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Baron,

I don't disagree with your comments if a woman is searching for a marriage partner. My comment was meant to refer to her wants when looking for a short term sex partner. When it is only about the sex (not looking for romance), size matters for many women. Whilst I am gay, I am familiar and involved with the male/female swinger scene.....the subset when a couple is looking for another man to be involved with them sexually. I have witnessed many times when a perfectly handsome man is turned down for not being up to size. The couple almost always opt for the big equipment guys.

 

The women on the swinger scene are not a representative sample of women as a whole.

 

Mikey, your comments regarding discretion are well taken. Some women don't want to be known as "easy" so would prefer to have sex with someone won't tell. But this could easily be done by going to a hotel and having sex with visitors to the city who don't know the woman's crowd. I'm sure your clients are plenty desirable. But all other things being equal, it's a lot harder for a man to get casual sex than for a woman to do so.

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Fluffy- hey! exactly! which is why as I said at the beginning of the thread that only 5% of my clients were women. Of that 5% most are married. They do not trust guys to be discrete except for guys they hire. Guys (like women) tend to get caught up emotionally with a women if the sex is good. Meaning they call, text, send flowers, brag about their conquests. Dudes, just like ladies, cannot keep theri mouths shut. When you meet a woman who has not had good sex in a while it is ALWAYS good. My female clients would rather hire than take a chance. To address another comment: with me YES there is a GUARANTEE not just an expectation of discretion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That is the PRIME DIRECTIVE IN MY BUSINESSS! As far as Barons' comment on wallet size: well, I will bow to your experience and wisdom regarding wives and ex-wives but I will tell you this from my vast experience- these rich women who are spending their men into poverty are paying male escorts with big dicks like me WHILE they are married and the men are cluelesss that it is going on. My lady clients have the best of both worlds: their husbands big wallet and my big dick! Now those are lucky chicks no doubt. If I were a wealthy or even a successful husband I would have my wife followed by a private investigator so when she files for divorce the truth will come out. Just a thought

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The only REAL size that women look for in men, is WALLET SIZE. Believe me. I am 50 years old and have been married three times (so far). I 'know' ...

 

 

I have to agree with Baron. Most women actually get turned on by wealth the same way men, gay or straight, get turned on by looks. It seems that, if anything, women are more likely to cheat on poor husbands than rich ones (though it happens to both groups).

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Fluffy,

I guess I just don't see it. Women that are looking for a NSA sex encounter prefer to find someone with wealth......but not necessarily looks or size? Hard for me to understand. Oh well. At least Rihanna agrees with me.

 

Rihanna to Bravo magazine:

 

"He has to be good in bed and the size matters. You know what I mean? The inner beauty counts as well. but without a toy, it doesn't make it fun. Right now I don't want to have a serious relationship. I just want to have fun."

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As far as Barons' comment on wallet size: well, I will bow to your experience and wisdom regarding wives and ex-wives but I will tell you this from my vast experience- these rich women who are spending their men into poverty are paying male escorts with big dicks like me WHILE they are married and the men are cluelesss that it is going on. My lady clients have the best of both worlds: their husbands big wallet and my big dick! Now those are lucky chicks no doubt. If I were a wealthy or even a successful husband I would have my wife followed by a private investigator so when she files for divorce the truth will come out. Just a thought

 

I agree with you 100%. The problem that married rich women have is that they seem to have a hard time being subtle about their playmates. It can be the 'personal trainer', the 'tennis pro', the 'ski instructor', the 'polo player' ... hell, why not even the polo ponies themselves? The rich guys I know tend to tolerate it a bit, because it keeps their wives off THEIR back. As long as it's covered up in a thin veneer of 'respectability'. And sure, documenting it through a private investigator is a MUST. Just be vigilant about that mikey9nola ...

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Fluffy- hey! exactly! which is why as I said at the beginning of the thread that only 5% of my clients were women. Of that 5% most are married. They do not trust guys to be discrete except for guys they hire. Guys (like women) tend to get caught up emotionally with a women if the sex is good. Meaning they call, text, send flowers, brag about their conquests. Dudes, just like ladies, cannot keep theri mouths shut. When you meet a woman who has not had good sex in a while it is ALWAYS good. My female clients would rather hire than take a chance. To address another comment: with me YES there is a GUARANTEE not just an expectation of discretion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That is the PRIME DIRECTIVE IN MY BUSINESSS! As far as Barons' comment on wallet size: well, I will bow to your experience and wisdom regarding wives and ex-wives but I will tell you this from my vast experience- these rich women who are spending their men into poverty are paying male escorts with big dicks like me WHILE they are married and the men are cluelesss that it is going on. My lady clients have the best of both worlds: their husbands big wallet and my big dick! Now those are lucky chicks no doubt. If I were a wealthy or even a successful husband I would have my wife followed by a private investigator so when she files for divorce the truth will come out. Just a thought

 

Careful what you project Mikey - I am not a lawyer - But I do NOT

 

believe that your Home State - is a NO FAULT Divorce State.

 

 

That Means "grounds" are required. If that is the case that Private Investigator is there to provide

 

evidence for Big Wallet Daddy to use against his trampy/unfaithful wife - to lessen his divorce settlement costs.

 

 

If that is the case you could be called as a witness and made to testify and in some States you could even be named

 

as a Respondent in the Divorce action for "Alienation of Affection", and monetary damages sought from YOU!

 

 

You might want to fck a divorce lawyer and get the lowdown on potential liability during the post pounding glow.

 

 

There is a need to be SAFE in more than one way! Holiday Blessings on your head - Both of Them!

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To the other poster who indicated that women are not looking for "size" in a man.........um.....wrong. Is "size" the only quality or criteria they use in choosing a partner? Of course not. But it is without a doubt a factor for many women. Just as it is a factor for many gay men as well.

Yeah, but a wonderful size for a woman is a tuna can. For a gay man, a zucchini... maybe a gourd?

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an additional thought: a few of my lady clients are wealthy of their own making and are thus not dependent upon any man to support them. When they want to be fucked good by a muscle stud they don't want to wait or play the games so they call. As far as the investigators are concerned there is a way to deal with that. Ladies NEVER hire at home. They always come to my place or meet at a hotel (in the room never in the lobby) Therefore there is no evidence that sex took place and no photos or video. Women also never request the session be videoed. Once behind closed doors all that anyone can prove was that she was THERE and since I am both a liscenced massage therapist and a certified personal trainer she has every right to be there. Ladies also do not get graphic or talk details on the phone. They just book a massage because they know from the pics what I look like and what I do. Thanks for all the great posts everyone

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Thats what I'd like to know...

 

Call me a skeptic, and I'm not hating or anything...but when I talk to my female escort acquientences they pretty much scoff at the idea of it. I'd imagine most women would not be out to pay for something that could probably come relatively easy for them.

 

Whether or not I'm having sex with women is 1 thing, but personally I couldn't live with myself knowing a woman chose to pay me for it. I know women pay for stuff all the time, in relationships etc., but thats another subject.

 

I also find it hard to believe that women are running to hire someone based on a big dick...I would imagine that other qualities would be more important, no?

 

That's because you're thinking of "women" in terms of gorgeous sex kittens that every straight and bi guy is chasing after to get a piece of ass. Straight women aren't that different from gay men in terms of their perception of male beauty. They are just as attracted to handsome faces, masculinity, athletic bodies, big dicks, and bubble butts. Its just that most of them aren't as vocal about it because such vulgarity wouldn't be very ladylike. But, the average American woman is not a gorgeous sex kitten. In fact, she's more likely to be plain looking and a bit overweight. And many of them try to cover up with makeup and layers of clothing that hide their figure. I'm not saying this to be judgmental but to provide an example. The atypical jocks with handsome faces, hot bodies, and big dicks (as many escorts are) aren't lining up to screw these women for free because they don't need to. They get their pick of hot chicks (or other hot guys) who are chasing after them. And why should they give it away if they can sell it?

 

It may be easy as you say for most women in general to get some...because there's no shortage of horny men out there just looking for a quick get off, and sometimes anyone at all will do. But, if a woman has a choice between a so-so looking guy with an average dick or a really hot guy with a big one, who do you think she'd choose? I suppose in some cases it would depend on the woman, the type of man she wants to screw her, and how badly she wants that particular type of man to screw her. If a woman wants a seriously smokin' hot dude with a big dick to have sex with her, unless she's pretty hot enough herself to attract attention from this particular type of man, the only way she's going to get that dick is to pay for it.

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You're damned if you do and damned if you don't in terms of disclosure, but it depends how you handle it. If you don't say anything about it beforehand but a male client asks you if you see women, he may be turned on if you confide that you see some women but he could just as easily be turned off. You can't please everyone, so will have to accept that for those that are OK or turned on by it, you may lose some who don't like it. I'd see it as being similar to if they ask you if you have a boyfriend... do you tell them the truth, or what you think they want to hear?

 

On the other hand if saying you see women and couples is mentioned in your marketing, that's part of your persona that you're putting out there. That's different than if someone just happens to ask by chance. The way you describe it, it sounds like you've found a niche of guys who like the idea that you see some women or m/f couples from time to time, so if it works for you it works.

 

I think there may be some women who would hire a male escort for the same reasons many guys do who would otherwise be able to get laid for free: they want to order what they want, when they want it, on their terms. Also, although it's easy enough for a woman to find a willing guy for free in the hotel bar or wherever, I'd think there would always be the fear that things would go sour with a stranger and might get unsafe. With a professional escort, there would at least be an expectation that the experience is controlled and safe and on her terms. And then the guy won't call her and bug her at work afterwards!

 

Having said that, I'd be surprised if a woman called me for an appointment. The closest I got was with a m/f couple who wanted to experiment and play out a fantasy, but then the guy got cold feet.

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Hiring an escort is part of a fantasy. I think that for an escort telling in advance to the client (or potential client) his bisexual/married/gay/straight status is irrelevant and perhaps a mistake.

 

When I recently wanted to hire Mikey9nola while we both were in Florida he sent me an email saying that he would have been happy to fuck me because "his girlfriend wasn't around" (...) and he would have been even hornier than usual. I understand that it was part of a policy to supposedly make the potential client (me) feel even more "special", but I found that a useless piece of information (not requested, by the way) that actually in my case made me less interested in meeting him.

 

So Mikey, my suggestion is also "let the client ask for infos if he/she wants, and do't anticipate them!" :)

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About 5% of my business is married couples (male/female) and another 5% is women (most are married, a couple are single). while I am gay and have a boyfriend my dick actually likes pussy. I get really hard for women but I cannot cum which makes my staying power awesome which is why they hire me. Well, I mean, that and the size I bring to the table. The female clients say they are not threatened by me and that they actully like that I am gay and taken. Many of my gay friends and even other escorts think that I am some kind of traitor or sell out for seeing chicks professionally. My best escort friend (who women fucking DROOL over) has tried to book them but he can't keep it up and actually vomited on a lady. I am new to the forum and this may have been adressed previously but I cannot find any info on it. I find that my lady clients are EXTREMELY generous and are very appreciative of my time and talents. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

 

I have never seen female clients. When I lived in Asheville, I would get a few drunk SC guys call me about messing around with his girlfriend and him. I never accept appointments if I feel they are too intoxicated so it never happened. I only advertise on gay sites so it is an unlikely possibility that I would get a female client.

 

But I do know a former escort that is gay (or mostly gay) that actually worked for women. He was well-known in the gay community and couldn't let the prudish ones find out about his escorting so he advertised in the least likely place they would look - male escorts for women. He actually had sex less often with them but learned everything about gambling and casinos from his time with them. He did mention that with women the escort had to be approachable. This former-escort friend said he preferred working for women because there was less sex, less demand on performance, and the fantasy he offered to them was a slow, romantic courtship over several multi-hour appointments. With his male clients, it was all about meeting their sexual demands in an hour. He never told me how many female clients he had but they did take up most of his time because they paid and treated him better than his male clients who only wanted sex.

 

I don't think I will ever be able to deal with one-on-one with women because I don't deal with women in my personal life. I'm not 100 percent gay but I might as well be. Whereas I can find a way to turn up the heat with almost any type of man once I'm comfortable with him, I have to have a specific type of woman to spark any romantic or sexual interest.

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about 20 to 25% of my clients are female. i would say roughly half of them have a man with them in the appointment - boyfriend, husband, fiancee, or fuck buddy.

 

i actively advertise towards women. i do this because i am bi, and genuinely enjoy females and males equally - although in different ways. well, the fact is i enjoy people in different ways, so what i might want to do with one man may be very different than what i want to do with another. but back to pussy...

 

when i first started advertising, i thought i would get women who were in their 50s and 60s. i thought i would get overweight or unattractive women. oh, how ignorant i was! and working off of societal stereotypes! my female clients have ranged in age from 21 to about 52, or 54. most of them are in their 30s and 40s. many of them are quite beautiful, and many of them are in shape.

 

i used to have those stereotypes, about who would hire - and why. but that was when i had just begun escorting, and really didn't know much about it. i’ve learned many things from this amazing episode in my life, and one of them is that stereotypes attached to escorting are usually completely off. in fact, the more experience i have escorting, the harder i find it to generalize about the industry.

 

i’ve had couples where the woman wanted to watch me fuck her guy; where the guy wanted to watch me fuck his girl; where they wanted us all to play mutually; and where they both wanted me to fuck them... sometimes even side by side. i’ve also had lesbian couples who wanted to bring some dick into their fun.

 

i’ve had women who would only see me in my place, women who would only see me in a hotel, and women who would only have me come to them.

 

although most women are more reserved about discussing activities before their appointments, i’ve had enough emails and phone calls from women who've described what they wanted in detail, to know that there are women who do that stuff, too.

 

and why do women hire? for discretion, sure. but i’ve also had women who hire me so they can go back to their husband and tell him about it. and many other reasons... because they haven't had sex in years, because they want a bigger dick than their guys at home have, because they want a skilled lover, because they want to explore some kink, because they're in between relationships and don’t want to deny themselves physical pleasure, because they want a man’s touch (rough or tender), because it's convenient; hell, i’ve even had women hire me because they think their bodies aren't normal!

 

two come to mind on that: one was 22 years old, she was fukkin' GORGEOUS to me - tan, athletic, really cute face, great tits, and her toenails were painted in some way that really turned me on. and - she was sweet. but eventually she told me... even though she had a boyfriend, and had regular sex with him, she didn't think she had a clit. she hired me to find her clit!

 

the other one who was concerned about her body had a more serious situation. she was 34 years old, a dancer, very pretty, long brown hair... she had been in a relationship with a guy for several years before seeing me, and this guy did some fucked up things to her in terms of control and abuse. when she was about to come during their sex, he would tell her she couldn't - somehow he controlled her like that. she developed a very unhealthy issue around coming - or rather, she lost her ability to come - and she hired me, figuring that a male escort could help her. i couldn't, although i tried hard ;) but it was clear to me that her problem was deeper - deeper than my cock could go. we later talked about it and i suggested she explore other avenues, like therapy, for that. selfishly i would have loved to keep seeing her, but i knew it was not the right thing to do.

 

i’d like to suggest that we all be careful not to stereotype women who hire. as anyone who’s read the forum for a while - or worked as an escort knows - there are MANY reasons why men hire, LOTS of different things they like to do with their escorts, and a WIDE VARIETY of men who hire:

gay, straight, bi, or curious;

married or partnered, single, girlfriended or boyfriended, or poly;

large, twinky, muscled, or athletic;

young, middle-aged, senior, or elderly;

handsome, average, or not-so-hot;

nice guys, nervous men, or total assholes;

well-tipping, frugal, or money game-players;

vanilla interests, kink players, fetish men, or adventurous explorers;

pro-athletes, the physically challenged, or amputees;

guys who want you to enjoy yourself, or guys who only want to get off;

men who objectify you, men who want to get to know you as a friend, or men who fall for you;

...and the list goes on.

 

i think a multitude of categories also exists for women.

 

(speaking of young and elderly... of all my ‘scort buddies, i think i’ve got the largest span in client’s ages!)

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Thanks Dave! We have obviously very similar experiences. I have found that I need to shut up about the women though because so many on here are obviously upset by it.My purpose is to please clients- not offend them so my apologilies to the potential client in Florida. For the record I do not currently now have a girlfriend and am very happy with my boyfriend. Dave, Do you lose any gay clients because of the high percentage of women you see.? 25% is high. My percentage is only 5. I am just not going to say anything about it from now on unless a client directly and specifically asks me about it. My trouble is that I am too God Damn honest? ?.........same thing with the b.f.- unless asked directly let them think i am single. The only problem there is that many of the clients see you as a potential boyfriend and unless they know you are taken they will sometimes develop romantic feelings. I have always thouhgt it better for them to know these things up front as two honest adults but the general concensus is for us escorts to do as pga tour caddies are instructed to do: 1. show up on time . 2. shut up unless asked to speak. 3. KEEP IT UP! Later guys.........

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Mikey,

You have nothing to apologize for. Honesty is always the best policy. Will some male clients be upset that you see women? Yes! Will others (like me) be turned on by it? Yes! You cannot please everyone all the time. I think too many escorts try to do that. Stick to your core strengths that give you a competitive advantage.....and run with it.

 

I go for the very masculine, total top type guys......and when it comes down to it......there really are not many of them around. Trust me, I travel the world looking for it. I go only with very masculine dudes that have sex with men and women.

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Dave, thanks for the very insigthful article on your life and experiences. It was well written and funny too! (even though she had a boyfriend, and had regular sex with him, she didn't think she had a clit. she hired me to find her clit!)OMG! I have never, ever hired an escort, ever! Not that I havent wanted to, I have actually. But what has stopped me is this. Most of the escorts I like tend to be white, I am black and I wonder how many escorts have black clients or even want minority clients or even see minority clients(I know I am making assumptions here that may not be true but I want to be honest). Now if I can toot my own horn for a bit. I am not a bad looking guy at all. I am fit, in very good shape with a strong muscular build and have been "blessed" both front and back!(grin) Now, for some reason I have no issues with hiring a masseur who is a different race but who escorts on the side, none at all. My feeling is the masseus probably see's all kinds and all types and race is less a factor. But I think the biggest reason is I am hiring him for massage not necessarily sex. And when the massage session turns into a sex session(which happens alot I must admit)its more a mutual thing, chemistry, attaction, etc. etc. rather then something that is to be expected if that makes sense. Of course I could simply say I am a black male do you have any issues with that? And of course some would become offended but I dont know how to bring it up any other way. Like someone said earlier honesty is the best policy.

 

Peace..terpmaniac

 

GO TERPS!

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Dave, thanks for the very insigthful article on your life and experiences. It was well written and funny too! (even though she had a boyfriend, and had regular sex with him, she didn't think she had a clit. she hired me to find her clit!)OMG! I have never, ever hired an escort, ever! Not that I havent wanted to, I have actually. But what has stopped me is this. Most of the escorts I like tend to be white, I am black and I wonder how many escorts have black clients or even want minority clients or even see minority clients(I know I am making assumptions here that may not be true but I want to be honest). Now if I can toot my own horn for a bit. I am not a bad looking guy at all. I am fit, in very good shape with a strong muscular build and have been "blessed" both front and back!(grin) Now, for some reason I have no issues with hiring a masseur who is a different race but who escorts on the side, none at all. My feeling is the masseus probably see's all kinds and all types and race is less a factor. But I think the biggest reason is I am hiring him for massage not necessarily sex. And when the massage session turns into a sex session(which happens alot I must admit)its more a mutual thing, chemistry, attaction, etc. etc. rather then something that is to be expected if that makes sense. Of course I could simply say I am a black male do you have any issues with that? And of course some would become offended but I dont know how to bring it up any other way. Like someone said earlier honesty is the best policy.

 

Peace..terpmaniac

 

GO TERPS!

 

Terp,

 

You are black and "hot", I am white and "NOT". Maybe I'm naive, but I really think that we are past that black/white thing. I'm sure that there are many escorts out there that that would much rather see a hot black man than a non-hottie like me. :)

 

Further, if you find some ignorant escort who has a concern about your skin color, then you're better off passing anyway. I just don't think you should be concerned about your skin color when engaging an escort.

 

Good Luck!

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I could simply say I am a black male do you have any issues with that? And of course some would become offended but I dont know how to bring it up any other way.

 

GO TERPS!

 

 

This would probably have been a good question @ the escorts in its own thread. Would be interesting to see the responses. I've checkd out most of the ads in my local area, and if I recall correctly, there was only one who actually mentioned that he doesn't book with clients of a certain ethnicity. I think your question is a perfectly reasonably one. After all, escorts are people who have their preferences and opinions about things just like anybody else. This is business, but if the escort is so hung up on ethnicity, weight, age, etc. that it affects his ability to perform then the client will not have a good experience. And which client wants to pay for that? There was one post in another thread where someone mentioned an escort who had no problems at all with a client who is obese but wouldn't go anywhere near a client with an uncut dick. This is the reason I give an accurate description of myself when I talk to them on the phone. They're either interested or they're not. And if they're not interested, its no big deal. Just call somebody else.

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I GLADLY see black clients and enjoy it. However, in all honesty, I must tell you that MOST other escorts I know do not see them. Predudice runs DEEP in this country and this is a sad and tragic reality! OneFinal point here: as an escort I am not with a client because I am attracted to him as only about 10% of my clients are hot to my standards. My dick, however, gets and stays rock hard for the other 90% .....why? BECAUSE I AM A PRO! I prefer cut but I see uncut guys. I prefer a full head of hair but I happily see bald guys. All my boyfriends have happened to be white but over the years I have had 100 or so Really good black clients with whom the sex has been amazingly off the charts. A real pro can see any client as long as they are CLEAN, well-groomed, nice , friendly, sober and respectful. Finally, when training a young apprentice escort I always send him out to a 300 plus pounder. A true escort can dazzle a big guy and for that hour make that big guy feel like he is Ryan Phillipe because the hot escort is Hard and stays hard! That is how you tell if a guy has the gift to be a leading male escort. I have made an incredible living doing this.....

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not offend them so my apologilies to the potential client in Florida. .

 

Apologies accepted, even if the potential client was not offended at all. :)

It was just a piece of information that you gave to him and that perhaps could have been avoided unless requested.

 

By the way, the fact that the potential client didn't eventually become a real client was due to your decision to cancel it at the last moment, not replying anymore to his calls or text messages even if the night before it was planned by the two of you to meet at your place mid morning after.

Not big deal. It happens. And definitely for a client who remained "potential" I am sure you still have many more who became and are real.

Peace.

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I GLADLY see black clients and enjoy it. However, in all honesty, I must tell you that MOST other escorts I know do not see them... as an escort I am not with a client because I am attracted to him...

 

Kudos to you Mikey for your candor and your awesome attitude towards your clients. It was only after reading your post that I really understood what Terpmaniac was saying in his.

 

I noticed that some of the ads I've seen (i.e. Brandan Steele in Fort Lauderdale, Russo in Miami, and, of course, Mikey9nola in New Orleans) purposefully clarify that they don't discriminate based on the clients' age or physical appearance. For a while, I wondered why they felt it necessary to put this in their ads since most escort ads don't mention this stuff at all. But, it makes sense to include a non-discrimination statement (if, in fact, you are an escort who does not discriminate). With this language included, prospective clients won't need to be unduly apprehensive about calling you just because they don't exactly resemble the gay porn star stereotype.

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However, in all honesty, I must tell you that MOST other escorts I know do not see them. Predudice runs DEEP in this country and this is a sad and tragic reality!

 

Maybe this is a regional thing, but I know quite a few escorts here in the San Francisco area and this statement is not accurate of the people I know. If you're going to be in the business, you are going to see a wide range of clients. From my perspective, that keep the experience interesting.

 

Terp, I see you're based in Baltimore with visits to NYC... I can assure you given the diversity of the population in those areas, that the escorts in those markets are accustomed to seeing black men and it should not be an issue. As others have mentioned, if you're concerned you can causally mention it in correspondence that you're a black guy of such-and-such age, etc., but I'd expect most escorts won't have any issues whatsoever. IMO, if in his ads an escort mentions any kind of preference for what the client should look like, or subsequently asks you what you look like before you meet, I'd see that as a red flag that he's unprofessional and probably a jerk.

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