At what point do you say, "okay this (site) is a waste of money"

[JoeyBryant]

I've been a long time advertiser, on and off...with rentboy. I know between men4rent, rentboy and others it all varies with location. However, I know each has their potential in whatever market.

 

My thing with rentboy is that some months I'm glad to have it up, but most months like this one past...it's like I'm giving 25% of what I made to the site, in which it already makes up something like 10% as it is. Compare to adam4adam which garners less time for lower rates...I still came better off there than rentboy. However, I don't plan on renewing my subscription with them due to the fact one has to sift thru a ton of crap just to get something paltry.

 

Sometimes, I like to even wait several weeks before putting an ad up again so I can receive the 10-30% discount on the rentboy ad...but then I feel I may be missing out on potential clients during that downtime. But hell, you pay $40-60 a month and for the 1 or 2 clients I receive from there, if it isn't 2 hours or greater...that's a large percentage. I mean, one could reason that spending $40 to get $200 is not a bad idea, but to me that's my gym membership. Of course some months it pans out far better than that, but the traffic in this area just makes it unpredictable. I consider it most used by visitors from other states. In addition, men4rent has more providers in my region than rentboy.

[ragazzolupo]

Dear Joey,

 

I posted the following in answer to your question “What websites do you use” when you asked earlier in the year. The answers remain mostly the same. I continue to be puzzled why US based escorts don’t sign in and establish an account with Gayromeo. It is FREE!!! Oh, yes you can buy the premium account, but that mostly buys you first position. I believe you are still in the Denver area (at least your Rentboy ad is up there tonight) and there are no, zip, nada, niente escorts on Gayromeo in Denver.

So, there are two arguments:

1. Why would I want to be the only escort in Denver on a site that principally caters to Europeans and South Americans (there are over 80 in NYC, but that is an exception)?

2. Why would I not want to be the only escort in Denver on a free site that caters to Europeans and South Americans and it’s FREE?

 

If however, you want company or a critical mass: there are only 11 escorts currently on Rentboy in Denver. Call them all up and ask them to join you on Gayromeo. Then you will have a free (to you) site with as many escorts as Rentboy, which you complain is too expensive for what you get much of the time. What do you have to lose except 10 phone calls and some computer time?

 

The following is from before:

:It’s a good question, since I don’t find any one of them to be hands down “the best.”

 

Rentboy seem to be the most up-to-date and current with few old/stale listings. Their orderly approach to stats and rates give the escort a nudge to fill in the parts that the client would probably want to know.

 

Men4rentnow has a much better photo function than Rentboy, and the stale listings (which plagued it previously) seem to be getting fewer, but the lack of slots (not sluts) to fill in what the escort prefers leads to very little information unless the escort has filled in the text block. Few fill it in well. The travel plans section is better than Rentboy, but few escorts seem to use it well.

 

Rentmen has a good format, incorporates videos, but has many fewer listings, especially in small markets, than the first two (above).

 

Since I go to Europe a lot, I got used to using Gayromeo/escorts section. Although the “guestbook” is not the same as Daddysreviews, it can be very helpful in sorting and selecting and I have sorted and selected many escorts in Europe. So I got started using it in the US as well and always check it. I have had very good luck using it in NYC and a bit in smaller markets. I really don’t understand why every escort in the US doesn’t sign up for it. It is free and works well. It just needs a critical mass in each town to become members. It would nicely replace craigslist with a much better functionality.

 

I look at others like Adam4adam and Gadar, but not used them. Gadar has only 4 profiles in NYC, Gayromeo has 74 in Manhattan.

 

So in summary, I used Rentboy and Men4rent now about equally, but I always check gayromeo. I have found some of the best (and best value there). Oh, and there is no need for an escort to buy the premium account, even in NYC.”

[seeker630]

It seems to me that a key question is, how do potential clients become aware of these sites? Is it mostly by word of mouth (which requires contact with other clients)?

 

If you somehow increase the number of US escort ads on GayRomeo, will that alone draw more customers? If I never go to GayRomeo in the first place, what would cause me to go there if the selection improves? I am NOT discouraging the use of GayRomeo (if ads are free, there's not much to lose by just trying it). But it seems to me that the site needs some promotion.

 

I just Googled male escort berlin and male escort prague, and nothing from GayRomeo showed up on the first 2 pages of results.

[ragazzolupo]

It seems to me that a key question is, how do potential clients become aware of these sites? Is it mostly by word of mouth (which requires contact with other clients)?

 

 

I just Googled male escort berlin and male escort prague, and nothing from GayRomeo showed up on the first 2 pages of results.

 

There are currenlty 1378 escorts actively on Gayromeo in Berlin but merely 206 working currently in Prague. I agree a google search dosen't work well, but we already know it's the best overall escort site in Europe. It is, however, not primarily an escort site. Amazingly, there are some things that even Google doesn't know.

[maxwellissmart]

I've been a long time advertiser, on and off...with rentboy. I know between men4rent, rentboy and others it all varies with location. However, I know each has their potential in whatever market.

 

My thing with rentboy is that some months I'm glad to have it up, but most months like this one past...it's like I'm giving 25% of what I made to the site, in which it already makes up something like 10% as it is. Compare to adam4adam which garners less time for lower rates...I still came better off there than rentboy. However, I don't plan on renewing my subscription with them due to the fact one has to sift thru a ton of crap just to get something paltry.

 

Sometimes, I like to even wait several weeks before putting an ad up again so I can receive the 10-30% discount on the rentboy ad...but then I feel I may be missing out on potential clients during that downtime. But hell, you pay $40-60 a month and for the 1 or 2 clients I receive from there, if it isn't 2 hours or greater...that's a large percentage. I mean, one could reason that spending $40 to get $200 is not a bad idea, but to me that's my gym membership. Of course some months it pans out far better than that, but the traffic in this area just makes it unpredictable. I consider it most used by visitors from other states. In addition, men4rent has more providers in my region than rentboy.

 

I had an ad on Rentboy and never once saw a client from it. Same goes with Male Escort Review. I'm happy to stick with my plain ol' basic listing on M4RN, which hasn't failed me yet.

[Guest joeburger]

how long have you been on rentboy? if you have been on for 6 months or more and profits are barely exceeding cost then dump it but it takes money to make money. keep track of cost vs. profits and if you're still ahead then keep it. some clients are a one time deal and some turn into repeat. the other thing you have to work with is the economy, sometimes you have to wait awhile with the bait on the hook before you get a bite.

[JoeyBryant]

Re: Gay Romeo, I supposed I could try it out (thought I did sign up for it but it was actually escupido.com). But, my reasoning is if All-American gay.com no longer garnishes business (the last client I met from there was precisely back in June 2010, but learned he also used rentboy) then gay romeo that caters to people in other countries can't be better off.

 

Backpage is another site (which I most recently wrote about in my blog) that seems like a waste...but for their cheap advertising rate of about $6-10 a month I can't complain. But, I do complain because on one trip...I was seeing an average of 2-3 guys per day from 1 or 2 websites. I decided to put an ad up on backpage for the hell of it. I got one annoying timewaster from it and no business. I was like, why did I even bother? However, at home it's decent and still fares better than rentboy as far as quantity of calls. Thought rentboy wins in quality of calls.

 

I had an ad on Rentboy and never once saw a client from it. Same goes with Male Escort Review. I'm happy to stick with my plain ol' basic listing on M4RN, which hasn't failed me yet.

 

In D.C.? That's weird. I think 70% of my rentboy clients come from D.C. area LOL. But then again, like Chicago...they may only hire from rentboy when they are out of town.

 

how long have you been on rentboy? if you have been on for 6 months or more and profits are barely exceeding cost then dump it but it takes money to make money. keep track of cost vs. profits and if you're still ahead then keep it. some clients are a one time deal and some turn into repeat. the other thing you have to work with is the economy, sometimes you have to wait awhile with the bait on the hook before you get a bite.

 

Good logic. I've been advertising there on and off since 2008 but in different states. I think the economy has improved, but December can be hit or miss for the most part.

 

My thing too is this, part of me feels that even if I do get 1 or 2 clients from there...what are the chances of that same client finding me on men4rent? And that's my whole hangup about paying to advertise on too many different sites. I almost feel 1 or the other, but not both. I understand spending money to make money...but I doubt clients are focusing on rentboy and nothing else. I'm sure clients browse.

 

For example, one guy emailed me this week...emailing me on 1 site and then emailing me from another site. Since I keep separate emails...he stood out quite a bit. I was kinda annoyed that he did it, but I played along regardless. Then he flaked

[maxwellissmart]

how long have you been on rentboy? if you have been on for 6 months or more and profits are barely exceeding cost then dump it but it takes money to make money. keep track of cost vs. profits and if you're still ahead then keep it. some clients are a one time deal and some turn into repeat. the other thing you have to work with is the economy, sometimes you have to wait awhile with the bait on the hook before you get a bite.

 

I was on it for over 6 months and never got a single contact from it. During that time I was making between $6-8K/mo, was coverboy and had approximately 5 reviews posted.

[Guest Merlin]

What city are you in? Would you care to receive constructive suggestions from members of this forum? A suggrstion

Which brings in one additional client would pay for the ad.

[Guest joeburger]

hmmmm, after reading what your thoughts are, i see a concern. how many sites are you advertising on? maybe there is too much overlap since you caught that one guy responding from more than one site. you need to do a 'checks & balance' of what sites have brought in the most for the last 6 to 12 months and focus on those. if some sites overlap advertisement then you are waisting money.

 

joeburger

[JoeyBryant]

What city are you in? Would you care to receive constructive suggestions from members of this forum? A suggrstion

Which brings in one additional client would pay for the ad.

 

Okay, not sure if you're quoting Maxwell or I...

 

I'll pass on the constructive criticism only because it's not a matter of not gaining from any sites but rather a particular site. However, I always look inward before I make any transition and that I am able to come up with by doing the necessary research.

 

hmmmm, after reading what your thoughts are, i see a concern. how many sites are you advertising on? maybe there is too much overlap since you caught that one guy responding from more than one site. you need to do a 'checks & balance' of what sites have brought in the most for the last 6 to 12 months and focus on those. if some sites overlap advertisement then you are waisting money.

 

joeburger

 

Actually I've got lots of guys over time responding to more than one site. It's a bit unsettling, and that's another reason I've questioned advertising on as many sites as it is. It's like why pay rentboy for a client that will probably find me on men4rent? I know it's not as Black and White as that...but just the possibility of that is still in the air.

 

As of this week, I've already chopped my profiles from 3 different sites. Yes I made business from all 3 this month, but when the ads are done I have to ask myself do I want to give back the money I made right back to them or use the money for what I Originally intended it for.

 

As of January, I plan to advertise on only 2 sites and nothing more. Sites that attract reliable clients and have a lower number of TW. I'm still not over it...but this week I've had like 3 clients literally insult me from adam4adam and backpage. They size you up if you don't do full service for $80.

 

1 guy, who apparently ran a porn site here in my area called southernstrokes (not sure if it's really him or not), had the gall to ask me to do him and his partner for $100 because I quote, "wasn't their type". Yet of all the guys listed on adam4adam they had to pester me about getting their rocks off. As if I was so desperate, that I'd accept that humiliation and give in to their haggle. For their wanna-be circlejerkboy/corbin fisher jive-time website, I sent a scathing response back to both of them and the adam4adam site and simply let my last paid day of membership die off.

[ragazzolupo]

Re: Gay Romeo, I supposed I could try it out (thought I did sign up for it but it was actually escupido.com). But, my reasoning is if All-American gay.com no longer garnishes business (the last client I met from there was precisely back in June 2010, but learned he also used rentboy) then gay romeo that caters to people in other countries can't be better off.

 

Hey Joey, saw your ad on gayromeo. Looks good, and good luck talljock26 and in 6 days you've already got 685 visits. I don't know if that will translate into business, but for the best European site you are the only game in town (Denver) and the only game in the state of CO as well.

 

http://www.gayromeo.com/00000000000000000000000000000000/auswertung/setcard/index.php?set=9888308&secure=mRnZkqMd0dmQk3bavNN3LA%3D%3D

[TopAz]

Joey,

From a clients' perspective, I always refer to Rentboy.com first when finding new guys to hire. It seems like the guys I contact on rentboy are more serious about their craft and respond in a more timely fashion. Whereas with M4RN and Rentmen, it seems like only about 50-percent of the escorts I contact ever reply. I have no idea why this is the case, but I have noticed this trend over the past several years of hiring..As a rule, I have better luck with guys featured on RB. I hope my client perspective is somehow helpful to you and wish you success in your career in 2012.

[JoeyBryant]

Hey Joey, saw your ad on gayromeo. Looks good, and good luck talljock26 and in 6 days you've already got 685 visits. I don't know if that will translate into business, but for the best European site you are the only game in town (Denver) and the only game in the state of CO as well.

 

Believe me, some days, I feel like I'm the only person in the state lol. But I don't live in the happening areas. I don't plan to strike gold with the ad, but nothing wrong with having something extra up. So far I've gotten 2 messages and 5 spammers.

 

Joey,

From a clients' perspective, I always refer to Rentboy.com first when finding new guys to hire. It seems like the guys I contact on rentboy are more serious about their craft and respond in a more timely fashion. Whereas with M4RN and Rentmen, it seems like only about 50-percent of the escorts I contact ever reply. I have no idea why this is the case, but I have noticed this trend over the past several years of hiring..As a rule, I have better luck with guys featured on RB. I hope my client perspective is somehow helpful to you and wish you success in your career in 2012.

 

Thanks for the reply...I think men4rent sometimes has a bit of 'get rich quick' fly by night way of advertising to escorts so some of us may just put an ad up to meet a goal and then move on. Rentboy seems more concerned (but not that much more concerned) about keeping us around for the long haul. With that said, I'm going to put an ad up again later on...but I plan to use it specifically for minimum time frames, perhaps 2-3 hours.

 

OK...mini-rant here about men4rent as well. When a user clicks on my photo to enlarge it, why do they have to have 5 other guy's photos below my photo along with an ad below my photo of 'Adult Friend Finder, Hookup with Hot guys now'. For fucks sake, let the client focus on me.

[ragazzolupo]

Hey, Joey, I checked in on your gayromeo posting/ad. What happened to all of your pictures? Has the site worked at all for you?

 

It probably isn't going to help that your sexy images have all gone away.