned for directions and I am waiting on a 7pm tonight to confirm in later, god knows whether he will or not.

 

I also had a tosser phone yesterday who booked in advance a few months ago and didn't confirm on the day. I pulled him about it and he denied he'd ever phoned me in the past, strange that I had his number stored and it was in my diary. Anyway I was grocery shopping and said yes I could see him but it would be in 40 minutes time and to make his way to my area. Great, he said we'll do that. He phoned 10 minutes later saying he was at the top of my street, which bit of 40 mins didn't he understand. He then made some verbal insults down the phone and so I cut him off

 

Guys who think us escorts have an easy life don't realise what sort of daily shit we get from men who should learn a few manners.

 

I never (well, rarely) take appointments more than a week ahead seriously. Even with established clients—I have had more than I can count who think that my having seen them before gives them license to suddenly cancel at the last minute, or worse still, not cancel at all and send a later email: "hey man, I'll make it up to you." There are a number of solutions, but sometimes those cause more problems. You can double-book, at the risk of pissing someone off. You can bait-switch, and move someone to another day or an earlier/later time because of something that has "come up" and take the other client who is not as flexible. As I've said before in another thread, if you're turning down a lot of appointments for a particular slot—you're doing yourself a disservice. Figure out a way to take an appointment before or after the other one, and if one is a no-show then you have some consolation with the other ones. And stick to your guns about confirmations and contact information—if they don't do what you want, cancel. As far as booking out a block of time for an overnight/weekend—that's a risk you have to decide whether or not to take. Personally I don't like extended appointments unless the client is truly exceptional, and by "exceptional" I mean "interesting" or "fun." I'd rather have 2-3 appointments spaced during a day than a demanding overnighter who wants me to PERFORM PERFORM PERFORM, or is boring or a jerk. It's just like waiting tables—sometimes the singletons are the hot, generous businessmen and the 12-top is secretaries who want water with lemon and separate checks.

 

Oh, and never ever buy something ahead of time for a client. If it's a hotel room, ALWAYS make sure you have at least two clients who will be seen in that room. At the very least you'll break even.

[jjkrkwood]

As a client, I think that alot of guys simply see escorting as a "hobby", and they feel its no biggie if they show up or not, cause you guys are just sitting aroung doing nothing anyway.

 

OR they figure they are being "edgy and dangerous" by making an appt. somehow their thrill is in the contact and making the appt, and NOT the actual session.

 

I am sure you guys have enuf experience to come up with all sorts of explanations for their Rude and inconsiderate behavior.?

 

If only you guys could be like doctors and CHARGE for cancelled appts or "no-shows"....

[josephga]

As a client, I think that alot of guys simply see escorting as a "hobby", and they feel its no biggie if they show up or not, cause you guys are just sitting aroung doing nothing anyway.

 

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exactly

[SteveEscort]

As a client, I think that alot of guys simply see escorting as a "hobby", and they feel its no biggie if they show up or not, cause you guys are just sitting aroung doing nothing anyway.

 

I'd love to know why they think that. It is a biggie to me if they show up or not and it's not necessarily for financial reasons. We all get ourselves freshly showered, we make the room smell nice, light candles, sort out fresh towels and make everything nice for them and then they don't bother to show.

 

My 7pm cancelled, at least he did cancel and not wait for me to chase him up. I've had a nice day though, my lovely London businessman was back in Newcastle today and I've seen him at 5pm so I am well pleased with myself. He's my favourite client.

[instudiocity]

I think I make Advanced Appointments because the quality guys are hard to book time with at the last minute. I also may actually get turned off if a guy wants to meet me RIGHT NOW. I'm not sure.

 

I do tend to cancel Advance Appointments occasionally, but it's because there really is a reason I can't make it. I've had an escort text me the morning of an afternoon appointment telling me he was sick and needed to postpone. I took over some Chinese Hot & Sour Soup instead. But when I cancel an Advance Appointment I always attempt to rebook immediately and also offer to compensate the escort for the lost appointment. Most never accept compensation, and readily rebook.

 

RockHard has a wonderful intro to Business 101 post here http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?84848-an-observation-on-FLAKING-KEEPING-YOUR-WORD-and-TRANSPARENCY...&p=765260#post765260

[jjkrkwood]

I'd love to know why they think that. It is a biggie to me if they show up or not and it's not necessarily for financial reasons. We all get ourselves freshly showered, we make the room smell nice, light candles, sort out fresh towels and make everything nice for them and then they don't bother to show.

 

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Your situation sounds Very much like my Real World dating Life....

[josephga]

I was lucky in 2011 had only 2 no shows and 4 that cancelled.

I got about a dozen of those that call and then say let me check my schedule and don't call back

[SteveEscort]

I was lucky in 2011 had only 2 no shows and 4 that cancelled.

I got about a dozen of those that call and then say let me check my schedule and don't call back

 

I've got to admit, most of mine who book do turn up and are genuine but it's the advanced guys I get the most problems with. There's only one breed of client I dislike more than the advancers and thats..............

 

The texters................ 14 texts later and he's still asking your cock size and not a booking in sight

[josephga]

I think one reason I get very few no shows or cancelled appointments is because most of those that get massages want it when they want it. mostly same day service. when I first started I worked for a physical therapist from 98 to 2003 b4 going out on my own. first 3 months on my own id book clients from blocked or private numbers, or agree to take email appointment's with no contact number. I learned fast. I got more no shows in 3 months than in 3 years after making it a policy that clients must have a contact number and sessions finalized from that number.

[Guest JackF]

As a client, I think that alot of guys simply see escorting as a "hobby", and they feel its no biggie if they show up or not, cause you guys are just sitting aroung doing nothing anyway.

 

OR they figure they are being "edgy and dangerous" by making an appt. somehow their thrill is in the contact and making the appt, and NOT the actual session.

 

I am sure you guys have enuf experience to come up with all sorts of explanations for their Rude and inconsiderate behavior.?

 

If only you guys could be like doctors and CHARGE for cancelled appts or "no-shows"....[/QUO

 

 

I couldn't agree with you more, this is all true!!!

[BSR]

Steve, as I read your post, I couldn't help but think of my purchase of lottery tickets. Whenever the jackpot goes over $100 million, I make the 35-minute trek down to State Line (no lottery in NV). While I don't ever think that I'll actually win (although I certainly wouldn't mind), it does give me a fun little fantasy for a few days. Others might this a foolish waste of time and money, but it's my time and money being "wasted." I'm guessing that the bogus clients who schedule in advance yet never follow through are guys who are enjoying a similar type of fantasy. The problem is they are wasting someone else's time and money (revenue lost because you were unable to take a serious client). And I'm guessing this problem plagues escorts everywhere, whether the UK, US, or Kazakhstan (however much escorting takes place in Kazakhstan).

 

Perhaps you can ask for a credit card down payment for all advance clients. Whether you actually accept credit cards is irrelevant. But just asking for a credit card should filter out time-wasters pretty quick. Granted, there must be a few advanced schedulers who are serious clients yet feel uncomfortable giving out their credit card info. But leave the door open for those gents by asking them to call closer to the date and to provide a confirmation number.

 

Every job comes with its aggravations. Clearly escorting is no exception. But it sounds like you rather enjoy it, so best of luck keeping the aggro to a minimum.

[jimboivyo]

two escorts I know in nyc have used online black lists to their advantage in dealing with no shows or flakey clients. google to find them.

 

as a client, I don't always think these things are good ideas, but if someone really hurts your bottom line without just cause, i'm glad its available.

[Businessguy]

Sometimes Advance are necessary

 

I live in a rural area where there are no escorts other than a few standing on a corner. So when I travel on business, I like to book an escort at my destination. Often I'm there only one night. I like to select my guy and book a week or two in advance. I can even move my trip a day or two to accommodate the eacort's schedule.

I hate calling after I've arrived because it often takes hours to get a call back and I hate the desperate sound of "how soon can you come over". When I have tried the last minute appointment I don't think I got the best quality. A few times my advance booked appointment didn't take me seriously and so wasn't available and so I was left to do the last minute thing.

I have never stood up a firm appointment but I have had to cancel when a meeting was canceled. In those rare cases, I cancelled several days before the appointment and the escorts have had no hesitation booking next trip. The initial contact may have started as an email but by the time we have we have a date and time set, we have spoken on the phone at least once.

If the escort wants to leave it as a "call me when you get to town", that says to me that he is not taking me seriously and will take the first appointment that calls that day. More than likely, he won't be available when I call so I'll politely decline and move on to a better choice.

Yes - there are flakes who love to yank on the escort's chain and those who are just jerks. But there are very valid reasons why a client may want to book well in advance. Listen to what they say and be a bit of a detective to separate the two. And don't flake on an advance appointment especially when it has been confirmed the day of.

[Decatur Guy]

Geez. I'm setting up something with a guy three months out in NYC. I sure hope he doesn't think I'm just fucking around. This appointment is part of the reason I'm setting up the trip.

[instudiocity]

Can you take a photo of his fee, then email it to him to prove your serious?

Geez. I'm setting up something with a guy three months out in NYC. I sure hope he doesn't think I'm just fucking around. This appointment is part of the reason I'm setting up the trip.

[SteveEscort]

Geez. I'm setting up something with a guy three months out in NYC. I sure hope he doesn't think I'm just fucking around. This appointment is part of the reason I'm setting up the trip.

 

I don't think he will think you're fucking about, I personally find that a lot of guys book appointments they have no intention of keeping.

[SteveEscort]

two escorts I know in nyc have used online black lists to their advantage in dealing with no shows or flakey clients. google to find them.

 

as a client, I don't always think these things are good ideas, but if someone really hurts your bottom line without just cause, i'm glad its available.

 

 

I have similar system with a couple of local guys who live in my city, if someone books and then doesn't confirm, no shows, is a nightmare during the appointment or abusive on the phone then we circulate their numbers. Just last week I had a guy ring me at 10.30pm and ask for an appointment, I told him he'd messed about another local escort and he said "But that was ages ago". I don't f**king care if it was yesterday or two years back, he still no showed and I am not being no showed at that time of the night. The 3 of us have a zero tolerance policy where if you mess about one of us then you mess around all three and with very few male escorts available in Newcastle Upon Tyne, they sort of get immediately black listed.

 

I did however see a guy a few months back whose calls I had been ignoring, he phoned me repeatedly for a few months. He booked an appointment late on at a hotel, I had seen him 4 times in the past and on this occasion he was in town at a conference with friends. I arrived at the hotel at 11pm as always and phoned him to say I was heading up to the room. He was still in the pub with his colleagues. I waited 15 mins and he still didn't show, I phoned again and he still didn't show and when I phoned a third time at 11.45, I asked him what he was playing at and he said "That's the way life goes". That's the way life goes !!!! What a dick

 

He booked me via the hotel switchboard number in November, I went to the room and here he was in a different hotel and all apologetic. He told me that he got back at midnight and found it difficult to make excuses from colleagues because they didn't know about his bisexual side and two of them knew his wife. If he'd just said, listen Steve I am really sorry but can we leave it and I will see you next time and compensate for it then I would have been fine, but I waited around for nearly an hour in the rain outside a hotel with hotel security staff wondering WTF I was doing sat in the car park all that time for.

 

He did make up for the missed appointment and explained that he'd got a guy to come over off a cruising site and had an awful time. Awful I know but I sort of enjoyed the story of how the guy came over and it was all him him him and wasn't interested in the client who is very me me me himself. It sort of put him in his place and was just desserts and I came away thinking justice had been served.

[Bart]

Steve your post is something all clients who actually hire should read because this is the reason why gentlemen adjust their business practices such as not accepting anything but same day appointments, deposits on advance appts, adjusting their rates for no-shows, the dreaded black listing of clients blocking phone #'s and email addresses.

 

Like Decatur I book in-advance because I travel a distance to meet Gentlemen and sometimes it is a challenge booking in advance but I have come to expect the queries about my veracity on the subject. I always communicate by email first then a follow up phone call, I will confirm the night before and I will send a text the day of 1/2hr -hour ahead. I know from my communications with gentlemen that none of these insures the client or gentleman showing up but there is a bigger chance of success when coutesy is a part of the process. This time of year weather can play a facet in the process, so I usually preface my meeting based upon that issue but these days 48 hour window is pretty good from the weather man if there is a significant chance of a problem.

 

Regardless, I do expect the extra query and I dont take it personal, I understand the set up has to have a business element to it and clients who feel impeded upon when a gentleman is a bit skeptical is probably a flake and will probably be treated as such. Again it is your business and you have to do what you feel is the best way to handle it.

[Businessguy]

Be Professional - Clients & Escorts

 

Bart is right. The arrangement should me handled in a business-like manner. I would never stand up one of my regular business clients. I always confirm business appointments the day before. Why should this be any different. The sad part is many people have just loss common courtesy for others and have never been taught proper manners. I can't count the number of times I have held open a door for someone only to have them waltz through never making any eye contact or saying a Thank You. What am I - the doorman or a pillar of salt? I usually blurt out "You're Welcome" just to embarrass them.

Anyway, as a client who likes to book in advance, I think

most escort's recognize a professional approach and will respond back in a similar manner. I never ask "How big is your dick"?

[jjkrkwood]

 

I think most escort's recognize a professional approach and will respond back in a similar manner. I never ask "How big is your dick"?

 

Everything in perspective BG. If I am hiring an escort, dick size if of utmost importance to ME, therefore I do ask, if only to see if what the escort

admits to "matches" what he advertises. Discrepancies often signal "red flags", and at $300 hr, there is no room for error....

[SteveEscort]

I never ask "How big is your dick"?

 

 

I get asked it all the time, I must be asked 7-10 times a week if I have a cock pic or an ass pic for them. Why ....... so they can have a wank and bluetooth it to their friends. Yeah, I am that fooking stupid

 

I did have a guy message me last week and ask for one and when I said no, he asked why and I said, they cost 35p each and if I sent one to everyone who asked I would have a phone bill way over £100 a month. He said "But you have an iPhone, I know because it's telling me you have iMessage and so that's free". I was a bit lost of words hahahaha, he caught me out. Needless to say I still didn't send it and I've disabled iMessage on my phone so they can't see it displayed that I am an iPhone user on their phones

[seeker630]

Everything in perspective BG. If I am hiring an escort, dick size if of utmost importance to ME, therefore I do ask, if only to see if what the escort

admits to "matches" what he advertises. Discrepancies often signal "red flags", and at $300 hr, there is no room for error....

 

I often ask for complete current stats the first time, to see if what they say matches the ad (which may not have been updated in a year or more). I also like to confirm their preferences and limits (kissing, etc.)

 

But I do so in polite and business-like way. And if the guy can't be bothered to reply or takes offense, then I conclude that he's not very interested in satisfying MY wants.

[SteveEscort]

I often ask for complete current stats the first time, to see if what they say matches the ad (which may not have been updated in a year or more). I also like to confirm their preferences and limits (kissing, etc.)

 

But I do so in polite and business-like way. And if the guy can't be bothered to reply or takes offense, then I conclude that he's not very interested in satisfying MY wants.

 

 

That's the perfect way to enquire. The only guys I don't respond to are the ones who say, how much just for this or do you do 15 minute appointments - what's all that about. I really don't want to entertain 15 minute guys. I've had guys here for 15 mins, my record being 4 mins but if they want quick in and out no fuss then it's fine as long as they realise I have a minimum booking time.

 

I hate the trickle questions, I get bored quickly. You'll get an email "Do you kiss", you reply yes, would you like to book. Then you get "Can you take thick cock", yes, would you like to book, then "How big is your dick" and it goes on and on and then when you don't respond you get emails with "??????????????????"

 

Why can't guys just be like you and ask everything they want to know in one email or text