Escort hiring slump. Have you had one?

[ncc1701d]

For the most part of my less then stellar experiences, they were not "shitty" but just not great, like a 5-6 out of 10. I chalked it up to my expectations and chemistry. Then there was one time when the escort went "haywire" on me cuz he couldn't get the directions right despite me spelling it out on the phone and email and provided the exact address so he can GPS/google it, but by the time he got to my room, calmed down, and we chatted abit, things proceeded nicely. But I was all set to cancel when he went beserk on the phone. The two really bad one (both in Orlando..funny) I probably should have written a review. But one was a "short term" escort and recommendations from the Muslce service site and I don't think he's in the biz anymore. The second one I toyed with, but he has tons of excellent reviews here (and if fact I lusted after him for years reading them here) so I didn't given the backlash I'm likely to receive from having been reading this board for a while. The most recent one didn't warrant a review, as we never got to that, except that he demanded for my photos before meeting and when I refused, he sent quite the nasty email!!! And yes he also has lots of positive review on here, so the best reason I can come up with was I caught him on a "roid rage" day!

[best hotel]

PK......i totally get it......sometimes, my interest in hiring runs out as the business aspect of the encounter becomes figure and the passion becomes ground..and all the men and their cocks feel the same....sometimes, finding someone new or cuddling with an old regular helps....as well as a break from hiring......a week usually does it for me

[buckguy]

The second one I toyed with, but he has tons of excellent reviews here (and if fact I lusted after him for years reading them here) so I didn't given the backlash I'm likely to receive from having been reading this board for a while. The most recent one didn't warrant a review, as we never got to that, except that he demanded for my photos before meeting and when I refused, he sent quite the nasty email!!! And yes he also has lots of positive review on here, so the best reason I can come up with was I caught him on a "roid rage" day!

 

We keep hearing about these well reviewed guys who disappointed. We need some specifics. I mention this because a negative review for an otherwise well-reviewed escort once turned out to be very prescient for me. This was a bout 10 years ago. The guy was at Premier in Philly and beside one overly swoony review, the comments were very credibly positive, with one highly detailed and rather negative review as the exception. The guy had been popular for overnights, which I wanted and so I went ahead. I don't remember the specifics, but the negative review captured much of what transpired during my evening. In a nutshell, the guy started out as though this were an hourly and that would be it--no social stuff, etc. He must have caught my increasing puzzlement because he realized that he'd screwed-up and he offered to start things over. Things went mostly okay from there and from the conversation, I got the impression that he had a lot of stuff going on and was unlikely to stay in the biz much longer. I didn't write a review, simply because I thought he was on his way out and that review would probably appear as he exited. A few weeks later, he was, indeed, gone, although he did make a brief re-appearance the following year.

 

Long story made short.....roid rage or whatever you attribute a bad time, it may happen to someone else, too. One bad review among many shouldn't disqualify a guy from being hired, but a credible negative review does round out the picture of the escort.

[olympus]

This field is largely dominated by Rentboy and the reviews on this site.

If there are defects in either, the experience suffers.

Rentboy is simply a hotbed of fraud and falsehood. With the exception of some well known advertisers who just use Rentboy to note their presence, it is highly likely that a customer will be burned, to continue the hotbed analogy.

The reviews on this site pose a different issue. Assuming that the reviews and reviewers are honest, the statements made are just one person's opinion. Multiple reviews offer the opinions of several persons, but that's about it. There is no requirement of objectivity in reviews, nor should there be. Since tastes and practices differ, the reviews are just snapshots of the reviewer's reaction at a particular time and place.

The solution to this--and it's not an easy one-- is that patrons should seek out their own escorts through personal references and introductions. That works.

[Guest Rich.]

PK,

 

Further to my previous post, I've realised one of things that caused my biggest slump in hiring was the changeover from 'paid encounter' to 'by the hour'. For me, it changed the dynamics, and negated some of the social aspect of hiring, which is something that's important to me.

 

I also think another issue might be that the markets, like pornography, have fragmented. Here in the UK, we have the rank (!) amateur (CL, Gaydar), semi-pro (Pizza Boy, Chariots), pro (Rentboy), agency (Capital) plus the three (or four?) brothels.

 

Just some thoughts.

 

Richard

[seeker630]

PK,

 

Further to my previous post, I've realised one of things that caused my biggest slump in hiring was the changeover from 'paid encounter' to 'by the hour'. For me, it changed the dynamics, and negated some of the social aspect of hiring, which is something that's important to me.

 

I also think another issue might be that the markets, like pornography, have fragmented. Here in the UK, we have the rank (!) amateur (CL, Gaydar), semi-pro (Pizza Boy, Chariots), pro (Rentboy), agency (Capital) plus the three (or four?) brothels.

 

Just some thoughts.

 

Richard

 

Not to hijack but...what brothels? We kow about Villa Gianni, but are there others?

[down_to_business]

One thing that I really never considered before reading the replies in this thread was to attribute some of this to generational differences. Do you all realize that it was about 15 years ago that the Macarena debuted.. or 17 years ago that OJ Simpson was driving down the highway in that Ford Bronco.. that Rubik's Cube came out in 1980 or that the Rocky Horror Picture Show is from 1975. That stuff alone is older than some of the guys that we are hiring.

 

Whether you are a traditionalist (born before 1941) or a baby boomer (1942 to 1953) a gen x'er (1966 to 1980) or a gen Joneser like me (1954-1965) we all have differences in values, attitudes, and behaviors.

 

The Millennials (1981 +) that are a big chunk of service providers grew up a whole different way then we did. One key difference is they stay in touch through texting.. even if its with a person in the same room as them! This generation also grew up with the notion that all they need to do is show up. Millennials didn't have to win a competition (for example) to get a trophy like we did.. we gave them their trophy for simply participating. Hence they feel that work (and escorting for example) is the same, all they need to do is simply show up and get their trophy. These millennials have good qualities as well, optimistic, ambitious, confident, diverse, inclusive, with street smarts and civic duty.

 

Anyways.. the thing I find interesting about this 'theory' and my point is that I don't have much in common with these guys and vice versa. I think I will have more success myself if I move to hiring at least the Gen X'ers [ like that hunk of a man Kurt from New York that was reviewed today but I have never seen (yet!) or one of my personal favorites JLA ] for multiple hours and longer, and simply do the 1 hour appointments with the younger guys. Of course there are more than generational differences that make or break a successful encounter, but this could be a at least a part of it.

[Guest Rich.]

Fantastic post DTB, it slays me that it's almost 35 years ago when my then firm jaw dropped as I watched the opening sequence of Star Wars at the cinema!

 

My experience of the current crop of young men (18-22) is that they relate to the world in a completely different way to me. That's not a criticism, it's just a fact. They socialise in conjunction with technology, whether it's on their mobile, laptop, or game console, etc. It's me that doesn't relate to them!

 

Richard

[Phil_musc]

These are very good points, especially that it is a difference in the way younger groups relate to the world (and each other) compared with even modestly older guys. The relationship skills are different too and it's harder for some of us to bridge that gap. Maybe that's why I feel more comfortable with somewhat older guys - those 18-22 year olds are just not on my wave length, nor I theirs. Let's hear it for the mature escorts!

[buckguy]

The baby boom started in '46 (after demobilization) and depending on the demographer ended around '61 or '62. Births peaked in '58. Few people were born during WWII--they remember when there was no tv and often didn't spend all of their childhoods in the suburbs--no connection to the Depression and no memory of wartime shortages.

 

It's not just generations, it's ages. the younger guys lack the life experience to run a business or understand what their own needs let alone those of a diverse clientele. I'd guess sure 20-somethings were among the flakier escorts 30 years ago, too.

[Guest WinsomeVic]

I'm in a slump now. A big part of it is the economy and cash being tight. I think an escort or an agency could do really well if they offered a summer discount. $50 off, for example, would make a big difference for me, and I am sure for other guys.

[jawjateck]

Hiring slump? For me, at least annually, for 11 years running.....And then, just when I think I'm ready to hang it up and walk away, a scorching new rentboy ad appears somewhere across our America, and kindles the fire again. HA!

[Dave]

ugh, i couldn’t stand reading this thread and not commenting. so here goes; i’m jumping into the water with my clothes on - a rarity, i know - because this is mostly about me as an escort. and, it’s long. apologies for that!

 

here are all the points i want to make...

1. purplekow: hire me. i wanna fuck the slump out of you. and i’ll go to jersey, or anywhere else in the world.

and to seeker630, OceanTraveller, down_to_business, Rich, Bart, curiousheartguy, philmusc, MichiganMan, Racketjock, ncc1701d, buckguy, WinsomeVic, jawjateck - perhaps i’m not your physical type... or my price is too high... or you haven’t tried me because i don’t show face pics. still, i hope you might consider me after reading these points. i’d like to be one of the guys who turns your negative experiences around.

2. “difficulty getting escorts to respond” - i respond.

3. “difficulty in getting to set a time” - why wouldn't they want to set a time? i set up appointments... which leads me to the next complaint...

4. “difficulty with escorts unapologetically missing appointments with little little or no explanation.” - i don’t give little, or “little little” or “no” explanations - - - i just don't miss appointments.

5. “difficulty with unsatisfactory sessions” - well, i have NEVER had a bad review or dealt with a seriously unsatisfied client. i know, some of you guys are thinking of blackmailed reviews discussed later in the thread, but i REALLY have never even had one thrown towards me. and i’m proud that i can make all these points - - - i work hard to be a top quality escort.

6. “No return call” - i cannot say that i have a 100% return call rate, but it probably is 99.5%. in other words, i have erred in this regard in the past, but only rarely, and it has been accidental. i don’t blow people off (i mean, in the non-physical way)

7. “he said can I go watch tv?” - i'm with my clients virtually all the time we are together. i find most things in life interesting, so what my client wants to do, i usually enjoy doing, too - even if it is something i'd never considered before. now, on full day or multiple day appts, i request 1-2 waking hours daily to myself to deal with phone calls/emails, etc (but here’s a secret, it’s also to let you miss me a little! LOL)

8. “an insulin syringe I found on the toilet” - that would NOT be mine. i work out; i don’t shoot up.

9. “demanded the entire fee upfront” - i never do that, in fact i find it nicer if we deal with money at the end of our experience.

10. “slept over 12 hours a day” - i need about 5 hours minimum. i rarely sleep more than 7.

11. “refused any and all body contact” - i happen to love body contact, love sleeping with someone, and love snuggling.

12. “refused to do anything in the daytime” - nope, that's not me.

13. “playtime at nighttime was limited to about 15 minutes” - not me, either. in fact, i can play longer than most people i know.

14. “didn't listen to me at all (as in conversations)” - ugh, that's just both rude and unprofessional.

15. “and he chewed my ass out for not buying him a cup of coffee” - well, truth to tell, i might chew your ass out if you don’t buy me coffee in the morning. but then again, i might eat your ass out even if you don’t!

16. “refused to go to bed at all because he was texting his friends for 20 of the 24 hours we were together” - ok, well, a. i don’t text, and b. i don’t usually refuse offers to go to bed with someone.

17. “he texted with one hand while we played around” - i like to use both my hands when playing around. and my feet, too, if possible. and my other, uh, extremities.

18. “This guy had the nerve to text me a few weeks later and ask me to wire him a few hundred more dollars because his car broke down.” - i will never pull any stunts like that. clients of mine can rest assured, i will not come begging for additional money later. this is probably a good time to say, i don’t upcharge, either. if an appointment runs over our agreed-upon time, i will NOT bump up the price.

19. “visitor’s trip fatigue” - traveling or not, i don't cram my days with so many appointments that i’m worn out. i have never heard anyone indicate dissatisfaction with me being too tired to perform.

20. buckguy wrote, “guys who get into the business in their late 20s or afterward (and stay in it for awhile), have a much better sense of what they're doing and what a client needs, partly because of life experience” - i think he is right. and if anyone wants me to “bore” them with my life experiences, ask away ...but in a session, please

21. “Down-to-Business’ main argument [is that] that clients refrain from posting negative reviews in order to avoid an ugly row. If this is true, it amounts to indirect blackmail, and would mean there's no way to warn clients against frauds and swindlers. Conscientious escorts, where are you on this?” - since i consider myself a conscientious escort, i feel i ought to respond. when i hear someone express something negative about an escort THAT SEEMS SIGNIFICANT, i think it should be shared publicly in a review. yes, thats what the review process is partly - hmm, perhaps mostly - for. if you’re going to post a review with some negativity, yeah, you should be prepared for the backlash (the “ugly row”) but if you’ve got any balls, you should be able to defend your original statement. if it gets to be too much time for you, then it becomes time to walk away from the argument with the ‘scort. in other words, agree to disagree, and move on. this is all just my opinion though.

22. “agreeing to my explicit description of what I wanted and never doing any of it” - i take care to listen to what my clients say they like or want (see point #14 above) and then try and work it into our time together.

23. “stayed limp all 2 hrs” - ha, i dare you to find the person who could say that about me!

24. “a total top who couldn't fuck for more than 3 min” - well, i’m a versatile top, or a versatile guy, (or hey, i can be your bottom boy if you really want that, LOL), and i can fuck for more than 3 HOURS.

25. “the business aspect of the encounter becomes figure and the passion becomes ground.” - this was written by best hotel. well, although i am quite businesslike pre-appointment, once the damn thing starts, well - anything can happen! best hotel might back me up on this one...

[best hotel]

dave....you can definitely break anyone's slump.....are you still coming to nyc this summer?

[bluboy]

I am in a similar slump on many things but i think it is ennuie and the fact that the world in general has overhyped things and can no longer deliver. I have gone to sooo many allegedly great restaurants over the years in NYC and LA and Vegas etc etc and yet am no longer having great meals despite the raves. So much hiring over the years and am no longer having great sex despite the raves. So many shows and operas over the years and all so unmemorable despite the raves. so many art openings and nothing as memorable as it was. So many sex clubs over thea years and none as they used to be. I am only 44. what the fuck? But I m bored out of my mind. And i have done the escort threesomes and foursomes and outdoors and whatever else. I indulged in the pnp which ran for a few months and then even that got boring. I think it is only partially me being "overexposed" and partially there is too much over praising and also too much underdelivering on everything because everyone is over preaised. So purplekow i wonder if it is only the escorting that is boring for you but in fact all on offer. I got the ipad and was excited by it for 2 weeks and then yes i still use it but so much times and effort of people raging and its like whatever. Lady Gaga concert never excited me like Blond Ambition which was way more exviting than the HArd Candy Show....if you were a gay man with money in the last 15 years and reasonably sociable I kind of feel like you did and saw everything and therer is really nothing new under the sun. So purplekow I feel your pain--but for me it is broader than escorting-- and yes i did brazil and barcelona and i did the hire the non-escorts and the b-level movie starsa and all the standard list of thrills--- nothing/nada/basta-- let me know if you find a solution! i will join you in trying it out.

[Dave]

dave....you can definitely break anyone's slump.....are you still coming to nyc this summer?

 

thanks, BH. yes, i am coming to nyc. july. nothing can keep me from nyc's sizzling summer! just left you a message.

 

bluboy - although i don't know you at all, the words you wrote stuck me as being not bored, but maybe mildly depressed? or perhaps it's just a simple change of perspective that could help.

the world IS an amazing place, and sometimes leaving the realm of the high-tech, most fabulous, most famous, and most beautiful - and getting into more simple things - could help to reframe one's experience on the planet. IMO, the best thing to do when in a slump (i think everyone experiences slumps of some sorts) is to push yourself into something quite different from what you've done before. if it's a little terrifying to you, even better. like having a new experience with something that seems challenging (for example, traversing brazil's pantanal savannah by horseback, staying in fazendas, struggling with some portuguese - instead of, say, taking a luxury cruise ship to rio). i find that adventure travel clears my head and makes me feel particularly "alive."

[jawjateck]

Wow Dave! That's a thorough assessment of this thread.

 

My previous reply was a bit joking, but I know what these long-time hirers are feeling. I have been at it for 11 years, and the thrill and fantasy of it is over, for the most part. Been there, done that, seen it all, experienced it all. The only thing that is remotely stimulating now is taking chances on new/unreviewed guys, of which I have been hiring more of such in the last two years. In fact, I have one of those scheduled tomorrow. I know the risks abound for this, no shows, flakes, problems, problems, problems, but it seems to provide the last thrill fix for my hiring habit. HA! I have yet to be burned doing this; some of these have been great hires, the worst were ok, so no worse than some of the well-reviewed Hooville hall of fame escorts I have hired over the years. I am ok if one of these hires does not work out well. It's a risk-reward scenario. Discovering awesome new providers is the last remaining thrill I am pursuing in this hobby; which means I may be closer to the end of this than I realize.

[+ purplekow]

A few years ago, I hired an escort sight unseen. I was in Las Vegas and I told him I would meet him at the bar in the casino hotel. I told him I would approach him, not to approach me. So about 10 minutes before the appointed time, I went down to the bar. After about 15 minutes a hot guy came strolling into the bar and sat down. I waited and then sidled up and began a conversation. After around 20 minutes, after some drinks and some laughs and right before I was about to suggest going to my room, the escort called my phone and said he was waiting in the bar and was I going to show. I looked around and saw him on his phone and excused myself and headed over the escort. I was so relaxed approaching a guy I would never have approached otherwise and the response was great. I probably should have stayed with the pick up rather than the professional, but once I knew about my mistake, my usual inhibitions returned. Who knows, maybe the guy was a working guy, or a cop or just a guy looking for some sex. Point is, Jawja have you considered this, meeting an escort of whom you know very little and trying to pick him up?

[Michael Wayne]

Just read the entire thread and it was thoughtfully presented and well responded to. I would like to SECOND Rockin Dave in EVERYTHING he said. There are good ones out there and quite a few of us who ALWAYS ANSWER THE PHONE and always show up and always perform to the best of our ability. Most importantly we are always nice to the client. PLEASE guys don't let those bad experiences keep you from doing what you want to do when you want to do it. I understand how frustrating it is because so many clients tell me of their horrible hiring or attempted hiring history. As Dave said I would love to meet all of you. I realize every client has a different type so I may not be for everyone but there are good escorts of ALL TYPES out there right now just waiting for the phone to ring or to get a text or email from YOU. all my best to everyone: http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1 504-756-9443

[Dave]

how ironic - on this review site... actually knowing about an escort isnt as exciting as connecting with an unknown, unreviewed escort. the human mind is so interesting, isnt it?

 

mikey9nola obviously feels the same as i do on this. although i don’t know him yet, i suspect he is quality driven (doing this for reasons beyond the money).

 

i think after first reading all those sentiments from so many of you, i was left with a real feeling to want to provide my services to you guys. to show you that there are men out there who you havent tried yet, who still have the qualities you seek.

 

although i’m not a dummy about promoting my business, that first post i wrote on the thread may have seemed like shameless promotion. in fact it was written with an honest desire to make the experience happen - not to make the money come into my wallet. (geez... even writing this sounds ridiculous though, i wonder if any of you believe me on this.) fact is, i revised the post a couple times because it was written from a place of great enthusiasm, and after re-reading it i felt it was too over the top. after posting it i still felt it was a bit over the top on myself - but on the other hand the forum, being such a dicey place for ‘scorts, has trained many of us to be overly careful with what we bang out on our keyboards. so at some point i just decided to post the damn thing. but i almost didnt, and that was AFTER spending an hour pulling people’s various points and writing it out.

[+ purplekow]

Dave this is a dicey place for escort. Write in a thread about yourself and it is self promotional. Have a satisfied client write about you and it may be gushing. There is a fine fine line and I don't deny that the escorts who post here have a fair complaint in that regard. I did not take your post as self promotion, though there is nothing wrong with strongly stating positive things about oneself. Many people are not comfortable speaking strongly and positively about themselves. Ask someone to list 5 positive things about themselves and many will hem and haw. Ask for 5 negative things and pretty soon you have a Russian novel length list. So don't apologize or explain be glad that you have the self confidence to speak positively about yourself and be very glad that you have the goods to back it up.

[gcursor]

5 things

 

I can tell 5 positive things about myself.....just for clarification purpose..how long do I have to think these things up though?

Gcursor

 

Dave this is a dicey place for escort. Write in a thread about yourself and it is self promotional. Have a satisfied client write about you and it may be gushing. There is a fine fine line and I don't deny that the escorts who post here have a fair complaint in that regard. I did not take your post as self promotion, though there is nothing wrong with strongly stating positive things about oneself. Many people are not comfortable speaking strongly and positively about themselves. Ask someone to list 5 positive things about themselves and many will hem and haw. Ask for 5 negative things and pretty soon you have a Russian novel length list. So don't apologize or explain be glad that you have the self confidence to speak positively about yourself and be very glad that you have the goods to back it up.