Are there warning signs?

[jjkrkwood]

Hi guys, I am fairly new here, and also to the world of escorts. When I hire its usually thru recommendation, or I just go with the well known guys or porn stars, so I have never had a problem, YET !

 

I keep reading here about guys that have gotten scammed by escorts in one way or another. So, I was wondering if when you read an ad, are there warning signs you should look out for, or is there subliminal messages in the way the ads are worded ?

 

I generally look at a pic first to see if the guy appeals to me sexually, and then proceed to the info. Some pics are downright scary, and the guys look seedy or dangerous, although I think they are trying to look macho. I have read here that if an ad says "cash upfront", thats a Red flag, so was wondering if you guys had any other tips ?

 

Thanks for your time .... JJ

[tenderloin]

Good question. I am sure everyone will have their own opinions on this, but here are my flags:

 

1. Guys who are vague. I understand some might not, in an email, want to specify "yes, you can fuck me", but at some stage when they reply to simple queries like "do you kiss?" with things like "don't worry, you'll have a good time" it is a warning.

2. Guys who get annoyed with answering a few simple questions. I understand that they don't want to go back and forth with idiotic chat ("is your dick really really big?"), but when they get annoyed with the basics, watch out.

3. Mismatch between pics and price. I am always suspicious when I see perfect pics of a perfect guy, and he is asking $150. It's not that I don't like a bargain, but I think that incongruity between pics and price suggests trouble.

[jjkrkwood]

Good question. I am sure everyone will have their own opinions on this, but here are my flags:

 

1. Guys who are vague. I understand some might not, in an email, want to specify "yes, you can fuck me", but at some stage when they reply to simple queries like "do you kiss?" with things like "don't worry, you'll have a good time" it is a warning.

2. Guys who get annoyed with answering a few simple questions. I understand that they don't want to go back and forth with idiotic chat ("is your dick really really big?"), but when they get annoyed with the basics, watch out.

3. Mismatch between pics and price. I am always suspicious when I see perfect pics of a perfect guy, and he is asking $150. It's not that I don't like a bargain, but I think that incongruity between pics and price suggests trouble.

 

Those are all GREAT flags, and things you can carry into connections with people OTHER than escorts as well. Thanks for the input TenderL....

[orbital sander]

Perhaps you can also look at the persons listings and reviews at other web sites. Using several sources for information can be helpful. Sometimes the listings at other sites can give you additional information that is not on this one. I think that consistent information (good or bad) among the various forums and web pages can sometimes help paint a broader picture.

[jjkrkwood]

Perhaps you can also look at the persons listings and reviews at other web sites. Using several sources for information can be helpful. Sometimes the listings at other sites can give you additional information that is not on this one. I think that consistent information (good or bad) among the various forums and web pages can sometimes help paint a broader picture.

 

The problem I have discovered with "reviews" OS is that alot of them are planted by the escort or their friends. My own Red flag goes up when I read and overly "gushy" review, or one that seems "forced"....

[orbital sander]

The problem I have discovered with "reviews" OS is that alot of them are planted by the escort or their friends. My own Red flag goes up when I read and overly "gushy" review, or one that seems "forced"....

All the more reason to broaden your search...

and yes I agree, there are many faked reviews (even here), but I think that this board works hard to try and identify and thwart these, other sites may not...

[+ glutes]

Use 'the google' (GW Bush term), it can provide a wealth of information.

Google their stage name, phone number, even their email addy if that is all they have...

(Hint: if they have been implicated in bringing down a Republican Senator or other nefarious activites, stay away!)

[leigh.bess.toad]

One red flag I've noticed on occasion is if the pictures in the ads don't seem to be the same guy. If the "escort" (and I use that term generously) has pictures and they are obviously of different guys, run like hell.

 

The other suggestions are all appropriate. Some is just gut instinct. But like the OP, I've never really been in this situation because the guys I've hired have all been reviewed here, most quite extensively. A couple were relatively new to the biz, but had at least one or two reviews. I think the reviews here tend to weed out the imposters pretty well.

[+ azdr0710]

I always write an email first (rather than call) to a new guy I'm thinking of meeting....I'm very friendly, courteous, professional, and respectful....I quickly mention my correct stats and what I'm like....then, specifically but discreetly (!!??), say what I'd like to do at the meet....I ask if they have any questions and thank them for their time reading and replying.....no mention of $$ yet....

 

depending on the tone of the reply, I'll pursue it or move on....I look for my answered questions, some sort of intelligence, a friendly attitude, etc.....

 

one warning sign is, "hey, sounds hot, text me when you're in town", as a complete reply....trust your instincts......or you could just go with the well-reviewed guys here.....I never read the "reviews" within the m4rn and rentboy sites themselves.....stay away from most "a la carte" guys, though some are entirely fine....money should never be mentioned anywhere near mention of "acts"....it's "for time only"....and never mention money at the meet at all....quietly have an envelope out in plain sight - that's all.....hopefully, he won't snatch it and bolt.....

 

all obvious stuff above, but good reminders for the new guys here.....

[Juan Vancouver]

....and never mention money at the meet at all....quietly have an envelope out in plain sight -

 

Why not?

[Guest quadz]

'Cash upfront' written in their profile is prob a good red flag. As an escort, I am leery to take anything until after services are rendered (for fear of a cop).

[orbital sander]

Why not?

 

Me too...Why not?? I have no problem discussing the fee for time, I never under stood the "envelope" that was never to be discussed. It is a business transaction...

[Bosguy]

Why not?

 

I am a firm believer that money absolutely must be discussed prior to meeting. The amount should be clearly understood between the 2 parties so that there is no misunderstanding before, during, or after the time spent together. This is beneficial to both parties and eliminates the possibility of this matter causing a stressful situation. If you feel uncomfortable about the term "pay", use "financial consideration"

 

Bill K.

[+ azdr0710]

gee, sorry if I upset some by suggesting don't discuss money at the meeting...as bosguy says, it's important to get the terms set up beforehand, of course.....but, obviously, to avoid a possible sting, shouldn't money talk be avoided at the meet?.....(I don't really like to talk about money anyway)

[Guy Fawkes]

I too believe in the descrete use of envelopes... Perhaps we were raised in the Midwest?

 

quietly have an envelope out in plain sight

[Rhinestone Cowboy]

I've never done anything other than pull out my wallet at the end of the session as I'm leaving, and it's never been uncomfortable or a problem. Incidentally, of all the hang-ups to have in this whole process I wouldn't think that talking about MONEY would be the most difficult hurdle to get over!! LOL. I always start with a phone call, and because I always hire for a minimum of two hours, sometimes three, I have to ask if they have a different rate for multiple hours (which most of the experienced guys do, because three hours at a posted rate for higher-priced NY escorts gets close to what an overnight costs...and so generally I've been quoted a slightly lower rate for multiple hours). I don't haggle, mind you, but the way they handle that part of the conversation can sometimes be a red flag in terms of how they're running their business. I agree with everything everyone else has already said here...other than that, trust your instincts as you're setting up the appointment -- if you get a weird vibe or you think they're manner is off somehow, move on. The good ones will make the hiring process easy and uncomplicated and will be upfront about everything...and easy, upfront and uncomplicated is probably what you're looking for in a good escort experience! As a side note, if you are hiring masseurs for an erotic massage I do have one thing that is ALWAYS a red flag for me: if they ONLY do 60 minute sessions and aren't able to do a 90 min appointment. This always tells me that they have a "routine" they do that takes exactly 60 min (a rub and tug) and aren't capable of changing it up for a longer session. I just know I'm going to get a packaged experience, whereras an intuitive, skilled, trained masseur would never have a problem offering a 90min massage. Just my two-cents.

[jjkrkwood]

I've never done anything other than pull out my wallet at the end of the session as I'm leaving, and it's never been uncomfortable or a problem. Incidentally, of all the hang-ups to have in this whole process I wouldn't think that talking about MONEY would be the most difficult hurdle to get over!! LOL. I always start with a phone call, and because I always hire for a minimum of two hours, sometimes three, I have to ask if they have a different rate for multiple hours (which most of the experienced guys do, because three hours at a posted rate for higher-priced NY escorts gets close to what an overnight costs...and so generally I've been quoted a slightly lower rate for multiple hours). I don't haggle, mind you, but the way they handle that part of the conversation can sometimes be a red flag in terms of how they're running their business. I agree with everything everyone else has already said here...other than that, trust your instincts as you're setting up the appointment -- if you get a weird vibe or you think they're manner is off somehow, move on. The good ones will make the hiring process easy and uncomplicated and will be upfront about everything...and easy, upfront and uncomplicated is probably what you're looking for in a good escort experience! As a side note, if you are hiring masseurs for an erotic massage I do have one thing that is ALWAYS a red flag for me: if they ONLY do 60 minute sessions and aren't able to do a 90 min appointment. This always tells me that they have a "routine" they do that takes exactly 60 min (a rub and tug) and aren't capable of changing it up for a longer session. I just know I'm going to get a packaged experience, whereras an intuitive, skilled, trained masseur would never have a problem offering a 90min massage. Just my two-cents.

 

WOW Cowboy, 2-3 hr bookings ??? For the money you spend, you should change your name to DIAMOND cowboy... Rhinestones are beneath you buddy....

[orbital sander]

gee, sorry if I upset some by suggesting don't discuss money at the meeting...as bosguy says, it's important to get the terms set up beforehand, of course.....but, obviously, to avoid a possible sting, shouldn't money talk be avoided at the meet?.....(I don't really like to talk about money anyway)

 

I am not upset, I just have a different perspective. I always discuss the fee for time...never has been a problem

[orbital sander]

I too believe in the descrete use of envelopes... Perhaps we were raised in the Midwest?

 

and big sticks too ;)

[rvwnsd]

I too believe in the descrete use of envelopes... Perhaps we were raised in the Midwest?

 

Although I put the money in an envelope, I ALWAYS confirm the fee amount prior to meeting. The purpose of the envelope (for me) is not discretion...it is to make sure I do not misplace the money.

[gcursor]

Somewhere

 

I put it in an envelope as well

 

HOWEVER the key is WHERE I put the envelope for people to get..now that's fun!

Gcursor

 

I too believe in the descrete use of envelopes... Perhaps we were raised in the Midwest?

[jjkrkwood]

Its funny and interesting how this tread transitioned from warning signs to Fees and payments..... So much for staying focused and on track. LOL

[+ azdr0710]

Its funny and interesting how this tread transitioned from warning signs to Fees and payments..... So much for staying focused and on track. LOL

 

well, how the fee and payment is handled (by both client and escort) can be a warning sign, of course.....

[jjkrkwood]

well, how the fee and payment is handled (by both client and escort) can be a warning sign, of course.....

 

The outcome of the discussion regarding fee/payment might be, but certainly the actual handling of it is after the fact....

[+ glutes]

Another warning sign is an escort taking on multiple personalities. Purporting to be from 'across the pond', staying-up all night making long winded alcohol-infused posts is a good bet that she's not a good escort...