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[Guest GQ Pro]

Wow, I'm sorry if I offended some of my readers with this latest post. In my defense, Of course I see all my clients as real people. In fact my best client is 95 years and enjoys a massage as I tell him all about my escorting adventures. My second best client is very, very self conscious of his weight and says he is at least 80 pounds overweight. I've been seeing him for over a year now. Very early on we both discovered that we are very sexually compatible. We both enjoy our time together.

 

After rereading my post, I thought I may have over did the, "old, fat, and ugly" phrase and decided to edit some of it out. It seems as if that is coming across as the main focus of the entry. My focus of the entry was to point out that clients don't fit a stereotype and that clients hire escorts for many different reasons. Though I know there are many, I just pointed out a few that seem to reappear over and over again.

 

Though many comments are negative, I do apperciate them just the same. My blog isn't intended to be all sugar-coated and used as a device for me to attract new clients. I have my reviews from clients to help me with that. Instead, my intention is to give an honest insight as an escort.

Though many clients and escorts may not want to always hear what I have to say, I'm still going to remain honest and state my opinions. However, again, I do deeply apologize to the readers who were offended by my post.

GQ Pro http://gqpro.tumblr.com/

[Guest GQ Pro]

Dave,

In reading this entry and others of yours, It comes across very clearly that you use this forum as a marketing tool to attract new clients. You obviously consider yourself the escort expert king and feel the need to convey that to all of us. Unlike you, I would never personally attack another escort to make myself look good. However, I've noticed that you and one other escort in particular uses this forum for the exact same reasons.

[Dave]

Dave,

In reading this entry and others of yours, It comes across very clearly that you use this forum as a marketing tool to attract new clients. You obviously consider yourself the escort expert king and feel the need to convey that to all of us. Unlike you, I would never personally attack another escort to make myself look good. However, I've noticed that you and one other escort in particular uses this forum for the exact same reasons.

 

GQPro, i'm not really into public fighting. i'll respond to you via private message.

[Guest countryboywny]

I have a few thoughts I'd like to share with GQPro and anyone else that may be interested. It's fine with me if GQ wishes to write a blog about his attitudes and experiences in the escort industry. He chooses to do it, and that is ok with me. For me, as a client, however, I choose not to read such blogs as I am not interested in the realities of running his business, the kinds of clients he gets etc. anymore than he would be interested in the inner workings, attitudes toward customers etc of my business. I think there are many similarities to be sure. Most of my customers do not meet my personal ideal of the perfect customer. They are all different and have their good points and bad. It's the nature of business, pure and simple. I do want all of my customers to think that they are my favorite and for me to post about my "real" feelings about them or to characterize them into groups, even anonomously, wouldn't be good for my business. Granted, the services that I provide to my customers are not even close to being the personal, intimate services that he provides. It's my opinion that the escort/client relationship is less about the personal realities of either party and more about the perception of the time spent together. For me it's about how the escort makes me feel rather than what his personal opinions are about me. If he is doing his job, making me feel that he is connected, values me as a person, well, that works for me. After all, its an escape, if only for a little while, from the reality of my life. When reading a blog such as GQ's, it reminds me of the things that I'd like to forget or keep suppressed in my mind that I'm most likely one of those clients that get laughed at through the window as I approach the door. This is the business of fantasy and I don't like being reminded of the reality. I like it when an escort gives me the feeling that he is truly in to me, can see beyond my perceived failings into the great heart that I have and he finds me worthwhile, and dare I say it, sexy. It shores up my fragile ego I go forward a happier person. and I'm lucky to have met some high quality guys who do that for me.

[Diverdan]

LEE,

In response to your question, I have known a few escorts in my life who "hire" other escorts... but to be clear, they don't really "hire" they "barter" for services exchanged. One I know quite well says that it is easier for him to do that than to try and date, as once the date knows what he does for a living, it changes the relationship. I am not sure that any of the escorts that post here would want to answer your question, at least not in the public forum!

DD

[Guest GQ Pro]

I don't expect everyone will agree with what I have to say and I don't expect them too. I can easily write a blog that would just describe a bunch of sex acts with clients that would leave very little room for any meaningful discussions. I can also write a watered-downed blog that would create very little controversy and probably just end being very boring. The reason why this blog is anonymous is so that I can not compropise my true thoughts and opinions as an escort.

 

I agree with countryboywny. My job as an escort is to provide a fantasy. I do everything that I can do make a client feel special. I want them to feel that I'm into them, find them sexy, and enjoy the type of sex that they do. I know that paying for an escort isn't cheap and I want my clients to feel as though it was money well spent. This is how I'm able to get may repeat and regular clients.

 

Everyone may not agree with or like everything that I write about, and I would hope you wouldn't. These are my own thoughts, experiences, and insights. If your ego is that fragile and you take what I have to say that personally, perhaps my blog isn't for you

Though not all of my entries will create controversy, I think it's great to get a discussion going that shows a difference of opinons.

 

It's strange though, in tracking the numbers of readers to my blog each day, I noticed that the two weeks with the most traffic were the two weeks that I wrote entries that created controversy. Those two entries also had the most comments as well. There are plenty of other entries that were not controversal at all. In fact, I thought they were just as interesting and even perhaps a little funny. Yet, no one had anything to say about those entries.

 

GQ Pro http://gqpro.tumblr.com/

[Juan Vancouver]

Loooooong and boring post; read at your own peril.

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I must confess that up until now I had not read this thread at all, but because it kept popping up again and again I decided to look into it today. I found it very interesting and thought provoking and I am going to share my thoughts both as an escort and as a client. (Yes, Leigh, some escorts hire other escorts, and while many barter their services, some, like myself pay for it and never disclose beforehand that I am an escort, because I always want to have a true taste of the talents of this escort when he treats me as a client.)

 

I am going to start with a question that GQ Pro asks:

 

I actually think some clients may like to know (what) some escorts may think. Most of what we say to them isn't always how we really feel.....who wants to hear the truth when you are paying around $200/hr

 

I do.

 

And I always do. (As does every client.) There is nothing easier than knowing when someone that is with us is excited, thrilled, turned on, present, curious, focused or when he dislikes us, when he is uncomfortable about doing his work, when he thinks we are not desirable or when he is clearly not turned on by what he is doing. (Yes, I have also been in this situation; none of us is perfect and not everyone will always like us; there's always someone who will think we are fat, old, ugly, too dark or too white, too manly or too whiny, someone who would much rather bottom or top or who would rather be with a woman or his boyfriend. I too have been in the presence of a bored, unengaged, drugged, unavailable escort and no matter how good they think they are at lying you can always tell the truth.)

 

No matter how much I am paying, I want to know the truth... and shallow man that I am, human, if you please, I only want to be with people who enjoy me and find me fun, attractive, exciting, interesting, I want to feel like someone who is worthy of sharing their time.

 

But again, this is me. This is just my personal preference, not the Golden Law of Escorting. (Not everything works for everyone.)

 

Which takes me to my next point:

 

I agree with countryboywny. My job as an escort is to provide a fantasy.

 

I understand and acknowledge the fact that we have all different callings and different ways to operate, so much that it could be easy to say with no fault that there are as many different professions as there are escorts out there. And I say this sincerely, not just trying to show myself pious for the purpose of attracting clients. I will repeat this:

 

There are different types of escorts, and all of them are valid and necessary and there's a market for each one of them.

 

(I have hired incredibly hot ones that treated me like a piece of nameless meat as well as profoundly intuitive healers who saw who I was and what I needed and provided it. Both experiences were interesting and useful for different reasons.)

 

Back to my personal take: I have formal training in psychology and therapy and wellness and meditation and tantra and I see escorting as another avenue through which I can use my skills and training to facilitate a greater sense of wellness for me and my clients. Granted, some men that I meet just want to be fucked so hard that they pass out in a puddle of our combined musky sweat, and I am thrilled providing that service, but I have found that most of the people that I meet, sometimes unbeknownst to them, are looking for something else: a way to understand and accept themselves, a way to feel more comfortable and in charge of their bodies and sexuality, a better understanding of intimacy and a greater sense of confidence none of which can ever be built with lies or fantasy. That kind of process can only be facilitated through honesty and clear communication. For me and for the specific characteristics of my practice, honesty rules. There's no way around it, which is why I am unable to work with clients who are rude to me or towards themselves or clients who are not clean physically.

 

I am not very good at faking or taking shit. (And I believe none of us really is, but that's another issue.)

 

The same way your job as an escort is to provide fantasy, my job is to provide impeccable honesty, and neither is better or worse, they just serve entirely different purposes: I have had incredibly hot sessions with incredibly hot "fantasy" escorts, as well as life changing experiences with the other type, and it is likely that I will pursue both types in the future. But I would really like to stress that this is in no way an insight into the world of all escorts.

 

The last thing that I want to address is what Romann said about escort blogs being comparable to client's reviews. I don't often disagree with you, handsome, but in my case I would not want to ever divulge anything that has happened with my clients; sometimes during my sessions my clients allow themselves to try something new, allow themselves a license, open up to a new level, and in order for them to feel the necessary trust in the process to allow themselves going there, it has to be understood that none of what happens then will be of public domain, even under a different name and a different guise.

 

I want my clients to dance as if no one is watching, therefore I have to make sure that nobody will... unless that is what we are exploring willingly.

 

I find it fascinating how all of us, clients and escorts have such personal ways to look at everything and I only wish that our own way will be satisfying, fulfilling and will make us feel better about who we are. After all, I think that is what life is all about.

 

Here's to a richer life for all of us!

[Guest IndyMedic2006]

I do.

 

And I always do. (As does every client.) There is nothing easier than knowing when someone that is with us is excited, thrilled, turned on, present, curious, focused or when he dislikes us, when he is uncomfortable about doing his work, when he thinks we are not desirable or when he is clearly not turned on by what he is doing. (Yes, I have also been in this situation; none of us is perfect and not everyone will always like us; there's always someone who will think we are fat, old, ugly, too dark or too white, too manly or too whiny, someone who would much rather bottom or top or who would rather be with a woman or his boyfriend. I too have been in the presence of a bored, unengaged, drugged, unavailable escort and no matter how good they think they are at lying you can always tell the truth.)

 

No matter how much I am paying, I want to know the truth... and shallow man that I am, human, if you please, I only want to be with people who enjoy me and find me fun, attractive, exciting, interesting, I want to feel like someone who is worthy of sharing their time.

 

I would have to agree with Juan! I don't want to be lied to or just told what someone thinks I want to hear. I hire the guy that I do because he has always been open and honest about what he thinks and feels along with his likes and dislikes. I want a real person... not a fake person pretending to be someone they think I want them to be. I like phrase that Juan used.... I do want to feel like someone who is worth of spending time with. I don't think that anyone else said it better.

 

The same way your job as an escort is to provide fantasy, my job is to provide impeccable honesty, and neither is better or worse, they just serve entirely different purposes: I have had incredibly hot sessions with incredibly hot "fantasy" escorts, as well as life changing experiences with the other type, and it is likely that I will pursue both types in the future. But I would really like to stress that this is in no way an insight into the world of all escorts.

Juan...Have all the life changing experiences been with other escorts or are then experiences that you have had with clients?

[Juan Vancouver]

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Juan...Have all the life changing experiences been with other escorts or are then experiences that you have had with clients?

 

I am a bit of a greedy bastard and I believe that we are here to make the best out of our lives. Because of that, I am a junky for connection and growth and learning. I have had life changing experiences with escorts as their client, with other escorts as colleagues, with clients as their escort, with waiters as their patron, at the movie theatre both because and in spite the movie playing, with my friends, with my family, with fuck buddies and with people for whom I felt strong dislike, and of course, with my right hand.

 

I believe that if you train yourself, it is really easy to spot such opportunities wherever you go

[instudiocity]

No matter how much I am paying, I want to know the truth... I only want to be with people who enjoy me and find me fun, attractive, exciting, interesting, I want to feel like someone who is worthy of sharing their time.

 

<Big Jump>

 

... but I have found that most of the people that I meet, sometimes unbeknownst to them, are looking for something else: a way to understand and accept themselves, a way to feel more comfortable and in charge of their bodies and sexuality, a better understanding of intimacy and a greater sense of confidence none of which can ever be built with lies or fantasy. That kind of process can only be facilitated through honesty and clear communication. For me and for the specific characteristics of my practice, honesty rules. There's no way around it, which is why I am unable to work with clients who are rude to me or towards themselves or clients who are not clean physically.

 

I am not very good at faking or taking shit. (And I believe none of us really is, but that's another issue.)

 

The same way your job as an escort is to provide fantasy, my job is to provide impeccable honesty, and neither is better or worse, they just serve entirely different purposes: I have had incredibly hot sessions with incredibly hot "fantasy" escorts, as well as life changing experiences with the other type, and it is likely that I will pursue both types in the future. But I would really like to stress that this is in no way an insight into the world of all escorts.

 

Honesty is the most important quality in all my companions, paid and unpaid. Especially, Intellectual Honesty. How can I expect to have a good time or be assured of my companion's discretion if he's not honest?

 

I guess the fantasies can be classified as ranging from a VIP Tour at Disneyland all the way down to the corner carnival. I think I'll take the VIP Tour, please!

 

I want my clients to dance as if no one is watching, therefore I have to make sure that nobody will... unless that is what we are exploring willingly.

 

Here's to a richer life for all of us!

Juan, we've gotta dance REAL SOON!

[hunkymuscles]

GQ,

I've just started reading your blog. Being an escort myself and not knowing many escorts at all, it's nice to read the experiences of another escorts and their thoughts. Keep up the good work

[leigh.bess.toad]

Juan – you are exactly right. I want the truth and I damned well better get the truth. If for one minute I think I’m not getting the truth I will never hire that escort again. Period, end of story. Fantasy is one thing. Being lied to is another thing. Juan, you and I share a very similar philosophy of the role of an escort, one that GQPro obviously has no interest in whatsoever. Because if he did, the concept of "old, fat and ugly" would have never, EVER crossed his mind. I’ve maintained since day one here that I view the role of an escort as teacher, guide, mentor, social worker, philosopher, psychologist and about a dozen other things all rolled into one. I can’t get to where I want to go on my journey if the person I’m entrusting to help me get there is lying to me. I’m all for fantasy – who isn’t? But fantasy and honesty are not mutually exclusive and to view them as such shows an incredible lack of imagination and consideration of the client’s needs and wants. The job of an escort is to provide fantasy but it is so very much more. At least it is for the good ones, Juan, such as yourself.

 

GQPro – you criticized Dave for using the forum to promote his business. A few points. First, if he is, he’s doing a lousy job of marketing because he is averaging about 1 post a week for almost a year and half. You have had almost as many posts in 3 months as he has had in 18. However, even if he was, that is, to me, one of the purposes of the forum. I sure as hell wish more escorts would come in here and talk to the clients. I deeply regret that so many of the escorts have pulled back from posting here because that is one of the key ways we clients have to get to know the escort, to decide do we want to hire them, do we find them appealing. Because, believe it or not, there are many of us who aren’t out here just for a big dick and muscles. We are looking for brains, sensitivity, creativity, thoughtfulness, playfulness, sensuality, and so very much more. And the escorts that do post here provide that glimpse into their world and their thoughts in a lot more clear and believable manner than a relatively new 40-something escort who hides behind a nom de plume. And then top it off you conclude with this doozy: “I would never personally attack another escort to make myself look good.” What in the fuck do you think you just did with that sentence? You just criticized another escort in an attempt to make yourself look superior to him. So you WOULD do what you said you wouldn’t. Would and did.

 

Among the many members of the forum whom I am fortunate enough to count as friends are some absolutely amazing escorts: Juan Vancouver, Romann, Peter Hung, Mikey9nola, Dane Michaels, Dave in DC, Ryaan Morgan, Tyger, Raul Manzo, Brandon Williams, Sean Knight. These gentlemen, and each and every one of them is a gentleman, have all expanded my understanding of myself, themselves, escorting, clients and many other topics. And many of them have been there with and for me when I’ve had problems to address on their own time. And they all have put themselves out on the forum for us to see and observe and learn. Many others like David-sf, Ryan Cade, Devon Hunter, Munroe & Ross, to name a few have done the same. Rather than hiding behind some artifice that you say provides you the license to be honest, all it’s really doing is giving you the license to bitch and moan about “I didn’t get a tip” or “my clients are fat, old, and ugly.” Well we all have things about our job we don’t like. Tough shit. And every one has strange stories about their job. See Ms. Guy’s story about the cucumber and the condoms. You want strange stories about their job – go work at Walmart. Go to thepeopleofwalmart.com to get strange. Read Reader’s Digest. And almost every one of the gentlemen I mentioned have been in the business for a lot longer than you and but they all have a lot more credibility than you because they put their name and reputation on everything they say rather than hide behind the safety of a screen name. Credibility is earned not given and one key way it is earned is by putting your name and reputation on the line with each and every post you make. Since you lack the courage to reveal who you are, how are we to give you any credibility?

 

And not only have you gone after escorts you have gone after clients: instudiocity and indymedic to name two. And now I’m sure you will go after me. Well I’ve been on the forum for only 5 months, but in that time I think I have a reputation of being very calm and mild mannered. I have never engaged in a personal attack – until now, which should tell you how pissed off you make me. My friends will know as will most others on the forum. I have spent my time trying to bring people together as I did with the DC Message Forum lunch earlier this week. I don’t do mad.

 

You say your blog is for an open and honest exchange of ideas. Yet you edit the most offensive of the posts so that people who read it later won’t know how truly offensive it was. You want honest – put the original back up and put the revised version up next to it. And don’t take down comments that people leave on the blog that you don’t like which I have been told you have done on at least one occasion. Is that open?

 

In other words, stop thinking you are the first one who ever had any of these thoughts because you’re not. There is precious little new in this world. Stop thinking you are God’s gift to escorting. I’m certain you are not. But most of all stop hiding behind the anonymity of a fake name.

[instudiocity]

[included in my thoughts but not reproduced here, again.]

Wow, Lee, you do PISSED really well. I mean, complete sentences, whole paragraphs and dogmatism as well. Personally, I'm past GQ<notso>Pro's inability to dialogue about his blog.

 

GQP's intellectually dishonest with himself. Until he's open to hearing the truth and accepting other's views, no one can have a friendly discussion that would improve us all. He's just a huckster selling his own brand of snake oil. er, um, fantasy.

 

But, the good news of this thread is GQP has stimulated the incredible mind of Juan Bruno, producing yet another Epistle of Escorting.

 

I'm astounded by the simplicity of JUAN BRUNO's GOAL OF ESCORTING:

I want my clients to dance as if no one is watching, therefore I have to make sure that nobody will... (emphasis added)

If that doesn't say it all, and quite eloquently, whilst setting the standard of a true Pro very high indeed.

[Guest IndyMedic2006]

Thought I have not had any communication with Juan, I have to say he is quite the eloquent writer and along with the phrase, several phrases in his posting really stuck with me. I have to imagine that dancing with Juan would be quite the experience.

[Dave]

I sure as hell wish more escorts would come in here and talk to the clients. I deeply regret that so many of the escorts have pulled back from posting here because that is one of the key ways we clients have to get to know the escort, to decide do we want to hire them, do we find them appealing. Because, believe it or not, there are many of us who aren’t out here just for a big dick and muscles. We are looking for brains, sensitivity, creativity, thoughtfulness, playfulness, sensuality, and so very much more. And the escorts that do post here provide that glimpse into their world and their thoughts in a lot more clear and believable manner than a relatively new 40-something escort who hides behind a nom de plume. And then top it off you conclude with this doozy: “I would never personally attack another escort to make myself look good.” What in the fuck do you think you just did with that sentence? You just criticized another escort in an attempt to make yourself look superior to him. So you WOULD do what you said you wouldn’t. Would and did.

 

since receiving that Very Public message from GQPro, i've stopped posting anything on this thread. IMO, that action of his was inappropriate - i felt it belonged in a private message to me. and as such, i replied to him that way.

 

i was still subscribed to the thread so i got to read Juan's thoughts, and really wanted to comment on them. but quite honestly i wavered between "i'm outta here; the guy who started this has been pretty shitty to me" and "fuck that, i want to post, and it's not like it's just HIS thread..."

 

i still am ambivalent about posting here, truth be told. i am grateful to Lee for writing his recent post - especially for the words i've quoted above. for once again, the message board becomes not a place of discourse, a sharing of ideas, and a helpful forum that makes people feel good, but (in this case, for me at least, and apparently Lee, too) a place of negativity, anger, hurt, and ultimately a shutting down of further conversation.

 

last week i was on a working trip in nyc. for those of you that don’t realize this, when escorts travel they are often busier than usual - not necessarily with more appointments, but dealing with all the other things involving travel and being in places where their routine is not. on this particular trip, i was also spending personal time with people i don’t get to see regularly. yet during that time i read his charge, and took the time to reply to it immediately. now, more than four days later, i’ve not heard back from him. and although my message was private, i’ll share the first sentence of it here. it began, “i’m sorry to have pissed you off.”

 

so Lee, you are right. i have pulled back from posting here. and i think this’ll be my last message in this thread. anyone who wants to discuss this or any other thing with me, feel free to private message me.

 

and i hope this post isn’t seen as a marketing tool.

[instudiocity]

Dave,

... You obviously consider yourself the escort expert king and feel the need to convey that to all of us.

Dave, in comparison to this piss-ant, GQPro, you are at least a Prince here on Daddy's Message-Forum! (I think Daddy's the King.) I might just get Lee to crown you, if you'd like?

 

since receiving that Very Public message from GQPro, i've stopped posting anything on this thread. IMO, that action of his was inappropriate - i felt it belonged in a private message to me. and as such, i replied to him that way.

Yup, me, too! He ignored one of my posts completely then called me out because I was offering a different insight and suggested I am no longer welcome to read his drivel. I AGREED!

 

GQPro is intellectually dishonest. He is unable to accept the fact that THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I'm not saying he's an idiot, far from it! He is intelligent. His dishonesty is exhibited when he cannot hear constructive criticism as anything but a personal attack. When I caught him in a quandry, he ignored my post and then days later when I posted on this thread, he told me to quit reading his thread because I AM DISAGREEABLE!

 

The first mark of intelligence is the ability to recognize that even an IDIOT may possess a correct answer. One of favorite bits (bites*) of wisdom is, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and sometimes that beats me, 2:1!" The understanding that one might not have the answer(s), even though one possesses the questions is the true mark of intelligence.

 

Your post here demonstrates that your intelligent. But you're frustrated in dealing with someone who doesn't understand that he doesn't have to always be The Hero of His Every Story.

 

i was still subscribed to the thread so i got to read Juan's thoughts, and really wanted to comment on them. but quite honestly i wavered between "i'm outta here; the guy who started this has been pretty shitty to me" and "fuck that, i want to post, and it's not like it's just HIS thread..."

This is OUR forum, not any one person's forum. I want to see what you have to say about Juan Bruno's post - which I believe is EXCELLENT. I'm sure your response will be, too!

 

i still am ambivalent about posting here, truth be told. i am grateful to Lee for writing his recent post - especially for the words I've quoted above. for once again, the message board becomes not a place of discourse, a sharing of ideas, and a helpful forum that makes people feel good, but (in this case, for me at least, and apparently Lee, too) a place of negativity, anger, hurt, and ultimately a shutting down of further conversation.

 

POST! - don't let a anyone run you off! You don't have to retreat due to his crass behavior.

 

last week i was on a working trip in nyc. for those of you that don’t realize this, when escorts travel they are often busier than usual - not necessarily with more appointments, but dealing with all the other things involving travel and being in places where their routine is not. on this particular trip, i was also spending personal time with people i don’t get to see regularly. yet during that time i read his charge, and took the time to reply to it immediately. now, more than four days later, i’ve not heard back from him. and although my message was private, i’ll share the first sentence of it here. it began, “i’m sorry to have pissed you off.”

 

The only way what you posted in the open thread could piss someone off, is for them to take personal offense to what you wrote - which means you were most likely CORRECT!

 

so Lee, you are right. i have pulled back from posting here. and i think this’ll be my last message in this thread. anyone who wants to discuss this or any other thing with me, feel free to private message me.

 

and i hope this post isn’t seen as a marketing tool.

 

Sorry to disregard your Private Message request, but I think someone else needs to remove himself from the discussion....

 

*Bits/Bites - sometimes a bit of wisdom bites me in my ass.

[Diverdan]

I decided some time ago not to respond to all the comments that were being made by GQPro here, but this latest round got me more than a bit irritated. I so appreciate what Juan has said and what Dave has said and also my good friend Lee. Neither Dave nor Juan need this Forum to be a success, they are both success personified. Having been with both of them, as well as some other well reviewed escorts here, they are both the cream of the crop. I hope that Dave, Juan and others will continue to contribute to the Forum and just ignore the outrageous comments of some of the other posters. Unfortunately some of the comments here have led to DavidSF, AndrewD and others no longer posting, and we are the losers as a result. I am getting to be like NYTomcat too, and doing more and more in private messaging, although that takes away from the entier purpose of this Forum.

How about some appreciation of others here, and may I suggest that you do unto others, only what you would like to have done to you!!!

DD