Escort Ads--Safe Or Not?

[RexAll]

I'm not sure if this should go in this section of the Forum, but if it doesn't I hope the moderators will move it to the proper section.

 

So I've been looking at Rentmen a little bit more closely than I have in the past. And I notice that what seemed to me to be a lot of ads listing bareback in their list of "likes". Now before IML there was thread where it was mentioned that Brad Hunt in Chicago had bareback listed. Someone contacted Brad, Brad reportedly said it was an oversight--he played safe--and removed the "barebacking" from his "like" list.

 

Since I saw so many escorts on Rentmen listing bareback--and with the experience of Brad in mind--I was wondering if possibly when setting the ad up the "bareback" option was easy to overlook and that was why I saw it on so many adds. So I called an escort a few days ago who had "bareback" listed to see if it was a mistake. He said no it wasn't. He also told me that any reference to "bareback" on M4RN was removed by the owners of M4RN which is why you don't see any ads listing bareback on that site.

 

Then today I noticed an ad for Barebackmasters.com on Rentmen. So I applaud Rentmen for taking a stand against Scott Sloan--but they also seem to be taking a pro stance or at least a favorably neutral stance on barebacking--and that I'm not thrilled with.

 

Rex

[Poolboy21409]

I don't usually jump in on "heady" threads, but....I think restricting ads based on stated "I do or I don't" may be a bit in the face of the first amendment. At least the escort admits that his sometimes behavior includes bareback. And this would be a decision to be made between the client and the escort - whether to bareback, or in the case of just a client, whether to hire the escort for some activity knowing that he has stated that he does bareback. Doesn't this all just boil down to "CHOICE". Freedom to choose.

[Guest Spanker01]

Unfortunately a lot of escorts, I think, either ignore the "likes" box or just skim through it when setting up there ads. Not a good thing as one can loose potential clients, or get a lot of inquiries looking do stuff, he, the escort isn't willing to do. Same thing on Rentboy with "specialities ..."

 

Spanker

[josephga]

It's simple assume everyone has aids use protection

[Nvr2Thick]

A couple of points:

If a guy specifies he's into bareback he's probably telling the truth. If a guy says "safe only" you'll never know for sure. I've had a couple of "safe only" escorts try to lube and enter without a condom and I've had to ask them to back off and suit up. Years ago I hired the late Austin Black. He went into me with a condom and then fucked me raw after we took a break from some awesome rough fucking. I didn't realize it until he pulled out the second time. I feel fairly lucky to have tested negative in the years to follow.

 

If you're using the "safe only" disclosure as an indication of an escort's safety you're playing a fool's game. You'll never know whether the total top "safe only" guy who fucked you with a condom plays unsafe as a bottom or top in his personal life. You should use a condom because you don't know who may or may not be infected. There's no more or less risk involved in fucking with a POZ guy as there is with a guy of undetermined status. And EVERYONE else is of undetermined status.

 

Spanker is right about the Specialties category on Rentboy. A lot of guys have to be skimming by this section when they set up their escort profiles. "Diapers?" Really? Also, take note that Rentboy gives escorts the option to drop categories. Jake Mitchell's escort ad, as one example, does not include the Safe Sex category. Some clients might breeze through such ads and take less note than they would of an ad stating "Never Safe" or "Sometimes Safe". Jake Mitchell has also done one bareback video. These facts make him no less or more safe than Arpad Miklos.

 

If you think that avoiding the disclosed barebackers and outright POZ guys is gonna help you, you might look for matching ads on other social sites. If the ads are to believed, profiles for CutlerX and Joe Malone, for example, on A4A provide information for those of you who find such things significant.

 

Guys escort for different reasons. It seems to me that Cole Tucker once said in an interview that he began his porn and escorting career BECAUSE he tested positive and then chose to become more adventurous with his sexuality. I also wonder how many clients have done the same.

[JT Brooklyn]

My own thinking on this is those that want to Play UNSAFE will have this as one of their FIRST Questions to the "Working Guy" they are Contacting!

 

As was mentioned the Advertising "I Bareback" definitely cuts down on a Working Guys Income!

 

Although Doing and NOT saying in an AD probably broadens his Client Base..Sadly

[+ Axiom2001]

It's simple assume everyone has aids use protection

 

I have read this innumerable times here by some of my fellow posters, but please spell the disease accurately: AIDS is an acronym!

...not being critical, just want all acronyms spelled adequately and dealt with. In unity....

[Decatur Guy]

I deal with this upfront. No matter what's advertised, I just say I want condoms to be used. And I'll ask about it twice.

[colbyjansen]

It's simple assume everyone has aids use protection

 

That's my opinion. I get requests all the time for bb play and I'm sorry, a few hundred dollars isn't worth my life. I like to think my life has some worth to it than someone's dump off or vice versa.

 

I don't understand how guys want me to "breed" them - I'm an escort, which means I generally have more sexual partners than most people. It's like they want to catch something.

 

If a client brings that up, I won't even see them.

[jjkrkwood]

I agree with Full disclosure, and the right to choose. In this day and age, we should all be fairly educated about Safe Sex, however, the choice is ultimately yours to make. Ads should also be Honest and include HIV status so that you have all the facts to make the right decision for yourself

[+ Travis69]

I asked one guy, not an escort, what his HIV/STD status was and he replied "I am married so you know I am clean". I then asked if he had ever had an HIV test and he said no. Asked if he ever got screened for any STDs. Answer was no. I think there are a lot of married men out there who have never been tested for anything. They are scraed to ask their family doctor and afraid to go to any anonymous clinics.

[josephga]

I asked one guy, not an escort, what his HIV/STD status was and he replied "I am married so you know I am clean". I then asked if he had ever had an HIV test and he said no. Asked if he ever got screened for any STDs. Answer was no. I think there are a lot of married men out there who have never been tested for anything. They are scraed to ask their family doctor and afraid to go to any anonymous clinics.

 

I agree. I Had a friend once that escorted he told me that he made it clear to his clients that he was negative and only offered safe scenes. He told me the majority of the guys that asked him if he would bareback were married guys. meaning they wanted too fuck him without a condom they acted like because they were married that they couldn't have anything

[Steven_Draker]

He told me the majority of the guys that asked him if he would bareback were married guys.

 

In my experience the number of married guys asking for barebacking has decreased. People aren't that naive anymore. On the other hand barebacking has increased in the gay community and with that the risk of transmitting HIV and other STD.

 

Know your status.

 

A person who is diagnosed early and under treatment is less likely to transmit the virus to their sexual partners than those who don't know and don't care about their status and fuck bareback.

 

The best protection against HIV/AIDS known today is still the condom.

[josephga]

I see its really on the rise in guys in their early 20's They have this idea in their head that its manageable like high blood pressure or diabetics.

[orbital sander]

I have read this innumerable times here by some of my fellow posters, but please spell the disease accurately: AIDS is an acronym!

...not being critical, just want all acronyms spelled adequately and dealt with. In unity....

 

Our Champion...where have you been???

[Lohengrin1979]

I see its really on the rise in guys in their early 20's They have this idea in their head that its manageable like high blood pressure or diabetics.

 

I have many friends in this age group with this exact mentality. It is truly frightening to me to hear them talk about HIV/AIDS as though it's inconsequential to their futures. I've even had some of them tell me that you can't catch it if you don't have sex with guys over 40. I just want to smack these idiots upside the head.

[Guest Merlin]

Sex is never absolutely safe but we must do what we can to make it "safer". Yes, assume the other guy is positive and act accordingly with condoms etc. BUT sex is safer still if you avoid guys whom you know or believe to be positive. Accidents happen even with "safer" sex; condoms break cum can splash or be transferred by hand etc.

So, I do not hire guys who advertise that they are positive, or bareback, or sometimes safe, or "anything goes", "no limits" etc. On rentboy I look for guys who say Always Safe, even though I know it is not a reliable indication they are negative. The reverse is however more reliable. If they omit to say "always safe" it is probably not an oversight, in my opinion.

That being said, I deplore the suggestion that any of the sites omit references to barebacking. I suppose they do not want to encourage it, but by omitting it they are reducing one of the indicators that an escort is positive. Escorts are reluctant to say that they are positive and should be afforded ways to hint at it without actually saying it. Bareback, "sometimes safe" alert the client without putting the escort in the position of announcing to the world that he is positive.

 

At this point, someone always says "just assume everyone is positive and play safe". Fine, but some people want a little more safety by avoiding those who are. or probably are,positive.

[+ Tygerscent]

My favorite lines to ponder are: "I only bottom raw for my boyfriend", "We have an open relationship and always play together", "We are exclusive"... "I don't remember. I was passed out."

 

Make the effort to play as though everyone including your husband/partner is poz for something... it's not just about HIV. It's also about Chlamydia, the clap, herps, hep... venereal warts etc...

 

I like to get into the STD clinic four times a year just for the peace of mind.

 

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I'm not sure if this should go in this section of the Forum, but if it doesn't I hope the moderators will move it to the proper section.

 

So I've been looking at Rentmen a little bit more closely than I have in the past. And I notice that what seemed to me to be a lot of ads listing bareback in their list of "likes". Now before IML there was thread where it was mentioned that Brad Hunt in Chicago had bareback listed. Someone contacted Brad, Brad reportedly said it was an oversight--he played safe--and removed the "barebacking" from his "like" list.

 

Since I saw so many escorts on Rentmen listing bareback--and with the experience of Brad in mind--I was wondering if possibly when setting the ad up the "bareback" option was easy to overlook and that was why I saw it on so many adds. So I called an escort a few days ago who had "bareback" listed to see if it was a mistake. He said no it wasn't. He also told me that any reference to "bareback" on M4RN was removed by the owners of M4RN which is why you don't see any ads listing bareback on that site.

 

Then today I noticed an ad for Barebackmasters.com on Rentmen. So I applaud Rentmen for taking a stand against Scott Sloan--but they also seem to be taking a pro stance or at least a favorably neutral stance on barebacking--and that I'm not thrilled with.

 

Rex