"Sensual" vs "Erotic"

[Guest gayguy]

Some masseurs list themselves as sensual, others as erotic. What should I expect from each? What is the difference?

 

Thanks

[Lankypeters]

I'm not sure if there's a general definition. But I just spoke with Pierre (see related post), who said his sensual massage offered no "release," but his erotic massage did. His fee for a 60 minute "erotic" session was $190. and for an 80-minute session with eros, $270, both fees a deal breaker for me. Two other masseurs I've seen in Gotham -- Jake Deckard and Kevin (NYMuscle Massage) make no such distinctions between "sensual" and "erotic." Jake and Kevin charge under $200 for sessions running nearly two hours. And both provide full services. Which is why I highly recommend them.

[josephga]

You have to ask it varies from masseur to masseur. there is no set standard never assume. some sensual massages may or may not contain a release by hand normally an erotic massage does. Still you must ask. my sensual massage does come with a hand release however I'm fully clothed and the clients can't touch me in return. where an erotic massage i'm nude the clients can touch me with their hands but there's no oral or anal penetration. keep in mind due to laws and licenses regulations a large number of us will not discuss the difference by phone or in a email. I had a guy call a few days ago and ask what's the difference. I told him that I provided the details allowed by law to all of my advertisers and that he could refer back to my ads other than that id only provide location and availability info. He chose to pass which is okay by me because you never really know who's on the other end of that line.. However you can read between the lines. Ask the masseur if the massage is full body? we know then the client is asking if there's a release or not. If you ask if its full service then most will know your expecting more of an escort session than a massage.

[adriano46]

I generally think (or my experience has been), erotic is release, sensual, well hands all over but it is not clear what I can do/ what the masseur will do beyond the massage.

 

However... as I hire various masseurs who advertise as strictly sensual and not erotic, I find that they lead right into the erotic part without my even asking (or even expecting it). I will not "out" them here as I suppose they do not advertise full service for a reason, but I value our sessions, and they never ever fail me, and the price is more than right.

[+ Travis69]

Sometimes you'll find the more appointments you have with a masseur the more "friendly" they will be. If you find one you like and want to do more with go back 2 more times and let them know you are a repeat client and would like to do a few more things. Quite often you'll be pleasantly surprised. PS: Be a good tipper if the session fulfills all of your needs.

[josephga]

I agree if they do more than expected then be a great tipper if not your first session could be your last.

[+ beethoven]

The previous posts are, of course, accurate, but I'd add one thing: many masseurs who advertise erotic massage don't provide anything near erotic. They advertise that way in order to attract people like you and me, who want full body contact, lots of touching and caressing, and a release. As was stated here, you have to ask and to be clear. I'm not sure I'd go along with "code words." There's nothing wrong with asking explicitly, and being clear. After all, you're not spending just a few dollars. As a consumer/client/customer, you're entitled to know exactly what you're going to get.

There's one guy, Konstantin, who still advertises (I think) who promises a lap dance, a phrase he must have heard somewhere. Believe me, he doesn't have the slightest idea what a lap dance is. Even when you ask, you don't always know what you're getting. In the many responses to the thread the other day about M4M scams, someone gave the advice to use only those masseurs who are recommended in this chat room. I heartily agree. Reviews on M4m and Masseurfinder aren't worth dork. Most of them are written by friends of the masseur or by the masseur himself, I'm sure. I write reviews with some frequency, and they're never short, and I never generalize. You can spot a legitimate review like what I write from the phonies -- usually.

[josephga]

I had a client about 3 months ago I kinda liked his approach. He calls and books a 90 minute hot stone massage. 125.00. he comes in sets down pulls out 200.00 i say oh you dont have to pay until the end. he says i know but this is what I want to say. here is 200.00 this is what i want. Anything you feel uncomfortable with let me know and we can work our way back down. He told me he always operated that way and normally got what he wanted or something in the middle.

[Lohengrin1979]

I had a client about 3 months ago I kinda liked his approach. He calls and books a 90 minute hot stone massage. 125.00. he comes in sets down pulls out 200.00 i say oh you dont have to pay until the end. he says i know but this is what I want to say. here is 200.00 this is what i want. Anything you feel uncomfortable with let me know and we can work our way back down. He told me he always operated that way and normally got what he wanted or something in the middle.

 

This is the method I use. I discuss some things with the masseur beforehand but if I feel I want to go further than what a masseur advertises, I just bring more money and let the masseur know that I wouldn't expect extra for the same fee but that we could surely discuss it. It's generally worked in my favor and if things move on to more than just a massage without the extra financial incentive, then all the better. Several people have said it but it's worth repeating. Communicate with your masseur of choice about what you want and expect. They'll let you know what they will and won't do and it makes for far less unpleasant surprises later.

[adriano46]

The previous posts are, of course, accurate, but I'd add one thing: many masseurs who advertise erotic massage don't provide anything near erotic. There's one guy, Konstantin, who still advertises (I think) who promises a lap dance, a phrase he must have heard somewhere. Believe me, he doesn't have the slightest idea what a lap dance is. Even when you ask, you don't always know what you're getting. In the many responses to the thread the other day about M4M scams, someone gave the advice to use only those masseurs who are recommended in this chat room. I heartily agree. QUOTE]

 

Remember too all the threads on guys who are part of the Russian MURRAY HILL MOB, which Konstantin surely is. They come on as masseurs (most have had 5 minuges studying the rub and tug method) and their job is more to get you to go from 30 minutes (who gives a really thorough 30-0mknute massage, come on??) to the full monty for them, which would be the 60 minute -- which is more a quick blow job with hand job. Thanks to reviews here (and comments like yours too), guys like Konstantin are discovered (and avoided) quickly.

[+ newatthis]

Some masseurs list themselves as sensual, others as erotic. What should I expect from each? What is the difference?Thanks

I've never found any rule of thumb that translates those words into any sure idea of what the masseur actually does or will do once you get onto his table. For that matter, even "therapeutic" masseurs have occasionally provided a full-service experience, to my surprise.

 

I personally would never ask sexually explicit questions while booking on the phone; it seems impossibly forward with someone I don't know and who may worry about entrapment. Even recommendations from other clients aren't a sure thing; a lot depends on the moment and the chemistry. Best advice: be alert to the atmosphere and possibilities, and come prepared with extra cash.

[+ azdr0710]

I'm no expert, but I just want to remind all the people here on the forum to be careful with all this "massage" stuff....be very discreet in initial discussion....don't mention money and any "sex" issue in the same sentence or even paragraph....be professional, courteous, respectful.....trust your gut and instincts.....stick with well-reviewed guys, if possible

 

a few years ago, some lower-level escort posted a vid he had that showed how he was busted by an undercover cop....the vid was from the police evidence file or something (public request?)....he was busted when the cop wanted a confirmation that he was getting a blow job for so much $$...the escort appropriately tried to change the topic, but it was already too late.....

 

as said, if you find a guy you like, try going slow on the first meet, then discuss future meets a bit more openly....lots more trust that way....

 

no revelations here, but I don't want guys here to get busted or in trouble in some way.....

[Lohengrin1979]

I'm no expert, but I just want to remind all the people here on the forum to be careful with all this "massage" stuff....be very discreet in initial discussion....don't mention money and any "sex" issue in the same sentence or even paragraph....be professional, courteous, respectful.....trust your gut and instincts.....stick with well-reviewed guys, if possible

 

a few years ago, some lower-level escort posted a vid he had that showed how he was busted by an undercover cop....the vid was from the police evidence file or something (public request?)....he was busted when the cop wanted a confirmation that he was getting a blow job for so much $$...the escort appropriately tried to change the topic, but it was already too late.....

 

as said, if you find a guy you like, try going slow on the first meet, then discuss future meets a bit more openly....lots more trust that way....

 

no revelations here, but I don't want guys here to get busted or in trouble in some way.....

 

 

Very true, all of it. I never discuss explicit things over the phone or email. I just say I want a nude sensual massage. That usually sets the ground rules. If they don't agree to at least be nude during the session, I move on. Extras are discussed in person and usually after the first session with a guy. After all, an erotic massage isn't very erotic if you don't gel with the masseur in the first place. I'd rather lose 80 dollars on a competent 60 minute massage from a masseur I only intend to see once than 160 dollars on an erotic massage from that same masseur.

[bigvalboy]

The previous posts are, of course, accurate, but I'd add one thing: many masseurs who advertise erotic massage don't provide anything near erotic. They advertise that way in order to attract people like you and me, who want full body contact, lots of touching and caressing, and a release. As was stated here, you have to ask and to be clear. I'm not sure I'd go along with "code words." There's nothing wrong with asking explicitly, and being clear. After all, you're not spending just a few dollars. As a consumer/client/customer, you're entitled to know exactly what you're going to get.

There's one guy, Konstantin, who still advertises (I think) who promises a lap dance, a phrase he must have heard somewhere. Believe me, he doesn't have the slightest idea what a lap dance is. Even when you ask, you don't always know what you're getting. In the many responses to the thread the other day about M4M scams, someone gave the advice to use only those masseurs who are recommended in this chat room. I heartily agree. Reviews on M4m and Masseurfinder aren't worth dork. Most of them are written by friends of the masseur or by the masseur himself, I'm sure. I write reviews with some frequency, and they're never short, and I never generalize. You can spot a legitimate review like what I write from the phonies -- usually.

 

Could not have said it better myself!!!

[Terpmaniac]

You know what I have always found so strange about those so-called customer reviews? They all sound exactly alike! It's amazing. No two people write exactly the same way. There are differences in spelling, grammar, punctuation, syntax, tone and diction when writing(just read the message here there are obvious differences)but the massage reviews read as if they were ALL written by the same person!

[soccerbutt]

I read the previous comments and understand what they are saying. What if you are not comfortable or shy discussing details?

[Lankypeters]

That you may well have to settle for what you're given. Keep in mind that working guys are entirely accustomed to discussing what a client wants. Often, in fact, he'll ask what you're looking for or what you like.

[soccerbutt]

Thanks for the tip. I have had erotic massages before and the masseur never asked me questions. I just took the massage as is.