Avoiding set-ups/stings

[Guest FTLdude]

I just posted a question in another thread about a Miami escort on the Rentboy site and the responses I got is that he's likely a decoy. To escorts (and clients also) who have been doing this successfully for a while, what things do you generally look for that have caused you to suspect a decoy/sting in the past?

 

This is my first time hiring and if it hadn't been for this site I probably would have walked right into that one.

[josephga]

Where the male side of the business goes I think cops normally would pose as the client and not as an escort. not saying it doesn't happen but i dont think cops pose as escorts on men4rentnow or rentboy. more likely would pose as a client. I think you most likely would see a sting in a hotel and not at your place. cops like to control the scene and they lose some control if they are coming too you. dont talk about money or sex in the same line of convo. if in doubt kiss the escort the moment you see them i doubt a cop would kiss unless he's a openly gay one. From what iv been told by those who have been arrested if you find yourself in the room with the cops you will be charged with something regardless if it sticks or not.. when it comes to males hiring females cops tend to pose as escorts or as clients. butt when it comes to m4m hiring i rarely hear of a cop posing as a escort.. but more as a client with hopes of busting the male escort..

[+ peterhung85]

Sting!

 

It certainly has some truth in "josephga's" writing but not precise enough therefore I would like to "complete" it

When I started writing my blog, one of the first writings was about this topic... Please feel free to "refresh" your memory if you would like to:

 

http://peterhung85.blogspot.com/2010/08/legal-system-in-nevada-about.html

 

Now... Cops prefer to bust male escorts rather than clients, you are absolutely right... easier targets, fast actions, outcalls mainly (escort comes to a pre-set location) and they can get their quota reasonably fast. However... Do not be so comfortable by hiring someone... Cops like to pose as escorts and they are very willing to come to you (you have no idea how much!)... Indeed... the way they bust you is that they record the conversation with some kind of media (phone, wire or the pre-set location is under video surveillance). Once they record something illegal sex for money (BUT... you guys need to know... it does NOT! have to be money... it can be "a ride to the airport, 24 flowers, a box of chocolate...etc. you name it...) any kind of sexual activity in favor of ANYTHING can be ground for making the arrest. It does NOT have to be money! Josephga said it perfectly... Cops will try to force the sex for money type of thing... or like... what does the $200 include? never fall for that ... (details in my blog about that).

 

Once you meet them in person (josephga said that perfectly as well) it is 99% that you are going to be busted whether or not you agreed or offered anything illegal. Once you are there they no longer want to let you go... BUT! There is a mistake that "josephga" mentioned about kissing the cop.

Let's say you had the phone call, you only discussed money... nothing sexual... you wanna make sure that he is not a cop so you go there and kiss him. That can be another ground for making the arrest (it is another story that in the court of law it will not stand and your case will be dismissed most likely).

As it is well known by now:

"Even suggestive gestures the defendant allegedly made might be introduced as evidence of solicitation cases. However, they’re usually insufficient to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt unless more corroborating facts are presented."

As I said... kissing somebody IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANT... "suggestive gesture"... a kiss would be more than suggestive Do not be fooled and do not do "suggestive gestures" such as kissing... that's not the way you suppose to measure whether it is a cop or not.

 

Now... Cops will NOT kiss you whether we are talking about a gay/straight/bi/ - and as my very good friend Mario Roma once told me the other type - --->confused person But you will get your "roleplay" started with a nice pair of handcuffs on you... (even if you did not request that type of service beforehand)

 

Anyway, a person who wants to talk IN DETAILS about what is going to happen is a person who is most likely a cop... If you have that "bad feeling" JUST LEAVE! If they want to talk about it in person (meaning they could not get you over the phone) than that means that they want to work on providing additional evidences, such as a verbal agreement that is recorded). If they feel that they have sufficient evidences to make the arrest... all you have to do is to knock on the door... once you step in, you are under arrest... No need to say "hi" even... The next thing is when you are already arrested and about to be prosecuted:

In terms of prosecution your attorney can claim that you were NOT predisposed to solicitation and that the cop’s actions went far... Predisposition means that you were not PREPARED for a solicitation crime... To be more specific you did not have a condom, lube...etc in your posession when the arrest was made...

 

Anyway... I could write this all day long but I think it is easier if you just check out my blog's solicitation article about it...

 

Safe hires! (And always try to hire somebody who is well-reviewed on DADDY'S... it is very easy to fabricate reviews on the other sites...)

 

~PEter

http://peterhung85.blogspot.com/2010/08/legal-system-in-nevada-about.html

[Toulouse]

In terms of prosecution your attorney can claim that you were NOT predisposed to solicitation and that the cop’s actions went far... Predisposition means that you were not PREPARED for a solicitation crime... To be more specific you did not have a condom, lube...etc in your posession when the arrest was made...

 

Peter, I found your advice, as well as Joseph's suggestions, quite useful. I'm just curious about how you avoid the appearance of predisposition? Don't most escorts provide condoms, lube, massage oil, other necessary supplies, etc. Do you? At least every guy I've hired has. Thanks for your wisdom and helpful information.

[jawjateck]

Ah, being a newbie...that brings back memories for me from Spring 2000 when I found the Hooboy website (predecessor to Daddys). The website stirred my interest and after a few months of perusing the reviews and lurking around the message board, I hired a hot stud while on a business trip in Denver. He was so awesome, and of course, in my newness and eagerness, it didn't take much to please me; I invited him back to my hotel the next night too. I still remember my heart racing, my thoughts running wild, and when he knocked on the door, I almost jumped out of my skin with anxiety and thoughts like "what the hell am I doing?" But he was so hot and passionate and goodlooking and into it.....I realized I could do this again and again and again and ten years later, I'm still loving it and always on the hunt for that next fun guy.

 

Joseph and Peter have offered some good words from the CMT/escort point of view, but let me encourgage you as a fellow client. It's easy to become overwhelmed with signs, warnings, dos, and donts, so much so, that you won't be able to enjoy the experience of your first hire. You have to trust your conscience and your instincts, and don't violate your internal warning signals no matter how hot the guy appears in the ad, but as a newbie, your instincts can run wild with possibilities of thrills and horrors and can be quite faulty. So start your hiring career with well-reviewed guys from Daddys, positive reviews from reviewers who have contributed multiple reviews to Daddys. Never trust a review from a first-time reviewer; which may be accurate, but more times than not, just tend to be an ad for the escort. And if anything ever alarms you from an ad, email, text, or phone call, simply drop the pursuit of that escort, and move on. Once you become suspicious or doubtful of a guy for whatever reason, it's best to pass because you will have those nagging thoughts and won't be able to enjoy your stud du jour.

 

After hiring over 100 wonderful guys in 10 years, I assure you, you will have a great time, and find exactly the guy(s) you want. Once you gain some experience, your instincts will become better trained, and allow you to branch out and attempt a newbie, unreviewed escort. I occasionally try unreviewed guys, and have had great experiences with them, but that is only after I learned the game, and sharpened my instincts on how to play in our village.

 

Happy hunting!

[+ peterhung85]

Peter, I found your advice, as well as Joseph's suggestions, quite useful. I'm just curious about how you avoid the appearance of predisposition? Don't most escorts provide condoms, lube, massage oil, other necessary supplies, etc. Do you? At least every guy I've hired has. Thanks for your wisdom and helpful information.

 

Hello Toulouse,

 

When I mentioned the predisposition, I mentioned it in a "client hiring undercover cop" angle. I did not mean it for the "escort visits the undercover cop" angle. Obviously, all escorts will provide all the necessary supplies when they go out for a call. But if someone calls me and during the phone call try to discuss money for sex, I simply tell the person that it is solicitation of prostitution, I excuse myself and hang up. If I just say it is illegal, but then I still meet the person while I have lube, condoms...etc. in my posession then it can be a ground to make the arrest. That is why I never go out to see anybody who asks/"solicits" sex for money... That is just simply the best way to avoid... If they do not force anything over the phone (could happen but rare) and their sting is solely based on the hidden camera in the room where the sting takes place, just because I have condoms and lube in my possession can not be even a ground to make an arrest unless money is discussed on the spot or some kind of solicitation takes place IN PERSON. If nothing illegal is discussed over the phone and they try to get you agree or offer something illegal in person then the best thing to do is to tell them that you are not a part of any illegal activity and leave the room immediately.

 

Hope this helps!

 

And as "jawjateck" said: Hire well reviewed guys!!!

[josephga]

When a cop bought a massage from me in 09 he even got completely naked in front of me and got on the table bypassing the draping. It doesn't surprise me at all how far they will go. when I wouldn't disuse sex they went for the next thing operating a massage studio in a residential area. 3750.00 fine. if they can't charge you with sex charges or offering erotic massage they will go for what they can get. Only thing that kept me from going to jail was a massage license on the wall. its illegal in the majority of states to massage without a license. I know a couple of people that got tossed in jail for it. Atlanta even reqs a permit too escort or strip. if they cant bust you for sex they will bust you for not having the permit if they choose. In my case my down fall was a problem neighbor. i called the police on her for disturbing the peace and animal abuse. they goggled my phone number and my ads came up. figured easier to get rid of me than the neighbor, imo they knew i was there the whole 6 1/2 years and didn't care until i had this problem with the neighbor. unfortunately massage and escorting is a job where you must walk with your head held low and not bring any attention to yourself.

[+ peterhung85]

When a cop bought a massage from me in 09 he even got completely naked in front of me and got on the table bypassing the draping. It doesn't surprise me at all how far they will go. when I wouldn't disuse sex they went for the next thing operating a massage studio in a residential area. 3750.00 fine. if they can't charge you with sex charges or offering erotic massage they will go for what they can get. Only thing that kept me from going to jail was a massage license on the wall. its illegal in the majority of states to massage without a license. I know a couple of people that got tossed in jail for it. Atlanta even reqs a permit too escort or strip. if they cant bust you for sex they will bust you for not having the permit if they choose. In my case my down fall was a problem neighbor. i called the police on her for disturbing the peace and animal abuse. they goggled my phone number and my ads came up. figured easier to get rid of me than the neighbor, imo they knew i was there the whole 6 1/2 years and didn't care until i had this problem with the neighbor. unfortunately massage and escorting is a job where you must walk with your head held low and not bring any attention to yourself.

 

True (unfortunately)! If they can't get you for solicitation they will dig deep to try to find something else... revenue for the county, revenue for the attorneys, revenue for the companies doing the "john school or AIDS awareness courses"...etc. which keeps that part of the economy moving

They can even touch your dick (however that has to come from the top /at least captain's order/!). The sad thing is is that even if they knew perfectly that the charges will not stand in front of the judge, they figure: Let those guys figure it out, we do not care, we just met our quota with you

One thing I really can't stand is animal abuse... I am proud of you that you reported it! Wish you the very best josephga!

 

PS: License for stripping/massage/escort is necessary in almost every state. It is another question that SOLICITATION is illegal in all those counties as well (1-2 exceptions apply!)

[Mocha]

I just posted a question in another thread about a Miami escort on the Rentboy site and the responses I got is that he's likely a decoy.

 

I'm curious to know exactly what was said that made you think he was a decoy?

 

The issue I have with ideas like that is technically you are pre-judging an escort without even digging deeper or even allowing the escort to give a response.

 

When I went to Indianapolis last month, I had came across so many clients that wrote back, "I was scared/nervous etc. etc...thats why I didn't show up or call you to let you know I wasn't going to show up. yet they couldn't even tell me that over the initial email conversation. Had they bought it up to my attention, I would have gladly fowarded the links to my reviews for them to read. But they didn't even bother to mention it until a couple days after the appointment...and in my eyes they were unreliable.

 

Alot of times when people come to me with concerns like that, I have to get them to think logically and say, "look...are YOU a cop? I'm worried about you. I'm the one here in a strange town on my own...what about YOU? And besides, what cop would be calling from a Florida area code number way the hell out in Nevada, or Missouri? Would their task force really be interested in sending cops out of state? And even deeper, I feel that alot of the guys who are too worried about stuff like that try to use it as an excuse to drag you along in an endless conversation, but in actuality they dont have any money and just using the cop thing as an excuse. The ones who are concerned but really want to book...usually ask that over the phone or in person, not thru an email.

[josephga]

If it sounds too good to be true i tend to think it is. i had a guy contact me for a massage once said he was at a hotel down near the airport. i didn't offer out calls. he said he noticed i only offered massage but wanted more. he offered me 500.00 for 1 hour of escorting. i passed and blocked his number.. I'm 42 years old aint no body going to give me 500.00 for sex ..

[+ newatthis]

just following orders

 

...They can even touch your dick (however that has to come from the top /at least captain's order/!)...

Peter --

 

Now that's got me really curious! How do you know this? Did you get hold of some kind of operations manual? Or have friends who are cops? If they get an order from someone higher up than the captain, can they give you head?

 

--new (only partly tongue-in-cheek)

 

PS Do I get any credit for resisting the obvious top/captain remark?

[+ peterhung85]

I'm curious to know exactly what was said that made you think he was a decoy?

 

The issue I have with ideas like that is technically you are pre-judging an escort without even digging deeper or even allowing the escort to give a response.

 

When I went to Indianapolis last month, I had came across so many clients that wrote back, "I was scared/nervous etc. etc...thats why I didn't show up or call you to let you know I wasn't going to show up. yet they couldn't even tell me that over the initial email conversation. Had they bought it up to my attention, I would have gladly fowarded the links to my reviews for them to read. But they didn't even bother to mention it until a couple days after the appointment...and in my eyes they were unreliable.

 

Alot of times when people come to me with concerns like that, I have to get them to think logically and say, "look...are YOU a cop? I'm worried about you. I'm the one here in a strange town on my own...what about YOU? And besides, what cop would be calling from a Florida area code number way the hell out in Nevada, or Missouri? Would their task force really be interested in sending cops out of state? And even deeper, I feel that alot of the guys who are too worried about stuff like that try to use it as an excuse to drag you along in an endless conversation, but in actuality they dont have any money and just using the cop thing as an excuse. The ones who are concerned but really want to book...usually ask that over the phone or in person, not thru an email.

 

Dear Mocha,

 

They do not bring cops from out of State but usually cops DO USE out of state numbers for stings... there are more stings with out of state numbers than local numbers... just so you know...

[+ peterhung85]

Peter --

 

Now that's got me really curious! How do you know this? Did you get hold of some kind of operations manual? Or have friends who are cops? If they get an order from someone higher up than the captain, can they give you head?

 

--new (only partly tongue-in-cheek)

 

PS Do I get any credit for resisting the obvious top/captain remark?

 

You are great! Usually when cops do major stings the captain determines how far they can go... not at all, verbal flirting, touching genital area, showing genital area... obviously you will not get a blowjob... You can always say it was entrapment - which would be absolutely true if the "cops actions go too far", but then again... good luck proving it in front of the judge that he/she really did touch your penis.

 

However, I would prefer to keep my resources to myself.

 

XOXO

[Guest greatness]

Good answer. Kisses and hugs~~~

 

However, I would prefer to keep my resources to myself.

 

XOXO

[josephga]

What type of fines are escorts looking at if busted

[+ peterhung85]

What type of fines are escorts looking at if busted

 

It varies state by state and county by county. In the state of Nevada (Clark county) the bail amount is $1,200 for solicitation cases. Accepted form of payments: Cash (if you get busted with enough amount or debit card or credit card or by a bail bond agency. /Sorry, no paypal / There are 2 ways to post your bail:

1.) You can pay 20% and promise to show up at court. In this case you are NOT entitled for any refund... OR!

2.) You can pay the full amount of $1,200 and promise to show up at court. In that case regardless of the outcome of your case at court, you get the FULL refund within 4-6 months(!).

 

Time is counted from the day the decision was made and NOT from the day the arrest was made or the bail was posted. However, in Clark county judges tend to impose a $1,000 fine (which is the highest they can "call") so it generates revenue for the county. In this case, you still get your $200 back if you posted your full bail.

[Guest FTLdude]

I'm curious to know exactly what was said that made you think he was a decoy?

 

Several people who responded said that the escort's rate is a red flag. He may or may not actually be one, but the rate he's charging does seem a bit odd for an escort who looks as good as he does. Escorts in this area who don't look anywhere near as good charge significantly more. I don't know, maybe you're right and he's purposefully undercharging because competition is tough and he needs the volume. This market isn't as big as say NYC or LA, but then those cities are much bigger with far more clients for escorts to serve.

 

 

The issue I have with ideas like that is technically you are pre-judging an escort without even digging deeper or even allowing the escort to give a response.

 

I googled this guy, searched him out on other escort sites, tried to fo find reviews on him on pretty much every escort review site. Couldn't find anything on him at all except for that one ad on that one website. Asked about him here and others said they'd seen his ad but never worked with him. How and where else would you suggest I dig? If I asked the escort outright whether or not he's a cop, should I just take his word for it if he says that he isn't?

 

 

When I went to Indianapolis last month, I had came across so many clients that wrote back, "I was scared/nervous etc. etc...thats why I didn't show up or call you to let you know I wasn't going to show up. yet they couldn't even tell me that over the initial email conversation. Had they bought it up to my attention, I would have gladly fowarded the links to my reviews for them to read. But they didn't even bother to mention it until a couple days after the appointment...and in my eyes they were unreliable.

 

I wouldn't waste another person's time like that. I've seen ads from a few guys that I'm interested in. So far I've only contacted only a couple of them in my local area. I call them just to find out their availability and to confirm the rate. I figured that none of them would get into too much details beyond that about what their service does or doesn't include since they don't know who they're talking to. I carefully read the ads before I contacted them and if that information isn't already provided or at least clearly suggested in the ad, then I wouldn't bother to contact them at all. I also wouldn't book the apppointment unless I intend to show up for it. Don't like wasting my time either.

 

Alot of times when people come to me with concerns like that, I have to get them to think logically and say, "look...are YOU a cop? I'm worried about you. I'm the one here in a strange town on my own...what about YOU? And besides, what cop would be calling from a Florida area code number way the hell out in Nevada, or Missouri? Would their task force really be interested in sending cops out of state?

 

What you're saying could be true, but consider that this isn't like the days when most phone calls originated from land lines that were assigned by a local telephone company with local area and PBX exchange codes. Wireless phone companies can assign cell phone numbers with any area code that a customer wants. A vice cop who wants clients to think he's an escort visiting from out of town could easily be working with such an assigned number. No?

 

And even deeper, I feel that alot of the guys who are too worried about stuff like that try to use it as an excuse to drag you along in an endless conversation, but in actuality they dont have any money and just using the cop thing as an excuse.

 

Maybe you're right about this, but in my case I have to proceed with caution. In my profession, an arrest (conviction not necessary) may be enough to cause one to lose one's license to practice (or prevent one from getting licensed) in a number of states because they don't consider soliciting to be a form of 'good moral character'. The state boards from which I have a license require self reporting of any arrests as a condition of having the license, and depending on the circumstances, they may decide to suspend or revoke the license, even if the charges are dropped. I would be required to appear in person in front of the board to explain (in detail) the circumstances under which I were arrested. Despite knowing this, I'm not paranoid about hiring...just very careful.

 

I don't do endless conversations, but I understand what you mean. I definitely have the money, but I'd rather be using it to hire hot boys than to pay a lawyer to keep me out of jail.

 

The ones who are concerned but really want to book...usually ask that over the phone or in person, not thru an email.

 

After reading what others have posted in this thread, I'm not so sure that it makes much of a difference whether you negotiate in person, over the phone, or through e-mail. If you're dealing with a cop who's experienced at this sort of thing (especially if you're an escort or a john who's not very experienced at this sort of thing), he/she is probably very good at doing and saying stuff to get you to trust them enough before the takedown drops. Isn''t this how they catch many people off guard?

[instudiocity]

ftldude - hire a Daddy's Reviewed escort - it's the easiest and safest way. If an arrest automatically puts your license and livelihood in jeopardy, you cannot afford to hire less than the best. The BEST are Daddy's Reviews escorts.

[+ peterhung85]

Several people who responded said that the escort's rate is a red flag. He may or may not actually be one, but the rate he's charging does seem a bit odd for an escort who looks as good as he does. Escorts in this area who don't look anywhere near as good charge significantly more. I don't know, maybe you're right and he's purposefully undercharging because competition is tough and he needs the volume. This market isn't as big as say NYC or LA, but then those cities are much bigger with far more clients for escorts to serve.

 

 

 

 

I googled this guy, searched him out on other escort sites, tried to fo find reviews on him on pretty much every escort review site. Couldn't find anything on him at all except for that one ad on that one website. Asked about him here and others said they'd seen his ad but never worked with him. How and where else would you suggest I dig? If I asked the escort outright whether or not he's a cop, should I just take his word for it if he says that he isn't?

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't waste another person's time like that. I've seen ads from a few guys that I'm interested in. So far I've only contacted only a couple of them in my local area. I call them just to find out their availability and to confirm the rate. I figured that none of them would get into too much details beyond that about what their service does or doesn't include since they don't know who they're talking to. I carefully read the ads before I contacted them and if that information isn't already provided or at least clearly suggested in the ad, then I wouldn't bother to contact them at all. I also wouldn't book the apppointment unless I intend to show up for it. Don't like wasting my time either.

 

 

 

What you're saying could be true, but consider that this isn't like the days when most phone calls originated from land lines that were assigned by a local telephone company with local area and PBX exchange codes. Wireless phone companies can assign cell phone numbers with any area code that a customer wants. A vice cop who wants clients to think he's an escort visiting from out of town could easily be working with such an assigned number. No?

 

 

 

Maybe you're right about this, but in my case I have to proceed with caution. In my profession, an arrest (conviction not necessary) may be enough to cause one to lose one's license to practice (or prevent one from getting licensed) in a number of states because they don't consider soliciting to be a form of 'good moral character'. The state boards from which I have a license require self reporting of any arrests as a condition of having the license, and depending on the circumstances, they may decide to suspend or revoke the license, even if the charges are dropped. I would be required to appear in person in front of the board to explain (in detail) the circumstances under which I were arrested. Despite knowing this, I'm not paranoid about hiring...just very careful.

 

I don't do endless conversations, but I understand what you mean. I definitely have the money, but I'd rather be using it to hire hot boys than to pay a lawyer to keep me out of jail.

 

 

 

After reading what others have posted in this thread, I'm not so sure that it makes much of a difference whether you negotiate in person, over the phone, or through e-mail. If you're dealing with a cop who's experienced at this sort of thing (especially if you're an escort or a john who's not very experienced at this sort of thing), he/she is probably very good at doing and saying stuff to get you to trust them enough before the takedown drops. Isn''t this how they catch many people off guard?

 

Dear FTLdude,

 

It is a very old thing asking: Are you a cop? C'mon that's the 21st century... You will never find out that way... By the way... If you are a high profile person as you make it sound like and a possible arrest might break your career into half then WHY ON EARTH would you risk that just because somebody who has a really hot picture posted on ONE website with no reviews and without anyone knowing ANYTHING about that guy... Go to daddy's, and I guarantee you that you will be able to find another hot guy with reviews from trusted reviewers and there will be no risk of getting arrested... This is REALLY SO EASY!

[Guest FTLdude]

Dear FTLdude,

 

It is a very old thing asking: Are you a cop? C'mon that's the 21st century... You will never find out that way... By the way... If you are a high profile person as you make it sound like and a possible arrest might break your career into half then WHY ON EARTH would you risk that just because somebody who has a really hot picture posted on ONE website with no reviews and without anyone knowing ANYTHING about that guy... Go to daddy's, and I guarantee you that you will be able to find another hot guy with reviews from trusted reviewers and there will be no risk of getting arrested... This is REALLY SO EASY!

 

ftldude - hire a Daddy's Reviewed escort - it's the easiest and safest way. If an arrest automatically puts your license and livelihood in jeopardy, you cannot afford to hire less than the best. The BEST are Daddy's Reviews escorts.

 

Safe, yes, but not so easy. Daddy's reviews is a great source of info. What I have found though is that most guys in my area with current ads don't have reviews on there. And none of the guys I'm interested in have reviews on there. There were a few that looked promising, but the reviews aren't recent and those guys are either no longer active or have relocated to other areas. As for the available ones, seems like its either one thing or another...i.e. pretty muscle boys who don't kiss or bottom, pretty boys who don't have much muscles, muscle vers/bottoms who aren't that pretty... I like to play with athletic dudes who have big bubble butts.

 

Thanks to everybody for the comments. I can see I'm going to have to put a bit more effort into this.

[instudiocity]

Safe, yes, but not so easy. Daddy's reviews is a great source of info. What I have found though is that most guys in my area with current ads don't have reviews on there. And none of the guys I'm interested in have reviews on there. There were a few that looked promising, but the reviews aren't recent and those guys are either no longer active or have relocated to other areas. As for the available ones, seems like its either one thing or another...i.e. pretty muscle boys who don't kiss or bottom, pretty boys who don't have much muscles, muscle vers/bottoms who aren't that pretty... I like to play with athletic dudes who have big bubble butts.

 

Thanks to everybody for the comments. I can see I'm going to have to put a bit more effort into this.

 

Where are you? By your screenname, I'd guess Ft Lauderdale. Home of Brandon Steele?

[Guest FTLdude]

Where are you? By your screenname, I'd guess Ft Lauderdale. Home of Brandon Steele?

 

 

Not actually in Fort Lauderdale, a bit further out west. Re Brandon Steele. Interesting you mentioned this dude. He was the first one that caught my attention on the Rentboy site. I like his look. Reminds me of somebody I had a serious thing with a while ago. But he's what I was talking about in the previous post. Gets awesome reviews from everybody, nice face, nice body...but he doesn't bottom.

[josephga]

oh another thing. There's an old myth that if you ask a person if they are a cop they must tell you so. Totally false the police can lie and will. asking are you a cop and getting the truth are only in the movies.

[Guest FTLdude]

oh another thing. There's an old myth that if you ask a person if they are a cop they must tell you so. Totally false the police can lie and will. asking are you a cop and getting the truth are only in the movies.

 

So, if the cops can lie and do whatever they want, at what point does it become entrapment then?

[instudiocity]

So, if the cops can lie and do whatever they want, at what point does it become entrapment then?

 

When you pay a lawyer and make an argument that you were entrapped and the judge agrees with you. Cops have plenipotentiary powers of arrest. You have to go to court to make them prove you're guilty. Entrapment can be an extenuating circumstance in the case.