Repeat vs. 1-Time Clients

[bcohen7719]

Broadly speaking, how much more valuable to an escort

is a repeat, reliable client than a 1-time Charlie?

[SteveStacks]

Broadly speaking, how much more valuable to an escort

is a repeat, reliable client than a 1-time Charlie?

 

In a word?

Priceless.

[Guest BrandonWilliams]

How much more valuable is a friend than an acquaintance?

[+ peterhung85]

In a word?

Priceless.

 

Precisely!

[Michael Wayne]

That is how I built my business in south Florida, San Antonio/austin and now in New Orleans. I do not go crazy chasing tourists. I will see them and do see them, of course, but my LOCAL REGULARS always come first. I am careful to always live in a touristy area because TOURISTS/convention visitors are full of disposable income but if I have the opportunity on a given night to see tourist #1 at the Ritz Carlton or Local #21 who I have seen 10 times I will always pick the local and schedule the visitor for the next day. This is business 101 and common sense. If more escorts followed this philosophy there would be more rich escorts. The thing is that when you are successful you can pick and chose your clients carefully. You never HAVE to work, you WANT to work and a Happy escort is a good escort. Nothing worse than when a broke, high, stupid kid shows up and rushes the client cause he has to get to his next call. Then he makes $200 and goes and blows it all. seen this a hundred times with young escorts and THEY DO NOT LISTEN TO ADVICE. So , more clients for me! who's complaining. Happy New Year to all and hope to meet many of yall in '11 as I am beginning to do some traveling. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[zeferrelli]

great advice Mikey

[Juan Vancouver]

For a long time I come here and I think that I have a penchant for disagreeing with the consensus, but now, more at peace with myself, I am starting to see that all I like to do is to shed some light on the "other side", so to speak. Therefore, here's my view of the other side:

 

Who is more valuable?

 

Both.

 

Equally.

 

I love a special regular client, a man who I know and like and feel deep affection for, someone with whom I have a body connection and open channel of communication, someone whose story and family names I know and someone who knows as much as he wants to know about mine, someone with whom I have travelled and with whom I share adventures, someone to whom I can say "remember the face of that guy in Cairo when you said this and that...", someone with whom I share jokes and memories... there really is nothing like that. A friend, a partner in crime, a very well known sex toy, that instrument that I have played for a long time, that comforting sensation of knowing exactly how it resonates, and how I can make it do the music that fits the present moment.

 

But I also intensely value someone with whom I have no history, someone that I am going to see just for an hour, and perhaps never again, a tourist, a closeted person, a curious one, because it is exciting, it is fun, it is challenging, it is like an impromptu jam session where you have to tune up your instruments to create music in a short time, when you can let go and enjoy and let your body and instincts guide you, where you can learn about yourself and him. And also, I appreciate those first sessions because ALL of my regulars have started with a first session.

 

For me, both kinds of clients hold exactly the same importance, the same esteem and deserve exactly the same care and wholehearted attention.

 

What's better: that first kiss of love, or a fulfilling relationship of forty years with your spouse?

 

The only answer is: Neither; they are both incredibly fulfilling and they have both entirely different purposes.

[Mocha]

Juan...thankyou!

 

Regulars are great...but lets face it, escorts travel because of what? TO MEET NEW CLIENTS! I have never had to turn down a new client because of a regular. Fuck all the bullshit about being stupid and high...and Mikey that is very rude for you to say that. You don't know what the fuck that escort is going thru to rush the next client. And its non of your fucking business. To each is own...

 

And think about it, EVERY regular began as a new client. Every relationship began with a stranger. There is no versus. I've had 1st time clients pay $1,200 and regulars want to pay $30 and vice versa. This is not a game. Its not a race.

[+ FreshFluff]

Simply put, every repeat client you get means less effort (and money) spent getting new customers. As in other premium service businesses, the cost of "acquiring" a customer for the first time is very high, both in terms of advertising costs, email/phone time, etc. Also, it's a lot easier to get someone to see you for the 6th or 7th time than for the 2nd time. A caveat: I'm pretty knowledgeable about service businesses, but not about escorting in particular. I don't think escorting (except for the legal issues) is that different from other service professions though.

[Mocha]

the cost of "acquiring" a customer for the first time is very high, both in terms of advertising costs, email/phone time, etc. Also, it's a lot easier to get someone to see you for the 6th or 7th time than for the 2nd time.

 

Now...I do agree with that. In fact, it generally costs 7 TIMES AS MUCH to meet a new client than an old one. I took marketing and customer service LOL. For example, to meet a regular it costs maybe 2-3 bucks in gas, or $1.00 to wash sheets and clean the house after he leaves. To find a new client, I've got to pay $99 on fucking men4rent. Huge difference.

[Guest GQ Pro]

I live near a big city where I see lots of clients here on business, some do repeat when they come back to town. However it's my local regulars that I count on for my main source of income. Without them I be making a lot less money. It's the repeats too that I enjoy more.

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[Guest Spanky]

...but my LOCAL REGULARS always come first...Happy New Year to all and hope to meet many of yall in '11 as I am beginning to do some traveling. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

 

Mikey, if you are making a great living with all of your local regulars then why did you make the decision to start traveling more?

[+ Charlie]

Broadly speaking, how much more valuable to an escort

is a repeat, reliable client than a 1-time Charlie?

 

So, now we are going to get personal, eh?

[Guest countryboywny]

So, now we are going to get personal, eh?

 

LOL! That's funny

[Phil_musc]

Once again, Juan, am impressed with your knowledge, sensitivity and sophistication. I certainly wish you'd work a trip to Philadelphia into your schedule. I'd enjoy meeting the man behind so many interesting and thoughtful posts. At the same time, I certainly applaud Mikey's business sense; he seems right on the money (so to speak) for how to run a service-based business. Would love to meet him too. . . At the threshold of a New Year I can only gawk at the possibilities and hopes for an interesting year.

[SteveStacks]

For me, both kinds of clients hold exactly the same importance, the same esteem and deserve exactly the same care and wholehearted attention.

What's better: that first kiss of love, or a fulfilling relationship of forty years with your spouse?

The only answer is: Neither; they are both incredibly fulfilling and they have both entirely different purposes.

 

Simply put, every repeat client you get means less effort (and money) spent getting new customers. As in other premium service businesses, the cost of "acquiring" a customer for the first time is very high, both in terms of advertising costs, email/phone time, etc. Also, it's a lot easier to get someone to see you for the 6th or 7th time than for the 2nd time. A caveat: I'm pretty knowledgeable about service businesses, but not about escorting in particular. I don't think escorting (except for the legal issues) is that different from other service professions though.

 

This is the key thing.

If you are asking, "Who has more worth as a human being?" Juan's answer is absolutely correct.

If you are asking, "As a successful escort, who provides more of your income?" Freshfluff's answer is absolutely correct.

 

I feel a bit like someone who took the question I was asked as "Which of your children makes more money ?" and after I have answered the question, we're joined by someone who took the question differently as "Which of your children is worth more?" and who's answer to the question is "I love all of my children equally." *LOL*

The way you take the question totally changes the answer.

 

I always love your posts and sometimes wonder how you "got in my head" and see things so similarly Juan and FINALLY I feel like you and I have a different take on a question! Hooray! *LOL*

Great topic and it's really interesting the different takes on it....this is the sort of thing that I think makes the message board fun!

[Romann]

Bingo!

 

how much more valuable is a friend than an acquaintance?

 

Spot on!

[Michael Wayne]

I am stunned by the open hostility of some members who will remain nameless. I am a nice guy and I HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER POST ANYTHING RUDE ON THIS FORUM! nOW, i AM HONEST . What I post is what my clients tell me about the bad experiences they have with other escorts. No escort should EVER show up drunk, high, with an attitude or in a hurry and if he does he should be shown to the door and not paid! I have to deal with the bad behavior of other escorts and all of us are held in a bad light when one of us fucks up! As far as the question regarding my travel schedule I have personally responded to this question in a private message but the simple answer is one word: DEMAND! Good night locally: $600. Average night locally: $400 . Good day traveling: $1,000-1,500 and there are no average days traveling-it is all good. This just makes good business sense and ultimately this is a busineess. As much as I do enjoy it and meet the nicest clients- it is a business and to not travel in this economy for me is a bad descision. Can we all just get along on here and keep it positive. my post are meant to help (not hurt) other escorts and if they would listen to me then their careers would be more successful and less painful. Experience matters and it matters alot. I made all the mistakes you can make in my early twenties and i try to teach guys not to repeat those mistakes. Happy New Year!

[hunkymuscles]

Regulars are great. There is a comfort level and a relationship that develops as time goes by. I also enjoy new 1-time Charlies as well...there is an excitement level there because you really aren't too sure what to expect. It's also an opportunity for me to possibly make that first-time client a regular. You never know, that 1-time Charlie can easily become a regular

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[MscleLovr]

In my experience, escorts say they want regulars but fairly soon stop appreciating, or take for granted, their frequent business.

 

I've had this happen 4x in the last 5 years with nice guys whose company I enjoyed greatly...until they started relating their problems when they came over, were a bit tired from a long day or stayed overnight but 'forgot' l enjoy a morning blowjob...but they never forgot their fee lol

[NYTomcat]

In my experience, escorts say they want regulars but fairly soon stop appreciating, or take for granted, their frequent business.

 

I've had this happen 4x in the last 5 years with nice guys whose company I enjoyed greatly...until they started relating their problems when they came over, were a bit tired from a long day or stayed overnight but 'forgot' l enjoy a morning blowjob...but they never forgot their fee lol

 

A very good point ML. And one to be reminded of in any business. While I often have regular client whom are the stable of my income the one time clients I often feel I have redouble my efforts for to assure they return and become regulars. However I do recall often thinking "well he is a regular ... he will be more patient. More understanding." Whatever. I think we all need to remember in whatever industry we are in... if we are charging fees for services. We should be giving those regulars at least as much if not more attention as they are the basis of our businesses as well as the friends not mere aquaintences we fill our lives with.

[Guest countryboywny]

A very good point ML. And one to be reminded of in any business. While I often have regular client whom are the stable of my income the one time clients I often feel I have redouble my efforts for to assure they return and become regulars. However I do recall often thinking "well he is a regular ... he will be more patient. More understanding." Whatever. I think we all need to remember in whatever industry we are in... if we are charging fees for services. We should be giving those regulars at least as much if not more attention as they are the basis of our businesses as well as the friends not mere aquaintences we fill our lives with.

 

Your post got me to thinking about my business.. I spend more energy dealing with "problem" customers who are never pleased or happy no matter what I do.. who don't pay their bills on time.. etc. etc. than I do acknowledging/thanking my good regular customers. These customers appreciate my service, work with me when s**t happens, pay their bills early or on time.. you get the picture. A late New Years Resolution for me! Spend more time on the good ones!! A little bit of appreciation and a pat on the back goes a long way.

[Kevin Slater]

Very good point. I remember years ago driving to one of my regulars in SF thinking "I have to go see so-and-so again". Then it hit me, "no, I get to go see him again".

 

This job is odd in that there's no water cooler to hang around and chat with folk you see on a daily basis to discuss the minute and mundane; it's important to remember the client is not paying to be one of those people.

 

Kevin Slater

[+ dupontversDC]

i'm a regular of Kevin's when he makes it to DC (which is never often enough) and I can attest to his ALWAYS treating a regular with what he likes.

 

Dude, you are on the top of the industry, pun intended. :-)

[Guest GQ Pro]

In my experience, escorts say they want regulars but fairly soon stop appreciating, or take for granted, their frequent business.

 

I've had this happen 4x in the last 5 years with nice guys whose company I enjoyed greatly...until they started relating their problems when they came over, were a bit tired from a long day or stayed overnight but 'forgot' l enjoy a morning blowjob...but they never forgot their fee lol

 

That's too bad you have had that experience with your escorts. I have a few escort friends and I think we always do our best to show our apperciation to our regular clients. We know that each time we see them is no guarantee that they will see us again. There are plenty of other escorts to pick from. I think we always to our best with both regulars and one-time clients.

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