What ways can you guarantee the legitimacy of clients prior to traveling?

[JoeyBryant]

After having traveled as much as I do, I almost feel I should be able to answer the question myself...But every once in awhile I'll go to a city and I forget that I don't have all the answers.

 

So far things were going smoothly and I arrived at my 3rd city for the week. Well, I had a seemingly fair share of emails that I thought warranted making the trip. I also had confirmations with a particular client as well. I'd come over 400 miles just to get here and then he drops a bombshell excuse of a sudden illness 3 hours after we were on the phone for 10 or 15 minutes discussing plans and he'd emailed me throughout prior to me coming.

 

A client prior to that called me, and then cancelled an hour later. Another one I'm not too sure about. And another one I have not received an email back from. All of them in the same city.

 

Now, my usual prescription of preventing this from happening is to get a deposit...which I did so the other day for an overnight because I had to travel well over 300 miles. However, when I have someone who is only wanting an hour I find it's generally not as easy. And I'm not talking about going somewhere for 1 specific client for an hour. I'm talking about putting up an ad in a travel city for all to see, and getting a deposit from each and every person prior to arrival. That's the hard part. Not hard to convey the reasoning behind it but getting them to commit what they say they will.

 

Luckily I'd only got a hotel for this 1 night tonight, so I can just take off tomorrow. But I've still wasted money and time and I don't like having that happen...And when it does I have to revert back to asking everyone for a deposit before I even get there.

 

Sounds like I'm answering my own question here, but I'm thinking about seeing clients out of town only if they are willing to give a deposit. I mean, the past few times I've traveled this year I have not had to ask for but 2 deposits. Yet I'd show up based on the emails and calls I received and everything would be fine. But I'm getting less and less inclined to take risks like this, even if it only happens once in a blue. And seems like the only way to prevent it is to implement a mandatory deposit from anyone who is interested if it involves getting on the road or up in the air.

 

What other ways could be suggested?

[leigh.bess.toad]

Joey -- I'm not sure if there is much else you can do. I'm not a big fan of deposits but maybe because I have never and will never cancel an appointment once it's confirmed. And in the bizarre event I had to, I feel it is my responsibility to make sure you get paid for the time I had reserved anyway. I don't know how many guys are like that, but I've come to appreciate what you guys do in traveling to us. I've learned how flaky some "clients" can be and it makes it hard for those clients like me. A lot of my escorts have let me into their lives some and I've seen what you guys have to go through, with guys who cancel, the guys who simply waste your time with emails and phone calls with no intention of booking you. Most of the members of the forum are probably the types of clients you want because from my impression, most of these guys are the reliable clients you can always count on. In some ways it would be good to have a "database" about clients you guys could share, at least about reliability and follow-through. Because absent that and your gut reading of a potential client, I'm not sure what else you can do without a deposit.

[Guest Spanker01]

Good Morning Joey,

 

Like Lee, I have never stiffed one of you guys, and never will. I like Lee's, idea of a database about us. It's a good idea and could work work for the client's benefit as well as yours. I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen though. I do not like deposits for obvious reasons. However, for a well known escort on this board such as yourself, I might do one.

 

Spanker

[gcursor]

Yes to deposit

 

I would support putting in a deposit. I kind of expect that when I see escorts now. I would even support it for doing SHORTER term appointments if it would help lessen the worries of the escort's in trying to determine reliability...or offer it as a type of bonus "incentive" (of sorts) for certain clients so they know that they can see you for sure. Make it "non-refundable" and WATCH how fast your "no-show" encounters plummet to 0. People are going to say this will hurt your business and that might be true but as it is always, a few bad apples are screwing it up for everybody else and you have to put in rules to deal with them

 

Personally I think it's really sad to see this happening again and again...at times it seems that people are "using" the system for their own personal gains and not caring what happens to anybody else as a result of it. I mean yes I know, "things happen" but with the postings that I read, it seems that an inordinate number of "things happen" especially in certain cities.

 

 

Gcursor

 

After having traveled as much as I do, I almost feel I should be able to answer the question myself...But every once in awhile I'll go to a city and I forget that I don't have all the answers.

 

So far things were going smoothly and I arrived at my 3rd city for the week. Well, I had a seemingly fair share of emails that I thought warranted making the trip. I also had confirmations with a particular client as well. I'd come over 400 miles just to get here and then he drops a bombshell excuse of a sudden illness 3 hours after we were on the phone for 10 or 15 minutes discussing plans and he'd emailed me throughout prior to me coming.

 

A client prior to that called me, and then cancelled an hour later. Another one I'm not too sure about. And another one I have not received an email back from. All of them in the same city.

 

Now, my usual prescription of preventing this from happening is to get a deposit...which I did so the other day for an overnight because I had to travel well over 300 miles. However, when I have someone who is only wanting an hour I find it's generally not as easy. And I'm not talking about going somewhere for 1 specific client for an hour. I'm talking about putting up an ad in a travel city for all to see, and getting a deposit from each and every person prior to arrival. That's the hard part. Not hard to convey the reasoning behind it but getting them to commit what they say they will.

 

Luckily I'd only got a hotel for this 1 night tonight, so I can just take off tomorrow. But I've still wasted money and time and I don't like having that happen...And when it does I have to revert back to asking everyone for a deposit before I even get there.

 

Sounds like I'm answering my own question here, but I'm thinking about seeing clients out of town only if they are willing to give a deposit. I mean, the past few times I've traveled this year I have not had to ask for but 2 deposits. Yet I'd show up based on the emails and calls I received and everything would be fine. But I'm getting less and less inclined to take risks like this, even if it only happens once in a blue. And seems like the only way to prevent it is to implement a mandatory deposit from anyone who is interested if it involves getting on the road or up in the air.

 

What other ways could be suggested?

[seeker630]

I had a session scheduled for yesterday with a traveling guy; I set this up early last week. When I emailed him Friday night to confirm, he told me that most of the guys who had pre-arranged sessions were 'flaking out'. Saturday morning, he emailed me that he was cancelling his trip because everyone except me had cancelled. He mentioned that this had happened before.

 

I'm not sure what the answer is - I suspect many/most clients will NOT be willing to provide a deposit - especially because of issues of anonymity and a paper trail (digital, actually, most likely).

 

I suspect this most adversely affects those of us outside major urban areas - in smaller cities, there's less chance of same-day appointemnts making up for cancellations.

[down_to_business]

I think standing anyone up sucks. I have never stood up an escort. Escorts have stood me up. Having been stood up, I would never pay a deposit. I do, however, pay for the travel (i.e. purchase the airline tickets) and send confirmation to the escort. Also, after an escort does that to me, I simply never hire them again.

 

As to why a database of clients is a bad idea. 1) It would potentially stop impartial and accurate reviews. Who is going to be willing to tell the truth about a bad experience when an escort threatens retalliation on the client database. 2) Some bad apples (yes there are bad escorts just like there are bad clients) would potentially harm clients so that they could retain their business by making no one else interested in taking them on as a client.

[JoeyBryant]

I had a session scheduled for yesterday with a traveling guy; I set this up early last week. When I emailed him Friday night to confirm, he told me that most of the guys who had pre-arranged sessions were 'flaking out'. Saturday morning, he emailed me that he was cancelling his trip because everyone except me had cancelled. He mentioned that this had happened before.

 

And that brings us back to deposits. By getting deposits it would automatically have weeded out the ones who would cancel.

 

In some cases as well there's not just deposits but a minimum time limit. When I first started I rarely got more than 1 hour appointments. But as time has gone by I expect to have an equal amount of longer bookings as well as 1 hour appointments. Otherwise it's not worth it. I live too far from all major cities to not do so.

 

Many times too I'll ask for deposits when I know I'm running thin. Obviously traveling is important to a degree, and you're doing it for a reason. But the thought of going somewhere with just enough for travel and hotel and having every one cancel just makes my stomach churn. And I've had that happen once and I wanted to make sure that never happened again.

[seeker630]

And that brings us back to deposits. By getting deposits it would automatically have weeded out the ones who would cancel.

 

 

It would also have weeded out me as well, since this was my first time with him & he is un-reviewed.

 

I think asking for deposits would hurt your business, but that is probably better than arriving in a city and having to cover all your own costs.

 

A difficult choice!

[Guest Spanker01]

Then there are those of us who do not do plastic. How would I get a deposit to you? USMail, Pay pal, Western Union? Would you be willing to give me your address so I can send a a check or mon ey order? I have been seriously stiffed a couple times over the years with a "deposit" and am concerned about doing it again. Just some things to think about.

 

Spanker

[leigh.bess.toad]

As others have said, the question of a deposit is a double-edged sword. I guess the first question is would you do it for a "regular" or repeat client or only for 1st time clients. How about for those of us who are known on these forums to be dependable, reliable people, even if we were first time clients. Guys such as Seeker and myself -- and you know pretty much the regular posters here who are, for lack of a better phrase, "professional" clients. Guys like us who know how to "Client well". For me, I've never been asked for a deposit and I'm not honestly quite sure I'd know how I would actually respond in the event of such a request. Since I'm not trying to add new guys to my list of hires, but seem to be doing so anyway (see you Friday, David-sf and Nate in June), the guys I'm hiring already know me anyway.

 

I know it is a tough spot for you guys, Joey and I feel the frustration. I've heard it from my escorts as well. And it frustrates me as well because it does cause problems for those of us that are reliable -- those like me who believe that once I've booked an appointment, I owe the guy for his time, even in the unlikely event I'd ever need to cancel. Unfortunately, there's no "perfect" answer for either side.

[gcursor]

Universal love

 

I dunno. I've found personally that it's still hard to be taken seriously when you make appointments even if you DO post on the forum in a regular manner UNLESS you're one of the people who has been here for years and done many, many, many, MANY postings (then apparently you're green-lit at that point in time by some invisible force that says that your veracity is now true and sound) and that everybody has fallen in universal love with you during said time (which means no extended flame wars)

 

I just wish I knew what the number of postings is but I think it's a moving target and partially depends on the month you joined, the day you joined and what lunar cycle the moon was in at the time.

Gcursor

 

p.s. I know I don't often say things that people can take seriously but I'm still trying to make a serious point in my posting above in my own way

 

As others have said, the question of a deposit is a double-edged sword. I guess the first question is would you do it for a "regular" or repeat client or only for 1st time clients. How about for those of us who are known on these forums to be dependable, reliable people, even if we were first time clients. Guys such as Seeker and myself -- and you know pretty much the regular posters here who are, for lack of a better phrase, "professional" clients. Guys like us who know how to "Client well". For me, I've never been asked for a deposit and I'm not honestly quite sure I'd know how I would actually respond in the event of such a request. Since I'm not trying to add new guys to my list of hires, but seem to be doing so anyway (see you Friday, David-sf and Nate in June), the guys I'm hiring already know me anyway.

 

I know it is a tough spot for you guys, Joey and I feel the frustration. I've heard it from my escorts as well. And it frustrates me as well because it does cause problems for those of us that are reliable -- those like me who believe that once I've booked an appointment, I owe the guy for his time, even in the unlikely event I'd ever need to cancel. Unfortunately, there's no "perfect" answer for either side.

[seeker630]

I dunno. I've found personally that it's still hard to be taken seriously when you make appointments even if you DO post on the forum in a regular manner UNLESS you're one of the people who has been here for years and done many, many, many, MANY postings (then apparently you're green-lit at that point in time by some invisible force that says that your veracity is now true and sound) and that everybody has fallen in universal love with you during said time (which means no extended flame wars)

 

I just wish I knew what the number of postings is but I think it's a moving target and partially depends on the month you joined, the day you joined and what lunar cycle the moon was in at the time.

Gcursor

 

p.s. I know I don't often say things that people can take seriously but I'm still trying to make a serious point in my posting above in my own way

 

The value of a reputation established here is probably limited to a relative handful of escorts who follow this site - and how would I prove to anyone that I am the seeker630 who posted my reviews?

[zach_wilson]

So it seams here recently that some of the people passing through that are looking for a few hours or an evening have been canceling, due to a cancelation in their meetings ext. as the escort though, this is rough, as the time has already been set aside for that particular client. Full time escorts(such as myself) also base personal life plans around the booking, should the client have to pay a deposit when booking locally? So that in the event of a cancelation on their behalf the escort has something? If so how should the deposit be brought up? And how much of the rate should the deposit be? Often i view traveling to clients easier as i view the plane ticket(often non refundable) as the "deposit". If in the event that a deposit should be require, how do you bring it up to the client? And as a client what would it take for you to trust that escort to leave a deposit with them? Hope y'all can help me out.

[gcursor]

Of Purple Kows, Video Stores and Insanity

 

That's right Seeker630..how would we know that it's you..that's why I always carry this. This is the FORUM IDENTIFICATION CARD. Wherever I go, I can flash this card and people automatically accept me as the genuine Gcursor. Just the other day I went to my local video store and flashed this card...and the clerk said "Where's your video card sir?" and I said "I don't need one! I have this!" Long story short..they kicked me out of the video store BUT they did recognize me for who I am...a slightly insane person with a weird and wonderful personality...

 

I don't know how you can do that seeker. I know how I can do it but my situation may not work as well for everybody. To prove that I'm the real gcursor..I post my reviews under my board name. If I contact somebody then I send them an email from my personal email and I can also message them on the board if I need to.

 

anyway theres always a way for me to show people who i really am. besides trust me, there's nobody who wants to impersonate Gcursor...i'm not a porn star...i'm not a ceo...i'm not even a purple kow so i tend to blend into the background a lot.

Gcursor

 

The value of a reputation established here is probably limited to a relative handful of escorts who follow this site - and how would I prove to anyone that I am the seeker630 who posted my reviews?

[gtx1]

Lee,

 

I am told that there is a client "review" section available on one of the sites (maybe M4RN), I don't recall specifically, but it reportedly gets little use and mostly for really bad experiences. Additionally, I understand that there is a less formal exchange of information regarding clients among some groups of escorts, but no one wants to give up info on good repeat clients.

 

GTX

[leigh.bess.toad]

Lee,

 

I am told that there is a client "review" section available on one of the sites (maybe M4RN), I don't recall specifically, but it reportedly gets little use and mostly for really bad experiences. Additionally, I understand that there is a less formal exchange of information regarding clients among some groups of escorts, but no one wants to give up info on good repeat clients.

 

GTX

 

GTX -- I think I know what you're talking about. And if it is, I think the main purpose of that site is to warn escorts of the guys who try to stiff them. Not so much a client review site but a list of bad clients. It'd be interesting to someone like me who tends to hire lots of guys what info they'd share since being with one would not preclude me from being with another (even at the same time

 

But thanks GTX. Appreciate the info.

[Michael Wayne]

There are no guarantees, ever. This is sad. The one that you think is a sure thing cancels last minute and the one you are sure is a flake comes through big time. I have NEVER asked for a deposit but that is just my choice. I understand ecorts who do and have no problem with it. sometimes we have to cancel on a client too and if I was holding money i would think the refund would be tricky. Over the long haul it all evens out and most guys who hire are legit. remember this is a marathon not a sprint. I always tell myself to not get upset over cancellations because it puts me in a bad mood for the next guy. I have noticed a REAL increase in cancellations lately and several escorts have confirmed this to me. It is not a good way for a client to make a first impression I can tell you that.

[zach_wilson]

There are no guarantees, ever. This is sad. The one that you think is a sure thing cancels last minute and the one you are sure is a flake comes through big time. I have NEVER asked for a deposit but that is just my choice. I understand ecorts who do and have no problem with it. sometimes we have to cancel on a client too and if I was holding money i would think the refund would be tricky. Over the long haul it all evens out and most guys who hire are legit. remember this is a marathon not a sprint. I always tell myself to not get upset over cancellations because it puts me in a bad mood for the next guy. I have noticed a REAL increase in cancellations lately and several escorts have confirmed this to me. It is not a good way for a client to make a first impression I can tell you that.

 

Very correct there has been a extreme increse in cancelations on clients behalf. Which is no fun because you've set aside that time for said client. I feel it really isn't fun when you plan your whole life around escorting because in the event that you get a appt canceled then you coulda took the client who wanted you that possibly wouldn't have canceled. Sadly as short amt time as I have Been in the escorting buisness (feb 2010) I feel that it has become more of a chance thing, used to be maybe one every couple months would cancel now your lucky of only one a month cancels very odd. Maybe due to the economy? I know a lot of people that have canceled with me have given the reasoning of their meeting being canceled.

[Michael Wayne]

The ECONOMY is continuing to worsen so treasure every good client you have. From day one in the biz I have tried to live on a certain percentage of what I make and put alot of it away for a rainy day or reinvest it in other business opportunities. Well, guess what, that rainy day has come. Every escort I talk to says cancellations are up and bookings are down. Stay sober, stay sane and stay focused. quality will rise to the top. if any escorts are out there who are actually doing better than a year or two ago please speak up and let us know. My home city of New Orleans has died a slow, painful and agonizing death in the last year so much so that I have had to take my show on the road. It is not that the clients are going to other escorts here because I know them all. it is that THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY CLIENTS HERE. mOST ARE BROKE, LAID OFF, OUTSOURCED or retired against their will. Conventions are cancelling left and right. The crime rate is way up and we are the murder capital of America. Introduce to this scenario a crooked and corrup police department (see the news) and a Mississippi river tearing at the levees like a hard groom poking at his finaces' hymen on their honeymoon. Oh, yes. and Hurricane season is 10 days away. Yeah! No more FEMA money down here and even the BP oil spill money is gone. No wonder we are a city of alchoholics. Yall come visit nawlins , now, ya hear? http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[JoeyBryant]

Very correct there has been a extreme increse in cancelations on clients behalf. Which is no fun because you've set aside that time for said client. I feel it really isn't fun when you plan your whole life around escorting because in the event that you get a appt canceled then you coulda took the client who wanted you that possibly wouldn't have canceled.

 

You needn't plan your whole life around escorting. You have to let clients know how it is. Like hey, "call me by noon tomorrow or if not I'll have to go on about my day and see other clients". Don't let them tie you up like that. Since writing this thread I've even gotten more adamant about deposits. Because even if they are not willing to pay one, they realize that I'm serious and now it's their turn, give me some guarantee that what you've planned out is actually going to happen. When I'm on a trip, everyday I have to pay for a hotel. Flights are taking off, I have long distances to drive.. clients in other towns are wanting to book. I can't be running around guessing whether or not someone is going to show up.

 

In the example I mentioned in this thread, I was fully prepared for the client to cancel. I was prepared for EVERYONE to cancel/no show, which they all did. I only booked a hotel for 1 night, and if by the next morning I had no bookings I would leave town. My ad was up since last month so it gave people plenty of time to work out their schedule and finances. If it didn't happen within 24 hours then it was time to bail. But they day before I had something and the day after I had something so although I was annoyed, I took it as a lesson learned (although I really don't need to keep learning expensive lessons like that!)

 

Also, don't get discouraged. You have only been at it for a little over a year. It's generally hard your first 2 years...like college LOL. Then one day you finally get it, whether it be how you advertise, where you should advertise, etc. and things just fall into place. But some people don't learn or they don't have what it takes to persevere in the industry. It's not for everyone.

 

Someone called me 'lazy' for being an escort. My reply was, well if you had any idea how much work is actually involved in the administrative part, the marketing part, the staying up til 3 and 4 am figuring out why you aren't getting clients and then at 5 am you finally come up with a new idea...is work. And it's traveling and staying on top of emails (which I've just recently gotten better at) and sorting the real from the fake...it can definitely be a 24 hour thing. But you have to control it, you have to control whether clients will ruin your day and prevent you from meeting others. And figure that all in and no what to do when it does happen.

 

if any escorts are out there who are actually doing better than a year or two ago please speak up and let us know. My home city of New Orleans has died a slow, painful and agonizing death in the last year so much so that I have had to take my show on the road. It is not that the clients are going to other escorts here because I know them all. it is that THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY CLIENTS HERE. mOST ARE BROKE, LAID OFF, OUTSOURCED or retired against their will. Conventions are cancelling left and right. The crime rate is way up and we are the murder capital of America.

 

I'm doing a lot better than I did 1 or 2 years ago. I feel it's all about location, reviews and finding that niche market. I was in Texas last year and for about 2 years prior to that and was just struggling to make ends meet. I'd finally decided enough was enough and I packed up everything and stayed on the road from August to January. It wasn't peaches and cream the whole way thru, but I don't regret making the decision at all. At this point now I have a home base and still travel monthly but it's more of a desire and not a necessity and I'm not traveling on a penny like I was couple years ago!

 

Now Mikey, recall not several months ago I bought up a topic or mentioned somewhere that I didn't feel New Orleans was anything special? I was surprised that I even got a client my 1st day there...but after that I kept it moving back home to Florida. All one needs to do is take 1 look at the place and notice it's falling apart. And unlike Miami, Nawlins just does not have the international and Hollywood interest to rebuild fast enough from a major hurricane like Miami did. Yes it's a fairly large tourist destination, but again...crime and dilapidated buildings have tarnished that somewhat. Just my guess.

 

I don't think the economy is necessarily getting worse. There's clients from 2-3 years ago who are still hiring, a new ones are popping up all the time. Of course it also depends on where you're at. Places like the rust belt (Chicago, Indy) have obviously not grown 1 bit and have steady population declines. And the times I've gone to each I've lost incredible amounts of money due to either lack of interest or like Indy, a plethora of cancellation after cancellation after cancellation. It was by far the worst place I'd ever had the misfortune of going to.

[Michael Wayne]

JOEY- I must swallow all my pride and admit you were right about New Orleans. I guess I had to start traveling again to remind myself what was out there. For 3 years New Orleans (for me) was a great market but in the last 6 months I have never heard so much poor-mouthing and seen so much downright cheapness from clients in a market. As a result we now have cute young men offering themselves here for $65 in the craigslist personals. One of my competitors who actually knows about and advertises on m4rn has dropped to $100 and would probably go lower. PRoviders are giving into market demand thus making it tough for the $150-$200 an hour guys- unless you travel. One more thing: I detest the m4rn wanted ads but they do come to my cell as texts and once in a while I get a client from them. Over the last 3 days I have recieved 30 of them from my home and travel cities. Of the 30: 27 have indicated their budget is $120 an hour OR LESS! 1 said 150 and two said 200. The market out there of High end upscale clients is shrinking. I am GLAD you are doing so well and it is only because you are putting alot of work into it. The job is work as you well said. HARD work.

[cany10011]

Mikey, it's not just NOLA. In nyc, guys i've met on Adam or craigslist offer themselves for 150 or less-without any prompting. These are not professional guys and just some young guys between things that want to make some extra cash. In nyc, where the average is 250 these guys give the pros a run for the money. I must add a caveat that these guys are cute, fit and are not model looks but more like boy next door.

 

 

JOEY- I must swallow all my pride and admit you were right about New Orleans. I guess I had to start traveling again to remind myself what was out there. For 3 years New Orleans (for me) was a great market but in the last 6 months I have never heard so much poor-mouthing and seen so much downright cheapness from clients in a market. As a result we now have cute young men offering themselves here for $65 in the craigslist personals. One of my competitors who actually knows about and advertises on m4rn has dropped to $100 and would probably go lower. PRoviders are giving into market demand thus making it tough for the $150-$200 an hour guys- unless you travel. One more thing: I detest the m4rn wanted ads but they do come to my cell as texts and once in a while I get a client from them. Over the last 3 days I have recieved 30 of them from my home and travel cities. Of the 30: 27 have indicated their budget is $120 an hour OR LESS! 1 said 150 and two said 200. The market out there of High end upscale clients is shrinking. I am GLAD you are doing so well and it is only because you are putting alot of work into it. The job is work as you well said. HARD work.

[Guest Rich.]

I've also noticed substantial price drops on this side of the pond. There are London 'escorts' advertising on RentBoy for as little as $70, 'pornstars' are pricing themselves at $150, even Bound Gods pretty-boy-dom Christian Wilde is promoting his 'European Tour' on RentBoy by offering himself up for $200.

We even have a bunch of fit looking students offering half-hour mutual jacking for $55 a pop if you live in Zone 1!

 

Richard

[Michael Wayne]

very interesting intelligence and spy reports from CANY and RICH. Thanks. And on both sides of the pond-just as in nola. I think we are spotting a disturbing trend for escorts but possibly a buying (renting) binge for the savy client looking for a deal. The issue here on my homefront is that the guy I mention is a pro. He is a well reviewed (on m4rn) pro who has been in the biz a while. He is VERY cute and a VERY good escort who is WORTH alot more than 100 bucks but perhaps desperation makes guys do things they otherwise would not do. what upset me was that we had an escort meeting ( a kind of escort jedi council-we just use our dicks as lightsabres-lol) and he sat on my couch and promised no matter what to NEVER go below 150. Also, he (and 3 others) are advertising on the Craigslist PERSONALS in violation of craigslist terms of use. I am worried about all of their welfare because the only place in nola that the nopd targets is craigslist. R.B. m4rn and r. m. are safe as far as I know. Sometimes going low for a quick buck even when desperate in the long run hurts alot and cost you more money. I will not mention any of their names and they are not anyone that I have ever referred to on here before. p.s. I do use craigslist therapeutic services but I pay to advertise there for my massage therapy which is accepted in c.l. terms of use.

[down_to_business]

He is VERY cute and a VERY good escort who is WORTH alot more than 100 bucks but perhaps desperation makes guys do things they otherwise would not do. what upset me was that we had an escort meeting ( a kind of escort jedi council-we just use our dicks as lightsabres-lol) and he sat on my couch and promised no matter what to NEVER go below 150.

 

Between this thread and your POWER thread, I find this conversation going in a very disturbing direction. No one should ever value themself based on the dollar amount they can charge for an hour. As a person who hires an escort, am I to value myself based on how much I have to pay an hour?

 

I never approach my hiring someone as a power trip. I believe in treating everyone as an equal and with kindness and mutual respect. Maybe I am just a fool to think some escorts felt the same as me.