Question for the Peanut Gallery

[Guest Magnus]

I've made tentative plans in a few days with a guy who is not reviewed on this site, and who appears to be unknown to anyone on this forum. However, when I posted an info request here about him, all responses seemed to agree that the add was legit.

 

When I spoke to the guy, I told him that I wanted a 2hr session (I kinda like to get to know a fella a bit first). He seemed very nice on the phone, but became perplexed over what to charge me for a 2hr session. He said that he normally charges $300 per session, and I kept asking him what his rate for 2hrs was. Finally he asked me what I though, so I told him I'd pay $200 for the second hour (which is generally what other escorts have charged me in the past).

 

My question is: Is it odd that he didn't have a set rate for what to charge for the extra time? I didn't ask if he had an overnight rate (to compare) because I didn't want to over complicate things.

[ChiTown]

I've made tentative plans in a few days with a guy who is not reviewed on this site, and who appears to be unknown to anyone on this forum. However, when I posted an info request here about him, all responses seemed to agree that the add was legit.

 

When I spoke to the guy, I told him that I wanted a 2hr session (I kinda like to get to know a fella a bit first). He seemed very nice on the phone, but became perplexed over what to charge me for a 2hr session. He said that he normally charges $300 per session, and I kept asking him what his rate for 2hrs was. Finally he asked me what I though, so I told him I'd pay $200 for the second hour (which is generally what other escorts have charged me in the past).

 

My question is: Is it odd that he didn't have a set rate for what to charge for the extra time? I didn't ask if he had an overnight rate (to compare) because I didn't want to over complicate things.

 

It seems very odd that he doesn't have a rate for the second hour or a multi hour rate. You would certainly think that it would have been a question that would have come up with other clients. And then to ask you what you thought? Hmmm

[corndog]

I'm thinking that this exchange may hint at the style of encounter that he's accustomed to. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that he gets right down to business without any "get to know each other" time, and is perhaps usually in and out in well under a full hour. He's confused by your question because he has no idea what he'll be doing for two full hours. He may not be prepared to do a "boy friend experience."

 

Just because it's new territory for him doesn't necessarily mean it won't go well; just proceed with caution. And, under no circumstances pay up front. He may very well be the type to rush through the session and take off.

[jackcali]

I frequently meet with guys who are non-pros or semi-pros. They tend to charge by the session rather than the hour, partly (I imagine) because they only do a few sessions a week for extra cash. I think that corndog is right in that these sessions are not usually very long, but I just don't think these non-pros think of charging by the hour.

[adriano46]

This was/is another reason I prefer hiring in Euroipe as most of the guys I met there thought the "initial session" was ALWAYS for 2 hours; then you negotiate foir anything beyond that. If you look at GayRomeo, often you will see two rates posted" 2 hours and overnight. Here in the US we seem to have adaptyed hiring to our fast food concepts - so fast sex, WHAM BAM THANK YA MAAM.

 

It is rare for me to hire for less than 2 hoursl, and so I seek out escorts who have a set and reasonable rate for the 2 hours (e.g. not doubling the 1 hr out fee which includes transport as the transport is not needed twice...)

[Gar1eth]

This was/is another reason I prefer hiring in Euroipe as most of the guys I met there thought the "initial session" was ALWAYS for 2 hours; then you negotiate foir anything beyond that. If you look at GayRomeo, often you will see two rates posted" 2 hours and overnight. Here in the US we seem to have adaptyed hiring to our fast food concepts - so fast sex, WHAM BAM THANK YA MAAM.

 

It is rare for me to hire for less than 2 hoursl, and so I seek out escorts who have a set and reasonable rate for the 2 hours (e.g. not doubling the 1 hr out fee which includes transport as the transport is not needed twice...)

 

Hmm--this is interesting news to me. I was scammed by a guy who was from Spain but was living in the Seattle area for a few months. He advertised as a top, but the he said he would/could bottom. Well he gets there, we attempt it--and he tells me I'm too big (I'm not more's the pity), but he goes to shower after 45 minutes and says that's how long his sessions run. He said that was the normal session length in Barcelona. I say that's not what his ad said. I pulled up his ad. It listed the price as 200--but somewhere in the ad, he stated "ask me". He felt that phrase justified a 45 minute session without telling me beforehand. I'm telling you--I felt scammed big time--first he wasn't able to bottom when he said he could--and second the short time frame. He told me he was leaving and going back to Barcelona shortly afterward--or I would have written a scathing review.

 

Gman

[Mark Gordon]

The lack of a 2hr rate & the difficulty in coming up with one suggests an inexperienced escort with no experience of longer sessions. In my mind, an inexperienced escort should not be getting $300/1hr & $500/2hrs. I charge $200/1hr, $350/2hrs & $500/3hrs.

[adriano46]

Gar1eth, I should have prefaced my "European escorts" with a caveat -- I have generally hired from CZECH REP, SLOVAKIA, HUNGARY (where more often than not the 2-hr rule is around), and then from AMSTERDAM, GERMANY, AUSTRIA and ITALY (and of course.... RUSSIA). Russia had the 2 hr rule almost 100%, the Central European countries also with the guys that advertised on GayRomeo and Escupido, though for some of them you had to really make sure this was understood before they showed up at the door.

 

Right now, one of my greatest dream escorts has landed in NYC (porn name of Marty Law, and Boris - http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=256309 - ) but sadly he seems to be pricing himself out of my area of $$$ comfort for a first-time meeting. In our initial contacts he seemed to emphasize that he prefers only IN (I o to him) meetings, then he has this somewhat high end rate, and whenever I keep telling him I hire for 2 hrs, he does not give a rate, implying it will be double the 1 hr rate... (Sigh) I may have to pass. Not throwing out this amount for "bisexal, top only" etc., etc., etc... But what a hunk.

 

Mark Gordon's reply shows why he stands at the head of the line in terms of quality escort - one who knows his clients, the market, and what real service means. More the reason I wait for his return to the southern neighbor of his homeland (NYC), since I missed him the last time he was here - hey Mark, that was too long ago!

[JT Brooklyn]

Unfortunately But True.. there are alot of guys who can "Work It" for only a certain amount of time for different reasons like they prefer "Slam Bam Thank You Mam" gigs etc!

 

There are those who Never will do an Overniter they are just not wired that way.

[+ azdr0710]

I'll also agree with corndog....I once talked to an escort on the phone about a three-hour meet as I also like some extended chat time....he was utterly dumbfounded about what we could possibly do for so long a period!....as said, he obviously was a "session"-kind of guy.....get in, do it, get out and it may take 30 minutes, an hour, or maybe a bit more - flat price....

 

with your guy, he may be entirely fine...just make it clear what you want to happen.....

[bcohen7719]

Brooklynguy:

 

I like your escort/companion categorization concepts very much.

Very precise!

 

BC

[Sooner405]

I think it's very odd he was flabbergasted with your very simple question (fee for 2-hours). Surely he's received that question before! With no reviews and this perplexing phone conversation, why take the risk? There's too many other sexy, professional escorts out there who have it all together. I'd move on to hiring one of them.

[Bart]

Magnus, I too am a person who very rarely hires for anything less than 2 hours and my normal time is 3 hours. I have had this sort of exchange before. I dont necessarily find the exchange indicative of any sort of behavior issue, but I am specific in that I do tell the gentlemen in my initial inquiry that one of the qualities I look for is intelligience with conversational skills. I suspect for most gentlemen, especially those with less experience in this profession 80-90% of their business is of the 1 hour type.

 

Now some gentlemen rise to the occassion and know how to fill three hours, make it seem like a full day. There are others who will say an hour into the appt, "Wow I am getting close." Me, "I have a ways to go." Gentleman, "Well once I cum I am usually done for several hours." Well there's a mood killer.

 

I do feel the experieced gentlemen knowing the length of the appt and their own body and the connection they are having with a client, how to fill with the proper mix of foreplay, conversation, hot 'n heavy, body contact and etc. This gentleman has probably not had the opportunity for longer appts. I would not go into it feeling dread, but knowing you may have to pace the appt as opposed to the gentleman. Not a bad thing, just something to keep in mind before arrival.

 

However, I dislike gentlemen asking me for advice on the rate or the dreaded "What would you pay?" First this opens the door of negotiation and I am completely uncomfortable in doing that with hiring. So givien my business background I tend to start a bit low but not silly, in fact I usually use the amount Mark Gordon has stated. I feel sometimes when gentlemen do this they are gaging seriousness as opposed to negotiation. I have been reprimanaded on the phone and in email on several occassions by gentlemen that I have no clue and will never get anyone of quality with that amount and I am obviously not serious. Well damn I hate that because that tells me the gentleman had a rate in mind and is insulted with the idea of negotiation. The silliness of this whole thing is that the gentleman was probably looking for something in the $700 range for 3 hours and the gentleman would travel over 2 hours in total. But there is no reason to berate a potential client, if you know what you are looking for. Just say "How does $xxx sound?" Then I can just simply answer yes or no and be done with that piece. I am not a skilled negotiator and I have a difficult time gaging gentlemen through email and phone conversations.

 

So Magnus it is difficult to say what you are walking into, but not a reason to cancel or not hire the gentleman, just be prepared to take a more active diretors role, especially the pacing.

[Guest Magnus]

Bart,

Thank you for the VERY insightful comments! I'm still on the fence with this one, but will likely take the "plunge". Of course I will let everyone know how it turns out; this is a kiss and tell site after all, right?

[Guest greatness]

Oh I love kiss and tell..

 

Bart,

] this is a kiss and tell site after all, right?

[nate_sf]

For a while I was charging by the session not because the appointments were less than an hour, but because they were a bit more than an hour. I was finding the typical 1-hour appointment was more likely to be 80 or 90 minutes if we went at a unrushed pace, and then there would be questions from the client about going over the hour and how much to charge, or whether to charge. I didn't mind the time going over an hour so would be ok to brush it off, but since this was the situation so often I started advertising a session rather than a 1-hour appointment. It was to remove the whole clockwatching aspect from the shorter appointments. However, I defined "session" as being 60-90 minutes, and then I also had rates for evening and overnight that also had the number of hours defined.

 

You could give him the benefit of the doubt and perhaps he is also not a clockwatcher, and/or is following the European model. But agreed with the other posters, the approach seems pretty amateurish. And when I was charging by the session, I was definitely an amatueur, though I like to think a good-natured amateur. Hopefully your guy will be a good-natured amateur too.

[adriano46]

Started replying and then lost what I was writing - so try again.

 

Some years back, while in London, I was especially horny after spending the night with a famous UK porn star [steve Masters] with arguably the BIGGEST pencil-eraser nips I have ever had the pleasure to chomp down on (and the rest of him was great too.)

 

I was so horny after this, that the next day I was surfing on a local chat site (now extinct), and found an Italian student in London. He was new to this scene, charged 200 pounds for a "session".

 

Showed up at the hotel, was not as handsome or sexy as I had hoped, but I was hot to trot and so I invited him in, opened a botle of wine, and then the most amazing thing happened. He was lonely for home (homesick?) and as he sat on one bed, and me on the other, we began chatting - for nearly 3 hours, fully clothed, never even touching each other (I speak Italian fluently). It was - in so many ways - a mind-blowing experience as he was intelligent, well-spoken, and had a breadth of knowledge I rarely find in escorts (he was a student at the London School of Economics).

 

When it was already 11:00 PM, and he had been there since 8:00 PM, I felt guilty and told him maybe "time is up". (The envelope with his fee was sitting on a table next to the now-empty bottle of wine).

 

He suddenly sat up, pulled me to him, the clothes went flying fast. His body was not muscular, nor fat - just 100% NORMAL. But the sex that followed was some of the hottest ever as if I was having sex with someone I actually KNEW - at least I knew his views on so many levels, his voice, his small gestures and quirks... We BOTH came in huge amounts, and lay there spent in the now-messed up bed covers.

 

I went to pull more money out of my wallet (heck I had not cum that much in years, hitting literally the wall behind the headboard of the bed). He demurred insisting that for him, it was more a pleasure and he did not even want the fee. In the end, I insisted he take the fee, and a substantial tip and cab fare as it was nearly 1:00 AM (truth be told, the entire 5 hr session cost me what would be the fee generally for 2 hours elsewhere.)

 

Personally I prefer longer sessions so that I am not just performing some animalistic carnel lust scene (I am deinately not in my 20's anymore). I enjoy the company of an articulate and intelligent escort who has a mind to match his body, and never hire for less than 2 hrs, 3 hrs is better. I recently met a guy I have fanticized about for 10 years, and when I asked his 2 hr fee, was amazed it matched the 1 hr fee - in other words, he was mature and secure enough to charge for a "session" not a time clock.

[ChiTown]

Started replying and then lost what I was writing - so try again.

 

Some years back, while in London, I was especially horny after spending the night with a famous UK porn star [steve Masters] with arguably the BIGGEST pencil-eraser nips I have ever had the pleasure to chomp down on (and the rest of him was great too.)

 

I was so horny after this, that the next day I was surfing on a local chat site (now extinct), and found an Italian student in London. He was new to this scene, charged 200 pounds for a "session".

 

Showed up at the hotel, was not as handsome or sexy as I had hoped, but I was hot to trot and so I invited him in, opened a botle of wine, and then the most amazing thing happened. He was lonely for home (homesick?) and as he sat on one bed, and me on the other, we began chatting - for nearly 3 hours, fully clothed, never even touching each other (I speak Italian fluently). It was - in so many ways - a mind-blowing experience as he was intelligent, well-spoken, and had a breadth of knowledge I rarely find in escorts (he was a student at the London School of Economics).

 

When it was already 11:00 PM, and he had been there since 8:00 PM, I felt guilty and told him maybe "time is up". (The envelope with his fee was sitting on a table next to the now-empty bottle of wine).

 

He suddenly sat up, pulled me to him, the clothes went flying fast. His body was not muscular, nor fat - just 100% NORMAL. But the sex that followed was some of the hottest ever as if I was having sex with someone I actually KNEW - at least I knew his views on so many levels, his voice, his small gestures and quirks... We BOTH came in huge amounts, and lay there spent in the now-messed up bed covers.

 

I went to pull more money out of my wallet (heck I had not cum that much in years, hitting literally the wall behind the headboard of the bed). He demurred insisting that for him, it was more a pleasure and he did not even want the fee. In the end, I insisted he take the fee, and a substantial tip and cab fare as it was nearly 1:00 AM (truth be told, the entire 5 hr session cost me what would be the fee generally for 2 hours elsewhere.)

 

Personally I prefer longer sessions so that I am not just performing some animalistic carnel lust scene (I am deinately not in my 20's anymore). I enjoy the company of an articulate and intelligent escort who has a mind to match his body, and never hire for less than 2 hrs, 3 hrs is better. I recently met a guy I have fanticized about for 10 years, and when I asked his 2 hr fee, was amazed it matched the 1 hr fee - in other words, he was mature and secure enough to charge for a "session" not a time clock.

 

Adriano, GREAT story and well said . . . I couldn't agree with you more about longer sessions and articulate and intelligent escorts.

[GoodFella69]

Magnus,

Have you had your date with this rent-boy yet? Just curious to learn how the extended appointment turned out, if he was legit, etc. Looking forward to hearing the outcome--and hoping it was ALL good for you.

Cheers,

 

Goodfella

[+ bigjoey]

I could have written Bart's post and clearly Adriano46 is from the same school. I do not like a one hour quickie and at a minimum, I hire for two hours and usually three for a first hire. My normal hire is a overnight or weekend.

 

Now sometimes, my time request is a new one even for an experienced escort. Recently hired Kristian Elix from LA (he was fantastic) who is certainly experienced. I was doing a weekend there with another escort and we wanted a third to join us. I call Kristian for a hire from 9:00AM to 9:00PM, not a usual time frame; in addition, I wanted him to have a car to drive us to place or two during the day so the price would include "car service". He showed up on time, was amazing all day long and when 9:00 came, both the escort and I felt he did not want to leave and he most likely would have stayed the night if asked. When I asked him how much for the full day, it seemed it was a new experience for him and we arrived at a figure; it was clear it was not off a menu. He provided fantastic service and the other escort and I will definitely rehire him on another trip to LA. However, the point is, even with his expereince, he got a new request for a time period (with car service) and did not have a price for it.

[JackTwist]

BigJoey, That's a great story and testament to the remarkable kind of man that is Kristian Elix. I've hired him off and on for several years now and he's always surpassed my expectations. A beautiful man, inside and out. As a longtime So-Cal resident, I can attest that Kristian is one of LA's finest, along with Mr. Irons, of course!

[Guest GQ Pro]

Since this escort doesn't have a set rate for the second hour, it probably has never occured to him that a session could go longer than an hr. My guess is that his 1 hr session probably don't even last the hire. I've done plenty of two hour session, with proper pacing there is plenty to do in 2 hrs.

 

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