Clients as Friends

[MsGuy]

So: Am I rude for asking him if he'd just like to get together for dinner and drinks, off the clock? (He did the musical off the clock). How rude would this be?

 

As an aside: I have a feeling he's in to me, too .... but I could be deceiving myself.

 

Thanks!

 

Not rude at all unless the dinner and drinks schedule includes a bit of yadda, yadda yadda on the side. But you have to be prepared to deal with your feelings being hurt if he politely declines.

[+ purplekow]

I believe it is okay to ask, as long as you make it clear there is to be no sex and no payment. I think it would be more easily approached after a paid session, when you might mention that you had a great time and would like to know if he would consider going to a play or some other activity together. I have done this with escorts and have left it totally open ended. I usually let them know, If you have some off the clock time next week, I have an extra ticket for an event and that I will be going out to dinner before and for coffee and dessert after and I would like to invite them to any and all it. Time, or money or inclination would preclude any sexual activity. When making this offer, I would also try to set up a separate more intimate meeting to make it clear that one does no preclude the other and also to make it clear you are making a distinction between the two different types of interactions. Of course, if money is not a factor, payment is for time does not have to be a euphemism.

[jjkrkwood]

If you guys are really looking for love, maybe you should put forth the effort into pursuing "regular" guys in Real life, and not pinning your hopes on your escorts falling in love with you. Fat chance that will ever happen.... They are escorts for a reason, just as you are the client for a reason.

 

I understand the fantasy of having an escort fall in love with you and live happily ever after, and getting free sex, but come on here. Is it Realistic ? Why waste your time and energy. The escort/client relationship is just that : A business deal....

[+ purplekow]

JJ While I agree with you that it unlikely that a client is to find the love of his life with an escort, that is not the question. I think you are of the let me suck you, heres the cash, now get the fuck out school of escort hiring. At least that is the way I have interpreted your posts. If that works for you, fine. Others want to ask if a more personal relationship might exist. As long as he is prepared for "no" as an answer, you never know until you ask. So rather than preach the same old sermon each time this idea comes to the fore (and it does quite often here) why not sit back take a deep breath and let it go. Why waste your time and energy trying to convince people that client and escorts can't have more complex relationships than a pure sex for pay one, when it just seems that you don't have or don't want that but others do want that and do have that.

[gallahadesquire]

Thank you PK!

[seeker630]

JJ While I agree with you that it unlikely that a client is to find the love of his life with an escort, that is not the question. I think you are of the let me suck you, heres the cash, now get the fuck out school of escort hiring. At least that is the way I have interpreted your posts. If that works for you, fine. Others want to ask if a more personal relationship might exist. As long as he is prepared for "no" as an answer, you never know until you ask. So rather than preach the same old sermon each time this idea comes to the fore (and it does quite often here) why not sit back take a deep breath and let it go. Why waste your time and energy trying to convince people that client and escorts can't have more complex relationships than a pure sex for pay one, when it just seems that you don't have or don't want that but others do want that and do have that.

 

Good response.

[jjkrkwood]

JJ While I agree with you that it unlikely that a client is to find the love of his life with an escort, that is not the question. I think you are of the let me suck you, heres the cash, now get the fuck out school of escort hiring. At least that is the way I have interpreted your posts. If that works for you, fine. Others want to ask if a more personal relationship might exist. As long as he is prepared for "no" as an answer, you never know until you ask. So rather than preach the same old sermon each time this idea comes to the fore (and it does quite often here) why not sit back take a deep breath and let it go. Why waste your time and energy trying to convince people that client and escorts can't have more complex relationships than a pure sex for pay one, when it just seems that you don't have or don't want that but others do want that and do have that.

 

You are excatly on the mark as to how I see escort/client relationships. However, you are wrong in your assumption that i am trying to CONVINCE anyone of anything. As this is a chat site, its merely conversation, and if the issue arises a million times, I will address it a million times because obviously its being brought up for a reason. Why is it that if someone asks for an opinion, and one is given, eventhough the opinion given is not the popular one that OTHERS cant swallow that. ? Do the members have to be unanimous in their opinions ? I think that is naive....I never told the OP NOT to ask his question. If he wants to pursue a more intimate relationship with his escort, he is free to do that. I just asked the question WHY ? Its a QUESTION, not an invitation to battle. We all have our opinions and are set in our ways pretty much. Just as you feel that I am trying to convince members there is no other option BUT mine, you are doing the exact same thing by trying to convinve ME that there ARE..... So think about it. does that make you better or more qualified to speak than me ? No, I dont think so. You guys WANT to believe that I am a confrontational, argumentative person. Every site has its punching bags, am I am that for this site. Just relax and take my comments for what they really are, just comments. If you agree, Great. If not, thats fine too, you speak your piece and we both move on....

[+ purplekow]

JJ You dress yourself in leather and hang yourself from a pole and then say people are treating you as a punching bag.

The question posed and to which I was responding is "is it rude to ask" to spend off the clock time with an escort. You turned that question into why he would want to do so, when he has stated he enjoyed the time together and wanted to spend more time together. So the why is there. In your most recent response, you advise that "if he wants to pursue a more intimate relationship with the escort, he is free to do so." If you had posted your most recent response first, I would not have been inclined to offer a different opinion as i believe we agree more than we disagree, at least as far as that post goes.

This is opposed to other posts, in which I do see you leathering up and hanging yourself up from a pole, baiting to be set upon.

As an aside, I would mention that you probably noted that i specifically borrowed your phrase "waste your time and energy", a rather harsh phrase, from one of your prior posts. So I assume your last statement to "relax and take my comments for what they are" is just a paraphrase of my advice to you , to sit back and take a deep breath.

[jjkrkwood]

JJ You dress yourself in leather and hang yourself from a pole and then say people are treating you as a punching bag.

The question posed and to which I was responding is "is it rude to ask" to spend off the clock time with an escort. You turned that question into why he would want to do so, when he has stated he enjoyed the time together and wanted to spend more time together. So the why is there. In your most recent response, you advise that "if he wants to pursue a more intimate relationship with the escort, he is free to do so." If you had posted your most recent response first, I would not have been inclined to offer a different opinion as i believe we agree more than we disagree, at least as far as that post goes.

This is opposed to other posts, in which I do see you leathering up and hanging yourself up from a pole, baiting to be set upon.

As an aside, I would mention that you probably noted that i specifically borrowed your phrase "waste your time and energy", a rather harsh phrase, from one of your prior posts. So I assume your last statement to "relax and take my comments for what they are" is just a paraphrase of my advice to you , to sit back and take a deep breath.

 

PK, I didnt realize there were rules here on HOW a question should be responded to, or an order in which replies must be made. Whether I answered a question with a question should be of no consequence. The posting police need to CHILL, and stop dissecting every single word thats put on paper. The implication and intent of a reply is often skewed when in print. AND, you really dont know me and shouldnt put words in my mouth as to what you THINK I was really saying. Comments on this site wont change the world so stop trying to make them into something MORE than they really are, JUST COMMENTS. I am NOT challenginf anyone nor trying to sway anyones opinion. I couldnt care less. I am just saying my piece when I have the floor, just as the rest of you do. YES I may disagree with what someone has to say, and question their reasons for a statement, but I never attack anyone for their post. Here lies the difference between me and my dissenters. And its really interesting that my "attacks" come from a small handfull of individuals who have just decided

that its the way to deal with a person they choose to dislike. All well and good my friend... Time to move on from this since neither one of us is gonna change our opinion, and it has become a major waste of everyones time. For the record, if the OP wants to pursue his escort, Good luck to him. That should satisfy your lynch mob....

[+ purplekow]

PK, I didnt realize there were rules here on HOW a question should be responded to, or an order in which replies must be made. Whether I answered a question with a question should be of no consequence. The posting police need to CHILL, and stop dissecting every single word thats put on paper. The implication and intent of a reply is often skewed when in print. AND, you really dont know me and shouldnt put words in my mouth as to what you THINK I was really saying. Comments on this site wont change the world so stop trying to make them into something MORE than they really are, JUST COMMENTS. I am NOT challenginf anyone nor trying to sway anyones opinion. I couldnt care less. I am just saying my piece when I have the floor, just as the rest of you do. YES I may disagree with what someone has to say, and question their reasons for a statement, but I never attack anyone for their post. Here lies the difference between me and my dissenters. And its really interesting that my "attacks" come from a small handfull of individuals who have just decided

that its the way to deal with a person they choose to dislike. All well and good my friend... Time to move on from this since neither one of us is gonna change our opinion, and it has become a major waste of everyones time. For the record, if the OP wants to pursue his escort, Good luck to him. That should satisfy your lynch mob....

JJ Usually one answers the question asked. In you check my last post, I answered the questions you asked. That isnt new to this forum, it is the course of most interaction.

Since all you can be measured on here are your words, how would you have your posts evaluated?

As to the posting police and the attacks you suffer, I don't see you being attacked, rather your posts viewpoint has been questioned. You seem willing to post unpopular viewpoints. All sites need posters willing to do so. However, a consequence, of posting unpopular viewpoints is that people will disagree with you. So, "my friend", expect dissent when you post unpopular opinions. Relish it. But don't indulge yourself in the notion that it is a conspiracy to silence you. No posting police. No enemies of the State of JJ. If your ideas are unpopular, express them by all means just expect to be called to answer for them.

[jjkrkwood]

JJ Usually one answers the question asked. In you check my last post, I answered the questions you asked. That isnt new to this forum, it is the course of most interaction.- And if one strays from that, they are to be stoned to death ? Where is this websites Rulebook? You DO realize how silly that sounds?Since all you can be measured on here are your words, how would you have your posts evaluated? - I would want them to be taken at face value as intended. Question them if you may, but dont attack if you dont agreeAs to the posting police and the attacks you suffer, I don't see you being attacked, rather your posts viewpoint has been questioned. You seem willing to post unpopular viewpoints.- Well sorry, my opinions are not based on whats popular or trendy, they are based on what i believe. Most of my opposers need to take their heads out of their asses. All sites need posters willing to do so. However, a consequence, of posting unpopular viewpoints is that people will disagree with you. So, "my friend", expect dissent when you post unpopular opinions. Relish it. But don't indulge yourself in the notion that it is a conspiracy to silence you. - That is exactly what it is No posting police. No enemies of the State of JJ. If your ideas are unpopular, express them by all means just expect to be called to answer for them.- I have no problem with that at all, but what you are really saying is that YOUR views are the popular ones and above question ? Or so it seems because each time I question "the popular opinion" your heads explode. How hypocritical !

 

JJ Usually one answers the question asked. In you check my last post, I answered the questions you asked. That isnt new to this forum, it is the course of most interaction.- And if one strays from that, they are to be stoned to death ? Where is this websites Rulebook? You DO realize how silly that sounds?Since all you can be measured on here are your words, how would you have your posts evaluated? - I would want them to be taken at face value as intended. Question them if you may, but dont attack if you dont agreeAs to the posting police and the attacks you suffer, I don't see you being attacked, rather your posts viewpoint has been questioned. You seem willing to post unpopular viewpoints.- Well sorry, my opinions are not based on whats popular or trendy, they are based on what i believe. Most of my opposers need to take their heads out of their asses. All sites need posters willing to do so. However, a consequence, of posting unpopular viewpoints is that people will disagree with you. So, "my friend", expect dissent when you post unpopular opinions. Relish it. But don't indulge yourself in the notion that it is a conspiracy to silence you. - That is exactly what it is No posting police. No enemies of the State of JJ. If your ideas are unpopular, express them by all means just expect to be called to answer for them.- I have no problem with that at all, but what you are really saying is that YOUR views are the popular ones and above question ? Or so it seems because each time I question "the popular opinion" your heads explode. How hypocritical ! I do expcect to answer for them and take full responsibility, but you guys just dont know when to just listen and let be. Your constant need to force "the popular" view on me aint gonna change my mind. But Thank you for giving me Clearance to continue posting . I can rest easy now that I have your approval And may I add in closing that this "popular viewpoint" you continue to speak about is only really held by maybe 5 other members on this site who continually choose to confront me. A 5 person opinion is hardly a "popular one"...

[instudiocity]

Back to the subject at hand... client/escort relationships ... It's all in what you want.

 

I've had more than a few escorts and I've shared off-the-clock times with a few. My thoughts are this ... if the relationship is about the paid times and only the paid times, then it to me is a fairly cut-and-dried situation with no emotional involvement. I just can't get into that... repeatedly. I mean who can look at the same topless guy day in and day out?

 

I always want to observe my escort's living situation. If he is in a clean, safe place or living in the barrio. I enjoy entertaining my escorts so I prepare dinners for them, take them out to dinner, but I could never afford to hire them for these times, too. A couple of escorts have wanted to learn about wines. I love California wines and so as friends, we've made day trips and overnight trips to California's wine regions. I've usually paid transportation, motels and food, but the time as been off-the-wallet.

 

These escorts, the ones who are open and honest and share experiences with me, are the ones who get my repeat business. I much prefer the hypocrisy of paying an escort when I know he's in a good place in his life - that he is using this profession to gain a better lifestyle versus someone desperately trying to make ends meet, pay for an illness or support a vice such as alcoholism or drug-abuse.

 

I think it comes down to a question of having an honest and open dialogue. Relating to one another. If he's hiding his life's problems, he could have problems that can effect me. If he's ill, I want him calling me not the Department of Public Health. If he is an alcoholic, drug-dealer or drug-user who gets caught, he could plea bargain me away as whatever and get me caught up in all sorts of alleged criminality - that I would never be involved in, but would have to spend a fortune to defend against.

 

We had a popular LA escort here on the forum who got sent to jail for doing some criminal things. A friend got deep probed simply because his phone number was in the escort's phone log. I don't wanna experience that level of anal probing!

 

So, from the standpoint of a 'relationship', I can and do separate the idea of hiring an escort versus sharing time with someone. I try to always be deferential. If he's not having fun, it's not fun for me. And it is always his decision. If he wants to go with me to do something, great. I wouldn't want to feel pressured and neither should he.

[robberbaron4u]

Not to interrupt the ongoing, and, I hasten to add, informative, epistles being exchanged by my fellow travelers, but, any word on my late eighteenth century overmantel mirror, my smoking jacket or my jade talisman? Respectfully yours, RB4U

[+ purplekow]

JJ Answering the question asked doesnt sound silly to me. Your response with illusions of stoning, now that does sound silly.

And any disagreement is an attack, now that does sound awfully silly.

Demeaning your opponents rather than addressing the raised concerns, kind of silly.

Persistance in the notion of posting police after 1780 posts in a short period, pretty silly.

I would suggest that you would expect others to be less persistant in stating their beliefs, than you are in yours is pretty darned silly.

That others should just let be, was indeed a suggestion I made to you 4 posts ago, after you had reiterated numerous times in this and other threads, your belief that escorts and clients cannot have other than the relationship you have with your escorts. The suggestion to let it go is a nice one, but a silly one from you when you refuse to do just that.

As for clearance to post, if it were in my power to silence you, I wouldn't, but I like a good horror film and have been known to rubberneck at an auto accident. So it is not only silly to suggest I have that power but sillier that I would use it on you one way or the other.

Now you have a nice day. Try to keep your blood pressure under control. As to the popular vote, I too speak my mind popular or not but I do try to answer the question at hand, silly me.

[instudiocity]

My lawyer is married to my sister, still bills me $650/hour.

My doctor lives next door and frequently attends parties at my home, still cost me $3,000 this year (that's $1,000 deductible and $2,000 co-pay to a max out-of-pocket of $3,000.)

My dental office has a kid in one of my organizations, still billed me $1,500 for two crowns.

The grocery store down the street, Starbucks, the dry cleaners - all have workers who are friends and acquaintances - all bill me for their products, goods and services.

 

What's the rub, bub? Other than JJ, who here doesn't befriend or at least make an acquaintance with those whom we mingle in our daily lives. Are escorts so much more special or are they so much more subservient that we shouldn't treat them like people? Befriend them, share concerns for them and with them?

 

It's commerce. An escort is selling himself - his service is the product. When you need it, buy it. If people weren't buying it, there wouldn't be any escorts left.

[jjkrkwood]

JJ Answering the question asked doesnt sound silly to me. Your response with illusions of stoning, now that does sound silly.

And any disagreement is an attack, now that does sound awfully silly.

Demeaning your opponents rather than addressing the raised concerns, kind of silly.

Persistance in the notion of posting police after 1780 posts in a short period, pretty silly.

I would suggest that you would expect others to be less persistant in stating their beliefs, than you are in yours is pretty darned silly.

That others should just let be, was indeed a suggestion I made to you 4 posts ago, after you had reiterated numerous times in this and other threads, your belief that escorts and clients cannot have other than the relationship you have with your escorts. The suggestion to let it go is a nice one, but a silly one from you when you refuse to do just that.

As for clearance to post, if it were in my power to silence you, I wouldn't, but I like a good horror film and have been known to rubberneck at an auto accident. So it is not only silly to suggest I have that power but sillier that I would use it on you one way or the other.

Now you have a nice day. Try to keep your blood pressure under control. As to the popular vote, I too speak my mind popular or not but I do try to answer the question at hand, silly me.

 

You are YOU, and I am ME. I am not trying to be you. You answer a question, I question a question. So what ? We are different people and behave differently. That doesnt make either one of us LESS relevant or important to this site in terms of our contributions. Why that is a concept you and your cohorts cant grasp is beyond me. ? My blood pressure is just fine. Funny that you think your confrontation affects me. It simply feeds the impression I already have of certain people. You have a nice day too.

[rocky]

Well I'm not sure where to begin. First; I've been seeing someone for over 10 years and we've become

friends (more later); I know his family, but they don't know his side business. Here's the issue though;

if I'm a friend, true friend no I think an escort should not charge. But I've said, we have a business

arrangement, he has keys to my house, etc. Where am I going, well if you as escorts really say

you are a friend then you should not be charging, that's my two cents. Me, I have to deal with

what I deal with. I provide a very good weekly salary to someone who makes me feel good, however

the sex is no where what it use to be and actually doesn't exist sometimes. But alas I may be

a sucker.

[gcursor]

a 2000 dollar haircut

 

Here we go Rocky. This happened quite some years back to me. Let me explain what happened. There was an escort that I saw quite frequently. Only rarely would he have sex with me but I paid him all the time, took him out to dinner, etc. One night, we are at my place and he says he wants to give me a haircut. I jokingly said, "How much?" and he said "How much do you got?" (note:people are going to interect here that this is the difference between hustlers and escorts) Anyway I ended up giving him 2000 dollars for a haircut...no sex..just a haircut.

 

He asked me once if I wanted to become friends with him. I said, "Okay, what does that mean?" He said, "Well we won't have sex anymore." Point of fact, I only had had sex with him one time anyway. I said to him, "Will I still have to pay you?" He said, "Yes but I won't charge you as much. We can go out to movies and stuff together but just no sex."

 

Amazingly enough, this is the same guy who *I* hired for this other "Friend" ..well he was one of those friends that you see once every 3 months and no he didn't want to touch me much less have sex with me. Those 2 hit it off and ended up becoming a couple. They wanted me to move into an apartment with them and initially I said yes. I signed the lease putting the apartment under my name. They started their own escort agency. Then I decided moving in with them probably wouldn't work out for me knowing how they both were. I told them I couldn't move in with them BUT I would pay for 6 months rent while they were looking for another room mate to be fair.

 

Six months later, I get a call at the office. They had moved out of the apartment. There was 500 dollars in damages that I was now responsible for. I called the "friend" of mine ..not the escort..asking how he could do this to me. He said that his dad was a lawyer but probably wouldn't take on such a small case. His advice was to not pay the damages.

 

All I am saying Rocky is to watch out because you sound like you are going right down the same path. Oh sure, some of them will look at that 2000 dollars and say HEY..this isn't right...Im just giving you a haircut! yeah...sure.

 

So I don't know Rocky, do you think they used me?

gcursor

 

Well I'm not sure where to begin. First; I've been seeing someone for over 10 years and we've become

friends (more later); I know his family, but they don't know his side business. Here's the issue though;

if I'm a friend, true friend no I think an escort should not charge. But I've said, we have a business

arrangement, he has keys to my house, etc. Where am I going, well if you as escorts really say

you are a friend then you should not be charging, that's my two cents. Me, I have to deal with

what I deal with. I provide a very good weekly salary to someone who makes me feel good, however

the sex is no where what it use to be and actually doesn't exist sometimes. But alas I may be

a sucker.

[jjkrkwood]

Well I'm not sure where to begin. First; I've been seeing someone for over 10 years and we've become

friends (more later); I know his family, but they don't know his side business. Here's the issue though;

if I'm a friend, true friend no I think an escort should not charge. But I've said, we have a business

arrangement, he has keys to my house, etc. Where am I going, well if you as escorts really say

you are a friend then you should not be charging, that's my two cents. Me, I have to deal with

what I deal with. I provide a very good weekly salary to someone who makes me feel good, however

the sex is no where what it use to be and actually doesn't exist sometimes. But alas I may be

a sucker.

 

Rocky, as the "client" you are paying the gentleman to have sex with you. If a friendship does evolve from it, you might keep in mind that perhaps

the escort is really not attracted to you in a real-life sense and merely wants a friendship, which precludes SEX... Just because he had sex with you for PAY, doesnt necesaarily mean he wants to give it away to you for FREE.... For me this situation continues to beg the question, do you want a friendship with the escort just to "justify" getting FREE sex from him. I dont feel the escort should be obligated in that way. Its a selfish motive on the "clients" part.... If you really like the guy enuf to befriend him , why not JUST be friends and hire some other escort for sex ? Surely you can find some other highly qualified escort to satisfy your sexual needs? And if thats not the case, then I doubt true "friendship" was really the motive.

[jjkrkwood]

Here we go Rocky. This happened quite some years back to me. Let me explain what happened. There was an escort that I saw quite frequently. Only rarely would he have sex with me but I paid him all the time, took him out to dinner, etc. One night, we are at my place and he says he wants to give me a haircut. I jokingly said, "How much?" and he said "How much do you got?" (note:people are going to interect here that this is the difference between hustlers and escorts) Anyway I ended up giving him 2000 dollars for a haircut...no sex..just a haircut.

 

He asked me once if I wanted to become friends with him. I said, "Okay, what does that mean?" He said, "Well we won't have sex anymore." Point of fact, I only had had sex with him one time anyway. I said to him, "Will I still have to pay you?" He said, "Yes but I won't charge you as much. We can go out to movies and stuff together but just no sex."

 

Amazingly enough, this is the same guy who *I* hired for this other "Friend" ..well he was one of those friends that you see once every 3 months and no he didn't want to touch me much less have sex with me. Those 2 hit it off and ended up becoming a couple. They wanted me to move into an apartment with them and initially I said yes. I signed the lease putting the apartment under my name. They started their own escort agency. Then I decided moving in with them probably wouldn't work out for me knowing how they both were. I told them I couldn't move in with them BUT I would pay for 6 months rent while they were looking for another room mate to be fair.

 

Six months later, I get a call at the office. They had moved out of the apartment. There was 500 dollars in damages that I was now responsible for. I called the "friend" of mine ..not the escort..asking how he could do this to me. He said that his dad was a lawyer but probably wouldn't take on such a small case. His advice was to not pay the damages.

 

All I am saying Rocky is to watch out because you sound like you are going right down the same path. Oh sure, some of them will look at that 2000 dollars and say HEY..this isn't right...Im just giving you a haircut! yeah...sure.

 

So I don't know Rocky, do you think they used me?

gcursor

 

Gman, I really dont know what to say about you. You know I have always been supportive, but in some weird way I think you enjoy getting "used" by these guys because you seem to be making the same bad decisions over and over. And whats stranger is that I think you KNOW going into it that you are making the wrong decision, but you feel you NEED to, just to have the personal interaction. You seem like a sweet guy, but your low self esteem has not served you well. Certainly if you can afford to do what you do, and it brings you some sort of pleasure, then theres certainly no problem that anyone can criticise you for. But surely, even if you do have bundles of money, noone really likes to be "used and scammed".... Please think about it. YOU are better than that !!!

[gcursor]

thx jj

 

Thx JJ. actually Im surprised that somebody read my post. I knew it was too long when I posted it but I felt it directly addressed Rocky's post.

gc

 

Gman, I really dont know what to say about you. You know I have always been supportive, but in some weird way I think you enjoy getting "used" by these guys because you seem to be making the same bad decisions over and over. And whats stranger is that I think you KNOW going into it that you are making the wrong decision, but you feel you NEED to, just to have the personal interaction. You seem like a sweet guy, but your low self esteem has not served you well. Certainly if you can afford to do what you do, and it brings you some sort of pleasure, then theres certainly no problem that anyone can criticise you for. But surely, even if you do have bundles of money, noone really likes to be "used and scammed".... Please think about it. YOU are better than that !!!

[+ purplekow]

Gcursor I read your post as well and have not answer because I was stunned. Your financial and personal decisions are so far off my radar that i have been waiting for a blip of an idea to appear on my screen before answering. This is a post just to let you know you have been read.

[zeyfur]

My regular escort who I have been seeing for five years keep in touch via texts. So I guess we are friends. However when we meet I always pay so as to avoid complications.

[gcursor]

pk analysis

 

actually my posting was just meant as insight for Rocky. don't try to over-analyze what I've said PK because you won't figure it out. The only way I can describe it is that I've always been brought up (and still try to be) exceedingly exceedingly nice to people. I'm the person that should've been born about 75 years ago. I try to have good manners (but dont succeed always) and try to do what I feel is right for each situation. I just enjoy being nice to people and I never want people to think of me as anything other than that so I usually take VERY long roads to being nice to people. i just focus on one person and what i can do for each situation that is fair and would make them happy.

 

if you want to talk about it further PK then feel free to PM me.

gc

 

Gcursor I read your post as well and have not answer because I was stunned. Your financial and personal decisions are so far off my radar that i have been waiting for a blip of an idea to appear on my screen before answering. This is a post just to let you know you have been read.

[RexAll]

My lawyer is married to my sister, still bills me $650/hour.

My doctor lives next door and frequently attends parties at my home, still cost me $3,000 this year (that's $1,000 deductible and $2,000 co-pay to a max out-of-pocket of $3,000.)

My dental office has a kid in one of my organizations, still billed me $1,500 for two crowns.

The grocery store down the street, Starbucks, the dry cleaners - all have workers who are friends and acquaintances - all bill me for their products, goods and services.

 

What's the rub, bub? Other than JJ, who here doesn't befriend or at least make an acquaintance with those whom we mingle in our daily lives. Are escorts so much more special or are they so much more subservient that we shouldn't treat them like people? Befriend them, share concerns for them and with them?

 

It's commerce. An escort is selling himself - his service is the product. When you need it, buy it. If people weren't buying it, there wouldn't be any escorts left.

 

When I go to the lawyer, the way he handles my case does not affect my libido. The same with the doctor--no wait, I'm lying about that. My doctor is gay and hunky--sigh. The people at the Starbucks and the cleaners probably don't own the business, so they may not be able to no bill you, even if they wanted to. Sex is different--at least for me--it can play with the emotions. A friend--and let's say sex is not involved--just time--either going out to dinner or going to the movies--yes, it's very possible I might pay for either dinner or a movie--especially if I know I make more money than the the guy--but a friend--a true friend better not try to charge me for the time together. If we are friends, and I out of the goodness of my heart want to pay for dinner or a movie--that's one thing. However, while he might like me, charging me for time together indicates that he still sees me as a client and not a friend. If we were to say that it was ok for a friend to charge for non sex get togethers, then I'd be interested in knowing how many of his friends who only knew him from his private life are being charged to spend time with him.

 

Oh, and assuming you are on good terms with your sister, if your brother-in-law is not giving you a steep discount--unless he works for someone else and is unable to, something is very wrong.

 

 

Rex