Is it even worth doing massages as an escort?

[Mocha]

I'm at a standstill right about now and I just don't know whether its even worth the effort.

 

For the past several months I have been offering massages alongside escorting. However, I advertise massage separately on sites dedicated to massage. I find it to be great year around, even when escorting is down...but I also feel that its compromising my position as an escort because clients are booking massage, and although most want some kind of sex, most dont...the rates on average are significantly lower. Anywhere between $70-120.

 

I dont include anything extra for massage in my rates. If they want to take it beyond that, then its additional. Problem is, they HARDLY EVER want to pay more! And tonight it just hit me even moreso...guy booked me on masseurfinder, he shorts me $20 from my already cheaper massage rate. Surprisingly, I was not even angry at him 1 bit because I KNEW that I should have got it upfront and count it. But it caught me off guard because it was an outcall and clients generally don't do that when Im at their place...

 

Im almost thinking of just pulling all my massage ads and sticking strictly with escorting because part of me is thinking that these guys are getting the oppurtunity to see me without necessarily having to come up with $200. Again, some seem completely content to just have a plain massage...but lets face it, most clients do not become repeats. Many do, but most don't. This guy from tonight, he's not going to book me again after he just shorted me by $20. So what joy is it in having a client pay me $100 for a massage and get to see me? My escort rate is $200.

 

Or once again, is this a symptom of finding ways to pay less? Have any pros here done massage work and then stopped because of what Im mentioning?

[JackTwist]

The lines seems very blurry (messy?) when a working guy advertises on some websites as an escort and on other sites as a therapeutic masseur. There's a guy in Vegas I hired once who does this and it is a bit confusing for prospective clients and may very well obfuscate their expectations, in my opinion. While there may be a few exceptions, it seems to me that the most successful guys advertise as either an escort OR a massage therapist--but not as both.

[Mocha]

well, that would be like saying an escort who also does porn, or also dances shouldn't because its confusingly messy? I cannot imagine that it would be that complicated (I hope). In addition, I see TONS of escorts on massage sites with massage rates. But, thats why I posed the question because I'm wondering, but its important to hear from a client's perspective as well...

[Mocha]

it seems to me that the most successful guys advertise as either an escort OR a massage therapist--but not as both.

 

really? so this guy isn't succesful?: http://www.masseurfinder.com/members/rodhagen.shtml

[ted]

Sorry you had a bad experience. I book quite often through masseur finder and find it very clear in that they differentiate between therapeutic, sensual and erotic as far as the massage. And I don't find it off putting if there are different fees listed for say therapeutic and erotic. When I book a massage I am looking for a good massage, not an escort experience. That being said if you are advertising an erotic massage I do expect a happy ending without negotiating an increase in fee. I do not expect oral or anal. If you are strictly therapeutic I expect nothing except a good massage; sensual something in between. I'm not sure what market you are in, but typically a sensual or erotic is somewhere between $80 and $150, except maybe NYC where they may be a bit higher. Therapeutic I would expect to be less than $100 in most markets. I would discourage you from asking for the fee up front as that is very definitely perceived as a warning from a clients perspective. However, a cheerful, "You booked a xx minute xxxxxx massage for $xxx?" up front I would think would be perfectly acceptable. No guarantee he still won't try to rip you off, but he then has no "I misunderstood" excuse. And although most times they don't seem to count the fee when I give it to them, I would not be insulted if they did, particularly if it was my first appointment with them. Also even though this post got longer that I anticipated, try not to make your fee schedule overly complicated with a lot of different options. Stick to the basics. If the client does want to turn the massage into an escort session then you are quite right to get a higher rate

[Electra 225]

In the Houston market, "Full Service" massage, including "Happy Ending" runs between $65.00 and $100.00 for a 60 minute to 90 minute session--some chage more, but I don't know if they really get it or, if they do, they are quite exceptional (some get $150.00 for a 90 minute session). Escort pricing ranges from $150.00 to $200.00 for 60 minutes with extended sessions available and priced and negotiated from that price point. There is pricing difference between an in-call and an out-call session. When I contact a provider, I always begin the conversation with "I saw your massage ad" or "I saw your escort ad" to let the provider know what I have in mind and what price points are being discussed. It eliminates misunderstandings almost 100% of the time. However, if the massage provider is also an escort and the session turns out to be more than a massage, I usually carry the extra difference in cash to make sure the provider is fully and adequately compensated for time and effort. In the Houstona market, some escorts are asking in the $225.00 to $250.00 range (and up), but I don't know how often they actually receive that fee--especially if it is discounted, on a per-hour basis for longer sessions (multiple hour, overnight, etc.).

[Michael Wayne]

I include massage with my escort sessions but never offer just massage at a lower rate. It confuses things. Just my opinion though and different guys have different results. for me if a client says he only wants massage they NEVER only want massage and I hate to say, "Well, your rate does not include this or that." So I stick to the escort rate of $200 for new clients and $150 for regulars and repeats per hour and that works great for me.

[josephga]

I think it would be easier to just offer one or the other. It was even difficult for me too offer therapeutic and sensual massage. sensual massage clients sometimes expected to pay what you charged the therapeutic clients, then i had therapeutic clients that expected a release didn't get one and wondered why? why because they didn't buy a sensual massage nor did they ask for one. I never offered a release unless the client asked regardless of the session. In your case offering escorting and massage there's people that will see both ads and take the cheaper priced service still thinking they can talk you into escort services without a increase fee. I use to actually get clients that were stupid enough to think a 75.00 massage should involve oral and anal or putting their hands on you in return. those are the ones that won't book twice.

[+ Travis69]

Some clients will book the massage in hopes of getting the whole escort experience for less. They know that some guys will feel intimidated to ask for the full escort fee after. Very tacky. I have hired a few guys as masseurs to see if they would appeal to me as an escort and if it turns into an escort situation I always pay the full escort fee.

[happyguy2]

I have returned to massages most of the time. I ask for the rate with a happy ending. I really enjoy the intimate feeling of the massage. For years, I was paying for escorts when I rarely was interested in anal. For the times when I would like to make the happy ending mutual, I gladly offer to pay whatever - it is always less than an escort rate, and just seems to suit me well. So guys, please let me know if my thinking on not needing escort services makes any sense or not - no one has ever made me feel cheap, and most guys tell me they hope to see me again. Of course, I always treat them with utmost respect and kindness - and they seem to like that more than my not being a total hunk lol

[Terpmaniac]

for me if a client says he only wants massage they NEVER only want massage

 

Mike, truer words have never been spoken. I droll over the escorts but tend to hire only masseurs. However, I have hired masseurs who do "both" who have said to me (in the middle of the session).."Hey Terpman..you wanna upgrade to a escort session..its only an additional 50 bucks." I mean he's usually on top of my ass at the time..what the heck am I supposed to say?

(LOL)

[JackTwist]

really? so this guy isn't succesful?: http://www.masseurfinder.com/members/rodhagen.shtml

 

Read my post more closely, Mocha. I said there are a few exceptions. Rod, btw, is a great guy and very successful. I also was giving my humble opinion--not the absolute gospel.

[CowboyUp]

I have hired masseurs who do "both" who have said to me (in the middle of the session).."Hey Terpman..you wanna upgrade to a escort session..its only an additional 50 bucks." I mean he's usually on top of my ass at the time..what the heck am I supposed to say?

 

Yes, the ol' "bait and switch" is evidently alive and well. That's why I prefer to see true, well-reviewed escorts since I know what I really want (SEX) and know that I'll get it...not just hope for "more than a massage" from the massage therapist. To each his own.

[josephga]

Yes, the ol' "bait and switch" is evidently alive and well. That's why I prefer to see true, well-reviewed escorts since I know what I really want (SEX) and know that I'll get it...not just hope for "more than a massage" from the massage therapist. To each his own.

 

We call it in the massage business up selling. And its looked down on for those massage therapist that get clients on the table for one price then turn them on and offer to do more for increased rate.. you are right its bait and switch and its mostly frowned on.

[Mocha]

Yes, the ol' "bait and switch" is evidently alive and well. That's why I prefer to see true, well-reviewed escorts since I know what I really want (SEX) and know that I'll get it...not just hope for "more than a massage" from the massage therapist. To each his own.

 

Thats not bait and switch. You come to me for a massage. My rate specifically says massage. The happy ending is included and I explain why in the next response...tBUT EVEN STILL...the client wants to suck me off, suck him off, fuck him, AND...and wants me to cum; thus limiting me from giving another client a true escort experience for the next few hours. Yet its bait and switch if I ask for a bit extra? Explain to me how? If you take your car in for an oil change and then ask for a transmission fluid change...are they going to do it for free (even though the 2 bolts are just a few inches away from each other?)

 

Its great that you see escorts, but this was referring to people who go to massuers expecting escort services. You are not in the wrong for going directly to an escort and I appreciate your straightfowardness.

I have returned to massages most of the time. I ask for the rate with a happy ending. I really enjoy the intimate feeling of the massage. For years, I was paying for escorts when I rarely was interested in anal. For the times when I would like to make the happy ending mutual, I gladly offer to pay whatever - it is always less than an escort rate, and just seems to suit me well. So guys, please let me know if my thinking on not needing escort services makes any sense or not - no one has ever made me feel cheap, and most guys tell me they hope to see me again. Of course, I always treat them with utmost respect and kindness - and they seem to like that more than my not being a total hunk lol

 

You are the reason why I offer massage. And I agree with you. Personally, I do not feel comfortable charging $200 to give a massage and jerk them off with no kissing, oral or anal involved. And depending on my mood, I usually don't cum either. I offer massage with a bit of a 'show'. I do a bit of extra because I understand a man can go to the mall or MassageEnvy and pay $50 for a really good massage from someone with years experience. They come to me because I am sexy, and naked...I had a client tell me how disappointed he was when he seen a lady who told him to put his clothes on! And I never really found advertising massage on my escort ads because I dont believe guys spend as much time on them as the massage sites: IF they are just interested in the massage thing.

[Rod Hagen]

Worth it? Fuck yeah! While my erotic massage is the best in town, it's a tempting indicator of how even more incredible escorting's going to be.

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[josephga]

Allot of guys turn to sensual and erotic massage due to it being difficult for a guy to get a full client base doing strictly therapeutic massage. I knew a guy that was totally str8 and was excellent at giving massage However he had a daughter and child support and had to turn to sensual massage to get the extra clients. he hated it too. I worked for a sports clinic from 98 to 2003 then the clinic closed. Out on my own it was very difficult to get those therapeutic only clients. Allot of dr's chiropractors and physical therapist even some spa's won't hire men or shy away from it. A male giving therapeutic massage has to market himself 3 times as hard as a female. Might be different in someplace more open minded like new york but this was mine as well as others experience in the south. You walk into a spa they ask if you want a male therapist or a female? most will ask for a female. Massage school isn't cheap when i went in 98 it was 4500.00 now almost 10.000. so allot of guys turn to sensual or erotic work to recoup that investment back.